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Roman Harper, Will Smith facing bounty discipline

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Two of the Saints’ top defensive players, safety Roman Harper and defensive end Will Smith, have been identified as potentially facing NFL discipline for their role in the Saints’ bounty scandal.

NFL Network’s Jason La Canfora reports that Harper and Smith, who were first and second on the team in sacks last year, featured prominently in the league’s investigation of bounties and may face more serious discipline than most of their 22 to 27 teammates who were identified as taking part in the bounty scandal.

Saints linebacker Jonathan Vilma committed the single most dramatic act that has been revealed in the team’s bounty findings when he reportedly put $10,000 in cash on the table in the team’s meeting room and said it would go to whoever knocked Brett Favre out of the NFC Championship Game, and Vilma is bracing for a suspension of 2-8 games. There have been no specifics reported about what kind of discipline other Saints players are facing, but Harper and Smith may need to be worried about suspensions of their own.

The Saints need to be worried, too, especially if the NFL doesn’t allow them to stagger players’ suspensions and they have to start the season without multiple defensive starters. When the 2012 NFL schedule comes out today, the teams that face the Saints in the first couple games of the season should celebrate: They’ll be facing a depleted Saints team.

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  1. bluejays20091 says: Apr 17, 2012 7:56 AM

    everyone on the saints are really stupid

  2. jackntorres says: Apr 17, 2012 7:56 AM

    Don’t forget McCray was flagged for “late hit out of bounds” of Favre, although Favre was standing in the middle of the field after a reverse to Harvin. The refs just didn’t like Favre being hit that hard even though he was pretending to have the ball. What a joke.

    Stop with the asterisk talk. If you insist, however, why not include one on the Giants this year for targeting Kyle Williams?

  3. jackntorres says: Apr 17, 2012 7:58 AM

    When the 2012 NFL schedule comes out today, the teams that face the Saints in the first couple games of the season should celebrate: They’ll be facing a depleted Saints team.

    The Saints, like about 30 other teams in the league, win with offense. Last I checked no offensive players were going to be suspended. In the words of Steven Tyler, “Dream on.”

  4. jenniferxxx says: Apr 17, 2012 7:59 AM

    Luckily Drew Brees had no knowledge of any of this. Well … no ‘real’ knowledge *wink wink*…

  5. staugslugga says: Apr 17, 2012 8:00 AM

    Yeah the NFL cares about integrity and fairness so much. I bet he holds out with what players are suspended until the end of preseason…

    Goodell needs to change his tampon and stop letting his butthurt feelings cloud his judgment cause the big bad Saints weren’t nice to him. (Tear..)

  6. jackntorres says: Apr 17, 2012 8:02 AM

    bluejays20091 says: Apr 17, 2012 7:56 AM

    everyone on the saints are really stupid
    —-
    Well you sir are no Henry Wadsworth Longfellow.

    I think you meant to say everyone on the Saints IS stupid. Everyone is a collective pronoun which means you use the singular forms of verbs with it.

  7. lennydpocketqb says: Apr 17, 2012 8:08 AM

    When grammar queens attack!

  8. ihnen0840 says: Apr 17, 2012 8:12 AM

    Let the Vikings, Colts, Cardinals and 49ers have the first crack at these guys at the beginning of the season…

  9. beckzhere says: Apr 17, 2012 8:12 AM

    It’s not their defense that scares me. That said, I still hope we get to play them at least once early in the season.

  10. slowclyde86 says: Apr 17, 2012 8:12 AM

    What say you now, Drew?

  11. kingbeason52 says: Apr 17, 2012 8:18 AM

    so they are being investigated because they lead the team in sacks? shouldent they be looking at the late hits, hits out of bounds, and helmet-to-helmet hits?

  12. kegrun says: Apr 17, 2012 8:18 AM

    Screw the Saints.

  13. Nips Johnson says: Apr 17, 2012 8:20 AM

    There was an interview a few months ago with Smith talking about the way he goes about his business and the way he goes after different QBs and whatnot, and he went on to talk about guys that head hunt. He claimed that he once was a head hunter but then his mom got scared, and said, “You’re movin’ with your auntie and uncle in Bel-Air.” I whistled for a cab and when it came near, the license plate said “FRESH” and it had dice in the mirror. If anything I could say that this cab was rare, but I thought, “Nah, forget it. Yo, holmes to Bel-Air!” I pulled up to the house about 7 or 8 and I yelled to the cabby “Yo holmes smell ya later!” I looked at my kingdom, I was finally there.. to sit on my throne as the prince of Bel-Air.

  14. knowerofallthings says: Apr 17, 2012 8:21 AM

    The league needs to get on with it and hand out the punishment. Making the Saints wait until late April is ridiculous. Just do it and let everyone move on!

  15. xxwhodatxx says: Apr 17, 2012 8:22 AM

    I have no doubt the Saints will be just fine. Even if they lost Vilma ,Smith and Harper they have depth at all those positions. So it might be better in the long run to see what the back ups can do.

  16. whodat2 says: Apr 17, 2012 8:24 AM

    ……no suspensions can take place! How about writing a real article citing facts or an interview with the NFLPA or NFL on what evidence is needed in order for a player to get suspended. Clearly in the course of a game there is none! Coaches got busted because they put it all in power point. GW gave a speech, whooptyf’ingdo! Anyone yell out “hell yeah coach….I’m going to seperate Kyle William’s and by the way my name is J Vilma and I just put $5000 on Kyle’s Topps card”

  17. CKL says: Apr 17, 2012 8:27 AM

    I don’t think they should stagger the suspensions. That said, the whining I’ve heard that it’s unfair that Payton was allowed to “pick his successor” is nonsense. Nothing unfair about it.

  18. duanethomas says: Apr 17, 2012 8:30 AM

    Its not like their defense was the Steelers defense of 1975, and they have to replace All-Pro guys. You said yourself yesterday they have replaced Vilma and he has no role whenever he comes back. As long as they have Brees and their offense intact they will survive.

  19. shian11 says: Apr 17, 2012 8:30 AM

    The Saints, like about 30 other teams in the league, win with offense. Last I checked no offensive players were going to be suspended. In the words of Steven Tyler, “Dream on.”

    What did u check. The official suspension list. Last time I checked the head coach wasn’t involved either, but he is gone for the year. I don’t have sources, but what if they can prove that the nflpa rep drew breez new, wouldn’t that be something. We dont know what video or audio they have that we havn’t seen, but one thing for sure is, they have more than we have seen or they could not have taken 5,000,000 dollars from a coach. This may be more far reaching than people think, it may not! But no one thought Payton would get 1 year and he did.

  20. whodat2 says: Apr 17, 2012 8:31 AM

    By the way – Saints offense isn’t depleted and I’m sure plan on making opponents look silly on “D”. Once Brees comes in after signing his long term deal…look for Brees and the boys to light people up on the score board. If there are players suspended and teams get giddy….they be embarrassed by the end of each game! Book it!!

  21. kungfubillysims says: Apr 17, 2012 8:35 AM

    That Super Bowl you all keep talking about winning this year is going to pretty difficult without half your defense.
    Who dat going 7-9 next year?

  22. olcap says: Apr 17, 2012 8:36 AM

    Depleted due to their own fault. Can we have a big pity party for these POS?

  23. 69firebird says: Apr 17, 2012 8:36 AM

    Bree’s: nothing to see here… Move along, there’s nothing to see here

  24. kingfish4242 says: Apr 17, 2012 8:39 AM

    If the teams that face the Saints like to throw the ball,not having Harper in the Line up helps the Saints Imo. Coverage isn’t his strong suit. He was also the one defender that bought into Williams system the most. He often went for the highlight reel hit instead of wrapping up and making the sure tackle. Williams is now gone and haper probably isn’t that far behind. Spags likes to get pressure with the front four and doesn’t rely on blitzing to the point GW did. If he doesn’t blitz,Harper is really a weakness.

  25. marat28051988 says: Apr 17, 2012 8:39 AM

    Harper and Smith injured nobody and therefore also aren’t guilty

  26. weswelkerspornstash says: Apr 17, 2012 8:42 AM

    If he would have just used PayPal ?

  27. eessppnn says: Apr 17, 2012 8:48 AM

    Ok just a case of inmates running the asylum, but the where a really good team and won.
    Blame the coaches they are the ones in charge.
    Nobody ever said football player are nice, pacman,LT, and not the dude in the white suit, Ray Ray, Suggs beating and pouring bleach allover some women alleged

  28. istuppingyourwhiteewe says: Apr 17, 2012 8:50 AM

    jackntorres says:
    Apr 17, 2012 8:02 AM
    bluejays20091 says: Apr 17, 2012 7:56 AM

    everyone on the saints are really stupid
    —-
    Well you sir are no Henry Wadsworth Longfellow.

    I think you meant to say everyone on the Saints IS stupid. Everyone is a collective pronoun which means you use the singular forms of verbs with it.

    ————————————————–

    Grow up!

  29. crabboil says: Apr 17, 2012 9:07 AM

    ihneno840–

    The Vikings have had two shots at the Saints since that NFCCG. Guess what? They didn’t squat. How is the next time going to be different?

  30. timsmooth says: Apr 17, 2012 9:11 AM

    Be happy to face a depleted SAINTS defense?! That let’s you know how strong a team the SAINTS really are that people celebrate that they have a chance to beat them. Even with the suspensions Vegas still has em as a top 5 team to make it to the Super Bowl. GEAUX SAINTS!!!

  31. samoanjungle says: Apr 17, 2012 9:14 AM

    @knowerofallthings “The league needs to get on with it and hand out the punishment. Making the Saints wait until late April is ridiculous. Just do it and let everyone move on!”

    As the knower you should know that Goodell just loves to watch players squirm while they wait for the hammer. Then they get to appeal…to HIM LOL where he gets to deliver his all-powerful judgement yet again.

  32. admahadevan says: Apr 17, 2012 9:38 AM

    Roman Harper is not a liability. Spagnuolo comes out in cover 3 packages often and Harper would likely be covering the
    Middle where is actually not that bad. He’s bad whe. He’s isolated on the sidelines against one player. He’s a very sure tackler and pretty hard hitter who’s probably the best blitzing and un defending safety in the league. He’s a fan favorite and there’s NO way in hell he leaves new Orleans anytime soon.

  33. nomesayin says: Apr 17, 2012 9:41 AM

    Why is Vilma dropping $10G on getting Favre knocked out of the NCFCG? What a waste of money. Everyone in the NFL knowns that the trick with Favre is to keep him IN the game long enough for him to throw his obligatory game-losing interception.

    During the coinflip for OT against one of Favre’s teams (I forget which), Randy Moss said to Favre (I paraphrase): “C’mon homie…just throw an interception so we can get this over with & go home. I’m hungry, man!”

    The funny thing is, Brett Favre is the person who told that story in the post-game press conference. For the record, though, Favre didn’t throw a pick in that OT, & his team ended up winning.

  34. beastup22 says: Apr 17, 2012 10:06 AM

    I thought the league already had people checking all the game tapes for illegal hits. They sure were fining people for hits that WEREN’T illegal already. So either the league office screwed up, or they are suspending people for clean hits. This makes no sense especially since nobody actually got injured.

  35. tredog95 says: Apr 17, 2012 10:13 AM

    c’mon, most posters on here just don’t like the saints and hate us (their fans). bottomline, most saints fans expected harper to be gone. most even thought that will smith may be a cap casualty unless he slimmed down. considering harper played linebacker most of the season, it’s cool since we revamped the entire lb core. benson, get drew signed, that is all.

  36. raiderstotheship says: Apr 17, 2012 10:24 AM

    Jackntorres

    So the giants won the Super Bowl off an amazing offense? I’m pretty sure they had a great d as well, and I remember all the explosive offenses… NO,GB,NE, all get beat by teams with a good d, so shut up

  37. ucbfan says: Apr 17, 2012 10:26 AM

    I’m not surprised about Harper. I can remember seeing him on a number of plays this past year trying to intentionally injure players after the whistle. For example, during the regular season game against Detroit he twisted the ankle of Brandon Pettigrew long after the whistle which baited Pettrigrew into going after him and in the process pushed the referree – for which, Pettigrew was fined. Harper is Dirt-T!

  38. sdisme says: Apr 17, 2012 10:29 AM

    Just remember:

    When asked about the Giants’ statements, league spokesman Greg Aiello said that whatever happened on the field in the NFC Championship game wasn’t a big deal. “Players are held accountable for their actions on the field,” Aiello stated via e-mail. “There were no illegal hits to the head or neck area against Kyle Williams on Sunday. There was no conduct by the Giants of any kind that would suggest an effort to injure Kyle Williams in any way.”

  39. deathmonkey41 says: Apr 17, 2012 10:42 AM

    Will Smith should be punished for making Wild, Wild West and Men in Black II….oh wait, wrong one.

  40. cowboycjn says: Apr 17, 2012 10:46 AM

    kingbeason52 says:
    Apr 17, 2012 8:18 AM
    so they are being investigated because they lead the team in sacks? shouldent they be looking at the late hits, hits out of bounds, and helmet-to-helmet hits?
    – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – –
    Shouldn’t they be looking at flagged illegal hits? Because if you are hitting late or out of bounds or helment to helment would that not be considered a flag offensive? Problem is they were not flagged – so they must have not been illegal – isn’t that what refs are on the field for?
    Oh another problem – the Saints don’t have many of those flaggy things so how can we hold them accountable for wrong doing – so lets go after normal football contact hits and hold that aganist them.
    morons!

  41. vtopa says: Apr 17, 2012 10:59 AM

    So now Jason LaCanfora and the NFL network are trying these guys in public?? Are you kidding me? How is this legitimate. The guy works for the official network of the organization that is disciplining the players? There’s NO conflict of interest here? What a JOKE.

  42. amaf21 says: Apr 17, 2012 11:33 AM

    Hammer time Mr. Commissioner! Woooo!

  43. 4thqtrsaint says: Apr 17, 2012 11:50 AM

    Have pity on the misinformed. Half of the Saints defense won’t be missing for more than 2-4 games. Correction, less than half. A few of the players who will be suspended either no longer play for them or will be cut. Only a handful of starters will be missing. They have added 4 linebackers and a DT in free agency, all of which will be starters. All of the 5 defensive players they picked up were in the top 25 FAs. Quality, my friends. And while they don’t have top draft picks, under Payton, their top producing players are FAs, or 3rd round picks or below.

    P Thomas, Jimmy Graham, Chris Ivory, Marques Colston, Nicks, Evans, Brees, Vilma, Strief, etc… The majority were not top draft picks by this team. They have 5 lower round draft picks this year, 3 of which I believe, will be defensive starters this year.

    The offense alone is capable of 9 wins by itself. With Spags coaching the D, and with new talent added, how does anyone believe there will be a major drop off here.

    PFT can say teams are looking at the schedule and smiling or whatever. That sounds great because PFT is riding this team hard. But any team looking at the Saints on their schedule thinking the suspensions are going to give them an easy win, haven’t done their homework at all.

    2012 Saints are easily 11-5. They may not win the division or Superbowl, etc., but this is a talented veteran team that hopes your crappy little team overlooks them. Please do.

  44. tombrookshire says: Apr 17, 2012 11:51 AM

    The Fresh Prince was in on the bounties?

  45. xx4zu1 says: Apr 17, 2012 11:53 AM

    I’d be hesitant to pile on the Saints too much. Keep in mind what happened the season after the NFL “exposed” the last scandal. Brees isn’t that far off from Brady and it could get real ugly if they decide to prove a point this season.

  46. jimw81 says: Apr 17, 2012 12:01 PM

    I bet you the suspensions are announced by end of the week. It’s all lining up. You have appeals settled, the schedule comes out “tonight”(it will be leaked before 7pm) and then Goodell lays down the hammer by Friday.

  47. sfsaintsfan says: Apr 17, 2012 12:05 PM

    When these suspension come out for “legal” hits and they are nowhere near as strong as this site and the 4 letter network want them to be, the reaction will be fun to watch.

    Remember this one FACT:

    Over a THREE YEAR PERIOD – ZERO – opposing players were knocked out or injured as a result of illegal hits by the Saints Defense. Not a Single One!

  48. saints4evah says: Apr 17, 2012 12:13 PM

    4thqtrsaint

    you said it as well as anybody coulda said it. Stand strong. These butthurt folks in a pantywad tizzy are just jealous of our team’s success. The Cinderella story of the Super Bowl has just finally gone into backlash mode, and they want some flesh.
    WHo Dat!!

  49. tavia47 says: Apr 17, 2012 1:28 PM

    I a Saints fan, you want us to fail so bad you can taste it, but that’s the reason we are going to do so good. a bunch of whining azz people back off you itche’s.

  50. tavia47 says: Apr 17, 2012 1:32 PM

    error!That’s I’m a Saint’s fan

  51. 49erlifer says: Apr 17, 2012 1:56 PM

    The saints defense is terrible it wouldnt hurt to suspend all 11 starters, hell they would probally be better off.

  52. z0inks says: Apr 17, 2012 1:57 PM

    When this whole bounty story broke, I thought to myself, “That explains a lot about why Roland Harper plays the way he does.”

    I watched maybe 3-4 Saints games last year. In those few games that I saw, Harper personally caused at least three scuffles when his borderline dirty tactics drew the ire of the opposing team.

    I’m not talking about just hard hitting…..I’m talking about driving into players who were already down, taking players down by the facemask, or needlessly going after a player’s knees when a form tackle would have worked just as well

    But now we know he wasn’t deliberately looking to injure anyone; he was just looking for some supplemental income.

  53. bigshadetree says: Apr 17, 2012 2:25 PM

    “I a saints fan”, now that’s as country as it gets… in other news, Jada has asked for a divorce from will smith

  54. vetdana says: Apr 17, 2012 2:27 PM

    “everyone on the saints are really stupid”

    —-I think you meant to say everyone on the Saints IS stupid. Everyone is a collective pronoun which means you use the singular forms of verbs with it

    “It don’t make me no never mind ”

    ….so much for the lesson in English Grammer.

  55. tredog95 says: Apr 17, 2012 3:10 PM

    49erlifer,

    you’re right, our defense wasn’t good at all. i mean, we did allow your offense to score all those points….but what about that well oiled machine that put point after point on that ferocious defense after we lost pierre thomas?

  56. olcap says: Apr 17, 2012 6:58 PM

    Aren’t all these great Saints fans the same ones that used to go to the stadium with paper bags on their heads because they were so ashamed of their team?

  57. whodatgirl1 says: Apr 18, 2012 2:29 AM

    First off, I love how the story of Vilma offering the 10K changed from an e-mail to him offering money on a table. That is hilarious. Second, the commissioner cannot penalized the players without proof of payment. You cannot prove intent-to-injure based on on-field actions even if there were late hits, or high/low hits. Badell said the reason the execs were penalized was because of INTENT to injure, not because they injured. Unless he has access to their bank accounts, I find it difficult to see how he can suspend anyone. Finally, who are these sources that people keep saying exist? I think this is the NFL by means of the media, this story came from NFL.com and spread like fire, trying to make Vilma, et al look more convincingly guilty.

  58. whodatgirl1 says: Apr 18, 2012 2:34 AM

    *penalize

  59. pantherdan says: Apr 18, 2012 1:30 PM

    Panthers 2-0…..week 2……looks good for Carolina….Da AINTS

  60. kodakinvegas says: Apr 19, 2012 2:34 AM

    I must truly have an addiction to football. I torture myself during the off season with these boards and listen to the rantings of thousands (actually read them) of lunaticical fans, hatred, lovers, genuises, idiots, know it alls, coaches, players, QBs to CBs and some I think are even wanna be cheerleaders. Easy to tell fan from hater, the guilty protect the innocent, the innocent accuse the detractor. The main problem, theNFL season is too dam short! Each team should have 106 players and the schedule should be 36 weeks. (2×18). Have the play offs, SB, draft and back at it again. It’s worse than a drug. Drugs get you put I’n jail. Pro football gets you on NBC SPORT TALK NFL. Where you do your detox before the season starts I’n September. God, I need HELP!!!! Any shrinks out there? 

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