Sean Payton is cut off from the Saints and the league, in theory

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Though most if not all of this is necessarily implied by the concept of a full-season suspension, it’s worth pausing for a minute to contemplate the meaning of coach Sean Payton’s banishment, which began on Monday.

As Adam Schefter of ESPN explains it, Payton can have no contact with any Saints employees or any employees of any other teams.  If Payton has contact with any employees of the Saints or any other teams, he must communicate that to NFL V.P. Ray Anderson.

That’s fine, but as we’ve written in the past, it’s highly likely that Payton will find a way to discreetly stay in contact with quarterback Drew Brees, interim head coach Joe Vitt, and whoever the interim interim head coach ends up being.

Payton subjectively believes he has been unfairly suspended.  Brees subjectively believes that the team is being improperly persecuted.  It therefore will be easy for the two men to justify continuing their relationship via dummy cell phones or other electronic means.

For now, Brees isn’t even under contract.  He’s not an employee of the Saints or any other NFL team.  Even after Brees signs, good luck ensuring that Brees and Payton won’t continue to maintain a relationship that will persist beyond the conclusion of Payton’s suspension.

The real question is whether the NFL is willing to roll up its sleeves and chase Payton around and monitor his activities and ensure he doesn’t violate the terms of the suspension.  Even if the NFL tries, it will be impossible to prevent Payton and Brees or Payton and Vitt or Payton and G.M. Mickey Loomis or Payton and owner Tom Benson from talking to each other whenever they want, as long as Sean Pamphilon isn’t around to record the conversations.

91 responses to “Sean Payton is cut off from the Saints and the league, in theory

  1. It’s unreasonable to think that Payton is going to have no contact whatsoever with the team, but running a team is an active process. To have a real impact, he would have to still be around the facility constantly. Text messages or dummy cell phone calls aren’t going to do much good even if they are from one of the best coaches in the league.

  2. It may not be so much that Payton contacts Brees or in some other manner stays in contact with the team. It’ll be whether he gets caught. If he’s careful, he can probably get away with it. However, what are the consequences if he is caught? Another year suspension?

    Then factor in the arrogance before in keeping the “bounty” program after knowing that the NFL was investigating and being told to stop it, if it did exist. Has Payton learned his lesson? Is contact worth the risk of garnering further punishment?

  3. Payton can te in communication, but he not there day to day, that’s what’s going to hurt the most. As long as their communication isn’t overt I doubt the NFL cares enough to monitor it day to day.

  4. Maybe the league will rely on the help of real investigative reporters like you to provide then with incriminating info………oh wait…..

  5. I’m betting that Parcells comes in still. Right now, he and Payton are talking a LOT about what to do. That is legal at this stage. Payton will still have his fingerprints all over this team in indirect ways

  6. This is still a huge issue but I’m tired of Saints crap. Payton is getting what he earned, not deserved, but EARNED for lying and covering up. Williams should start looking at other career opportunities outside football. Who gives a rats pa-toot about Loomis. Get the players supensions done and let’s move on. There are 31 other teams in the NFL.

  7. There were coaches caught and fined talking to players for non related football stuff during the lockout. Sooner or later, Sean Payton will be busted and I’m gonna love it.

  8. Since Payton was soooooooo honorable when the league inquired about the Bounty fiasco, I’m sure this scumbag will be just as honorable when it comes to staying away from the team.

    Character, thy name is not Sean Payton.

  9. *****
    “The real question is whether the NFL is willing to roll up its sleeves and chase Payton around and monitor his activities and ensure he doesn’t violate the terms of the suspension. ”
    *****

    I am sure they are up to the task. NFL security is very good at what they do. They have even threatened legal action against a website run by a Saints fan if they did not take some posts down off their site’s message board. If they can monitor what goes on at a fan’s website, I think they are up to the task of monitoring what Payton does.

  10. If Peyton truly has character and respects the decision of the NFL, he won’t communicate as ordered. The $64,000 question is whether he does.

  11. Payton will violate the terms of his suspension, Payton will get caught, Payton will use ignorance as his defense, like the Bill Clinton “it depends what the definition of is is”. He will be caught and warned several times before the league will finally take action and then he will act like it was the first time he violated his suspension but that he didn’t know ……”Hey Rodger, I had a phone call coming in and it didn’t show up on my caller i.d. so I answered it and it was Brees (or Vitt, Benson, etc.) and I shouldn’t be punished for simply answering my phone”

  12. Some snitch is always looking to break a story.
    If he doesnt walk the line somebody will have it recorded. Bet.

  13. well if the league catches him contacting anybody he should not,no matter what peyton thinks,he’ll get suspended another year for starters.

  14. Florio is a joke, just like these bogus bounty charges…as a Saints fan, I could care less what haters write, especially bush league ones like Florio….there are other teams, Mikey? You still mad about ourSB championship, bra? What a joke of a journalist….failed in law, failed in sports journalism….oh yea, who dat, we dat, two dat…stay classy…

  15. It’d be smart if Brees plans on resigning, to wait until the last minute so he can continue to talk to Payton the entire time without breaking the rules. Although as we have learned from the NFL via the salary cap issues with Dallas and Washington, they would probably discipline Brees for “past” issues.

  16. Sounds like a good time for Payton to reflect on his past and what he wants to do in the future.

    If he comes back 2013 as the same person he has been, then a huge opportunity has been wasted.

  17. Even if he does get away with communicating, I wonder the impact he could really have. As others have said, coaching is an active process and to have a real impact Payton can’t just be calling Brees to have a meeting of the minds. Even if Payton could get away with it he shouldn’t; just leave it to the interim head coach who will do a better job because he’ll actually be at the facility with access to the team, assistant coaches, game film, etc.

  18. Payton is so arrogant he doesn’t think he thinks he is above the league. I’m sure they have already picked up the necessary equipment to stay in touch.

  19. It wasn’t cheating… it was a policy they broke not. Not like they were using unfair practices on the field like getting away with holding an no one else hold.

  20. this story kinda reminds me of the Vikings and their fans not ever winning a SB nor having a nice stadium and having to move to another city

  21. I don’t know what difference it makes if Sean Pamphilon is or isn’t around to record the conversations. Think about it……

  22. What prevents the spouses, partners, children, cousins from forming a “weekly pre-game meeting & post game debrief?………….Absolutely nothing!

    Knowing Goodell, he would make a new rule to protect the shield and cancel All Relatives’ season tickets and make them take lie detector tests until someone snithces
    again……

  23. Interesting approach….as long as Brees doesn’t sign his contract extension he can have contact with Payton? Hmmmm…..

  24. My real question is since Brees is not under contract currently, is technically not a member of any team and thus not currently part of the NFL, is whats to stop Brees and Payton from hanging out and shooting the breeze, so to speak?

    It’s been brought up a few times, but at this point its probably more logical that Brees waits and continues to master plan with Payton for a few more months. While they may not do much game planning, Payton can assuredly pass on plenty of other information to Brees now that Brees can later relate to the team, further enhancing his value as a coach on the field. I think Brees non-signing currently could be the best thing for the Saints, as weird as that would sound under any other given context.

  25. Cue the Saints bashing, Payton hating, Brees criticizing. This board is full of so many haters its ridiculous. How many times can people go on and on in self-righteous indignation about things like “punishment” and “arrogance” when they support a commissioner who cares about one thing and one thing only…the bottom line. You’re all Goodell’s lackey, shelling out your hard earned money for overpriced popcorn, parking, and jerseys while he makes 15 million a year.

    What I find most hilarious about these comments and the obsessive “thumbs up or thumbs down” clicking is that 90% of the people whining on this board would KILL to have Payton as their coach or Brees as their QB.

    Please…give it a rest…you sound pathetic.

  26. click,click,click,click= cash register ringing

    ok ok if we can get drew to sign that framed sports illustrated hanging on your wall behind you on pft live can we get you to stop the conspiracy stories.

    i got one for you how about inviting pamphilon to one of your staff meetings and record the many ways to manipulate the click o meter.

  27. Keep bashing the Saints Florio. Keep putting out speculation and what if scenarios..Maybe you should move into writing fiction..You are sure headed in that direction…Oh I so wish LSU was playing in Morgantown again this year!!!! LMAO!!!

  28. Phenomenal job of reporting here Florio…way to really dig deep for this news. If the guy isn’t showing up at the facility or actively coaching people face to face who freaking cares. Last time I checked this is still America .

  29. Another completely doctored story of which the mindless mass jump on and accuse the Saints of everything in the book. You guys are beyond ridiculous, seriously.

    This story is 110% speculation on what might happen. Yet so many are willing to once again call for the Saints heads. Stop for one second of your life and think for yourself. It scares me how easily some follow any lead, no matter how ridiculous it may be. That mentality is exactly the same as those defensive players on the Saints going with the flow instead of questioning some thing that were said.

    Will Payton have any contact with the team, NOBODY knows…especially PFT. As pointed out, Brees is not under contract so any communication between Brees and Payton would be perfectly fine. There is absolutely ZERO proof the Saints have some “dummy phone” system ready to enact so that Payton can coach from home on the coach while watching Direct TV.

    We are taking our lumps, whether we think they are fair or not. Move on to an actual REAL story instead of feeding the mindless mass who have nothing better to do with their lives than hope for the demise of my team. Saints fans stand strong…bring your hate and we’ll bring you losses on your schedule.

  30. Maybe what the NFL needs to do is frisk Payton and confine him to a windlowless and free-of-electronic-devices room for the next year.

    And give him a a pile of envelopes to lick each day so he has something constructive to do.

  31. Perhaps Parcells didn’t take the job so that he can serve as a go between. If Parcells is not employed by the Saints he could theoretically communicate with Payton and with Saints coaches.

  32. STORY QUOTE- That’s fine, but as we’ve written in the past, it’s highly likely that Payton will find a way to discreetly stay in contact with quarterback Drew Brees, interim head coach Joe Vitt, and whoever the interim interim head coach ends up being.
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    So now YOU can predict the future, YOU know exactly whats going to happen and have the gall to print YOUR one sided opinion here for others to read.
    Didn’t you hear the NFL will have Sean in shackels, leg irons and straight jacket with his mouth glued and lips sewed shut – just for you dummy. It would probably killl you to get a real honest working job huh?

  33. @TaiwanMike

    He may not be an effective head coach because he won’t have all the interactions that he would by being the building. But he can still be an effective assistant coach via those means. I am sure he has the means at home to study film and take notes. He clearly knows the teams playbook. There is nothing stopping him from helping the Saints install the game plan each week, other than the fact that he’s not supposed to. I’d even argue it might be an unfair advantage because that will be his only focus.

  34. purpleguy says: Apr 17, 2012 10:25 AM

    If Peyton truly has character and respects the decision of the NFL, he won’t communicate as ordered. The $64,000 question is whether he does.
    ====================================skinstidecubsfan says: Apr 17, 2012 10:30 AM

    well if the league catches him contacting anybody he should not,no matter what peyton thinks,he’ll get suspended another year for starters.
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    hate101: haters should have clear and concise knowledge of hatee
    sean p-a-y-t-o-n=coach
    p-e-y-t-o-n manning= player

  35. the Saints fans are in full denial mode….

    the press is in full hypothetical mode….

    will Payton violate the suspension? he would literally have to be full frontal, batshxt crazy to do so….

    he got a year / 7 million lopped off and he’s gonna risk violating that and getting another 6 months to a year tacked on?

    is he really that dumb? probably.

  36. Drew and Coach Payton telepathically communicate to each other’s soul’s at night. Eat that Roger.

  37. Pick what you are Florio…Are you a jounalist? (Could barely type that without laughing) Or just a rumor mongering hater? You certainly are about as biased as could be. Still waiting for you to write in one of your article the simple FACT that only one player was carted off the field during a Saints games during this three year span (that being Reggie Bush while still on the Saints)

  38. hugejazz says: Apr 17, 2012 10:17 AM

    This is still a huge issue but I’m tired of Saints crap.
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    Well, then by all means keep reading the Saints crap and then crabbing about it.

  39. Skype, anyone? Can’t be tracked. No records. And the NFL can’t do anything about it without a warrant which they can’t get because it’s not a crime. The only ones he’ll talk to are the other fined coaches, the GM or owner. This penalty of a communications ban has as much enforcing power as a referee at a WWE match.

  40. mightyleemoon says: Apr 17, 2012 10:18 AM

    Why would they need dummy phones? Do people monitor their text messages and/or personal emails?

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    Phone records can be subpoenaed by court order. With dummy phones, there is no link to any persons.

  41. “Goodell couldn’t run a McDonald’s.”

    This is a slanderous insult to McDonald’s managers.

  42. Obvious Payton has not learned his lesson by being suspended for a year, he still wants to go past the rules of suspension. Hope God-del calls him to his office again, after all this is what happened to some of the players that did not get it with the fines for illegal hits.

  43. nolarules says: Apr 17, 2012 11:47 AM

    Still waiting for you to write in one of your article the simple FACT that only one player was carted off the field during a Saints games during this three year span (that being Reggie Bush while still on the Saints)
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    Actually, Mike Florio made this very point this morning on the Dan Patrick radio show, so there is hope yet that someone will have the guts to challenge the NFL’s *conclusions* with the facts.

  44. timsmooth says: Apr 17, 2012 11:56 AM

    Keep the Hate coming you’re just fueling the SAINTS & their fans.
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    Well we all know what they used to fuel them the last couple years, that’s for sure…da bounties dey tackling fuel!

  45. Pardon me do we live in Nazi Germany or some other military controlled state. This is a free country as long as Payton doesn’t show up to the team facilities how can the NFL regulate who he has drinks with or who visits his house.

  46. @vtopa says: Apr 17, 2012 10:57 AM

    Cue the Saints bashing, Payton hating, Brees criticizing. This board is full of so many haters its ridiculous. How many times can people go on and on in self-righteous indignation about things like “punishment” and “arrogance” when they support a commissioner who cares about one thing and one thing only…the bottom line. You’re all Goodell’s lackey, shelling out your hard earned money for overpriced popcorn, parking, and jerseys while he makes 15 million a year.

    What I find most hilarious about these comments and the obsessive “thumbs up or thumbs down” clicking is that 90% of the people whining on this board would KILL to have Payton as their coach or Brees as their QB.

    Please…give it a rest…you sound pathetic.
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    Well, not nearly as pathetic as your sore loser comments after the 9er game! Remember ninerhaters dot com? That was a very pathetic display on your part, much worse than what anyone is posting on Saints threads…

  47. Florio, an attorney no less, and many others believe that the guilt of Payton, Vilma, et al. has been conclusively proven on the basis of what is tantamount to just an indictment, an accusation, unpublished at that, by the Commissioner’s one-man grand jury. There’s been no trial, no public disclosure of the evidence, no confrontation of accusers. Yes, Williams and Payton have confessed, sort of, but it’s unclear exactly what they have confessed to. Now Florio is taking it a step further and predicting Payton will violate his suspension. This is nuts. Payton et al. may be guilty of some, all, or even more than what they’ve been accused of, and posters are free to rant, vent, and prospectively accuse all they want, but shouldn’t a journalist like Mr. Florio be a bit more circumspect?

  48. The Saints should be banned from playing this year, Payton and Loomis should’ve been suspended for 3 years (each year they ran the system), the Saints should lose 50 million in cap space, and 10 1st rd picks. The city of New Orleans should never be able to host another Super Bowl again, and every team the Saints play should be spotted 14 points before the game starts. Drew Brees should also be suspended b/c he knew about the scandal. Vilma should be banned from ever playing again, and every defensive player involved should be suspended for a min of 10 games. Greg Williams should also serve 3 life sentences for his role in the bounty system w/ no eligibility for parole. Tom Benson should lose the franchise b/c he told to put the entire system in place. Lol! Who dat?!? Geaux Saints!

  49. “Perhaps Parcells didn’t take the job so that he can serve as a go between. If Parcells is not employed by the Saints he could theoretically communicate with Payton and with Saints coaches”

    Finally someone gets it! There is no way that the NFL and Dick-Tator Goodell could stop Payton from talking to Parcells and relaying messages.
    Thanks for not having your head in the sand whoever posted it!

  50. This is the same guy that got caught stealing pills from the Saints and blamed it on a “disgruntled employee”. Ofcourse hes going to break the rules. I only hope that he gets caught so the punishment for him and the Saints is doubled.

  51. Someone help me out:

    When Payton had his walk to the woodshed with Goodell at the League Offices in NY,
    was there really a guy outside picketing the area with a “Free Sean Payton” shirt or sign?

    Anyone…anyone….Bueller?

  52. Payton and Peyton are different people. If you use them correctly your opinion at least seems a little more knowledgeable.

  53. As a saints fan I regret the day we met greg williams his scheme has really made us look bad. But I’m standing behind my team until the end, and when we turn it around what then what you gonna have to say then you bastards , true feelings are coming out no one was ever happy when we won the Super Bowl All hater’s. The Media, Nfl network ESPN all of you full B.S.

  54. He ought to be careful… I don’t think he needs a “dummy phone”, but I wouldn’t be surprised if someone on that coaching staff would rat him out just for a chance at a promotion…

    My gut feeling though is that Payton can’t stay away for the whole year.

  55. @tavia47

    Dude, you couldn’t sound like a bigger “woe-is us-who-are-saints-fans-pu$$y” if u tried.

    Here’s the real:
    As a Pats fan, at the time the Saints won it, I WAS ECSTATIC!!!!!
    My worst fear was to to see Peyton Manning win another Superbowl and be only 1 Behind Brady

    Especially since his little brother has a permanent Rhode Island sized Horseshoe stuck up his A$$ and has EKED by my Pats the last 2 times out.

    Your view is decidedly provincial and narrow.

    BTW, regardless of the Bounty stuff, I believe the Saints were the better team in the SB, how they got there was a bit suspect, primarily due to the official not officiating well. But its all water under the bridge now.
    Hopefully that brightens your day

  56. Right now, Drew Brees is not an NFL employee (he has no contract). Legally, he and Sean Payton can be sitting on the beach drinking beer right now and there’s not a thing the NFL can do about it.

    Then, you’ve got Bill Parcells denying interest in the coaching job. He is not an NFL employee. This is the man who has contradicted himself MULTIPLE times to the media, especially when he has talked about taking coaching jobs. If he wanted to have any involvement with the Saints, the best thing he could do was deny interest to the media and come in later after spending all summer talking with Sean.

    In reality, you’ve probably got Drew Brees, Sean Payton, and Bill Parcells all talking things about before the season starts. Drew signs his contract as soon as he can, Parcells comes in as an “advisor” to get around the Rooney Rule. etc. Right now, there is nothing stopping these men from talking. Payton is banned from the NFL, but Brees and Parcells are not NFL employees right now!

    Yea, this punishment is really “working” so far. At the very least, Brees and Payton can talk all they want, and I’d bet $ that Parcells shows up in some capacity in a few weeks.

  57. Goodell seems to be setting Payton up for failure here — he can’t even attend a college game??? Can he play Madden on his XBox???? This is really getting somewhat ridiculous.

    Look, Payton obviously lied to the Commish and should be punished for it, but there is no logic or historical precedent for the excessiveness of even the nature of some of the Saints penalities. I’ve always heard the punishment should fit the crime, so I’m still waiting for someone to tell me what draft picks have to do with “Bounty Gate” anyway????

    Williams set this up: he’s suspended. Payton, Loomis, Vitt let it go on: suspended. Why should the Commissioner hurt the on-field future of the team for past actions when he’s already penalized…very harshly…those who did the dirty deeds? There’s at least 35 other players on that team that weren’t involved, so why penalize them…or the fans (who still have to pay full price for their tickets) by taking away draft picks and potentially hurting the team’s future performance? Affecting the competitive balance of the league is WAY BEYOND what a Commissioner should be able to do.

    It’s like a high school suspending your kid for bad behavior and trying to garnish the parent’s future wages.

    Should a Commissioner have the right to affect a team’s future performance for past actions AFTER he’s already penalized those responsible? Doesn’t it reflect that his motives go beyond punishing those responsible and toward ensuring the team is not as successful moving forward? And isn’t that a rather dangerous precedent??

    What about it Florio?? Haven’t heard you, Peter King, Mort, John the ESPN Weasel chime in yet on what draft picks have to do with Bounties and whether the Commissioner is starting to show vindictiveness or overplaying his hand here? Of course, that would be real analysis and opinion, and just not the same “herd mentality” style of reporting that has been so evident throughout this story.

  58. Dummy cell phones, incognito contact…can we all step back, take a deep breath and remember this is all just a football game?

  59. All I can figure is that Payton must have made or completed a pass at Goodell’s wife….

    This is getting ridiculous and I can’t believe the mainstream media is not starting to question whether the Commissar is starting to go a little bit overboard to ding Payton and the Saints. Of course, to maintain access most of the reporters have their noses so far up the NFL’s hinter regions that they would NEVER question something like why did Goodell take draft choices away from the Saints and what does this have to do with Bounty Gate?? Those responsible (Williams, Payton, Loomis, Vitt) have already been penalized severely, so why hurt the future on-field performance of the team and its fan base who are still being asked to pay full price for tickets??

    I’ve posted that question several times on here and twice in emails to Peter King but no one takes the bait; probably because there is no logic to it ! Want to take a stab at explaining that Mr. Florio? Or perhaps pose that question to someone in authority — since you have access and we ticket-buying fans don’t –but please be careful not to write anything that makes the Commissar too upset….

  60. all saints fans and fans of football should exit this site right away. It was better when they were smaller and not tied into NBC. All this power has gone to Florio’s head and it’s ruined the site and his perspective on almost everything.

  61. So if Payton talks to someone associated with the NFL he is supposed to self report himself to God…aka Roger Goodell.

    Asinine punishment by Roger Goodell…

    If the owners don’t get rid Godell, he will ruin the game of Pro Football.

    If Goodell really cared about player safety, he would mandate the use of safer helmets that cut the shock of helmet to helmet contact virtually eliminating concussions

    The NFL has been aware of such technology since the late 80s, yet Roger doesn’t have what it takes to mandate the use of such a safety device…go figure.

    Goodell is the worst commissioner the NFL has ever had.

  62. This whole thing is an EPIC DECAY of what a football game is suppose to be…………….
    Two teams warrior up with the biggest baddest players on earth to battle it out on the Gridiron and now we are down to this. What ever happened to real men ??? When one suit wearing man sits behind a desk and controls a Multi-Billion dollar Industry with the mind of a thirteen year old, God forbid what looms around the corner. Football as we know it will never be the same. Get use to it.

  63. nineroutsider says:
    Apr 17, 2012 1:11 PM
    @vtopa says: Apr 17, 2012 10:57 AM

    Please…give it a rest…you sound pathetic.
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    Well, not nearly as pathetic as your sore loser comments after the 9er game! Remember ninerhaters dot com? That was a very pathetic display on your part, much worse than what anyone is posting on Saints threads…
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    Good memory. I barely remember that, which goes to show you how little I care about the Niners and how much you seem to be obsessed with the Saints, thus proving my point.

  64. melikefootball says:
    Apr 17, 2012 1:02 PM
    Obvious Payton has not learned his lesson by being suspended for a year, he still wants to go past the rules of suspension. Hope God-del calls him to his office again, after all this is what happened to some of the players that did not get it with the fines for illegal hits.
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    What do you mean he wants to go past the rules of suspension???? Your interpertation of something is gonna happen that we don’t know about? How did he past the rules if his suspension just started Monday and nothing has happen yet??

    And for players and fines for illegal hits. . . Which illegal hits are you talking about? Because if the hits were illegal the ref would have thrown a flag or player would have paid a fine after the game. So you telling me if Y-O-U think its a hard hit, it’s illegal – maybe you should get a job on the field as a ref – thats what they get paid for and if no flag was thrown – then apparentaly it was NOT illegal.
    Why is it that some people let crap flow out of their mouths that has no logic nor common sense? How does it go – “Heres your sign” just can’t fix stupid.

  65. mdd913 says:
    Apr 17, 2012 2:31 PM
    How fitting that the post I just made about Florio’s lack of journalistic integrity was mysteriously deleted. LOL.
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    I fully agree with you on this one, I too have post that get pulled anytime you print something negative about HIM (F-L-O-R-I-O)
    Isn’t it funy how he writes all these meaningless stories of his opinion about how terrible the players and Saints are yet he tries to cover-up anythng about himself by pulling it from print. Isn’t that like being a cheat and only allow good things but negative things are hidden from review? Sort of like his articles – one sided all the time.

  66. truthfactory says: Apr 17, 2012 10:54 AM

    The real question is does he want to risk the chance of him being caught?? If he does, does that mean lifetime ban?
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    so sorry but there is no real Question when ur simply talking about guessing what someone might do in a givin hypothetical scenario.

  67. This just in…
    No matter how much mud and hate he tries to sling at the Saints, Florio’s attempts to change the fact that the Vikings lost the 2009 NFC Championship have failed.

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