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Brees reiterates that NFL has provided “no meaningful evidence” of bounties

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Saints quarterback Drew Brees, whose initial statement regarding the Saints’ bounty system provided somewhat of a safe harbor by denying knowledge of the “real existence” of a bounty system, has since taken a more unequivocal stance.

Brees said last week that “what we’ve been accused of in regards to pay for injury is not the case.”  On Monday, after attending a meeting between NFLPA representatives and the NFL, Brees explained that the league has not yet shown that a bounty system existed.

We didn’t get any meaningful evidence, or any meaningful truth or facts,” Brees said, according to Albert Breer of NFL Network.

Many fans have responded to Brees’ claims with a high degree of skepticism, given that he has a clear and direct interest in proving that there was no bounty system.  Not only would such a finding ensure that the Saints will have a full complement of defensive leaders like linebacker Jonathan Vilma in 2012, but it also would block the application of an unofficial asterisk to the team’s Super Bowl win in 2009.

For that reason, the NFLPA should have considered keeping Brees and former Saints linebacker Scott Fujita away from the process of negotiating with the NFL — or at a minimum away from becoming the face or voice of the union’s position.  Indeed, having Brees address the effort on behalf of all players potentially undermines the NFLPA’s position by tying it to the Saints’ obvious, knee-jerk interest in minimizing the punishment and/or the stigma.

To the extent that the NFLPA hopes to separate Brees’ role as a member of the Saints and his involvement in the talks as a member of the NFLPA Executive Committee, new NFLPA president Domonique Foxworth wasn’t as convincing as he could have been.  “It’s mostly coincidental that Drew and Scott are here, they’re also Executive Committee members, so they’re here to serve their duties as executive committee members, not necessarily as members of the Saints,” Foxworth said, per Breer.  “Obviously Drew is, and Scott was a member of the Saints, that’s true. But their capacity here is as Executive Committee members.”

Thus, Brees, the Saints, and the NFLPA would be better off by making the lines even more clear, allowing Brees to avoid an obvious conflict of interest arising from his desire to keep his team competitive and his Super Bowl ring legitimate, and his duty to protect the players who were targeted by any bounties.

As a result, the best players to involve in the discussions between the union and the league would be men who were actually in the crosshairs of former Saints defensive coordinator Gregg Williams, like Packers quarterback Aaron Rodgers, Panthers quarterback Cam Newton, 49ers quarterback Alex Smith, 49ers running back Frank Gore, 49ers receiver Michael Crabtree, and/or 49ers receive Kyle Williams.  If/when one of those men declares publicly that there’s no evidence of a bounty system, fans will regard their words with a far greater degree of credibility.

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266 Responses to “Brees reiterates that NFL has provided “no meaningful evidence” of bounties”
  1. deadeye says: Apr 16, 2012 6:34 PM

    Brees is an ass.

    If there was no meaningful evidence, then what did Payton apologize for?

  2. packhawk04 says: Apr 16, 2012 6:36 PM

    Why is brees so stupid? Are admissions not enough evidence for him?

  3. sbxxix says: Apr 16, 2012 6:36 PM

    Are you kidding me!!! What’s wrong with Brees. It seems like there was a bounty on this guy’s head with all these stupid comments he keeps making. I never expected this out of Brees.

  4. blizzard01 says: Apr 16, 2012 6:36 PM

    Brees should quit football in protest and never play again. That would show ‘em.

    He should also tell Greg Williams there’s no evidence- that would come as welcome news to the guy who didn’t even appeal his suspension.

  5. jenniferxxx says: Apr 16, 2012 6:37 PM

    Drew Brees keeps going down and down. For crying out loud … it happened … and you, the QB and leader of the team, knew all about it.

    Man up and shut up.

  6. packattack1967 says: Apr 16, 2012 6:37 PM

    JUDGE DREW WEEKDAYS AT 3:30

  7. ickky says: Apr 16, 2012 6:38 PM

    Drew, you are starting to look really, really bad.
    When Greg Williams admits to it, thats pretty much all you need to know.

  8. motobus says: Apr 16, 2012 6:38 PM

    There was certainly enough evidence to get Greg Williams to confess to it all.

  9. blacknole08 says: Apr 16, 2012 6:39 PM

    Has Brees heard those audiotapes? Quit playing dumb already.

  10. bangitfootball says: Apr 16, 2012 6:39 PM

    Hey Drew come back to reality. Denile is not a river in Eqypt.

  11. patsfan22 says: Apr 16, 2012 6:39 PM

    I think he’s still looking for an explanation!

  12. ejmat2 says: Apr 16, 2012 6:39 PM

    Brees, just stick your other foot in your mouth now so you can stop spewing crap from it. Here’s your evidence. GREGG WILLIAMS ADMITTED IT WAS HAPPENING. Have you watched some replays? Have you heard some of the defensive player’s audio? What else do you need? Face it. IT HAPPENED! Whether you want to admit it or not.

  13. thegonz13 says: Apr 16, 2012 6:39 PM

    I guess the “explanation” he got was not that complete after all…

  14. thereisfootballwestofjersey says: Apr 16, 2012 6:39 PM

    Isn’t having Greg Williams on tape talking about taking out Crabtree’s ACL and “Affecting the Head” of Frank Gore good enough evidence?

    It is for me. Brees – shut your pie hole!

  15. garyman1 says: Apr 16, 2012 6:39 PM

    Jesus Bree’s…. do you actually think you are going to change public opinion after all we have heard and learned ?
    Do you ever talk to your kids about accountability ?

  16. jwayne111 says: Apr 16, 2012 6:39 PM

    So when Sean and Vitt released a statement taking “full responsibility”, they were talking about a non-existent bounty program(?)

  17. bearsstillsuck says: Apr 16, 2012 6:41 PM

    It is far too late to block that unofficial asterisk. The case in the court of public opinion has been closed.

  18. moagecu says: Apr 16, 2012 6:41 PM

    Stop talking!

  19. eballa1 says: Apr 16, 2012 6:42 PM

    Officially or unofficially, there is no asterisk on the Saints Super Bowl victory. They won. Deal with it.

  20. mattolikesthevikes says: Apr 16, 2012 6:42 PM

    I think the evidence was your coach taking “full responsibility” for what happened.

  21. mempusa says: Apr 16, 2012 6:42 PM

    Drew Brees has gone from one of my most respected players in the NFL to one of the least. I think he’s become nothing but a whiney selfish b!tch.

  22. mark0226 says: Apr 16, 2012 6:42 PM

    Let me understand your position. Brees should recuse himself because he is biased. And, instead of Brees, someone that was presumed to be a target should go because they are NOT biased?

  23. Max says: Apr 16, 2012 6:42 PM

    The league should not go after players. They have an office setup to review video and fine players for hits, if they did not catch illegal hits or unsafe hits when they occurred during past seasons then they should not fine those players now.

    If the NFL opens up this rabbit hole, how deep do they plan to go? How far back are they going to look, do they go beyond the Saints? What if players in the 90s say that they played with bounties, do they fine retired players, cut their pension etc.

    The league should worry about future events, not past event when looking at it from the players positions. They will open up a can of worms.

  24. koomatage says: Apr 16, 2012 6:42 PM

    “Brees reiterates that NFL has provided “no meaningful evidence” of bounties”

    Um no he didn’t. As a “journalist”, I’d think you’d understand this a bit more clearly: he’s maintaining that the league has no evidence of a pay-for-injury system. He’s not refuting the bounty allegations, he’s just stating that there is nothing to suggest that Saints players ever tried to injure players for monetary pats on the back.

    There was a bounty system. That’s blatantly obvious to everyone, and nobody has denied this. But to say that players were trying to go out there and hurt the opposition to get some cash is not as clear. That’s the key issue.

  25. kaveech says: Apr 16, 2012 6:44 PM

    Oh so Drew didn’t hear William’s audio about continually bashing Frank Gore’s head in or let’s test go after Crabtree’s ACL to see if he’s human. Cause those weren’t that meaningful. I mean I think coaches are trying to convince their players all the time that the illegal they’re doing is right, such as, “now we selected you for a reason” “we don’t question what we do here” “a distracted mind is a weak mind”. I’m really beginning to not like Brees and I was his biggest fan since watching him play at Purdue. He’s too smart to bring this topic up. You did it, now pay for it and shut up!

  26. nyyjetsknicks says: Apr 16, 2012 6:45 PM

    And you hicks wonder why people in the NE and WC say you’re stupid.

  27. teal379 says: Apr 16, 2012 6:45 PM

    Drew – I know as an athlete you have an ego but believe it or not, there are people out there MUCH smarter than you and they’re not buying your schtick.

    Gregg Williams did NOT admit to the bounty deal and decline to appeal because there wasn’t any proof he was involved or ran the thing.

    Quit insulting our intelligence.

  28. pedroherce says: Apr 16, 2012 6:45 PM

    This is getting ugly, and I love it.

  29. kingfish4242 says: Apr 16, 2012 6:45 PM

    Once again, there will be no * on the Saints Lombardi. The image is tarnished,but not the trophy. Gregg Williams will never coach in the league again. Time to move on.

  30. chadgoy says: Apr 16, 2012 6:46 PM

    Does Drew Brees family have a lot of money in oil? That’s how alot of people in the oil industry are. Even when facts about the Bountys (and an audio tape) are out there, he still challenges that no harm was done and “where’s the proof”. Drew Brees, you sir are not entitled to have a sit down for your understanding, obviously Payton told you he didn’t do it, and even with the facts out there, you can’t digest that your team did wrong. You think that all those Suspensions/fines/loss of draft picks is for nothing? On an assumption? Boo-urns Drew Brees. Boo-urns.

  31. howiefeltersnatch says: Apr 16, 2012 6:46 PM

    Holes 101: Quit diggin’

  32. mathomp3 says: Apr 16, 2012 6:46 PM

    Shut up Drew

  33. phillyphever says: Apr 16, 2012 6:47 PM

    Brees, just shut up before your whole body is covered in eggs.

  34. billybatty says: Apr 16, 2012 6:47 PM

    It’s obvious that Drew is setting himself up as an attorney for the NFLPA when he is done QB’n.

  35. tamvu says: Apr 16, 2012 6:47 PM

    hmm…shouldn’t it be the other way around? i.e: the NFL asking Brees to provide meaningful evidence of bounties?

    For real though, as if the official reports that are plastered everywhere not damning enough. The more he speaks, the stupider he looks.

  36. britishraven says: Apr 16, 2012 6:47 PM

    I thought Brees was one of the good guys in the league until this off season.

  37. skoobyfl says: Apr 16, 2012 6:48 PM

    After those GW tapes, I’d say it’s all out there & on the table. Is Drew even an NFL employee at this point, being he isn’t a signed player?

  38. chadgoy says: Apr 16, 2012 6:48 PM

    BTW: TAINTED SUPERBOWL!!!

  39. yssupasigninnamnotyep says: Apr 16, 2012 6:48 PM

    Brees just needs to shup up already…or else he is going to have a bounty (wink, wink) placed on him in every game this year.

  40. frojo112963 says: Apr 16, 2012 6:49 PM

    “Not only would such a finding ensure that the Saints will have a full complement of defensive leaders like linebacker Jonathan Vilma in 2012, but it also would block the application of an unofficial asterisk to the team’s Super Bowl win in 2009.”

    Good lord, stop the hatred already Florio! No one but you and some of the fans of other teams have even suggested an asterisk or stripping the Saints of the Superbowl title. The “bounty” scandal had absolutely no effect on the Saints winning the games that season, in the playoffs, or the Superbowl!

  41. bert1913 says: Apr 16, 2012 6:49 PM

    you “mean” audio is not enough proof?

  42. Pets to Go says: Apr 16, 2012 6:51 PM

    Wow–”No meaningful evidence?”

    Did they Practice giving concussions on Brees, or what?

  43. birdsofbmore says: Apr 16, 2012 6:52 PM

    Maybe Brees took too many bounty hits in practice.

    Idiot.

  44. 7ransponder says: Apr 16, 2012 6:53 PM

    With all that he’s been spewing this offseason, the Saints and Brees deserve everything that’s coming to them for discipline and potential problems with contract holdouts.

    Couldn’t be happening to a *nicer* bunch of fools, either (sarcasm).

  45. ickky says: Apr 16, 2012 6:53 PM

    2009 Superbowl Champions The New Orleans Saints*

  46. sdisme says: Apr 16, 2012 6:54 PM

    These people received the harshest penalties the NFL ever handed out and people are wrong to ask for evidence of something they say never happened?

  47. nashwaakkidd says: Apr 16, 2012 6:54 PM

    brees always seemed like such a classy guy before i heard this drivel. you’re just making yourself look stupid with comments like that… suppose you think oj was innocent too?

  48. robert831 says: Apr 16, 2012 6:54 PM

    Admission and apologies have already happend. Where has the once respected Brees been hiding?

    ban williams for life
    ban payton for life
    ban loomis for life
    ban vitt for life
    1-3 yr suspensions for all players involved
    loss of 3 first round picks (one for each yr)
    loss of 30 million in salary cap for 3 years (10 per\yr)

    * – on tainted superbowl

  49. armeniandelight4 says: Apr 16, 2012 6:54 PM

    Okay, Drew Brees…so this is the scenario. As part of Greg Williams’ game plan, he told his players to injure the other team. If the players comply with his orders, they are ‘doing their jobs’ and will keep their roster spots. If they do not, then they risk being cut. You’re telling me that this leverage and manipulation of power alone does not qualify as giving financial rewards for injuries? What more do you need to know?

  50. gotampabay52 says: Apr 16, 2012 6:55 PM

    Please Drew you were in the lockerroom. Just man up you were on a team that used bounty system to play harder like little kids that put gold sticker on a posterboard. Just shut up you look stupid just shut up who dat and learn to speak right. Hate new orleans and their fans only good thing in new orleans is their food.

  51. sdisme says: Apr 16, 2012 6:56 PM

    bert1913 says: Apr 16, 2012 6:49 PM

    you “mean” audio is not enough proof?

    The audio is despicable, but does it prove the players, Sean Payton or Mickey Loomis were involved in a bounty system?

  52. evangelcomes says: Apr 16, 2012 6:57 PM

    From Brees, to sharper, vilma and anyone else…if you are accused of character faults such as this and your response is; “well you can’t prove it”…that’s an indictment all by itself. I realize he’s a leader down there, but what kind of leader condones such behavior? Everyone involved is screaming “prove it”; while no one is outwardly denying its happening! Outrageous!! Brees, should be upset that the coaches thought so little of his ability that they resulted to criminal tactics. Good luck on your new contract, with what should be considered the worse franchise in professional sports history.

  53. cliffordc05 says: Apr 16, 2012 6:58 PM

    It is a shame that Drew Brees doesn’t agree with the evidence. He will be very disappointed in the penalties. As if anyone should give a damn what he thinks.

  54. footballfan292 says: Apr 16, 2012 7:00 PM

    Any respect New Orleans had of being a classy organization is now gone.

  55. jason1980 says: Apr 16, 2012 7:01 PM

    Same trolls whining about the powerhouse Saints. Bounty are no bounty, the superbowl passes throughout the Saints this year. Mark it on your calendars boys and girls!

  56. wisconsinvikingsfan says: Apr 16, 2012 7:01 PM

    The more this guy talks, maybe he should be banned for life too!

  57. preventoffense says: Apr 16, 2012 7:02 PM

    Pretty soon he will be telling us it depends on what the definition of is is.

  58. lnfinite says: Apr 16, 2012 7:05 PM

    So according to Brees, confessions, admittance and apologies are not meaningful evidence? I really hope someone tells Drew to shut up soon. The more he denies what he plainly knows the more opposing defenses will want to shut him up in another way. 2 wrongs do not make a right but just watch it happen.

  59. lks311 says: Apr 16, 2012 7:07 PM

    Use to be a big Brees fan, but, at this point he needs to just shut up. For a supposedly smart guy, he doesn’t get it. Law suits are coming into the league office on a daily basis and your guy got busted on tape talking about concussions and ACLs. You got be some kind of idiot to not see the Commissioner had no choice but lay the hammer down. Let’s move on.

  60. mdd913 says: Apr 16, 2012 7:07 PM

    sdisme says: Apr 16, 2012 6:54 PM

    These people received the harshest penalties the NFL ever handed out and people are wrong to ask for evidence of something they say never happened?

    ———————————————————————

    +1

    The content of Gregg Williams’ speech isn’t half as disturbing as the prevalence of completely ignorant people on this site. What a bunch of sheep.

  61. ghjjf says: Apr 16, 2012 7:09 PM

    Drew Brees is beginning to sound like OJ Simposon, when he would keep repeating that he was still looking for the real killer.

  62. thedetroitsportsfan says: Apr 16, 2012 7:09 PM

    since when are flat out admissions by people directly involved not considered substantial evidence. what do u think it means when reports state Williams is cooperating with the NFL, not to mention testimony from the so called whistle blower..

  63. vanmorrissey says: Apr 16, 2012 7:09 PM

    Good, then the next time his shoulder gets piled on and the screws pop out and he can’t throw anymore, I guess he can’t complain about a ‘bounty’ on his surgically repaired wing. No proof they were ‘targeting’ your shoulder now is there?

  64. beeronthefridge says: Apr 16, 2012 7:11 PM

    Brees should be penalized for engaging in a cover up of a criminal activity!

  65. cullenand99 says: Apr 16, 2012 7:12 PM

    WOW. I dont know if some of you people are stupid or blind. Brees NEVER denied that that the Saints were intentionally trying to take players out of the game . He said that their was not enough evidence shown to suggest that they were getting paid, which there isnt. Some people need to take out their preconceptions about the Saints and Brees and actually read what the article said. But no, all you idiots want to do is “2009 Super Bowl Champions- New Orleans Saints***” and chuckle about it like little girls without taking a glance at what is shown. The recording has NO proof that Gregg Williams or any Saints player paid people ot target specific people and body parts.

  66. jmcgoblue says: Apr 16, 2012 7:14 PM

    Well, at least we now know that Brees has what it takes to become a future congressman from Louisiana.

  67. bchapman2011 says: Apr 16, 2012 7:15 PM

    Brees is a great QB but he thinks way too highly of himself. I like how he said that he “needed” an explanation for the suspensions when they were first announced. Hey Drew the league and Roger Goodell do now owe you any explanation or clarification. You work for the league not the other way around buddy.

  68. soupkan says: Apr 16, 2012 7:15 PM

    The only question I usually hear from a Purdont grad is “do you want fries with that?”

  69. killitandeatit says: Apr 16, 2012 7:18 PM

    Sure Drew,sure. Just like the Iraqi spokesman : “all your base belong to us “. Drew ,you could pick up some river front property in Egypt. You know, that big river Da Nile.

  70. sfsaintsfan says: Apr 16, 2012 7:19 PM

    “If/when one of those men declares publicly that there’s no evidence of a bounty system, fans will regard their words with a far greater degree of credibility.”

    There is no evidence of a bounty system. Every play from every game was looked at. At no point over a three year player was a single player knocked out or injured as a result of an illegal hit by a Saints Defensive Player. Not One!

    The NFL has basically admitted there was no “bounty” on any players, because nobody ever got hit. There was “talk” and that is all. No action. A whole lot of talk and no action.

  71. zaggs says: Apr 16, 2012 7:25 PM

    And Brees has never introduced evidence he is intelligent.

  72. elmustardo says: Apr 16, 2012 7:25 PM

    “Take out the outside ACL”

    You’re welcome, Drew Brees.

  73. staugslugga says: Apr 16, 2012 7:25 PM

    Admission and apologies have already happend. Where has the once respected Brees been hiding?

    ban williams for life
    ban payton for life
    ban loomis for life
    ban vitt for life
    1-3 yr suspensions for all players involved
    loss of 3 first round picks (one for each yr)
    loss of 30 million in salary cap for 3 years (10 per\yr)

    * – on tainted superbowl
    ___________________________________

    How in the hell do 9 people like this? The credibility of anyone who comments on here (which includes me I guess) is way shot. Just be glad this douche can’t be the judge and jury in cases, so much for that whole innocent until proven guilty thing.

    Why hasn’t the NFL come right out with the evidence, if the evidence is so clear that it merits these retarded penalties?

  74. kacapaco says: Apr 16, 2012 7:26 PM

    I think Brees is becoming a jerk. What sort of evidence does he want more than the bosses confession that results such severe punishment? Does he think the coaches confessed the bounty cos it was cool? He is losing my respect for this stupid loyalty.

  75. vikesfansteve says: Apr 16, 2012 7:26 PM

    week 1 his knee gets taken out

  76. joelvis72 says: Apr 16, 2012 7:27 PM

    I am a Saints fan and have two things to say about this: Brees is starting to tick me off, and anyone who thinks an asterisk or some sort of “illegitimate” tag should be placed on their Super Bowl win is an idiot.

    Call me all the names you want, I don’t have anything to add and don’t feel like arguing.

  77. norvturnersneck says: Apr 16, 2012 7:31 PM

    Why isn’t Williams appealing then?

  78. maddogcraig77 says: Apr 16, 2012 7:32 PM

    brees – SHUT UP!! you sound like a fool – you don’t think men have been suspended that long for no reason do you – don’t tarnish your reputation with ignorant comments like that – sounds like yer kissin ass for a contract

  79. bucfandango says: Apr 16, 2012 7:33 PM

    Putting things in perspective.

  80. somatg3 says: Apr 16, 2012 7:34 PM

    Hahaha, Drew is such a moron! Why doesn’t his agent just tell him to shut up. the more he talks, the more fans dislike him. You mean evidence besides the fact that your D-Coordinator, coach and GM have already confessed and it being caught on tape? besides that you mean Drew?

  81. vikingamericann says: Apr 16, 2012 7:35 PM

    To all the asterisk people. Seriously!!! What do you think an asterisk will do. Let’s put an asterisk on Bush 43 presidency since he got less votes than Gore. (Al not Frank). Will that make him any less the president? Will that change any policy good or bad? Super Bowl XLIV Saints 31 Colts 17 no asterisks can change that. So as I have said before You have asterisks for testicles.

  82. massappeal12345 says: Apr 16, 2012 7:36 PM

    Is denial one of the Seven Deadly Sins?

  83. yojoemama says: Apr 16, 2012 7:36 PM

    Plain and simple: Brees is a big douche.

  84. vikingsfanintexas says: Apr 16, 2012 7:36 PM

    I agree Brees should face reality and quit running his mouth.

    I’ve been a Vikings fan since 1968 when they won their first division title and although I don’t like the thought of any team having a bounty to injure an opposing player the Saints shouldn’t have an * on their Super Bowl win.

    Face facts, the Vikings had way too many turnovers that weren’t caused by a bounty system being in place. The turnovers cost them the game not the multiple late hits and cheap shots they put on Favre.

    Having said that… the low hit from behind that hurt Favre’s ankle should have been called as a penalty. That would have wiped out an interception and perhaps the Vikings would have scored and won.

    As it was, despite the injury to Favre, the Vikings clearly out-played the Saints and it wasn’t even close. The turnovers kept the Saints in the game and multiple bad calls by the officials wrapped up a win.

    All you Vikings fans know what I’m talking about… so man up and admit the turnovers more than anything else cost the team a Super Bowl birth. Could Favre have played in the big game… probably so… and if he did, win or lose, it would have been fantastic because Super Bowl XI was a dang long time ago and I’m not getting any longer waiting for another shot!!

    For all you Vikings haters… shut the front door…

  85. sdisme says: Apr 16, 2012 7:36 PM

    mattolikesthevikes says: Apr 16, 2012 6:42 PM

    I think the evidence was your coach taking “full responsibility” for what happened.
    ——————————————————

    Find the statement and read it again. You missed something the first time.

  86. letmesetyoustraight says: Apr 16, 2012 7:38 PM

    Hey, Drew, we would all like to get a look at the “18000 documents and 50000 pages” of evidence, but regretfully it will never happen. It has probably already been destroyed like the Spygate “evidence” was. If Goodell says it happened, it happend dammit.

  87. thecrazyasianinseccountry says: Apr 16, 2012 7:38 PM

    And another thing,
    For all you idiots that keep repeating, ” I’ve lost all respect for….”
    Nobody care!!! So go back in your mom’s basement and continue sucking on your big toe you Nasty Little Hater!!!

  88. electionconfidential says: Apr 16, 2012 7:40 PM

    I can’t believe Brees and his reaction to all of this. He and Payton have behaved like they are somehow privileged. They show no remorse and no interest in anything beyond their narrow self interests… Brees can show up in New York to lobby for no player penalties, but he can’t show up to camp for workouts… I’ve totally changed the way I look at him.

  89. 2dmo4 says: Apr 16, 2012 7:42 PM

    Come on Drew…Payton apologized, you have multiple players coming forward admitting to it, and you have the audio of that asshat Gregg Williams talking about taking out Crabtree and Gore.

    Get real.

  90. shlort says: Apr 16, 2012 7:42 PM

    A few accusations, a few audio clips, a few video clips and the Saints should all the sudden be stripped of everything, including the New Orleans Franchise.

    I bet anything that this same evidence can be produced of any NFL team.

    Every team has a DC that gives passionate speeches. Every team has highlight reels of punishing hits just like we have seen produced for our viewing pleasure by the NFL.

    The only problem with this entire situation is that there was a fund for bonus monies. From everything I have heard, not one player took any money (could be wrong, but havent seen any names.).

    So, if these players didnt do it for the money, what is wrong with tackling someone hard? Havent seen any reports where anyones season or career was ended by any of this.

    I dont find it strange that football fans and esspecially PFT have a probleem with the Saints. After alll, they have been very successful for quite a few years. Hate is bred by success.

  91. genericuser8888 says: Apr 16, 2012 7:45 PM

    Drew’s statement makes perfect sense.

    Injuries = evidence.

    No injuries = The NFLPA claims that the players were not participating in the “pay for injury” bounty system.

    In 2009, there were NO cartoffs against the Saints.
    In 2012, after Greg Williams’ evil speech, there were NO penalties (and no 49er injuries?) in the 49ers/Saints playoff game.

    Drew works for the NFLPA. Their job is to defend the players. With ZERO cartoffs in 2009, there is almost no evidence that the players were participating in the bounty program in the way that Greg Williams directed them too. You can cite the Packers playoff game, but even there, most of the hits on Farve were legal.

  92. bountyboyzz504 says: Apr 16, 2012 7:45 PM

    we love the jealousy, keep bringing it! all of these whiny weak viqueen chumps still having menstrual periods over the saints kicking their azz in 2009 HAHAHAHA oh yes it is great to see and laugh at. don’t you viqueen losers have some prince music to listen too? nothing else but weak albino crybabies come from the viqueen state WAAAAAAAAAH WAAAAAAAAAAH

  93. bmue42 says: Apr 16, 2012 7:46 PM

    im a packers fan,and does anybody really not consider their super bowl win legit? bounty like systems have been around since the game was invented and they will continue into the future, theyll just be alot more discreet. the majority fans watch for violence, they could care less if someone is gettin a few g’s to hurt a key player something they would be trying to do anyways. the nfl needs to get off of its high horse realize their product is violent and promote it, why do you think the UFC has blown up in the past 10 years? the players get paid millions to hurt and get hurt, any player that didnt realize stepping on a football field could get you hurt, is a moron or their just lookin for a cash grab via lawsuit

  94. Spencer says: Apr 16, 2012 7:48 PM

    I’m honestly disappointed with how he’s handled this. I don’t expect him to throw his teammates and coaches under the bus, but I didn’t expect him to insult the basic intelligence of pretty much everyone except hardcore apologists with his denials, either.

  95. saints25 says: Apr 16, 2012 7:49 PM

    Thank Goodness for The NFLPA and Mr.Brees ..I told you dummies, that you’ll NEVER prove Intent .This Case is Closed !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  96. jmsieli says: Apr 16, 2012 7:51 PM

    In my business, I see alot of self proclaiming innocent people, they always want to see “the evidence”, whether it be civil or criminal, and in the end, after the verdict is read, they sream there was no evidence and their innocense, jails are full of those kind of people, it doesn’t bother me to hear Brees scream “where’s the evidence” what bothers me is he is a representive for the NFLPA and he suppose to look out for the best interest and saftey of all the players, not just his co-workers, I can’t believe the players union havn’t kicked his ass out of there.

  97. cardiffgiant11 says: Apr 16, 2012 7:53 PM

    That mole on his face must be a feather because he’s got a serious case of the ostrich syndrome

  98. bullcharger says: Apr 16, 2012 7:56 PM

    How about when Gregg Williams fully admitted to the bounty program to Goodell. I guess that was evidence.

  99. docboss says: Apr 16, 2012 7:57 PM

    If I am an attorney for the NFL or the plaintiffs in the concussion suits, I say “keep talking Drew”. If I am with the NFLPA, I say ” shut up Drew”. For those who say the Saint players are innocent because there was no obvious injury to Favre or others, please Google “assault”. A first year law student could win this case!

  100. cannonballdookie says: Apr 16, 2012 7:57 PM

    I’m getting VERY sick of Brees who’s basically been acting like a jerk all offseason long but I agree there is no hard evidence. NO evidence of payments and ZERO evidence of guys getting injured from dirty hits in Saints games.

  101. ickky says: Apr 16, 2012 7:58 PM

    *

  102. denverscott says: Apr 16, 2012 7:59 PM

    Thumb up the ass, mind in neutral, and yet his mouth won’t stop. Amazing!

  103. christiandrew25 says: Apr 16, 2012 8:00 PM

    Really?? An “*”? For what? Hitting too hard? Don’t the Steelers have a monopoly on that?

  104. deeppurple23 says: Apr 16, 2012 8:01 PM

    My opinion of Drew has completely changed. He’s an idiot. I wasn’t in any of those meetings and I’ve seen “meaningful” evidence…

  105. cperlen says: Apr 16, 2012 8:06 PM

    Brees is just reiterating what DeMaurice Smith and the rest of the NFLPA has been saying throughout, the NFL is not being forthright with them and are forcing them into an awkward position, making them sign off on player punishment without any actual information.

    Also, can the people who are saying Williams and Payton admitted to it please read up on the case? Williams had his apology written by the NFL, and Payton has pretty much deflected as much as possible without increasing the severity of tyrant Goodell’s sentencing by undermining his public authority.

    Lastly, the Williams audio is evidence of nothing more then that Williams is a barbarian…something we already knew. The saints are not being punished for Williams’s slander and general insanity, they are being punished for bounties and subsequent coverup that in no way are referenced in the audio. Regardless of how barbaric it is, the intent to injure is part of football; being rewarded additional money is not. The fact that the most incriminating evidence against the saints thus far is said audio that in no way reference bounties makes me curious, as I’m sure the NFLPA is, as to what evidence the NFL actually has and why they are not revealing it. If some of the evidence is false and tampered with as has been reported, the NFL, in attempting to help themselves in the concussion lawsuits, will have opened a pandora’s box full of new lawsuits.

  106. mjkelly77 says: Apr 16, 2012 8:09 PM

    “The lady doth protest too much, methinks.”

  107. olcap says: Apr 16, 2012 8:09 PM

    WTF is with this guy? Is he that dumb, or does he think we are the dumb ones? Whatever, he is becoming a village idiot type now, like the clowns that still think the world is flat. You’re becoming a big joke, Brees.

  108. commonsensedude says: Apr 16, 2012 8:10 PM

    “The NFL didn’t have any real evidence against me either.”

    Sincerely,
    OJ

  109. saints4evah says: Apr 16, 2012 8:10 PM

    Again…talk i s all they did. And talk is cheap…such as all of you dogpiled up on this BS witch hunt. Cheap, vacuous, empty, filled with hot, bloated gas…yes. YOU. Flame me all you want, i got a iron hide. Been a Saints fan since 72, will be a Saints fan despite ANY of you.
    ALL the Saints did was talk big in the locker room, but did nothing on the field to prove any of this BS inury-gate nonsense…not that the facts mean anything to you folks.
    Cue, the arrogant know-it-alls who just love to throw their football acumen in and show how so very smart they are. You people are laughable.
    Hang tough WHODATS…we will have our laughs on the field…this changes not one thing besides to show how gullible and judgmental some people are…starting with the idiot in charge GODELL.

  110. dellis07 says: Apr 16, 2012 8:12 PM

    This guy just needs to keep his mouth shut

  111. mgm36 says: Apr 16, 2012 8:15 PM

    drew, you obviously do NOT know all the facts. please shut-up

  112. ericn42000 says: Apr 16, 2012 8:17 PM

    L. I. A. R.

    ADMIT IT YOUR BUSTED

  113. topgun1019 says: Apr 16, 2012 8:20 PM

    Audio Tapes are not proof!!!

    - Richard Nixon

  114. avo15 says: Apr 16, 2012 8:20 PM

    so “kill the head, you kill the body” isn’t evidence enough huh? what about payton admitting and apoligizing…just not enough…

  115. therealhook says: Apr 16, 2012 8:20 PM

    I really, really like Bree’s. Like, allot. But the dude needs to shut up

  116. buffaloviking says: Apr 16, 2012 8:23 PM

    Vilma is awaiting his punishment, Brees is still in dream land, Ban him for the year for his lack of respect for the NFL. Williams wont appeal, Mr Good Guy needs to get a clue,

  117. kodakinvegas says: Apr 16, 2012 8:24 PM

    You know what’s worse than the bounty? After several KEY players involved have publicly admitted and resisted further investigation because they KNEW they’d be crucified, them accepted their punisment. Here comes Drew Brees, Mr Saints himself, opens his mouth and makes a TOTAL FOOL of himself. Thereby having set the stage for thousands of followers to regurgitate his opinion and look foolish as well.

    I can assure you, if Goodell put all the facts pm the table the Saints would be forfeiting title, trophy and 2012 season. Shut up while you’re ahead. Surely someone I’n those swamps has an education and see the merit to just plain shutting your pie hole for God’s sake. What is your problem? What part of STIPD SHUT UP do you not understand?

  118. mdd913 says: Apr 16, 2012 8:24 PM

    If I am with the NFLPA, I say ” shut up Drew”

    ——————————————————————-

    Why would the NFLPA not want Drew Brees to say the same exact thing their representatives had just said five minutes previously?

  119. lolo376 says: Apr 16, 2012 8:24 PM

    He’s just pissed because on top of the fact that he hasn’t gotten his new contract, he knows half his defense will be suspended and no draft picks in the first to rounds is almost a guarantee that the saints will be the Aints once again!

  120. axespray says: Apr 16, 2012 8:24 PM

    “but it also would block the application of an unofficial asterisk to the team’s Super Bowl win in 2009.”

    Buddy Ryan had bounties on kickers, He’s Gregg William’s Idol, yet no one is whining for the ’85 Bears to have on asterisk next to their championship…

    The 2010 Giants knocked out more QBs/Players than the saints did during Gregg’s tenure…

    Just Saying

  121. kingfish4242 says: Apr 16, 2012 8:24 PM

    vikingsfanintexas says:
    Apr 16, 2012 7:36 PM
    I agree Brees should face reality and quit running his mouth.

    I’ve been a Vikings fan since 1968 when they won their first division title and although I don’t like the thought of any team having a bounty to injure an opposing player the Saints shouldn’t have an * on their Super Bowl win.

    Face facts, the Vikings had way too many turnovers that weren’t caused by a bounty system being in place. The turnovers cost them the game not the multiple late hits and cheap shots they put on Favre.

    ————————————————-

    Thank you sir. I have much respect for fans like you. I’ve been a Saints fan since 1970 myself. 5 turnovers also cost us the Niners game this year.

    I’ll also admit the Vikings and Colts were better all around teams than the Saints in 2009. The best teams don’t always win the title though. That’s a large part of why we love sports.

  122. giantsfan2104 says: Apr 16, 2012 8:25 PM

    Unbelievable.

    The writing is on the wall, and he’s worried about vandalism.

  123. saintsfan1111 says: Apr 16, 2012 8:28 PM

    With all the big talk from Williams the night before the niners game, no cheap shots were thrown by the Saints. I think the players have a right to see evidence against them prior to be suspended and/or fined by the league. Remember, the league is pushing this cause of player lawsuits, so there is an element of that in the NFLPA’s demands. This is purely political, and has nothing to do with the Saints or football.

  124. bluefan204 says: Apr 16, 2012 8:29 PM

    He still thinks plausible deniability will work in this case. I didn’t used to hate Drew, but the more he opens his mouth, the more hatred I have for him.

    It happened, Drew. All of the people responsible have admitted as such, and have accepted their penalties. The biggest offender is so guilty that he didn’t even bother appealing. So pretty please….with sugar on top…..shut the **** up.

  125. andrewfbrowne says: Apr 16, 2012 8:29 PM

    Same guy who said the present day players were not responsible for results of all the bad business decisions of players who made game great.

    Consistently stupid. Exhibit 298

  126. purplegreenandgold says: Apr 16, 2012 8:31 PM

    wow there’s alot of hatred out there to the people that dont even bother to read these post. you hope drew or any other athelete u target is a member but lets face it ur talking to the wind. but i tell u one thing there is alot of check writing on these post that opposing TEAMS cannot cash. pending upcoming suspensions we will see where we stand. seriously if vilma only gets 2-8 months suspension( a so-called ringleader) then the others will not b as harsh but we will see. but u have to wonder whats taking so long.

  127. axespray says: Apr 16, 2012 8:31 PM

    robert831 says:Apr 16, 2012 6:54 PM
    “ban williams for life/ ban payton for life
    ban loomis for life/ban vitt for life
    1-3 yr suspensions for all players involved
    loss of 3 first round picks (one for each yr)
    loss of 30 million in salary cap for 3 years (10 per\yr)
    * – on tainted superbowl”
    ————————————
    children tend to have knee jerk reactions…smh

  128. bluefan204 says: Apr 16, 2012 8:33 PM

    saints4evah says: Apr 16, 2012 8:10 PM

    ALL the Saints did was talk big in the locker room, but did nothing on the field to prove any of this BS inury-gate nonsense…not that the facts mean anything to you folks.

    —-

    *psst*

    Hey….genius? I’m not supposed to disclose this information, but since you really seem to need it, I’ll break my own rule just this once. Pay close attention, because I’m only gonna say it once:

    SEAN PAYTON, GREGG WILLIAMS, JOE VITT, AND MICKEY LOOMIS ALL PUBLICLY ADMITTED THAT THERE WAS A BOUNTY SYSTEM IN PLACE.

    Those are all the facts I need, son.

  129. andymannfl says: Apr 16, 2012 8:34 PM

    Drew, go get Roger Clemens and the Juice to vouch for you so we can make your downspiraling image complete.

  130. devikesfan says: Apr 16, 2012 8:36 PM

    Denial ain’t just a river in Egypt- it’s also the source of water that Brees uses to make his Kool-Aid…

  131. kingfish4242 says: Apr 16, 2012 8:37 PM

    bmue42 says:
    Apr 16, 2012 7:46 PM
    im a packers fan,and does anybody really not consider their super bowl win legit? bounty like systems have been around since the game was invented and they will continue into the future, theyll just be alot more discreet.

    ———————————————–

    Another opposing fan I can say Thanks too. There was a poll I read on another teams forum that asked the question If our team did the same thing,but still won a Super Bowl,would you say it was worth it?

    There were 305 votes. 291 said yes,14 said no. I’d bet my house some of those 291 that said yes have been posting here saying stuff like strip the title or have Williams and Payton executed by firing squad lol

  132. sariff420 says: Apr 16, 2012 8:37 PM

    Hello Ladies,

    FYI, a barbaric speech by gregg Williams and coerced admissions by coaches does not qualify as tangible evidence. Thanks

  133. thetooloftools says: Apr 16, 2012 8:39 PM

    Brees BLOWS !

  134. keakuamai says: Apr 16, 2012 8:40 PM

    I think Drew is a good QB and all but I think objectivity in this instance is lacking

    What’s really interesting to me is that there is no meaningful evidence that his support is going to get him the new contract he seeks

  135. jerrykill4pres says: Apr 16, 2012 8:40 PM

    Drew’s brain is only good for reading a defense. Cuz if he had any other brains up there, he would have shut up long ago. Now he’s just making himself look like as big of a fool as Williams, and Payton…

  136. cincybert says: Apr 16, 2012 8:40 PM

    In the last 12 months there has been plenty of meaningful evidence that Drew Brees is an idiot.

  137. adammuz says: Apr 16, 2012 8:41 PM

    In other news, Drew Brees is a rube. My respect for him outside of the game is nonexistent because of statements like this…

  138. fcs34 says: Apr 16, 2012 8:41 PM

    Dumb ass. Get off the crack.

  139. realityonetwo says: Apr 16, 2012 8:48 PM

    Brees must want a “meaningful” job with the Saints after he retires. Go ahead, Brees, if you want to live in that cesspool of filth that is “Nyuh-aah-linz,” be my guest.

  140. thedudesnotin says: Apr 16, 2012 8:48 PM

    Drew, there is no point in trying to defend against the mob.

    Clearly, you, your friends, your NFLPA, your organization could come up with 1oo% innocence on the issue, but the mob is fickle brother.

    No longer does Innocent until Proven Guilty hold true in the court of public law.

    Keep fighting the good fight Drew.

  141. rcpj22 says: Apr 16, 2012 8:49 PM

    Come on Drew you’re better than that…stop drinking the Kool Aid and move on with what you can control! Start by asking your umbrella toting owner to show you the money and save is disastrous off-season! Come on Marry Poppins sign your damn QB and move forward!

  142. puckthefatriots says: Apr 16, 2012 8:50 PM

    nyjetsknicks…brees is an idiot and you still live with your mom(but you are a cool new yorker)

  143. jimthebuilder27 says: Apr 16, 2012 8:50 PM

    This guy just doesn’t get it.

  144. senky3 says: Apr 16, 2012 8:53 PM

    saints4evah, get a life and a mind. there is evidence that the saints took alot of cheap shots on farve in the playoff game. the refs did not call at least 2 roughing calls. the main thing your little payton is suspended for if covering up and lieing. and yes he is an arogant pos. and little stupid brees, if the saints are all that why hasn’t he signed yet? becasue it is about the money and the ego. brees passed for most of his yards against garbage defenses.

  145. jmsincla says: Apr 16, 2012 8:53 PM

    Blah! Blah! Rhetoric! Something about class. PUN! Blah! WOOF! MEOW!

    Shut Up.

  146. jmsincla says: Apr 16, 2012 8:54 PM

    Blah! Blah! Rhetoric! Something about class. PUN! Blah! WOOF! MEOW!

    Shut Up. Let him have his opinion, you sure as hell have yours.

  147. bigbluefan1 says: Apr 16, 2012 8:58 PM

    Having players meet with the NFL to discuss anything is a joke

    When will they learn to hire folks to talk for them the same guys have agents to deal with contracts go to meetings with the leaders of the owners.

    The reason the owners will always win is because they are smart enough to hire folks to deal with issues.

    The NFLPA hires a few then has players go to meetings

  148. taintedsaints2009 says: Apr 16, 2012 8:58 PM

    has your ring rusted away, Drew?

    I hope you are booed like Lebron returning to Cleveland the rest of your career.

  149. jordydean says: Apr 16, 2012 8:58 PM

    2009 Super Bowl Champions – New Orleans Saints*

    *The greatest team ever.

  150. genericuser8888 says: Apr 16, 2012 8:59 PM

    Above, people were downvoting me, and I don’t fully understand why. It’s very clear why Drew said those things. I’ll say it again.

    Drew works for the NFLPA.

    His job is to defend the players. With ZERO cartoffs in 2009, there is almost no evidence that the players were participating in the bounty program [i]in the manner (intent to injure) that Greg Williams directed them too[/i].

    No one can produce some long list of cart-offs and player ending injuries, [i]so while there may have been a bounty program going on, there is very little evidence that the players tried to execute it in the manner that Williams’ encouraged them too.[/i] There were zero cart-offs against the Saints in the superbowl season.

    From the NFLPA, Drew’s statement is consistent with a good defense for players associated with the program. I don’t know why anyone is outraged about his statement. I would be surprised if he said anything else.

  151. djjasonpaul says: Apr 16, 2012 8:59 PM

    wow look at all the haters coming out of the wood works on this one.. You ALL wish you had DREW BREES as QB. End of STORY, Don’t hate cause your team sucks!

  152. grandpoopah says: Apr 16, 2012 8:59 PM

    Drew, you are officially a POS. Now shut your stupid mouth and hope that the other 31 defensive coordinators have just a little more class than Williams. Otherwise, it might be your career, your ACL, and your head in the crosshairs, you hypocrite. For what it’s worth, I doubt you could have taken half the illegal hits Favre absorbed from your goon squad without leaving on a stretcher. You, your coach, your GM, your owner, and anyone stupid enough to defend you all deserve a lifetime of post-concussion syndrome. You disgust me.

  153. whodat0951 says: Apr 16, 2012 9:00 PM

    I love reading comments from fat bloggers with no life eating potato chips. The saints cheated. It’s clear. Every former player said they got paid for making big hits and knocking players out of the game. Since we got paid just like every other team for making big hits we some how got an advantage over everyone. Yeah that makes sense. It’s a shame the internet gives a voice to some of you.

  154. Little Earthquake says: Apr 16, 2012 9:02 PM

    I hear Brees is still on the fence over bin Laden’s role in 9/11.

  155. jeremyb91 says: Apr 16, 2012 9:04 PM

    They know Greg Williams placed the bounties, but for tax purposes and record-keeping purposes, there is no proof of any bounties in a pay-for money scheme that a player can be accused of therefore Drew Brees is “telling the truth.” Jonathan Vilma knows he’s going down for his bounty, but other than Vilma the NFL is going to have to prove that all of the other players received the bounties.

    It’s not going to easy charging players with accepting bounties and proving players were definitely hurt. It’s Roger Goodell therefore the punishment is going to be guilty until proven innocent and handled by the judge/jury (himself) with or w/o proof.

  156. acetw says: Apr 16, 2012 9:07 PM

    packhawk04 says:
    Apr 16, 2012 6:36 PM
    Why is brees so stupid? Are admissions not enough evidence for him? *****************

    They’re not enough for Roger Goodell, so………. (See – NY Giants’ players ADMISSION of bounty on Kyle Williams and Washington Redskins players AND coaches ADMISSION of having the same program. Goodell says, “No evidence found.”)

  157. doe22us says: Apr 16, 2012 9:07 PM

    Brees on the surface looks the part, but dude is dumb as rocks. I guess he is doing his part by reinforcing stereotypes.

  158. randomguy9999 says: Apr 16, 2012 9:08 PM

    the Saints systematically broke the law and the rules of the game…. and the perps have admitted it outright.

    the result was they got a superbowl win by simply assaulting the opposing players so they couldn’t play normally rather than outplaying them in the game….

    and every fan of the NFL will always know what that Saints did….

    the asterisk is already there…. forever.

  159. paulitik74 says: Apr 16, 2012 9:10 PM

    The simple fact that Drew Brees was allowed to come and see evidence shows that NFLPA is being disingenuous. It’s a Serious conflict of interest to have Drew Brees represent the NFLPA as a member of the executive committee when it is his team being questioned.

    I’m very prounion and I generally leaned more toward the NFLPA side of the argument during the lockout, but this was a huge mistake on DeMaurice Smith’s part to allow Drew Brees to be part of the part of this hearing. This demonstrates that Drew Brees shows nearly as much negligence and deserves almost as much responsibility as Sean Taylor Payton or Mickey Loomis because of his role in the NFLPA and his duty to help protect his fellow players. Drew Brees needs to shut up and be happy that he’s not being punished himself, because he should be suspended.

  160. samapoc says: Apr 16, 2012 9:11 PM

    I have to admit that I don’t see any evidence of any player doing anything wrong. Even if Gregg Williams’ speech wasn’t appropriate, you can’t punish players for not-listening to him.

  161. dfinpds says: Apr 16, 2012 9:12 PM

    I think Drew would have made a good add executive for the cigarette companies back in the 60′s and 70′s…….Cancer? I need an explanation……….I see no meaningful evidence that smoking and lung cancer are related…..

  162. jeffw says: Apr 16, 2012 9:12 PM

    Drew, You have the right to remain silent. I recommend that you exercise that right…

  163. iamwhodat says: Apr 16, 2012 9:16 PM

    I cant wait until the Saints boat race your fav team this season. We still have the best O in the game 6 years and running.

  164. jonny42671 says: Apr 16, 2012 9:24 PM

    @vikingfanintexas…….well said. Thank you. It was their own fault they lost. It was clear the Vikings were the best team. But that’s why they play the game.

  165. drdrumlord says: Apr 16, 2012 9:25 PM

    Brees wants an explanation of where that money went that he put into the bounty pool

  166. seenoland54 says: Apr 16, 2012 9:28 PM

    Makes you wonder how this guy even has enough smarts to get his fork from his plate to his mouth

  167. kimtrouard says: Apr 16, 2012 9:30 PM

    mark0226 says: Apr 16, 2012 6:42 PM

    Let me understand your position. Brees should recuse himself because he is biased. And, instead of Brees, someone that was presumed to be a target should go because they are NOT biased?
    ————————————————-
    Agreed. You have a vikings fan, florio, pretending to be a journalist and trying to link even the weather to “bountygate”. I guess there is an unofficial asterisk next to the vikings’ listing as losers of the nfccg, to show that they think they should have won.

  168. mungman69 says: Apr 16, 2012 9:31 PM

    I think that says it all.

  169. mungman69 says: Apr 16, 2012 9:32 PM

    Like I said that about covers it

  170. conormacleod says: Apr 16, 2012 9:33 PM

    Delivery of more rope for Mr. Bree’s! Who’s the idiot that said no cart offs should prove innocence? They attempted to hurt players. Just because Favre refused to be knocked out of the game doesn’t mean the Saints didn’t have a bounty on him.

  171. tucsonpackfan says: Apr 16, 2012 9:33 PM

    Brees wouldn’t know the truth if it hit him in the head.

  172. kimtrouard says: Apr 16, 2012 9:34 PM

    Little Earthquake says: Apr 16, 2012 9:02 PM

    I hear Brees is still on the fence over bin Laden’s role in 9/11.
    —————————————————-
    Hahaha. Most republicans actually still think it was saddam hussein.

  173. nolatd9 says: Apr 16, 2012 9:35 PM

    you are a bunch of haters!! Stop the insults and lies!! Drew is a better person than ya’ll are!! Yeah, your teams must be losing! Drew knows what he is doing. You all gonna listen to Florio???!!! omg! Get a life. As for personnal attacks, that is a sin! Maybe you say I’m personally atacking you, well if you all stop this insanity of lying and insulting innocent people, then I would not!!!! You call him a liar? He’s not! You are the L.I.A.R.!!!!! You are going down, not him! You are the nasty words you call him!! Not him! You all need to stop whining about this! And mind your own business. Like what your teams and QB’s do! JEALOUS much??!! You say POS? You are a very low person! Drew made a statement, they want and need more evidence. NFL is not showing it. Nothing solid to back up bounty. You need to respect someone like Drew. Obvisiously you have no respect in your life! Sorry your teams aren’t as top-rated as ours. You know we have an elite QB!! That is why you all are lying and name calling so much! Think about it!!! So just Shut Up! This comment does not include the Saints fans good comments on hear. I saw some. Know all true Saints fans are thinking, what, gotta put up with these hating trolls!!!

  174. west4420 says: Apr 16, 2012 9:35 PM

    Brees explained that the league has not yet shown that a bounty system existed.

    Dude….

  175. curtainclosed says: Apr 16, 2012 9:36 PM

    Don’t confessions kinda muddle all that?

  176. sabatimus says: Apr 16, 2012 9:38 PM

    Perhaps if he’s looking for solid evidence, he could check Gregg William’s toilet…

  177. curtainclosed says: Apr 16, 2012 9:39 PM

    Brees is a smart dude. He’s just in denial. He’s blinded by loyalty. There are worse things to be blind by.

  178. curtainclosed says: Apr 16, 2012 9:42 PM

    Ya have to understand that offensive meetings are separate from the defense. I’m pretty sure Drew Brees has never gone after a guys MCL.

  179. curtainclosed says: Apr 16, 2012 9:43 PM

    In other words, cut the guy some slack.

  180. mjhutmkr says: Apr 16, 2012 9:44 PM

    Hey Drew:

    You and the Saints cheated for 3 years even after you got caught, denied it, and continued on as if you were above it all.

    Shut up and take your medicine like a man, you frickin’ whiner.!!!

  181. artielange says: Apr 16, 2012 9:45 PM

    If you can’t beat them on the field, whine and cry that they should be banned for life……….it’s the Viqueen way.

    Listen up booger-eaters, there’s a few things you can count on this season:

    -the Saints will still be contenders

    -you Vikings fans will still be married to women that make Pat Williams look anorexic

    -Zygi Wilf will start loading up the moving vans for the trip to L.A.

    -the Vikings moving will crush Florio, and he will find comfort by sobbing hysterically into Peter King’s man-boobs

    Thank you and go **** yourselves.

  182. deanthedreammachine says: Apr 16, 2012 9:46 PM

    i agree. good player but a turd of society.

  183. bobhpine says: Apr 16, 2012 9:48 PM

    Sooo Sean Payton and Mickey Loomis apologized for what? Greg Williams didn’t appeal what?

    Drew P. Balls should brees on over to a shrink.

  184. chawk12thman says: Apr 16, 2012 9:51 PM

    Brees and the NFLPA want the evidence in hard copy contracts with ledger sheets, etc….That isn’t what is needed to corrective action by the employer. It may exist in some form but all that is needed is a preponderance of evidence (51%) that it existed and continued after they were told to stop. They have that. We have that. Enough said.

    I wish that the NFL would hurry and expeditiously hand down the player disciplines so we can start to move on.

  185. jerseyshoregiant says: Apr 16, 2012 9:58 PM

    At this point the NFL doesn’t have to provide anything to the NFLPA. The NFLPA doesn’t represent the coaches or organization. Once they start suspending players then they can gripe.

  186. mdd913 says: Apr 16, 2012 9:58 PM

    genericuser8888 says: Apr 16, 2012 8:59 PM

    Above, people were downvoting me, and I don’t fully understand why.

    ——————————————————————–

    Don’t take it personally, they are just not smart enough/too lazy to understand what you’re talking about. At this point anything you say they doesn’t absolutely crucify the Saints gets shouted down because people are sheep and will believe any piece of crap if you say it often enough.

    there are a few intelligent people here (on both sides of the issue) with the ability to form coherent, nuanced opinions and even if they fall on the other side of the fence I can respect it.

    (this however does not apply to roughly 95% of the usual PFT pool of commenters)

  187. jluns275 says: Apr 16, 2012 10:00 PM

    Wow. What an embarrassing display for Brees. I have just officially lost the last shred of what used to be much respect for Brees. I imagine he’s running off at the mouth in an ill advised hail mary type of attempt to compensate for that huge asterisk filling the void that used to hold his 2009 Championship Pride. That must be a truly empty, gnawing, grating feeling. After a lifetime of sacrificing evrything, returning from a potentially career ending shoulder injury, & building his life around striving to be the best at his craft-his greatest achievement is a FRAUD! Look out for the inevitible freefall for Brees, Karma can be pretty rough.

  188. andyreiddoublecheeseburger says: Apr 16, 2012 10:01 PM

    Used to have a lot of respect for this guy- no longer.

  189. justrunit11 says: Apr 16, 2012 10:06 PM

    Starting to dislike drew brees

  190. dachozen1 says: Apr 16, 2012 10:07 PM

    This Roger Goodell guy doesnt need any meaningful evidence. He is the mouth of reason. I’m glad no other organization stood up and refused to sign the ne “Collective Barganing” agreement, like my team. We didnt sign because we though Goodell would abuse his monolithic power. We were foolish enought to think more than 1 person should make a decision. Boy, were we wrong.

    Signed: James Harrison

  191. duece5 says: Apr 16, 2012 10:09 PM

    eballa1 says:Apr 16, 2012 6:42 PM

    Officially or unofficially, there is no asterisk on the Saints Super Bowl victory. They won. Deal with it.

    duece5 says:

    Doesn’t matter what YOU-singular, think.

    The court of public (plural) opinion is OVERWHELMINGLY in step with the fact that that taints bowl is positively tainted and a sham……deal with it!!!

    Who dat?? Asterisk dat who!!!!!!!!

  192. thefiesty1 says: Apr 16, 2012 10:10 PM

    Typical response from someone from Westlake. They would never admit any wrongdoing.

  193. duece5 says: Apr 16, 2012 10:18 PM

    artielange says:Apr 16, 2012 9:45 PM

    If you can’t beat them on the field, whine and cry that they should be banned for life……….it’s the Viqueen way.

    Listen up booger-eaters, there’s a few things you can count on this season:

    -the Saints will still be contenders

    -you Vikings fans will still be married to women that make Pat Williams look anorexic

    -Zygi Wilf will start loading up the moving vans for the trip to L.A.

    -the Vikings moving will crush Florio, and he will find comfort by sobbing hysterically into Peter King’s man-boobs

    Thank you and go **** yourselves

    duece5;

    Wow artie…..your life must suck!!!!

  194. neauxgeaux44 says: Apr 16, 2012 10:19 PM

    Love the Saints haters calling Brees stupid…who’s the one making $10M+ a year? Not you…loosah…as the astute, brilliant individual commented above – all roads lead through the Superdome this year…Saints win the SB again…Lombardi #2…while your loser team sits home and pouts…FACT! Who Dat, We Dat, Two Dat…..stay classy, haters…

  195. kingfish4242 says: Apr 16, 2012 10:26 PM

    genericuser8888 says:
    Apr 16, 2012 8:59 PM
    Above, people were downvoting me, and I don’t fully understand why. It’s very clear why Drew said those things. I’ll say it again.

    Drew works for the NFLPA.

    His job is to defend the players. With ZERO cartoffs in 2009, there is almost no evidence that the players were participating in the bounty program [i]in the manner (intent to injure) that Greg Williams directed them too[/i].

    No one can produce some long list of cart-offs and player ending injuries, [i]so while there may have been a bounty program going on, there is very little evidence that the players tried to execute it in the manner that Williams’ encouraged them too.[/i] There were zero cart-offs against the Saints in the superbowl season.

    From the NFLPA, Drew’s statement is consistent with a good defense for players associated with the program. I don’t know why anyone is outraged about his statement. I would be surprised if he said anything else.

    ————————————————

    I said it before,but it got deleted (hmmm) Never let the truth get in the way of a good mob bashing.

    Let some of the people posting here have their boss come up and say I’m suspending you because so and so said you did this. I don’t have any tangible proof,but the hearsay is so strong against you. I bet they wouldn’t take that sitting down.

    Mob Mentality Rules and this thread is loaded with sheeple.

  196. duece5 says: Apr 16, 2012 10:31 PM

    whodat0951 says:Apr 16, 2012 9:00 PM

    I love reading comments from fat bloggers with no life eating potato chips. The saints cheated. It’s clear. Every former player said they got paid for making big hits and knocking players out of the game. Since we got paid just like every other team for making big hits we some how got an advantage over everyone. Yeah that makes sense. It’s a shame the internet gives a voice to some of you.

    duece5 says:

    Hey whodat (nice originality!), other than your GM, YOUR HEAD COACH, YOUR ex-DC, and YOUR Ast. Head Coach and Interim HC (Vitt) WHO ALL ADMITTED to the system, other than those guys, you guys are clean!!

    Dude, your team CHEATED all the way to your taint bowl and kept cheating for two more years.
    It blows for you guys, just be quiet and accept the punishment…….you make yourself small everytime fans like you try to belittle what was ADMITTED by your own leadership.

    YOUR OWN people admitted to the worst scandal in the history of the NFL, and you speak with zero intellect and feeling for those specifically affected by the disgusting behavior of your own.

  197. duece5 says: Apr 16, 2012 10:36 PM

    neauxgeaux44 says:Apr 16, 2012 10:19 PM

    Love the Saints haters calling Brees stupid…who’s the one making $10M+ a year? Not you…loosah…as the astute, brilliant individual commented above – all roads lead through the Superdome this year…Saints win the SB again…Lombardi #2…while your loser team sits home and pouts…FACT! Who Dat, We Dat, Two Dat…..stay classy, haters…

    duece5 says:

    Another idiot-neauxgeaux44-was just born……

    I mean you guys are the most freakishly STUPIDEST fans -taints fans that is -IN THE WORLD.

    Who dat? Really? Other teams like the bengals already have the whodat thing, it’s not even original……whatever whodat means.

    It just means YOU ARE STUPID!!!!!

    Get a dictionary, take a class, go finish high school, make society a better place…..ANYTHING!!!!!!

  198. jmsincla says: Apr 16, 2012 10:36 PM

    Drew Brees doesn’t thing the same way as me!?!?! RAWWRRR! Crucify him! He’s a cheater. He’s DUMB! (even though he graduated from one of Americas best public schools with a 3.42) Haters will hate, Brees is great. Deal with it.

  199. rockashar says: Apr 16, 2012 10:39 PM

    Drew Brees is making Brett Favre look honorable….

  200. vikingsfanintexas says: Apr 16, 2012 10:42 PM

    kingfish4242 says:Apr 16, 2012 8:24 PM

    vikingsfanintexas says:
    Apr 16, 2012 7:36 PM
    I agree Brees should face reality and quit running his mouth.

    I’ve been a Vikings fan since 1968 when they won their first division title and although I don’t like the thought of any team having a bounty to injure an opposing player the Saints shouldn’t have an * on their Super Bowl win.

    Face facts, the Vikings had way too many turnovers that weren’t caused by a bounty system being in place. The turnovers cost them the game not the multiple late hits and cheap shots they put on Favre.

    ————————————————-

    Thank you sir. I have much respect for fans like you. I’ve been a Saints fan since 1970 myself. 5 turnovers also cost us the Niners game this year.

    I’ll also admit the Vikings and Colts were better all around teams than the Saints in 2009. The best teams don’t always win the title though. That’s a large part of why we love sports.

    Absolutely it is…

    I remember the NFC championship games in 1974 when the Vikings beat the Rams, and in 1976 when the Vikings beat the Rams. I’m not sure the better team won either of those games.

    And in 1977 in a divisional game the Vikings beat the Rams in an LA rainstorm on a field of mud… when the Rams were obviously the better team.

    Not to mention the 1975 NFC divisional playoff game the Vikings lost to the Cowboys when the Vikings were obviously the better team.

    Or the 1987 Vikings who beat the Saints and 49ers in back to back playoff games when the better team lost both games.

    And 1998 when the Vikings lost to the Falcons in the NFC Championship game when they went into the game 16-1 and had just set a new team scoring record. The better team lost that day too.

    Etc., etc., etc.

    Keep pulling for your team and don’t let anyone give you bull about winning.

    And another word for all the haters out there… chill. Life happens fast and if you spend so much energy hating about some football team you don’t care for… you’re wasting your life. No one really cares that you don’t like their team and all your attempts to insult someone else is… well… stupid.

    So, instead, be smart and savor the moments when supporting your team was something you won’t forget and be a man about losing… even when your team should have won.

  201. whodatgirl1 says: Apr 16, 2012 10:46 PM

    I’ve never seen such a collective display of hate. Well, actually, there was that whole Salem Witch Trial thing; which this is morphing into. You people are getting beyond the point of rediculous and listening to what you want to hear to find any reason to bash. Last week, Brees said that pay-for-performance is different than pay-for-injure and most people call him stupid, and that he just needed to shut up. PAY-FOR-PERFORMANCE IS WRITTEN INTO PLAYERS CONTRACTS! Why do you think the NFL changed what they were calling it? I guess some of you are unaware of his position in the NFLPA, he would have been in New York anyway if this was happening to another team and more than likely saying the same thing.

  202. matthewcarlson1 says: Apr 16, 2012 10:46 PM

    Seems like the Saints plan to deal with the situation is to just appear stupid. There is plenty of evidence yet Brees Denies it. The coach admitted to it in a written statement yet Sharper denied it. They were caught but they’re still pretending like they’re the victims.

  203. wadinmypants says: Apr 16, 2012 10:54 PM

    Brees, and you don’t have a huge freaking leech looking mole on your face either. Who the F does Brees think he is? The second coming of Baghdad Bob?

  204. soupkan says: Apr 16, 2012 10:55 PM

    Just look at what the Greg Williams led Washington Redskins D. did to Peyton Manning.Almost ended his carreer! What if that hapened to Brees? Hmmmm Payback…..

  205. harrisonhits2 says: Apr 16, 2012 10:56 PM

    Brees followed the comments about the bounty system by offering several bridges for sale to the highest bidder.

  206. vtopa says: Apr 16, 2012 11:03 PM

    Cue the dumb masses and their Saints hate. What a joke you people are.

  207. vman0626 says: Apr 16, 2012 11:08 PM

    why then did the owner, gm, payton and williams apologize?

    what did they apologize for?

    hey drew…..better to remain silent and be
    thought a fool than to open your mouth
    and remove all doubt.

  208. jonny42671 says: Apr 16, 2012 11:09 PM

    @nolatd9……..you know if you keep posting that, you might actually start to believe it. Bonds and Clemens were great players, just like the TAINTS were a good team. But now they will always be remembered as cheaters and liars. Like it or not, the Superbowl will always be Tainted. It’s bad enough, everyone remembers how the Vikings totally dominated them in every aspect of the game, now add cheating to that to?? Wait till it comes out that Payton and his loser gambling friend pd off the refs!!

  209. billsfan1 says: Apr 16, 2012 11:13 PM

    Dear Drew,
    i believe there was evidence…. you know, your boy steve gleason had a reporter who taped things.
    and as far as pay for performance is concerned… its called incentive laden contracts..not cash dished out under the table..

    lets play a little game… truth is….
    truth is – New Orleans just doesnt want to admit they were caught.
    truth is- between having among the worst education system in the entire country and 7 years passing since Katrina, the residents are really missing the “feel sorry empathy” from everybody else…
    truth is- NOBODY CARES. AND WHO THE HELL DOES BREES THINK HE IS, DEMANDING EVIDENCE… YOU WANT EVIDENCE JACKASS, REMOVE THAT ISLAND FROM YOUR FACE AND TALK TO YOUR COACHES, OWNER AND GM, WHO ALL ADMITTED WHAT HAPPENED….

    DREW BREES HAS BECOME LOUISIANA STUPID, OR SHOULD I SAY STEAUX-PID

  210. mattspapi says: Apr 16, 2012 11:24 PM

    Grow up you toads; Brees was an academic all-american at Purdue and has attened the Stanford Business School NFL managemnt program. Stupid he is not.
    This is simply a smart guy working his contract deal by supporting his team no matter what. This is about money; always is always will be.
    Brees is grandstanding for bargaining position with Benson. The face of the franchise knows exactly what happened the past 3 years and he knows the payday he wants depends on playiong this game like an All-Pro.
    Sorry Tainmst fans but Andrew is not getting on the field without that contract abd about $40Mil guranteed. The last tiume he did that in SD it almost cost him his career.
    Its about the benjamins not the truth.

  211. kingfish4242 says: Apr 16, 2012 11:28 PM

    Apr 16, 2012 11:09 PM
    @nolatd9……..everyone remembers how the Vikings totally dominated them in every aspect of the game,

    —————————————————–
    everywhere except the scoreboard.

  212. n001363 says: Apr 16, 2012 11:40 PM

    Drew, how far up your ass can your head be?

  213. genericuser8888 says: Apr 16, 2012 11:43 PM

    My favorite thing about this entire scandal is how the NFL intentionally made a huge publicity story about this. No reporter “discovered” this story, the NFL broadcast it and dragged it out for as long as possible.

    Why did the NFL do this? While it’s obvious that while what Greg Williams did was wrong, the real issue here is prepping a defense for the 1,700+ players filing concussion suits. As Peter King recently wrote, “Roger Goodell didn’t make these decisions in a vacuum.”

    Then, to top it all off, Sean Payton obviously feels unfairly punished and while he admits that the program “took place on his watch” and he “accepts responsibility”, he hasn’t came out and said “I knew things were this bad and I let it go on.” In fact, I don’t think he has EVER admitted knowing the extent of the bounty program. In fact, he says that he “should have paid more attention to the other side of the ball”. I think he suspected it was this bad, but put his head in the sand and hoped it would go away after he fired Williams at the end of the season.

    So, what’s hilarious is that after Payton makes those statements, Goodell comes out a few days later and says that Payton can “make back” some of his $8 million dollar salary by “properly complying” with the NFL. Basically, its coercion in action. If he rolls over and admits what Goodell wants him to admit that he “really” knew about the program and make a few speeches around the league, Goodell will give him back A FEW MILLION DOLLARS.

    This whole thing is a fiasco on the part of the Saints and Roger Goodell. The full season suspension has only drawn attention to the fact that the NFL was overcompensating in preparation for the players’ concussion suits. And, to top things off, multiple players on other teams have talked about “targeting” injured players (e.g. the giants targeting the guy with the concussions), and there is zero investigation or punishments for those guys.

    Mike, please don’t delete this. I know you sometimes delete posts that seem to criticize the “good” intentions of the NFL and Roger, but for crying out loud, Peter King has an article up that says many of the same things, about the punishment of Payton not taking place “in a vacuum” in particular. What the Saints did was obviously wrong, but there’s a lot of bull on the side of the NFL here too.

    Too bad the Saints were dumb enough to set themselves up for all this. Roger may have went too far by making a spectacle out of all of this and punishing Payton too extremely, but at least he did WARN THEM a few times. I’m a Saints fan, but there really is no excuse for Payton letting this go on for so long.

  214. duece5 says: Apr 16, 2012 11:51 PM

    sfsaintsfan says:Apr 16, 2012 7:19 PM

    “If/when one of those men declares publicly that there’s no evidence of a bounty system, fans will regard their words with a far greater degree of credibility.”

    There is no evidence of a bounty system. Every play from every game was looked at. At no point over a three year player was a single player knocked out or injured as a result of an illegal hit by a Saints Defensive Player. Not One!

    The NFL has basically admitted there was no “bounty” on any players, because nobody ever got hit. There was “talk” and that is all. No action. A whole lot of talk and no action.

    duece5 says:

    You are flat out wrong…..Favre was indeed injured on the ILLEGAL high/low hit. Note that Peirerra admits the miscall from the officials.

    That play, ALONE,little stevie, is the one viewed THE MOST…..over and over to the disgusting bounty scandal.

    Yes, it was an illegal hit, and yes, the Head of referees at the time, Mike Peirerra, admits it should have been a 15 yard flagrant penalty.

    I guess Favre being helped off the field by the TRAINERS, does not classify as an injury??

    The ankle bothered him for most of his 2010 season..

    Can I ask stevie…..ARE YOU ON CRACK???

    Here is one of the threads…….there are plenty more, dufus!!!!:

    Official says refs missed call on low Favre hit — GazetteXtra
    gazettextra.com/news/…/official-says-refs-missed-call-low-favre-hit/

    Jan 29, 2010 – Mike Pereira, the NFL’s vice president of officiating, admitted on the … I just read that McCray is being fined $20000 for the illegal hit on Favre.

  215. whodatgirl1 says: Apr 16, 2012 11:55 PM

    @billsfan1, you phonetically spelled stopid, not stupid, stupid.

  216. vbe2 says: Apr 17, 2012 12:08 AM

    Williams and Payton admitting it isn’t enough for that jackwad? What more does the idiot need?

  217. cincybert says: Apr 17, 2012 12:15 AM

    For someone to accept Brees’ line of argument, you have to believe that “meaningful evidence” of the bounty system exists only if a targeted player actually gets hurt. But that type of reasoning is missing the point. An injury is not proof of the bounty system, but rather, the act of putting up the money as incentive to injure another player, is proof the system existed and Greg Williams and others have already admitted to that. To use Brees’ flawed rationale in another circumstance, let’s take drunk driving. Of course the purpose of the DUI laws is to prevent people from getting hurt or killed, but the crime of drunk driving occurs when the person who is intoxicated gets behind the wheel. If he gets caught driving drunk, he gets punished. It doesn’t make any difference whether or not someone ACTUALLY gets hurt. The same is true here with Greg Williams, Sean Payton and the Saints…Goodell punished them before there was injury but that doesn’t mean they didn’t commit the wrong. Now, Drew Brees, wants to argue that there is no bounty system because there were no injuries? Please Drew Brees, ( and all other Drew Brees apologists) stop saying there is no crime because there were no injured victims carted off the field. Instead, be thankful the Saints bounty system was stopped before someone was seriously hurt.

  218. chawk12thman says: Apr 17, 2012 12:19 AM

    I read and thought about your comments Drew. I guess I just don’t understand them. I need an explanation.

  219. msclemons67 says: Apr 17, 2012 12:26 AM

    I expected better from Brees than a Nixonian “We are not crooks.”

    There are e-mails detailing the specifics of the bounty program, an admission and apology from Payton and even Gregg Williams on tape offering money for an illegal hit.

    Brees is a class guy and a great advocate for the NFLPA. He’s better than this.

  220. sfsaintsfan says: Apr 17, 2012 12:40 AM

    Play a little Jeopardy with me:

    What is ZERO?

    Answer:

    Number of Saints “cart offs” and/or “knockouts” during the 2009, 2010 and 2011 NFL Seasons combined.

    Alternative answer:

    Number of Minnesota Vikings* Super Bowl Victories.

    * NFL that used to play in Minnesota if you guys don’t get your act together. Instead of worrying about a game that happened over two years ago deal with the reality staring you in the face. A terrible stadium, an out of town owner and no plan.

  221. gerttownmomo says: Apr 17, 2012 12:46 AM

    @ballsfin1 – if you’re going to take a stab at someone at least be educated about it. ‘eaux’ is no pronounced as ‘oo’. just makes you look more stupid than those you’re trying to insult!

  222. descendency says: Apr 17, 2012 12:47 AM

    Is a indefinitely suspended coordinator that isn’t appealing not evidence enough?

  223. gerttownmomo says: Apr 17, 2012 12:47 AM

    oops, *not pronounced.

  224. grannyvi4 says: Apr 17, 2012 1:45 AM

    sdisme says:Apr 16, 2012 6:56 PM

    bert1913 says: Apr 16, 2012 6:49 PM

    you “mean” audio is not enough proof?

    The audio is despicable, but does it prove the players, Sean Payton or Mickey Loomis were involved in a bounty system?
    ——————————
    No, the audio doesn’t prove Payton’s involvement in the bounty system. HOWEVER…that email from Ornstein to Payton in which Ornstein “committed” $5,000 to the pot is pretty damning, especially since Ornstein is not part of the team’s operations (officially), is a convicted felon, walks freely along the sidelines during games, AND got himself a SB ring to boot. Now, why is that?

    The audio is the least of Payton’s problems

  225. patsaintsbroncoscheat says: Apr 17, 2012 2:03 AM

    jason1980 says: Apr 16, 2012 7:01 PM

    Same trolls whining about the powerhouse Saints. Bounty are no bounty, the superbowl passes throughout the Saints this year. Mark it on your calendars boys and girls!
    ___________________________
    FAIL! The current level of education in this country is frightening.

  226. yodainyourface says: Apr 17, 2012 2:52 AM

    Some of you guys crack me up….

    If there is such a smoking gun WHERE ARE THE PLAYERS SUSPENSIONS….

    waiting…. waiting…..

    CRICKETS…..

  227. forever9ers says: Apr 17, 2012 3:44 AM

    Bree, you’re sounding more and more like a fake boob when GreggWilliams is not even contesting the charges nor appealing the punishment .

  228. csmit44 says: Apr 17, 2012 4:07 AM

    Again…nobody is denying that there was an illegal pay for performance problem going on. They are denying a pay for injury incentive. If you don’t believe them…fine. However all Goodell needs to do is show the proof of “pay to INJURE” to end this. I agree with Florio that there is a bit of conflict of interest. But I guarantee you that fans of all 31/31 other teams would want their team leader there and would want to see the proof as well. Seems like they could find 1 page in 50k.

  229. macbull says: Apr 17, 2012 5:43 AM

    What is the evidence concerning bounties?

    Did Pamphilon’s tapes reveal Greg Williams talking about “bounties” ?

    If the Pamphilon tapes have Williams discussing payment of money for hits, that would be strong evidence backing up the NFL’s claim of a bounty system. To date, I have heard nothing in the Pamphilon tapes discussing payment of money for hits on Saints opponents.

    It’s about the evidence, not what the NFL or Drew Brees claim is the evidence.

  230. mp42245 says: Apr 17, 2012 6:31 AM

    The SupeR Bowl win is legit, Florio. As much as you hate ie. As far as you Saint Haters go, the truth hurts , don’t it!

  231. BigBeachBall says: Apr 17, 2012 6:51 AM

    bounties are bad ass… i hope they stay in the game forever…. whenever Goodell steps in and has to police some aspect of the sport…. get ready for a more pussiefied version of the game in the following season…. in 2020 football is going to be a bunch of players wearing dresses, holding hands, and singing Kum – by – Ya….. CANT WAIT!

  232. gpclaw says: Apr 17, 2012 7:10 AM

    The NFLPA represents the players, not the coaches. Brees should quit his whining. If he really wants to help his team, he wouldn’t ask for a contract, that eats up 20% of the teams salary cap.

  233. duece5 says: Apr 17, 2012 7:13 AM

    Apr 17, 2012 5:43 AM

    What is the evidence concerning bounties?

    Did Pamphilon’s tapes reveal Greg Williams talking about “bounties” ?

    If the Pamphilon tapes have Williams discussing payment of money for hits, that would be strong evidence backing up the NFL’s claim of a bounty system. To date, I have heard nothing in the Pamphilon tapes discussing payment of money for hits on Saints opponents.

    It’s about the evidence, not what the NFL or Drew Brees claim is the evidence

    duece5 says:

    There are over 50,000 pages of evidence, including the coaches who have admitted it. No question that there was pressure from the NFL to Williams, and others, to help the NFL with that evidence.

    The NFL has to be careful that they get all involved in the suspensions.

    It’s not about IF, it’s just about HOW LONG.

    People are fools if they think players are gonna get off……..the reality is that these will be the widest and longest suspensions of players given in NFL history.

    It will blow your mind how many, and for how long the suspensions will be.

  234. kingfish4242 says: Apr 17, 2012 7:15 AM

    vikingsfanintexas says:

    I remember the NFC championship games in 1974 when the Vikings beat the Rams, and in 1976 when the Vikings beat the Rams. I’m not sure the better team won either of those games.

    And in 1977 in a divisional game the Vikings beat the Rams in an LA rainstorm on a field of mud… when the Rams were obviously the better team.

    Not to mention the 1975 NFC divisional playoff game the Vikings lost to the Cowboys when the Vikings were obviously the better team.

    Or the 1987 Vikings who beat the Saints and 49ers in back to back playoff games when the better team lost both games.

    And 1998 when the Vikings lost to the Falcons in the NFC Championship game when they went into the game 16-1 and had just set a new team scoring record. The better team lost that day too.

    Etc., etc., etc.

    Keep pulling for your team and don’t let anyone give you bull about winning.

    And another word for all the haters out there… chill. Life happens fast and if you spend so much energy hating about some football team you don’t care for… you’re wasting your life. No one really cares that you don’t like their team and all your attempts to insult someone else is… well… stupid.

    So, instead, be smart and savor the moments when supporting your team was something you won’t forget and be a man about losing… even when your team should have won.

    ————————————————-

    Man, that 98 Title game was hard on me too. As a lifelong Falcon hater,I was pulling hard for the Vikes that game.

    That game was also the reason I never wanted Dennis Green to ever coach my team. I know you can’t blame him for Andersons missed FG. I do blame him for kneeling on the ball with a minute and 30 seconds left. They were 25-30 yards away from another FG attempt. Instead of passing to Moss and getting in range, Cunningham takes a knee. The Vikes lose the coin toss going into OT and the rest is history.

    The bottom line is if you dig deep enough you can find dirt on every team that’s won a title. The game simply isn’t played by a bunch of choir boys.

    For the * lovers here we go

    *1976 Oakland Raiders- Ran a bounty program led by Safeties Jack Tatum and George Atkinson. Both collected cash for knocking opponents out of games. One of those was Vikings receiver Sammy White in SB 11. How about the blindside hit Atkinson put on Steelers WR. Lynn Swann in the 74 AFCCG? Swann spent several days in the hospital recovering from a concussion and almost missed playing in SB 10 a week later. Nearly 40 years later,Atkinson is making no apologies. In fact, he’s still bragging about it.

    *1994 Niners – Blatantly cheated the salary cap by paying some of the players salary under the table. Specifically Qb Steve Young and TE Brent Jones. The league later suspended the owner D’Bartalo for a year,and docked the niners a measly 3rd round pick.

    The Niners committed the classic definition of cheating. I haven’t seen anything written on this forum that demands stripping them of their Lombardi.

    Time rolls on. In a few years this topic will become a distant memory for most. We’ll move on and start complaining about the next big controversy.

  235. sj39 says: Apr 17, 2012 7:19 AM

    This guy is in complete denial that his team broke rules. What he thinks he’s a Patriot now?

  236. kingfish4242 says: Apr 17, 2012 7:33 AM

    uece5 says:

    Another idiot-neauxgeaux44-was just born……

    I mean you guys are the most freakishly STUPIDEST fans -taints fans that is -IN THE WORLD.

    Who dat? Really? Other teams like the bengals already have the whodat thing, it’s not even original……whatever whodat means.

    It just means YOU ARE STUPID!!!!!

    Get a dictionary, take a class, go finish high school, make society a better place…..ANYTHING!!!!!!

    ————————————————-

    People like yourself who like to build themselves up by tearing others down often harbor a strong inferiority complex. They use the internet as a way to release those pent up frustrations in many cases.

    Go back and read what the longtime Vikings fan posted. We really don’t care what you believe about our favorite team. History does show success breeds hatred. I’ve been a fan when we were the laughingstock of the league under original owner John Meacom. I’m now a fan of a team that won a Lombardi despite having a below average defense under the neanderthal Gregg Williams. I’ll take the latter 7 days a week.

  237. falconsfan says: Apr 17, 2012 7:36 AM

    Breesus needs to lay off the Nyquil and start taking some Dayquil to WAKE UP. I’ve never disliked the guy but he’s riding that line of sounding really ignorant!

  238. cleonslamminsalmon says: Apr 17, 2012 7:42 AM

    Powerhouse Saints? The same Saints that lost to the Seahawks in the playoffs and then lost to Alex Smith in the playoffs? Yeah…Powerhouse.

    Go Pack Go!

  239. ejmat2 says: Apr 17, 2012 8:09 AM

    eballa1 says:
    Apr 16, 2012 6:42 PM
    Officially or unofficially, there is no asterisk on the Saints Super Bowl victory. They won. Deal with it.
    ————————————–
    Everyone has dealt with it and most are sorry they have to. Now it’s time for you to deal with the fact there IS an asterisk next to their victory and Brees needs to deal with the fact the bounty system DID HAPPEN has admitted by the leader himself, Gregg Williams. Just as Payton and Vitt supposedly took full responsibility for it or was that just BS to keep their clean image? See either way, the Saints still look bad regardless. So for you who think everyone else hasn’t dealt with the fact the Saints won the superbowl you and the Saints have to deal with there IS and WILL ALWAYS be an asterisk next to that superbowl victory.

  240. kingfish4242 says: Apr 17, 2012 8:30 AM

    cleonslamminsalmon says:
    Apr 17, 2012 7:42 AM
    Powerhouse Saints? The same Saints that lost to the Seahawks in the playoffs and then lost to Alex Smith in the playoffs? Yeah…Powerhouse.

    Go Pack Go!

    ——————————————-

    15- one and done. I’d say your season was more disappointing than ours.

  241. budsdrinker says: Apr 17, 2012 8:37 AM

    OK for all you Saints Haters and crap stirers(Florio). No one with the Saints admitted to a bounty system. They admitted to a pay for performance program which is against NFL rules and CBA. That is why Williams, Payton, Vitt and Loomis apologised. There hasn’t been any evidence given to the public to show that there was a pay for injury program in place. What was said on the Williams audio tape is no different then what is said in every locker room in football. It was also very convenient that the part when Williams said don’t cross the line or do anything to hurt the team was left off of the public’s version. This is all a big media crap fest and the NFL trying to protect itself from concussion law suits. Also it is very foolish to keep bringing up tainted or asterik on the Saints Superbowl. You people need to grow up and take defeat like adults, not kids that want to take their toys and go home because they choked in the big game!

  242. kingfish4242 says: Apr 17, 2012 9:07 AM

    eballa1 says:
    Apr 16, 2012 6:42 PM
    Officially or unofficially, there is no asterisk on the Saints Super Bowl victory. They won. Deal with it.
    ————————————–
    Everyone has dealt with it and most are sorry they have to. Now it’s time for you to deal with the fact there IS an asterisk next to their victory and Brees needs to deal with the fact the bounty system DID HAPPEN has admitted by the leader himself, Gregg Williams. Just as Payton and Vitt supposedly took full responsibility for it or was that just BS to keep their clean image? See either way, the Saints still look bad regardless. So for you who think everyone else hasn’t dealt with the fact the Saints won the superbowl you and the Saints have to deal with there IS and WILL ALWAYS be an asterisk next to that superbowl victory.

    ________________________________

    The only * that will be associated with the saints Super Bowl victory will only exist in the minds of opposing fans like yourself.

    To be 100% sure, I just googled the list of Super Bowl champions. The NFL history book still says Saints 31 Colts 17 with no*. That’s the only opinion that matters. The court of public opinion is fickle and changes to whatever direction the wind is blowing. That’s why our founding fathers of this great nation decided a supreme court justice is appointed for life. That allows them to make decisions based on their beliefs and not have to worry about what the public thinks. At one time,a majority of the people on earth believed it to be flat.When someone loses in the court of public opinion , it doesn’t mean the public is right. The saints won a Lombardi trophy without a * and the record books will never put one there. You’ll just have to get over it.

  243. cleonslamminsalmon says: Apr 17, 2012 9:11 AM

    kingfish4242-
    Who’s your quarterback right now? And don’t say the guy that refuses to sign.

  244. southcakpanther says: Apr 17, 2012 9:19 AM

    Standing with your fingers in your ears yelling “La! La! La! La! I can’t hear you!!” is always the best way to handle situations as an adult. Good job Brees! You look as ignorant as your fan base.

  245. rich954 says: Apr 17, 2012 9:22 AM

    Drew, You are a great player with a Good
    image , do not destroy your image defending a bunch of individuals that would of easily put a bounty over your head if they were not your teammates or coaches.

  246. johnnycamparm says: Apr 17, 2012 9:27 AM

    “If you try to remove the birth mark from the face, and fail,… you kill the brain”
    -Greg Williams

  247. hikohadon says: Apr 17, 2012 9:31 AM

    “This Roger Goodell guy doesnt need any meaningful evidence. He is the mouth of reason. I’m glad no other organization stood up and refused to sign the ne “Collective Barganing” agreement, like my team. We didnt sign because we though Goodell would abuse his monolithic power. We were foolish enought to think more than 1 person should make a decision. Boy, were we wrong.

    Signed: James Harrison”
    ____________________

    As if James Harrison can read or write.

  248. righteousaviator says: Apr 17, 2012 11:55 AM

    I used to respect you Drew Brees. Thought you were a decent human being and a talented player. Now I know you’re just an idiot.
    I will never support your team (nor you) again.

  249. ejmat2 says: Apr 17, 2012 2:00 PM

    budsdrinker says:
    Apr 17, 2012 8:37 AM
    ……”There hasn’t been any evidence given to the public to show that there was a pay for injury program in place. What was said on the Williams audio tape is no different then what is said in every locker room in football……..”
    ——————————————–
    Really? So then I must ask you how do you know? Are you there in every NFL Locker room? Do you think every coach tells people to tear other players’ ACLs and knock their head in the ground after the plays are over? Please share your insight with the rest of us. LMAO

  250. vikingamericann says: Apr 17, 2012 3:52 PM

    Never underestimate the stupidly of the masses. Brees is right, there is know evidence of a bounty system. The morons who think Payton, Williams , And Vitt admitted to a bounty program would buy ocean front property in Kansas. I know this is too complicated for the masses, but what you have these so called admission/public apologies. Is people saying I take full responsibility for my role in the Saints in the safety of our players. Don’t you morons know that is a carefully worded statement drawn up by lawyers. Guess not or you would not be morons. An intelligent person like Brees understands this. The rest of you are too stupid to ask what are you taken full responsibility for? But then again I’m a businessman who makes a lot of money of stupid people. So keep making me rich.

  251. maddog111 says: Apr 17, 2012 4:22 PM

    vikingamericann says:
    Apr 17, 2012 3:52 PM
    Never underestimate the stupidly of the masses. Brees is right, there is know evidence of a bounty system
    ————————————————
    Never underestimate the stupidity of someone who doesn’t KNOW the difference between KNOW and NO.

  252. bearseatcheese says: Apr 17, 2012 6:48 PM

    No evidence of the scandal? Has he not heard the Greg Williams tape?

  253. monkeyboymotors says: Apr 17, 2012 8:38 PM

    Oh, I forgot it ‘s the 17th. I guess you’ll have to wait until after the superbowl. Unless you can help him to cheat by calling him on the phone. Cheating never bothered him before.

  254. kingfish4242 says: Apr 18, 2012 7:58 AM

    bearseatcheese says:
    Apr 17, 2012 6:48 PM
    No evidence of the scandal? Has he not heard the Greg Williams tape?

    ————————————————–

    It’s been said several times here. No one has denied the existence of the system. What Brees is asking is where did it occur on the field?

    Darren Woodson was on ESPN recently and said He’s watched Jon Vilma ever since he’s been in the league and he’s not a dirty player. The only hit I’d call dirty was the high/low by Hargrove and McCray on Favre. Both of those players are no longer on the Saints roster. Sure Williams talked the talk,but did the Saints listen to him on the field? Did anyone go after Crabtree’s ACL in the playoff game? The answer is no.

    How would you feel if your boss or HR Dept. threatened to fire or suspend you without pay based on hearsay? That’s simply what Brees is asking. We don’t send people to jail in this country without solid proof beyond the question of a doubt. Of course it doesn’t always happen,but that’s how it’s supposed to work.

    In essence,Brees is asking for Due Process. Proving allegations in a court of law is entirely different than the court of public opinion. See O.J. Simpson.

  255. ejmat2 says: Apr 18, 2012 10:37 AM

    @ kingfish4242
    So the audiotapes of the players saying “Give me my money” after knocking Favre illegally is not proof? Just curious if that audiotape has any proof at all. I sure as hell think it does.

  256. The Prophet says: Apr 18, 2012 10:46 AM

    Well, at least we don’t have to exempt Drew Brees from our hatred of the Saints anymore!

  257. goodolebaghead says: Apr 18, 2012 6:22 PM

    @ejmat2

    Show me a link to audio of a Saint player saying that.

  258. ejmat2 says: Apr 18, 2012 9:25 PM

    @ goodolebaghead – Go to the PFT home page. Click on New Orleans Saints link and find it yourself. Not too hard.

  259. goodolebaghead says: Apr 19, 2012 10:26 AM

    @ejmat2 – sorry, still don’t see a link to audio of a Saint player saying, “Give me my money” anywhere on the main or NOLA page on here. Only audio I know of is GW saying attack body parts. Again, please just show me a link that takes me to an audio clip of any defensive player once saying, “Give me my money” after knocking Favre or anyone out of a game.

  260. hrmlss says: Apr 19, 2012 5:38 PM

    Bree’s also denied he has a spot on his face.

  261. tluke25 says: Apr 22, 2012 11:00 AM

    Brees just needs to keep quiet. If he is going to continue to claim that the “NFL has no evidence”, I’m gonna really start to despise him.

    The NFL has plenty of evidence. They have emails stating who put in money on given weeks, they have confessions from the coaching staff, and we have the audio that was just absolutely chilling.

    Brees needs to focus on how serious this is instead of how he wished the Saints weren’t punished. Targeted player’s heads and brains for the sake of winning a football game is jacked up and absolutely criminal! What’s worse is to target that area of the body and then throw in a pool of money from everyone if they succeed.

    Drew Brees, you need to shut up. I like you and want to keep liking you, but you are making it hard. Just stay quiet.

  262. ejmat2 says: Apr 22, 2012 1:22 PM

    Any reason why my post with the link being requested was taken off this page? I was not disrespectful in any way. This page can be pretty frustrating sometimes.

  263. golonger says: Apr 23, 2012 11:38 AM

    “Targeted player’s heads and brains for the sake of winning a football game is jacked up and absolutely criminal!”

    Sorry…this happens in football WITHOUT bounties…..part of the game. As soon as you girlie knuckleheads understand this,the better off you’ll be!

  264. golonger says: Apr 23, 2012 11:42 AM

    ..so…..if there was a tape of some player saying he is going to “kill” Drew Brees in ABC playoff game….are you going to think he means he is going to actually try and kill him??? Give me a break. Have any of you ever played football at any level? If not, you should SHUT UP because you are clueless and have no idea what goes on in locker rooms (obviously) and how the game is REALLY played….

  265. catfish252 says: Apr 23, 2012 1:41 PM

    Before this all came to light I held Drew in pretty high esteem, however the more he gets involved and continues to deny any of this the more I am losing my respect for him. The best thing he can do right now is keep his mouth shut and just play QB and not become the mouthpiece for the rest of the slugs in the organization.

  266. goodolebaghead says: Apr 23, 2012 5:58 PM

    ^ READ the story, not the Florio propaganda, but the story. He denied the existence of proof that any player received or took part in injuring an opponent. He didn’t say there was no system. He said the proof to ‘prosecute’ isn’t there. You guys need to work on your reading comprehension and read more than just Florio’s anti-Saint fictional posts.

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