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Vikings on stadium situation: “There is no next year”

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We’ve been making the case all day, starting on KFAN in Minneapolis and continuing on PFT Live, that the Vikings need to quit being so nice about their stadium situation.  Reluctant for years to say “or else,” the team apparently has wanted the media to do its dirty work, connecting the dots between the circumstances and the alternatives.

Now, the Vikings may be taking a more aggressive approach.  A much more aggressive approach.

On the same day that Governor Mark Dayton responded to the apparent failure of a 2012 stadium bill by explaining that if a stadium bill isn’t passed in 2013 the Vikings will leave, the Vikings have indicated that 2013 won’t be an option.

There is no next year,” Vikings V.P. of public affairs and stadium development Lester Bagley said, via the St. Paul Pioneer Press.

“The last governor said in 2006 we’ll come back and work on yours next year.  That was six years ago.  No action this year is a decision.”

He has a point.  With the Vikings facing a February 15, 2013 deadline for giving the NFL notice of intention to relocate for next season, the Vikings can’t once again wait for the politicians to twiddle their thumbs and/or drag their feet through another legislative session.  The Vikings need to know by February 15 where they’re going.  And that means they need to start making plans for next year now.

So, Minnesota, this is your wake up call.  If you want the Vikings to stay, you’ll put a deal together to keep them.  If you don’t, then they’ll give your regards to the Lakers.

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159 Responses to “Vikings on stadium situation: “There is no next year””
  1. pack13queens0 says: Apr 17, 2012 11:14 PM

    Minnesota doesn’t deserve them. They have the lowest season ticket base in the NFL. The other 31 teams all have waiting lists for season tickets. Los Angeles would welcome them with open arms. Nobody in Minnesota would even notice if they left.

  2. purplescar says: Apr 17, 2012 11:15 PM

    Been nice knowing you Vikes … so long NFL.

  3. tommyf15 says: Apr 17, 2012 11:17 PM

    The Twin Cities would be just fine without the Vikings, just like any other city would be.

    IMO taxpayers shouldn’t be held up for close to a billion dollars for palaces that only rich sports fans and even richer owners will enjoy.

  4. christhefish says: Apr 17, 2012 11:17 PM

    You forgot the third, and in our opinion, the most likely option. That option is that the Wilfs will sell the team. No owner wants to be hated for moving a franchise, and we believe that Zygi Wilf is sensitive to that. With a new owner, nobody can say at this point what will happen to the team. It is an unknown and unpredictable outcome.

  5. superbowlseahawks says: Apr 17, 2012 11:18 PM

    Move them to LA and into the NFC West, send the Rams and their 10am home games to the NFC North.

  6. armchairqb says: Apr 17, 2012 11:18 PM

    Does it really matter which city the Vikings suck in?

  7. kingbeason52 says: Apr 17, 2012 11:21 PM

    “steelersaresuperiorineveryway6welookdownandlaugh”

    STEELERS ROOL ALL!!! BAHHHAAAHHHA

  8. throwitupdogg says: Apr 17, 2012 11:21 PM

    If there is no next year, does this mean we are no longer have to wait for next year for the Vikings to win the Super Bowl?

  9. bigbluwreckincrew83 says: Apr 17, 2012 11:23 PM

    Sounds like that Mayan end of the world crap really convinced this guy

  10. binkystevens says: Apr 17, 2012 11:24 PM

    It’s sad that stadiums matter so much – I really don’t get it. Ive been sitting on a cold bleacher at Lambeau my whole life and have never cared about the accommodations. It’s the product on the field and the experience of the crowd, not the 60yd HD screen or sound system.

    Will the Vikings earn that much more from a new stadium? Maybe another couple thousand seats, corporate boxes, but what else? You can charge $8 a beer in a crap stadium, too. With the upfront capex of a stadium, I can’t think the rate of return has to be that high

  11. johnnyb216 says: Apr 17, 2012 11:24 PM

    I LOVE THIS!! PLEASE NEVER LET IT END!!!

  12. kacapaco says: Apr 17, 2012 11:25 PM

    Poor MN. They will lose profootball and enjoy hockey in those looong nasty winters.

  13. ndnut says: Apr 17, 2012 11:25 PM

    It won’t get done cause of elections. Either way, who said LA is the ONLY choice. I heard a nice case for Portland and San Antonio or Las Vegas are never out of the question…

  14. txtopsider says: Apr 17, 2012 11:26 PM

    As a former owner, I am deeply saddened, yet not surprised. Get something done Minnesota!

  15. ltkevin says: Apr 17, 2012 11:27 PM

    Good, it is about time to tell these joke of politicians that we have here in Minnesota that this is it. All they seem worried about is winning another election so they can spend more money on dumb a@@ special interest groups. We don’t need more art crap which they have no problem spending money on.

  16. apooster says: Apr 17, 2012 11:27 PM

    Same old story. None of the politicians want to do it this year since it’s an election year.

    I hope people in Minnesota realize and vote these pathetic losers out of office.

    It would be a TRAVESTY if this team leaves Minnesota. If it happens, no politician should get re-elected and should be forced to find other employment.

    People rightfully make fun of the politicians in Minnesota (Bachmann, Franken, Ventura etc.)

  17. monetdali says: Apr 17, 2012 11:31 PM

    C’mon Minnesota!!! This is the kind of $&@* that shows who ACTUALLY makes the ultimate decision…rich Republicans, unfortunately.

  18. fartweasel says: Apr 17, 2012 11:32 PM

    The legislatures of this state feel it is more important to play partisan politics than viking games. See ya vikes, it’s been a great, and frustrating, run.

  19. pooflingingmonkey says: Apr 17, 2012 11:34 PM

    This story has been sponsored by the Greater Minneapolis-St. Paul Metro Chamber of Commerce, the Minnesota Board of Tourism and the makers of giant foam “we’re #1″ fingers.

  20. wtfru2 says: Apr 17, 2012 11:34 PM

    Amen!

  21. jayniner says: Apr 17, 2012 11:36 PM

    FYI….no one can get their &$%t together here in L.A. to bring a team….if it does happen, it will be The City of Industry(35 miles east of L.A.) and not downtown L.A.(that place is ghetto).

    Signed,

    A sincere L.A. football fan

  22. ccad05 says: Apr 17, 2012 11:37 PM

    And the billionaire owner cant build it without taxpayer money why?

  23. packerswambulance says: Apr 17, 2012 11:38 PM

    Not giving a vote for a Vikings stadium because I might get voted out? ARE YOU KIDDING ME? You need to be voted out of office on that alone. Sid Hartman’s right. You’ll be a cold Omaha if that happens. Instead of Vikings games you’ll have a bunch of “longhairs” at an art fair.

  24. thankheavenfornumberseven says: Apr 17, 2012 11:38 PM

    Why do I have to listen to people disparage me and my fellow Viking fans just because two unknown state representatives want to score points with their liberal constituents? Polls show that the majority of Minnesotans want this deal to pass.

    Oh, and by the way, no one is giving a billion dollars to anyone. The Vikings are paying for half the stadium and the rest comes from an existing sales tax that will never go away anyway and voluntary gambling. I know those are stupid ideas, but politicians don’t like any of the ideas that make sense.

  25. christhefish says: Apr 17, 2012 11:38 PM

    “IMO taxpayers shouldn’t be held up for close to a billion dollars for palaces that only rich sports fans and even richer owners will enjoy.”

    A popular misconception. The stadium is used year-round for many events other than Vikings football. I do agree with you though that the taxpayers should get to decide and not be forced to pay for the stadium. I strongly recommend that they do their homework before voting as they may lose more than they realize were the team to move out of state.

  26. thankheavenfornumberseven says: Apr 17, 2012 11:42 PM

    txtopsider says:Apr 17, 2012 11:26 PM

    As a former owner, I am deeply saddened, yet not surprised. Get something done Minnesota!
    ________

    I can’t believe Red McCombs is commenting on PFT!

  27. simplesimon1 says: Apr 17, 2012 11:42 PM

    I know there are a lot of people making fun of this, I’m not going to be one of them.

    I’m a Lions fan and just went to Detroit for the MNF game last year from the West Coast of Canada. I’ve been a fan for 23 years now. I had never been there and found it so sad to see the downtown and how badly run down it was. Now I know there were other parts of the city that are nice, but when you’re only by the stadium it’s pretty desolate. I don’t want to see that happen to Minneapolis, even a little bit.

    I usually go down to Minnesota when I am able to go top a game because it’s only about a 16 Hr drive. The Vikings have been a very historical part of the NFL. They would be sadly missed.

    For the record, as well. I don’t think you all understand the economic repercussions of losing a pro-sports franchise. Yes, I understand the argument that taxpayers shouldn’t have to help fund the bill for a billionaire. But, the revenue that accumulates alone for the businesses close to the stadium is partly what keeps your downtown from being profitable at all. Lose the Vikings, people won’t come to Minneapolis at all. Look what happened to the Cleveland Browns when they lost their team. The city fell apart.

    Here’s to hoping the Vikings stay in Minnesota!!!

  28. racksie says: Apr 17, 2012 11:43 PM

    Well, I respect the team for dropping the hammer, but I have no interest in funding this. So now, the politicians are in voter hell. Vote for it, lose votes. Don’t vote for it, lose votes. I think it’s a done deal they are gone. And comparing the Vikings to the twins is kind of silly, because baseball plays 82 home games a year, and football 8. Entirely different revenue stream.

  29. coreyn23 says: Apr 17, 2012 11:43 PM

    binkystevens says:
    Apr 17, 2012 11:24 PM
    It’s sad that stadiums matter so much – I really don’t get it. Ive been sitting on a cold bleacher at Lambeau my whole life and have never cared about the accommodations. It’s the product on the field and the experience of the crowd, not the 60yd HD screen or sound system.

    Will the Vikings earn that much more from a new stadium? Maybe another couple thousand seats, corporate boxes, but what else? You can charge $8 a beer in a crap stadium, too. With the upfront capex of a stadium, I can’t think the rate of return has to be that high

    Let me guess, you gave a $250 donation to the Packers this year to help with the renovations to Lambeau.

  30. fdugrad says: Apr 17, 2012 11:43 PM

    “Rich Republicans”…. redundant!!

  31. norsedrew says: Apr 17, 2012 11:44 PM

    The “Land of 10,000 Lakes” used to have the Lakers now of Los Angeles. (We eventually got the Timberwolves to replace them) Yeah!

    The “North Star” state used to have the North Stars (now in Dallas known as the Stars)…(We eventually got the Wild to replace them) Yeah!

    The state filled with Scandinavian Descendants will soon be cheered by another city while the people of Minnesota finally wake up and cry out for an expansion team. We will fight other cities for that right and spend much more promising to build a new stadium for that team. Eventually if we promise enough we will probably get a new team (YEAH…sarcasm!!) In the year 2020 we will get a new team maybe with some great name like the Freeze or the Snowmen…it will never be the same…but, at least we showed the NFL and those rich owners back in 2012….Yeah!

  32. aoc57 says: Apr 17, 2012 11:45 PM

    It’s not just “rich sports fans and rich owners” who depend on the NFL incomes to their cities. Local businesses, people who work the concessions, etc – these are jobs. The Minnesota legislature needs to realize that this goes beyond the Wilfs – this is a billion dollar industry that has a home in your state.

    That being said – I’d rather see the Rams move back to LA.

    The Vikings wouldn’t seem the same not being in the NFC North. Great rivalries. Send the Vikes to St. Louis.

  33. coreyn23 says: Apr 17, 2012 11:45 PM

    binkystevens says:
    Apr 17, 2012 11:24 PM
    It’s sad that stadiums matter so much – I really don’t get it. Ive been sitting on a cold bleacher at Lambeau my whole life and have never cared about the accommodations. It’s the product on the field and the experience of the crowd, not the 60yd HD screen or sound system.

    Will the Vikings earn that much more from a new stadium? Maybe another couple thousand seats, corporate boxes, but what else? You can charge $8 a beer in a crap stadium, too. With the upfront capex of a stadium, I can’t think the rate of return has to be that high

    Let me guess, you gave a $250 donation to the Packers this year to help with the renovations to Lambeau.

  34. revroy78 says: Apr 17, 2012 11:48 PM

    Minnesota has a hard-earned populist streak and they’re not interested in financially subsidizing billionaires. Let’s think about that for a second; just as our states are cutting back on funding for higher ed and for other programs, this owner demands public financing for a stadium that’s used only a handful of days in the calendar year.
    That said, this whole thing reeks of Bud Adams leaving Houston. Lo and behold, they get a new team and new stadium a few years later. Vikings leave Minneapolis; there will be a new team (via relocation or expansion) in a new stadium within five years. BTW, the Minnesota North Stars give a good example.

  35. tommyf15 says: Apr 17, 2012 11:48 PM

    Simply amazing how pro-owner the posters here are.

    I sorta kinda get why less educated folks think the owners should rape the players. But when they rape US, the fans and the taxpayers, you shouldn’t just bend over and cheer them on as they go Zed From Pulp Fiction on you.

  36. flannlv says: Apr 17, 2012 11:49 PM

    Minnesota* Vikings

  37. santolonius says: Apr 17, 2012 11:50 PM

    those of you think zygi wilf will sell the vikings, you are living in a fantasy land. zygi is from new jersey. he bought the vikings because he wanted to own a football team and they were the team for sale when he decided to pull the trigger. he loves owning a football team. and he actually wants to keep it in minnesota for that matter. but if push comes to shove (we’re past push, we are now at shove) zygi will take the team to los angeles and never look back. but he will not sell.

  38. tommyf15 says: Apr 17, 2012 11:54 PM

    aoc57 says: It’s not just “rich sports fans and rich owners” who depend on the NFL incomes to their cities. Local businesses, people who work the concessions, etc – these are jobs.

    Yes, they are AWFUL, part-time, close to minimum wage jobs that are not worth investing a billion dollars on.

    Especially on a team that plays eight regular season and two pre-season games a year.

    I do think it’s funny that the Golden Gophers got a sweet new stadium, especially considering that the Vikings can move but they can’t.

  39. 7ransponder says: Apr 17, 2012 11:56 PM

    ‘Bout damn time Vikings – you should have done this before the legislative session started if you had paid ANY attention to just how terrible the idiots we have in the MN gov’t right now are.

    There’s still time, this isn’t over, and the race is now on and a clock finally started ticking. These idiots would be wise to actually, you know, ACT on this if they hope to have any chance of keeping their jobs come November.

  40. textexington says: Apr 17, 2012 11:56 PM

    Everytime I hear about the Lavender Larrys stadium woes I can’t but LOL. Goodbye Viqueefs atleast you chodes won’t have a bunch of trophies to transport! Go Pack Go!!!

  41. thewizardofbs says: Apr 18, 2012 12:01 AM

    The vikings could come to Miami, we need a football team here. Oh, Wait! I forgot! We already have one.

  42. realitypolice says: Apr 18, 2012 12:04 AM

    binkystevens says:
    Apr 17, 2012 11:24 PM
    It’s sad that stadiums matter so much – I really don’t get it. Ive been sitting on a cold bleacher at Lambeau my whole life and have never cared about the accommodations.
    ==========

    You’re right. You don’t get it. New stadiums have nothing to do with making accommodations better for you.

    It’s about building stadiums with more luxury suites and premium seats and squeezing as many common fans out as they can to maximize revenue.

    If the NFL actually cared about fans like you, no team would ever move.

  43. jluns275 says: Apr 18, 2012 12:08 AM

    I could see the Vikes being sold & moved to LA or elsewhere, and an ‘expansion’ owner returning the name to Minnesota. The NFL prefers to add 2 franchises at a time, San Antonio or Las Vegas could be good candidates.

  44. briang123 says: Apr 18, 2012 12:09 AM

    Once again, the Republicans crap all over the little guy who wants to watch football and be left alone. When you go vote this November, don’t forget what kind of scoundrels all Republicans are.

  45. thraiderskin says: Apr 18, 2012 12:10 AM

    As landing spot, why not OKC? they might not appear to be the ideal location, but they seem to take on teams really well, not to mention #28 is the Viking’s biggest selling point right now and where did he play?

  46. bearflagfan says: Apr 18, 2012 12:10 AM

    “No owner wants to be hated for moving a franchise. Tell that to Jim Irsay and the Indianapolis Colts. LA Vikings has an appeal

  47. contra74 says: Apr 18, 2012 12:11 AM

    Hey pack13queens0/gb4mn0, want to know what happens to your post when facts are applied from a little help out of the Internet? Here goes…

    Minnesota doesn’t deserve them. (In fact they do as they have one of the longest sellout streaks out there)

    They have the lowest season ticket base in the NFL. (Actually no, the Buffalo Bills have that honor)

    The other 31 teams all have waiting lists for season tickets. (Well no, according to our friend Mr. Internet it appears that only 13 teams boast waiting lists)

    Los Angeles would welcome them with open arms. (well, Los Angeles Times seems to suggest otherwise with all the red tape and local neighborhoods against the project)

    Nobody in Minnesota would even notice if they left. (Ask the hundreds of people who will lose their jobs if they leave.)

    You are so easy to rip apart.

  48. realitypolice says: Apr 18, 2012 12:11 AM

    @jayniner:

    You’re right- Downtown LA is total ghetto. LA Live and the Staples Center are down there and no EVER goes there.

    LOL- City of Industry? You think the millionaires and billionaires in LA are going to shell out $250k plus per year for a luxury box at a stadium in COI?!?!

    And again, you’re right- Anschutz Entertainment hardly EVERY gets something built where they want it.

  49. andrewsherylandharry says: Apr 18, 2012 12:13 AM

    I have lived in the Twin Cities for 14 years but I am British (where are stadia but Wembley, and yes the Olympics, are privately financed) and this is the most complex public financing issue. Some of you are right, the politicians have promised to get to the Vikings. The Twins (81 home dates brings more revenue) have been taken care of but so have the Gophers and where are they going? The State has financed many art projects, Theaters and a Library at great expense and they are limited use, bring limited funds in but are considered more valuable with a sense of elitism that is misplaced. You have to also remember that this is the city that has has a major interstate bridge and a major stadium roof collapse. If this was Russia or China we would be a laughing stock. There are other major construction projects that could put people to work and provide a service. Real tough one. The Wilfs have behaved well, a real tough one this.

  50. 4evrnyt says: Apr 18, 2012 12:13 AM

    Say hello to the Los Angeles Vikings

  51. outlawshark says: Apr 18, 2012 12:14 AM

    coreyn23, still trying to diss the Packer stock sale that keeps them in Green Bay while Minnesota fights to keep their team is pretty stupid indeed.

  52. bdickey33 says: Apr 18, 2012 12:16 AM

    Do any of the people commenting on how the rich ticket holders and owners not getting hand outs have any clue where the income in your state comes from? I guess that is why they are where they are and you are going to be without the Vikings and others that follow them out. There goes how much in income tax for the state of Minnesota? A sales tax which will cost your average resident making 40k a year maybe around what $20 or $30 a year? The benefits for the lower class far outweigh any extra expenses, yet jealousy wins out in any decision making. Use your brains!

  53. andrewsherylandharry says: Apr 18, 2012 12:17 AM

    thankheavenfornumberseven says:
    Apr 17, 2012 11:38 PM
    Why do I have to listen to people disparage me and my fellow Viking fans just because two unknown state representatives want to score points with their liberal constituents? Polls show that the majority of Minnesotans want this deal to pass.

    Oh, and by the way, no one is giving a billion dollars to anyone. The Vikings are paying for half the stadium and the rest comes from an existing sales tax that will never go away anyway and voluntary gambling. I know those are stupid ideas, but politicians don’t like any of the ideas that make sense.

    Big T Jack fan are you?
    Sure, many Minnesotans are in favor of it, the issue is the people who will pay the most for it. It seems silly, but having the team named after the state, rather than the city makes it complicated, you feel like it is your team in Duluth or Roseau but you don’t want to pay for it as if it is your team.

  54. mungman69 says: Apr 18, 2012 12:22 AM

    The Vikings aren’t going anywhere.

  55. braddavery says: Apr 18, 2012 12:23 AM

    I hope they leave Minnesota. At least that’s one less city the Bills could relocate to. lol

  56. Max says: Apr 18, 2012 12:28 AM

    Its just a bad situation for everyone involved.

    Zigi POV: He knows his market isn’t the best, ticket sales aren’t good, merchandise sales are bad, his team valued is 31 out of 32. If Zigi were to fund the stadium 100% with his own money, he would be essentially locking himself into a bad market for the next 20 years. So what Zigi is saying to Minn, is that he needs public funding to make the investment more appealing, especially since he has options like moving to a larger market in LA.

    Minn POV: Stadium is going to cost 950million. The city and state is being asked to come up with roughly 50%. So that’s approx 425million of your money to fund Zigi’s business. That does not sit well with the conservative republicans who are the vast majority in Minn. The numbers need to be crunched, how much revenue does the Vikes bring into the city and state via taxes, tourism, job creation etc vs what it will cost taxpayers over time to fund 425million. I am guessing those numbers have been crunched and it does not look great, it does not help that the city is not eligible to host a Super-Bowl.

    Fans: Not enough of them buying tickets and merchandise. But its not the Fans fault, we are in a recession, times are tough, not everyone can afford to buy season tickets. Therefore, we cant afford to sink taxpayers dollars into a stadium as well, when their are other needs state wide. Fans will be angry with both sides, some angry that politicians did get a deal done and some that Zigi wants to move the team. Unfortunately there are greener pastures for the Vikes in La.

  57. jason1980 says: Apr 18, 2012 12:32 AM

    It’s the Saints fault that the Vikings suck, and always have. Leave Vikings leave, and go suck somewhere else!

  58. thankheavenfornumberseven says: Apr 18, 2012 12:33 AM

    racksie says:Apr 17, 2012 11:43 PM

    Well, I respect the team for dropping the hammer, but I have no interest in funding this.
    _________

    Oh, I didn’t realize you were the one who had to put up the billion dollars. The only way you could fund this against your will is to pay an extra 0.25% on your sales tax when you buy something that is taxed in Minneapolis. Now how much are you really funding this?

  59. racksie says: Apr 18, 2012 12:36 AM

    It’s about PARKING, people. Always has been, and always will be. So essentially, Zygi wants us to fund his parking revenue.

  60. tomtravis76 says: Apr 18, 2012 12:39 AM

    Roger’s dream quote for his new t-shirt line:

    “The other 31 teams all have waiting lists for season tickets. ”

    Its always nice to hear from women who just started watching football last season.

  61. timsmooth says: Apr 18, 2012 12:41 AM

    LMMFAO hahaha Vikings suck LMMFAO!!!!!

  62. schartz55 says: Apr 18, 2012 12:41 AM

    Vikings fans (and I use the term loosely) don’t really understand what it’s like to have true devotion. Minnesota fans in general. It’s quite comical to see that state when their teams suck, the support goes bye bye. Making fun of Packer fans for buying “stock” is quite original too. Do you really think they think they’re “owners”? It’s all in good fun and everyone knows it’s not real stock. But then again, you wouldn’t understand what it’s like to be a true fan of your team.

    Terrible fans in a terrible city with a terrible stadium is just about right.

  63. pfpjschulz says: Apr 18, 2012 12:42 AM

    “Minnesota doesn’t deserve them. They have the lowest season ticket base in the NFL. The other 31 teams all have waiting lists for season tickets. Los Angeles would welcome them with open arms. Nobody in Minnesota would even notice if they left.”

    most inaccurate comment ever. but any surprise from an ignorant packers fan. all 31 other teams have waiiting lists? Wrong. if true how did 6 teams have blackouts last year? and as for fan support every game has sold out u since 98

  64. khmer379 says: Apr 18, 2012 12:45 AM

    Am not panicking like everbody else at the end if the day it will get done the Viking will stay put

  65. staffordsyear says: Apr 18, 2012 1:11 AM

    @simplesimon1

    You cant compare minneapolis to detroit or cleveland,those cities have been goin sadly south for a long time and it has nothing to do with football.

    Minneapolis is more of a white collar city that has been thriving for awhile especially in the last 10 to 12 years imo.I highly doubt that if/when the vikings move downtown will turn into a slum.

    Ps: i go to the cities quite a bit and its not to go watch the vikings.

  66. jimthebuilder27 says: Apr 18, 2012 1:25 AM

    You want a stadium, you pay for it Vikes. End of story.

  67. nflinla says: Apr 18, 2012 1:29 AM

    Yea baby. That’s what I’m talking about.

  68. upperdecker19 says: Apr 18, 2012 1:32 AM

    “realitypolice says:
    Apr 18, 2012 12:11 AM
    @jayniner:

    You’re right- Downtown LA is total ghetto. LA Live and the Staples Center are down there and no EVER goes there.”

    I dare any of you to walk within 5 miles of LA Live with loose change in your pockets. Have you seen post Lakers championship game “celebrations”??? Great place to tailgate, too….with no parking area.

    The vast majority living in the suburbs prefer COI as the site. The corporate big spenders will follow regardless of the site.

  69. lnfinite says: Apr 18, 2012 1:36 AM

    As a Vikes fan I have been patient and been staying the course. Now that the gov has gave an ultimatum and now the Wilfs, the legislators better cancel their vacation trips and find a way to get this deal done or face being voted out of office like a mass exodus.

    Many Viking fans have been like me up until now. If the Vikes relocate, we all know who to blame. Do the right thing bozos!

  70. usedtool says: Apr 18, 2012 1:39 AM

    “No owner wants to be hated for moving a team.” Ask Cleveland and Houston how that worked out for them.

    What can a new stadium get them? The Chiefs expanded and enclosed the “golden circle” which houses the luxury suites and now make roughly double the money from it. The Chiefs have huge parking lots and get $28 per car (the Vikes get almost nothing). KC is a smaller market than MSP but the Chiefs make more money (and have a Super Bowl).

    The Minnesota legislature promised to figure this out almost ten years ago and has been jerking the Vikes chain ever since.

    The Vikes had a deal with Minneapolis and the (Republican controlled) legislature refused to allow the people of Minneapolis to tax themselves for the stadium (so much for the Republican “belief” in local control).

    As pointed out by others, this whole thing is redundant. Minnesota wouldn’t pay for new facilites for the Lakers or North Stars, but will pay for new facilities the Moose, Wild and T-Wolves.

    Time to change the State motto to:

    “Minnesota, the State that proves you get what you pay for.”

  71. commonsensedude says: Apr 18, 2012 1:42 AM

    Better give the team what they want or else they might pull an Irsay and move out in the middle of the night.

  72. harrisonhits2 says: Apr 18, 2012 1:45 AM

    Oh please. So they taxpayers are supposed to pay for a stadium at a time when the economy is still horrible, everything from teachers to police officers to elderly and disabled are getting fired and dealing with massive benefits and service cuts and they’re supposed to give massive corporate welfare ?

    Screw the league, screw the Viking and screw you and the other press that want this disgusting handout.

    Let the mega billion dollar businesses pay for their own stadium.

  73. eegwaybeegway says: Apr 18, 2012 1:47 AM

    I applaud the residents of Minnesota for taking a stand, keeping a clench hold on their purse strings and telling these billionaires that they can find other ways of financing a stadium deal that will only make them richer.
    The Wilfs are convinced this will be a money-making venture for the state, so if it’s such a lucrative enticement, why not get some of their best billionaire buddies together and share the wealth. The catch is they’ll have to put some seed money up front to get it done. Seems like a plausible situation to me.
    The Vikings fans get the quality of life element of being able to fork out $200 or so to catch a game and the Wilfs get their stadium, which they can use as a centerpiece to construct their business-park development around.
    But kudos for the people of Minnesota to voice their opinion that the insanity of making the rich get richer because that’s just how it was done before doesn’t cut the mustard anymore.

  74. all32 says: Apr 18, 2012 1:48 AM

    If you wake up tomorrow and the team is gone will you remember…..

  75. racksie says: Apr 18, 2012 1:51 AM

    Oh, I didn’t realize you were the one who had to put up the billion dollars. The only way you could fund this against your will is to pay an extra 0.25% on your sales tax when you buy something that is taxed in Minneapolis. Now how much are you really funding this?

    About .25% more than I want to fund a BILLIONAIRE. He wants parking lots.

  76. racksie says: Apr 18, 2012 2:02 AM

    Terrible fans in a terrible city with a terrible stadium is just about right.

    So why do you listen Minnesota sports talk radio?

  77. billjaehne says: Apr 18, 2012 2:14 AM

    When i first heard of the stadium situation i didn’t give it a second thought. I had faith that the leaders of minnesota would know that losing a organization that has been around for 51 years would be a terrible thing for minnesota and it’s people. But my faith in my state has been lost. They have ignored the cries for a new stadium from both it’s businesses and it’s people. I always thought that the voice of the people would get things done but i have learned that it does not. I now know that MY leaders have something other than the people who put them in office in mind. To lose this team would not only be an economic blow to the state but an emotional blow to it’s people. These are the words of a TRUE VIKINGS FAN

    PURPLE PRIDE

  78. jimbo75025 says: Apr 18, 2012 2:14 AM

    jluns275 says:
    Apr 18, 2012 12:08 AM
    I could see the Vikes being sold & moved to LA or elsewhere, and an ‘expansion’ owner returning the name to Minnesota. The NFL prefers to add 2 franchises at a time, San Antonio or Las Vegas could be good candidates.

    _________________

    San Antonio would be good except that you would draw fans from Dallas/Houston which is not what the NFL wants.

    Vegas has everything going for it with one exception-the gambling/bookmaking. The NFL like other major sports are very sensitive to the possibility of some serious fixes happening. Otherwise, the city would be attracting teams left and right considering all of the tourists coming there with money to burn on tickets, souvenirs, $8 beers, etc at a game. As things are, Vegas has gotta be the largest city (from a population standpoint) without any pro franchises in major sports within a 200 mile radius.

  79. spawn201 says: Apr 18, 2012 2:29 AM

    The Republican party sucks.

  80. metstadium61 says: Apr 18, 2012 2:42 AM

    It would be a shame if the Vikings moved away from Minnesota. Contrary to what Packer fans have to say, Minnesota has plenty of loyal Vikings fans. If you look at the history of the Vikings, they have lost some very important games in heartbreaking fashion, yet fans come back to follow them year after year.

    Year after year I hear from insufferable fans of the Packers and Bears about how they are “real” fans and nonsense of that nature. There are fans just as loyal to the Vikings as those fans are to their team.

    If the Vikings do move, I won’t miss having to hear the constant crying about the Vikings from Packer fans.

    Go buy novelty stock in your team and pretend you and your team are some how superior. You’re just human beings like anyone else. Just because you’re a fan of a team that has had some success in it’s history, that success was in no way a personal moral victory by you.

  81. racksie says: Apr 18, 2012 3:00 AM

    Did anyone notice it is also TAX day? Hmmm. Yep, those are not going down with a stadium. Keep that in mind when you are complaining tomorrow about how high your taxes are.

  82. racksie says: Apr 18, 2012 3:02 AM

    And you are throwing up on the sidewalk in front of my condo. Fact. Seen it. Hate it. Love the Vikings, hate the fans. Drink less, vote more.

  83. thepatriotsaregay says: Apr 18, 2012 3:03 AM

    tomtravis76 says:
    Apr 18, 2012 12:39 AM
    Roger’s dream quote for his new t-shirt line:

    “The other 31 teams all have waiting lists for season tickets. ”

    Its always nice to hear from women who just started watching football last season.
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    I LOL’ed at that as well. It’s like she thinks the Jaguars put those tarps on the seats because they look cool….SMH

  84. northstars1991 says: Apr 18, 2012 3:08 AM

    I’ve been scared to death my entire life of losing the Vikings. Perhaps it’s time for a change. Obviously, we (as in Minnesota) haven’t done much for the league over the years. Perhaps it is time for the NFL to leave… I never thought I’d say that, but one way or another, I will find a way to cope with the loss. Let’s not kid ourselves, no body wants to pay for stadiums anywhere in this country and yet politicians have done NOTHING to keep fans from being hostages from owners that own their so-called teams. If the NFL decides to leave, I’d like our leaders step it up a notch and sign an agreement that bans the NFL from Returning to Minnesota for at least 50 years… So the NFL doesn’t think they need Minnesota… Hmmm You know, the Packers are owned by their fans, but I’m not allowed to own what is supposed to be my team… so stupid… The game isn’t what it used to be anyways…

  85. lilmiddle78 says: Apr 18, 2012 3:11 AM

    It’s basically rediculous that this deal can’t get done!! It’s not like the Vikings are saying “please build us a pretty new stadium, we just don’t like the old one anymore”!! The old building is in need of replacement or serious & expensive overhaul.

    A new stadium would mean lots of jobs for roughly 2 years generating millions of dollars in wages from which to take a big chunk of the tax dollars needed. The new building would be owned by the city and they would make annual dollars back on the Vikings lease among other pro teams (T-wolves & Wild/do they have newer arenas already?).. In addition to the lease value, newer arenas are hot spots for events & concerts bringing in lots of revenue as well as tourism dollars. One commenter wrote that Minnesota wasn’t eligible to host a super bowl.?.? Because the facilities are not adiquate!! As long as it has a roof, it’s almost a sure thing that a SB would be played there in the first 5 to 8 years, maybe 2 if they bid well!!

    Some of you are a little misinformed I’m afraid, “the other 31 teams all have waiting lists for season tickets”.. Not true!! None of the 3 Florida teams have a wait anymore and most games are blacked out for lack of attendance!! —- “Zygi knows he’s in a bad market without the support or attendance needed to sustain good profits”…. The biggest thing for these owners with new stadiums are the suites & luxury boxes, corporate support is the best way for them to make money while generating local support for the team! Of course they love it when a family buys season tix for 20 years straight but when a company like Target buys 10 sky boxes and gives out those tickets to employees, vendors, clients and as incentives, it’s a win – win for the team and for the corporation buying the suites. This is particularly ideal in the twin cities BECAUSE of the high number of corporations that have headquarters there!!

    New stadium in Minnesota would work out BIG TIME for all parties up there!! Honestly, for most of the “non-supporters” or “non-football” people who are opposed to the new building, they’re scared that they will pay dearly for a venue they may rarely use, if ever… But those same people standing in the way would probably only loose a couple gallons of milk each month in new stadium taxes but would be helping out their city in a big way!! And if you’re not a sports fan… Go to a concert or the circus or blue man group or Disney on ice or any one of the thousands of shows that the brand new venue would attract!! Find a way to enjoy the new venue or don’t, just GET OUT OF THE WAY!!

  86. ezpkns34 says: Apr 18, 2012 3:15 AM

    Love the NFL, but I’ll never understand why taxpayers need to fund a billionaire owner’s stadium

  87. jmweldon86 says: Apr 18, 2012 3:30 AM

    pack 13 u r the biggest idiot ever. Cincinnati can’t sell out a game with tix at half price. kinda sounds like u take pride in being an idiot. that’s just one example. once again dude go read a book

  88. fijabbersman345 says: Apr 18, 2012 3:55 AM

    @outlawshark

    LOL, for two reasons:

    1) The Packers only get to sell stock to their fans because they were grandfathered into it, so it’s not like other teams could do it even if they wanted to,

    and 2) It wouldn’t work for the 31 other NFL teams because none of their fan bases are stupid enough to spend $250 on a piece of paper. The Packers are smart for taking advantage of the “intelligence” of their fan base, and I would too if I were them.

    Go troll somewhere else.

  89. petersonisthepurplejesus says: Apr 18, 2012 3:56 AM

    I don’t understand why everyone on here has to hate on the Vikings. I’ve been a lifelong fan and I don’t get on other teams’ thread to bash them, especially when they’re on the verge of leaving their respective cities. Have some class, people. The Vikings have been in Minnesota since 1961, and although we’ve never won a Super Bowl, we’ve had some great teams and a devout, diehard fanbase.
    Personally, I will never ever watch another NFL game if they leave, I will be done with football. I will also make it a point to vote against every politician who lets them. The sad part is, as much as everyone is hating on Republicans, only one DFLer on the House Committee voted in support of the stadium, the other 5 were Republicans. It lost 9-6. I’m so tired of MN’s inept government, they’re so bad, they had to shut down all of last summer. If they don’t realize what an asset the Vikings are to the state of Minnesota, not only financially but emotionally, they don’t deserve the office they hold. GET IT DONE, SKOL VIKES!

  90. dumplingsrbrown says: Apr 18, 2012 5:06 AM

    Okay, so you spend say $30,000 a year locally (gas, groceries, clothes, entertainment and just maybe you buy a new car) and you do the math with the increase in sales tax. It will cost you a whopping $75 for the year. You’re not talking about house payments or rent, utilities, monthly car payments, etc that do not have a sales tax so most spend probably much, much less annually.

    That’s not worth a stadium that will provide jobs, and increase the overall local economy?

    Anyone who believes it’s not worth it….well you must be right. Because if that’s the case, Minnesota would be advised to take the money and fund public education instead. They are not do a very good job of teaching basic math much less economics. Sad. Very sad.

  91. eisman86 says: Apr 18, 2012 5:39 AM

    As an 11 yr season ticket owner this pisses me off.. we have sold out every single game for the last 14 yrs.. take away 60000+ at bars paying for parking and purchasing product at the dome every game that’s a lot of money that the state will lose… Everyone knows that nobody in LA cares about football..come on MN

  92. pcoisma says: Apr 18, 2012 5:44 AM

    khmer379 says: Apr 18, 2012 12:45 AM

    Am not panicking like everbody else at the end if the day it will get done the Viking will stay put
    ————————————————————
    Tell that to the Laker fans.

  93. negaduck says: Apr 18, 2012 5:50 AM

    stop blaming the politicians for not wanting to rob the taxpayers to pay for your hobby. pay for your own hobby.

    if they think a new stadium will make them profitable, then they should be able to find someone to lend them the money to build a stadium.

    standing there with their hand out looking for a gift is pathetic.

  94. sudz28 says: Apr 18, 2012 5:55 AM

    Never understood or agreed with the idea that taxpayers should help fund stadiums. I love football, but why are we paying to build something so that someone else can milk us for $8 beers and $120 seats? Sorry, but the OWNERS can pay for new stadiums if they want them. I don’t blame the folks of Minnesota one bit for telling the owner he’s responsible for his own ‘house’ if he wants a new one.

  95. megamite1972 says: Apr 18, 2012 5:55 AM

    jayniner says:
    if it does happen, it will be The City of Industry(35 miles east of L.A.) and not downtown L.A.(that place is ghetto).

    Umm, I don’t know what you’ve been reading but the Industry football stadium proposal has almost no chance of happening. Ed Roski’s proposal is to give any prospective tenant the land for a stadium free and clear in exchange for the opportunity to buy a piece of the team.
    You’ll notice that I didn’t mention anything about actually building the stadium because that’s conveniently absent from any part of the deal. Any prospective team will have to finance the stadium themselves which was probably the reason that they were leaving their current city in the first place.
    The Downtown proposal is fully privately funded and the naming rights to the stadium have already been sold. It’s a no brainer. The City of Industry stadium is as dead as that idiotic stadium that the Raiders tried to float before they ran back to Oakland with a suitcase full of Irwindale’s money back in 1987.

  96. gbfanforever says: Apr 18, 2012 6:13 AM

    I’ve always found mixed use stadiums to be pretty, well ugly and annoying, but the situation here reminds why they were common in the 70’s and 80’s, why publicly fund half billion dollar chunks of two separate stadiums when you could do it for just one? The vikings should have had a new stadium by now by sharing a venue with the twins.

  97. packercpa says: Apr 18, 2012 6:25 AM

    I would like to remind some of you that the sellouts since 1998 have been aided a few times, by corporations purchasing the few thousand tickets not sold by the NFL deadline. I also remember a few delays in the NFL deadline to help them also sell tickets. So technically the Vikings have sold out since then, but the statement would not be true without corporate help.

  98. gmen1987 says: Apr 18, 2012 6:39 AM

    Zygie, just stop with this political correctness and move the Vikings.

  99. preventoffense says: Apr 18, 2012 7:12 AM

    Christhefish said: “”No owner wants to be hated for moving a franchise, and we believe that Zygi Wilf is sensitive to that.”””
    ================================================
    After 30 years of working with business owners of various stripes I can assure you that the tiniest fraction care what the public thinks, not should they. If you want your life to be governed by what other people think, knock yourself out, but that is a sorry way to live, and typically results in bad decisions.

    A survey was just released about spending on proms (yes this is relevant). It found that families earning under 75k, but above 40k were planning on spending up to $1500 or more on the prom. Families with incomes above 75k were targeting an $800 expenditure for the same. Absurd that those who could not afford it would spend so much, but of course they are worried about what others think, so…….

  100. stellarperformance says: Apr 18, 2012 7:14 AM

    Unfortunately, this is a perfect storm of bad timing. All pertinent politicians are up for reelection, so count them out. Rich people are in the cross-hairs, the economy still sucks, and the citizens that don’t watch football don’t care if they leave. And they’re waiting to the last absolute minute to talk about it? Not a good sign. And it could’ve helped if Favre had actually led them to the promised land in 2009 instead of throwing yet another of his utterly predictable brain-fart passes. I’d like to see them stay. The only good thing that could come of them leaving is shutting up some of their obnoxious, superiority-complexed fans. Some of the good football fans in Minnesota would start following the Packers, and they would be welcomed. Some of the idiots posting on this site can go ice fishing and talk to themselves all day….their real audience.

  101. downslide33 says: Apr 18, 2012 7:16 AM

    christhefish says: Apr 17, 2012 11:17 PM

    You forgot the third, and in our opinion, the most likely option. That option is that the Wilfs will sell the team. No owner wants to be hated for moving a franchise, and we believe that Zygi Wilf is sensitive to that. With a new owner, nobody can say at this point what will happen to the team. It is an unknown and unpredictable outcome.

    =====================================

    I’m pretty sure Wilf didnt become an ultra successful billionaire businessman by worrying what people though about him. My guess is he couldnt care less what the people of Minnesota will think of him when he’s making hundreds of millions of dollars in Los Angeles.

  102. tombrookshire says: Apr 18, 2012 7:26 AM

    Let ‘em leave. Someone must stop the madness of tearing down buildings after 25 years of limited use to erect a money printing machine. Why do greedy NFL owners expect taxpayers to fund their operations when their own lives are a daily economic struggle? Doesn’t the team or the NFL see that now is not the time for a billionaire to beg the public for a new building that will make him even richer? Take a page from Jerry Jones book. He built the world’s most beautiful sports venue Texas style! On his own dime. Time for the Vikes to put up AND shut up if they want a new building or CYA.

  103. im2fast4you123 says: Apr 18, 2012 7:27 AM

    Obviously 90you percent of the people one here a metally impared. If you read morr into this you would know a native tribe has offered to pay minnesotas portion of the xost if a stadium as longs as the could build a casino in the twin cities. The tribe would get 50you percen t of the revenue brought in by the venue. No hows this for you, if the vikes get a new stadium ut would bring in roughly 4.6 million a year to the state. If they leave the state beco mes responsible for payin the 5-64 million a year to keep the dome running. Hmmmm…..to make money or spend it…..?

  104. longdrive2011 says: Apr 18, 2012 7:30 AM

    There are a number of cynical comments that Wilf’s goal is to make 100’s of millions in profits from owning this team. Perhaps this IS his goal, but I doubt it.

    In order to build successful team on the field, you typically have to have a successful franchise. Part of creating a successful franchise are the facilities.
    This isn’t about making boatloads of money. He has enough assets to make money without lifting a finger.

  105. im2fast4you123 says: Apr 18, 2012 7:39 AM

    Lol ok sorry about the spelling on my post above. I guess i cant multi task lol

  106. jimmysee says: Apr 18, 2012 8:07 AM

    harrisonhits2 says:
    Apr 18, 2012 1:45 AM

    Oh please. So they (sic) taxpayers are supposed to pay for a stadium at a time when the economy is still horrible, everything from teachers to police officers to elderly and disabled are getting fired and dealing with massive benefits and service cuts and they’re supposed to give massive corporate welfare ?

    Screw the league, screw the Viking and screw you and the other press that want this disgusting handout.

    Let the mega billion dollar businesses pay for their own stadium.

    ———————————————————-

    Couldn’t help but notice the misstatements here.

    You guys would NOT “pay for a stadium at a time when the economy is still horrible.”

    Rather you’d be floating bonds at a time of historically low interest rates, which would be paid from certain revenue streams.

    That’s how Miller Park in Milwaukee was financed.

    Minnesota really has messed this one up. The tea party nut cases have poisoned the well over any talk of tax increases no matter for what.

    You can thank those folks (Michelle Bachman, locally, comes to mind) when the purple and gold moving trucks head west.

  107. brilskin says: Apr 18, 2012 8:12 AM

    I’ve lived in Minnesota for 6 years now and this is the ultimate example of passive-aggressive “Minnesota Nice”. Time for the Vikings to take an in-your-face stand on this. Watch how fast they get their stadium.

  108. kdp59 says: Apr 18, 2012 8:16 AM

    San Antonio?

    I bet ol’ Red McCombs would enjoy that irony!!!

    as a FORMER Viking fan (had to let that HABIT go when signed on Lord Fav’re and kept no-brain Chilly as head coach), it is sad for all the long suffering local fns to see the team go.

    but it seems Minnesota as a whole just can’t seem to keep their sports teams.

    on a plus, Viking fans from around the country may have a little better place to visit in the winter for games. Not that the Minneapolis isn’t a nice small city..it IS. but a warmer climate in thw winter is always MORE fun!!

  109. Rockets GM says: Apr 18, 2012 8:32 AM

    If the Vikings move to LA I’d like to see the NFL move the Colts into the NFC north. The Colts were one of the NFL teams that switched to the AFC when the leagues merged. Indianapolis is NOT in the “south”. Green Bay, Chicago, Detroit and Indianapolis is a better regional fit. LA is west, but technically its also in the southern half of the US, so it makes better sense.

  110. Rockets GM says: Apr 18, 2012 8:34 AM

    We have seen this story play out before. Team wants new stadium, City won’t pay for it, team moves, City pines for another team and ends up paying MORE in the long run to get one back… SEE: HOUSTON OILERS.

  111. vikesfan4life says: Apr 18, 2012 8:42 AM

    Zygi is in a win/win situation here.

    1. The Vikings get a new stadium and he makes a ton of money.

    2. He still owns the Vikings, waiting for a new stadium while making millions upon millions of dollars as the franchise increases in value.

    He’s not moving the team and he’s not going to sell it. Even if the Vikings have the lowest revenue of the 32 franchises he is still making bank. To move the team would require him to sell part of the franchise and he’s not going to do it. I think with the threat that there is “no next year” the politicians will finally wake up and a special session will be called and this stadium thing will get figured out once and for all. Let’s get it to a floor vote and find out where ALL our representatives stand on this issue. If they really are representing the people… 70% of Minnesotans approve of a new stadium… a bill will get passed but it might require a special session to get it done.

  112. weisfest says: Apr 18, 2012 8:50 AM

    Wow people…Who is giving anyone a billion dollars? Have you not followed the story at all? The state is on the hook for around 400 million. Indy alone created 100 million in revenue for one super bowl last year…Not to mention the jobs it creates for 3 years. We don’t need those right? I am guessing the people on here blasting away at taxpayers paying for this are not business owners in the downtown or surrounding areas either? Listen, I give tax money in this state to MULTIPLE other things that I could care less about ARTS/MUSEUMS/ETC…Do we have referendums when they want to spend 30 million to renovate some concert hall? I don’t remember voting on one.

  113. ponder7vikings says: Apr 18, 2012 8:51 AM

    All you packer fans get out.

    There happen to be people that really don’t want are team to move.
    Minnesota would be nothing without the vikings.

    The vikings will get a staduim ziggy wolf said the team is not moving. We happen to have a multi million bIllion owner who if he has to build a staduim he will.

  114. clintonportisheadd says: Apr 18, 2012 8:54 AM

    The PFT planet is awfully dumb on this issue.

    FACT–Every study ever done shows that governments NEVER make back the money they front for these stadium deals.

    FACT–Wilf COULD finance it himself but wants to keep the cash to use on in his other business’.

    FACT–LA is 4-5 years away from a stadium IF an owner wants to sell Phil Anshutz a piece of the team at a discount. None want to. The Vikes have nowhere to go.

    FACT–The taxpayers of Minnesota HAVE EVERY RIGHT to vote on this potential deal. Why do the Vikes oppose this?

    FACT–Telling Norwegian Lutherans to “do this OR ELSE” is a guaranteed way to make sure you never get it.

  115. eaglesw00t says: Apr 18, 2012 8:55 AM

    “Why should the taxpayers foot the bill for a stadium for a billionaire owner?”

    Really politicians? Do you really want to use that excuse? Because if youre going to ask that, I ask this…

    “Why should the taxpayers foot the bill for healthcare for millionaire politicians?”

    “Why should the taxpayers pay politicians a yearly salary when they only work part time, and take 30% of the time off that they are supposed to be in session?”

    “Why should the taxpayers foot the bill for politicians airfare and vacation? Why are you flying from one state to another to campaign for another candidate, and charging it to the taxpayers of your state?”

    “Why are you paying $100 for a toilet seat?”

    Politicians should absolutely be looking out for their own constituents money. But they need to look at their own expenditures before looking at others.

    A football stadium will be used year round for many different types of events, and the state gets the money for parking and concessions from those events.

    Nobody but you benefits from flying around the world and spending an average of $212,000 a day on staff and security.

  116. taintedsaints2009 says: Apr 18, 2012 8:58 AM

    so long, and good riddance.

  117. longdrive2011 says: Apr 18, 2012 9:06 AM

    Let’s not forget the history of MN politics. In the 30’s they gave defacto refuge to Chicago gangs in return for the commerce it generated.

  118. snoop24 says: Apr 18, 2012 9:06 AM

    For all you republican haters out there……..I believe the committee that shot down the Stadium plan was full of DFLer’s. Remember Minnesota is always a Blue state……..probably its biggest downfall.

  119. NationalFlagFootballLeague says: Apr 18, 2012 9:13 AM

    eegwaybeegway says: Apr 18, 2012 1:47 AM

    I applaud the residents of Minnesota for taking a stand, keeping a clench hold on their purse strings and telling these billionaires that they can find other ways of financing a stadium deal that will only make them richer.

    sudz28 says: Apr 18, 2012 5:55 AM

    Never understood or agreed with the idea that taxpayers should help fund stadiums. I love football, but why are we paying to build something so that someone else can milk us for $8 beers and $120 seats? Sorry, but the OWNERS can pay for new stadiums if they want them. I don’t blame the folks of Minnesota one bit for telling the owner he’s responsible for his own ‘house’ if he wants a new one.

    =================================
    To all the idiots out there that can’t think past tomorrow with their BS rhetoric about the non use of public funds to build a NFL stadium, here is what a NFL city would have lost in revenue during an NFL lockout. Careful not to strain your brain.

    A study released last month by Edgeworth Economics highlights the potential impact of a canceled NFL season. The study states that every city with an NFL franchise stands to lose about $160 million in revenue ($20 million per home game), $5 billion total, and an aggregate of 115,000 jobs. The study was commissioned by the NFLPA. Taking it a step further, Buffalo mayor Byron Brown has gone on the record stating that the city, by far one of the league’s smallest markets, would lose $140 million in economic benefits from a season-long NFL lockout.

  120. holdsteady76 says: Apr 18, 2012 9:17 AM

    People who have the take that this is giving money to billionaires – the rejected proposal used charitable gambling as the funding source. The primary back stop should the gambling revenue come up short is a tax on luxury suites at the stadium. Only if any short remained would existing tax revenue be used.

    People act like their taxes are going up to pay for this, any tax revenue that MIGHT be used is minimal. The stadium brings revenue in from out state fans not to mention a probable Super Bowl and NCAA games. I feel bad for businesses downtown that will miss this revenue because of the political grand standing and ideological stands that prevented this plan from passing.

    At this point I actually think the Wilf’s are justified to move the team. They have offered to pay for a large portion of the required funding (more than most NFL owners have contributed, they have foregone their desired location (Arden Hills), and have been jumping through every hope we extend them and despite having a good plan on the table that does not affect Joe tax payer in anyway we still fail them.

    I am a third generation Vikings fan and my family and friends have always come together to cheer and suffer with the Vikings.

    Americans love NFL football and this state will in time demand a new team, at that time interest rates and property values will no doubt be higher, and quite frankly no NFL is going to fund a stadium 100% on their own.

    I think myself and number of fans have been relatively quiet believing that something will get done, that this is just politics and business as usual, something will get done. Meanwhile we have heard politicians say they don’t think there is general support for this. Obviously we have none to blame but ourselves. As fans and rational people who see the benefits out weigh the costs – we need to make our voices heard. Wilf is right – the status quo is no longer acceptable. Whether you are a casual fan or a die hard, or a business owner we need to make our voices heard NOW.

  121. bigpurple72 says: Apr 18, 2012 9:26 AM

    If I were Zygi, I’d build an open-air stadium in Arden Hills. 1) Save on cost by $200 million not having to put a roof on 2) Return MN football to it’s glory days of the snow and elements 3) Get ALL parking revenue and plenty of land to develop hotels ,restaurants – keep all the profits and F Minneapolis over, 5 years from now when you’re pulling in all that extra revenue, those politicians will be saying…ah, ooops what do we do with this old Metrodome now?

  122. binkystevens says: Apr 18, 2012 9:30 AM

    realitypolice says:
    Apr 18, 2012 12:04 AM
    binkystevens says:
    Apr 17, 2012 11:24 PM
    It’s sad that stadiums matter so much – I really don’t get it. Ive been sitting on a cold bleacher at Lambeau my whole life and have never cared about the accommodations.
    ==========

    You’re right. You don’t get it. New stadiums have nothing to do with making accommodations better for you.

    It’s about building stadiums with more luxury suites and premium seats and squeezing as many common fans out as they can to maximize revenue.

    If the NFL actually cared about fans like you, no team would ever move.

    ________________________

    You missed my second point. Understanding that the NFL and Minneapolis will foot part of the bill for the new $800m stadium, the Wilfs still need to pay UP-FRONT a big sum – let’s assume $400m. I can’t imagine they can earn a good return on that investment, even with 10k more seats and a few dozen more corporate boxes. There are only 10 home games a year (season + 2 preseason) – that’s not a big money making opportunity. You can earn more investing in long term treasury bonds. It’s simple finance, really.

  123. butlers91 says: Apr 18, 2012 9:31 AM

    (1) The people should get to vote on it. Then it will be clear.

    (2) I think this is much ado about nothing. The slimy politicians will talk tough until they get re-elected, then approve the stadium in December.

    (3) If they don’t approve it, then the team moves to LA…and MN should never get another chance at a team. They played hardball with the Lakers, and they left. They played hardball with the North Stars, and they left. Then suddenly MN builds new stadiums and gets new teams – though mush worse teams. Lakers and Stars win championships elsewhere. Now you want to play hardball with the Vikings? That is your right…but don’t ask for another team in the future…you clearly cannot handle one.

  124. buildit2012 says: Apr 18, 2012 9:40 AM

    Stupid Liberals….
    1. We are not paying 1 billion. The tax payers are responsible for roughly half. The tax increase is not .25 dumb @ss it’s .025 that’s 25% if you didn’t learn math! it comes out to be a few cents on your dollar. Big Deal. If I have to pay 2cents for every dollar that’s fine to KEEP jobs in my state.
    2. Zigi is putting forth the second largest owner generated contribution.
    3. If you are so ignorant to think that if we lose the Vikings we will just be handed another team you should jump off a bridge. There is competition as other cities would love the chance to have a team. When was the last time the NFL expanded you might ask? 2002 that is 10 years ago!!
    4. It’s NOT just 8 games it’s the concerts and events that will be held at the new stadium that benefit other parties as well. ONE Superbowl or a FINAL FOUR could generate 100’s of millions of dollars for the city/state. Right now we do not have a stadium that appeals for either.
    5. Local businesses will suffer! That is a fact! don’t try and debate it!
    6. Taxing million dollar players! I am guessing the STATE will certainly miss the $15 or so million a year it receives in tax money from players alone.

  125. wipackman1265 says: Apr 18, 2012 9:43 AM

    Now you Viking Fans can all become Packer Fans like you were before the Vikings came into the league ….

  126. mnsadsportsfan says: Apr 18, 2012 9:46 AM

    I speak for all minnesotans Leave we really dont care.

  127. norseman69 says: Apr 18, 2012 9:52 AM

    I have been a Vikings fan since 1969 and I bleed purple, however if they do not get a statium they should leave… They should NOT sell the team to a new owner and let them decide they NEED to move the team to set the example to the State of Minnesota…

    Now another point for those (and I hate to say) stupid people that complain about tax dollars for a Vikings Stadium… Hey silly the Vikings play a max of 15 days a year in the building…

    It is a State Sports Complex used the other 350 days a year by commercial, city state activeties, NCAA, High School Play-offs, Monster Truck and Concerts…

    I am sick of your political spin of funding for sports complex it’s like the far left or far right SPIN most people don’t but into your argument..

    Get them a stadium of lose all the tax base, jobs, charity work and all the other monies spent watching the game remotely at sports bars etc…

    The Vikings NEED to play hard ball and clearly communicate no statium deal we WILL NOT be playing in Minneapolis in 2013… PERIOD!

  128. krank00 says: Apr 18, 2012 9:53 AM

    I hate to break it to you ITkevin but I think NFL fans qualify as a stupid a@@ special interest group.

    Owners don’t pay for the stadiums because their are people willing to pay for it for them. Either in MN or somewhere else.

  129. das14 says: Apr 18, 2012 10:02 AM

    With the help of PFT and social media everyone knows what Minnesota is about. This is what it’s like people.

  130. cjw1197 says: Apr 18, 2012 10:02 AM

    pack13queens0 says:
    Apr 17, 2012 11:14 PM
    Minnesota doesn’t deserve them. They have the lowest season ticket base in the NFL. The other 31 teams all have waiting lists for season tickets.

    ______
    @pack13queens0 you’re an idiot. Do us all a favor and keep your mouth shut.

    Sincerely,
    The Land of 144 Consecutive Sellouts

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NFL_season_ticket_waiting_lists

  131. cobaltdriver says: Apr 18, 2012 10:04 AM

    You can thank those folks (Michelle Bachman, locally, comes to mind) when the purple and gold moving trucks head west.

    She had NOTHING to do with this vote…take out your frustratons on the Wilfs. If your neighbor wanted to upgrade from a mobile home to a double wide ,would you give HIM the money to do it? Would you expect your state politicians to sign a bill FORCING you to pay for your neighbors new double wide? Think about it…if you can.

  132. buildit2012 says: Apr 18, 2012 10:07 AM

    excuse me .0025% sales tax increase

  133. rbirving says: Apr 18, 2012 10:13 AM

    IMO taxpayers shouldn’t be held up for close to a billion dollars for palaces that only rich sports fans and even richer owners will enjoy.

    ———————————————-

    This is kind of moronic statement that has killed this from the very beginning. The Vikings use the stadium 10 days out of the year. The metrodome saw use by others on 300 days the year before the roof fell. Without the Vikings the metrodome loses money and will have to be subsidized by the city or it will close.

    Let them leave? I suppose it’s time for me to give up on the NFL. It’s not really the game I grew up with anymore. The twin cities will survive with out them, but mark my words, in a few years the politicians will be back building a more expensive stadium to lure a new team here. Just like they did when North Stars left.

  134. eaglesw00t says: Apr 18, 2012 10:13 AM

    clintonportisheadd says:
    Apr 18, 2012 8:54 AM
    The PFT planet is awfully dumb on this issue.

    FACT–Every study ever done shows that governments NEVER make back the money they front for these stadium deals.

    FACT–Wilf COULD finance it himself but wants to keep the cash to use on in his other business’.

    FACT–LA is 4-5 years away from a stadium IF an owner wants to sell Phil Anshutz a piece of the team at a discount. None want to. The Vikes have nowhere to go.

    FACT–The taxpayers of Minnesota HAVE EVERY RIGHT to vote on this potential deal. Why do the Vikes oppose this?

    FACT–Telling Norwegian Lutherans to “do this OR ELSE” is a guaranteed way to make sure you never get it.

    ———————————————-

    Did the USA stop being about capitalism? Did we become a communist state when I wasnt looking?

    There are other locations that WILL pay 50% of the bill for a new stadium. Why would Wilf pay the entire bill when he doesnt have to? His objective is to make money off of the Minnesota Vikings. It isnt the March of Dimes or something. It is a For Profit venture. He has never said it wasnt.

    What studies are you referring to that say the cities dont make back the money? Between income tax and sales tax, they absolutely DO get their money back. It is just a matter of how long it takes.

    Personally, I dont care one way or the other on this deal. But I feel bad for local Vikings fans. I grew up 10 minutes from Veterans Stadium. If the Eagles moved instead of building Lincoln Financial Field, I would have been super ticked. I dont want to see Minnesota fans go through that simply because its an election year or because of political motives.

  135. jm91rs says: Apr 18, 2012 10:27 AM

    Cincinnati is a prime example of what will happen if you give your sales tax revenue to the Vikings stadium. That money needs to be used for other projects. The county here is in major debt, it’s accumulating interest faster than it’s paying and there’s a good chance the county will have to declare bankruptcy. If the county declares, the city of Cincinnati is screwed. All because we just couldn’t live without an NFL franchise (if that’s what we want to call the Bengals).

    Trust me. The battle to maintain basic functions in the future (jails, hospitals) won’t be worth the “joy” of having an NFL team stick around on your dime. Let them leave and never look back.

  136. jm91rs says: Apr 18, 2012 10:30 AM

    Also, the big tragedy here is that these cities didn’t force Football and Baseball teams to share a stadium. Instead of spending twice the money on one for each you could have made one killer stadium that worked great for both. The twins have a nice stadium and if they would have agreed to share it with the Vikes this wouldn’t be an issue at all.

  137. ruvelligwebuike says: Apr 18, 2012 10:33 AM

    “FACT–Telling Norwegian Lutherans to “do this OR ELSE” is a guaranteed way to make sure you never get it.”
    —————————

    Exactly. And this is why Minnesota is the laughing stalk of the entire world. They think burying money in a mason jar in the backyard will guarantee it’s safe. They are scared of confrontation, so they smile and nod and nothing ever gets done.

    And they think that even though the State gets to use the stadium for the other 350 days, makes money on all of the tax revenue ($20M a year alone on salaries related to the Vikings operation), makes money on all of the booze, food, merchandise and everything else football related in the state, not to mention a Super Bowl or Final Four…that they shouldn’t have to pay even a .025% sales tax increase?

    “Yah, he’s rich. He can pay fer da dam ting.” Nice brain.

  138. thejuddstir says: Apr 18, 2012 10:42 AM

    Maybe the Vikings and the other 30 teams should get the ok to print phoney stock certificates like “only” the Packers get to do, then we would never have to worry about NFL teams wanting a taxpayer paid stadium. There is no sense of fairness what-so-ever when all 32 teams don’t have to play by the same rules. I would hate to see the Vikings be forced to leave Minny, just as I hated to see the Brown and Colts leave their original cities. I read stats where the NFL states that the Vikings are their 13th largest market out of the 32 teams so I wouldn’t be surprised if the NFL pressures the Vikings to keep working with the idiots in the Minny Legislature as the NFL doesn’t want them to move.

  139. eaglesw00t says: Apr 18, 2012 11:05 AM

    jm91rs says:
    Apr 18, 2012 10:27 AM
    Cincinnati is a prime example of what will happen if you give your sales tax revenue to the Vikings stadium. That money needs to be used for other projects. The county here is in major debt, it’s accumulating interest faster than it’s paying and there’s a good chance the county will have to declare bankruptcy. If the county declares, the city of Cincinnati is screwed. All because we just couldn’t live without an NFL franchise (if that’s what we want to call the Bengals).

    Trust me. The battle to maintain basic functions in the future (jails, hospitals) won’t be worth the “joy” of having an NFL team stick around on your dime. Let them leave and never look back.

    —————————————–

    Except Minnesota wont be taking money from regular taxes to pay for this. They are taking money from an extra 0.25% sales tax, and from a gambling tax.

    Perhaps you should have an idea what you are talking about before you spout off about it. It makes you look bad.

  140. thankheavenfornumberseven says: Apr 18, 2012 11:09 AM

    briang123 says:Apr 18, 2012 12:09 AM

    Once again, the Republicans crap all over the little guy who wants to watch football and be left alone. When you go vote this November, don’t forget what kind of scoundrels all Republicans are.
    _________

    The committee vote that killed this was 6 for and 9 against. Only one Democrat voted for it. The ratio voting against it was 5 Democrats, 4 Republicans. I know you can’t handle facts because of your political leaning, but maybe someone else will appreciate it.

  141. rabbdogg says: Apr 18, 2012 12:22 PM

    vikeQueens fans need to stop worrying about the saints and start worrying about your LA VIKINGS..lol..and dont worry about when it “rains” in louisiana and worry about when it rains in minnesota and that dollar store tent u call a stadium falls in on itself again..clowns!..lol

  142. dcviking says: Apr 18, 2012 2:06 PM

    rabbdogg says: Apr 18, 2012 12:22 PM

    vikeQueens fans need to stop worrying about the saints and start worrying about your LA VIKINGS..lol..and dont worry about when it “rains” in louisiana and worry about when it rains in minnesota and that dollar store tent u call a stadium falls in on itself again..clowns!..lol
    —————————————-

    Yeah, I’d be real proud of what “happens” in the Superdome when it “rains”…but I guess that the true colors coming out in the people down there….

  143. canonroad says: Apr 18, 2012 2:11 PM

    I’m just sick to my stomach about this all. It’s gotten very old listening to everyone go back and forth. This goes for both our elected officials and run of the mill MN residents. There have been so many misleading reports that twist the details in a way that NO ONE really knows what is happening.

    For those who say: “I’m not a fan, so I shouldn’t pay for it.” I gauraentee there is something else you do participate in, enjoy or support that others have helped foot the bill for. “MN is better than a team with character issues and a greedy owner. We’re #2 in the nation for preforming arts theaters….” Yes, theaters that were built with contributions from Tax Payers. Yes…it’s true. Do your homework.

    For the GB fans who claim that they’re the greatest organization to ever walk the earth because ‘this would never happen in GB.’ Please. You are so short sighted you can’t see past your nose. GB cannot be compared to Minneapolis. In fact, no city in WI can be compared to the Twin Cities. It’s pretty easy to have a stadium in a town where NOTHING ELSE EXISTS. Of course you choose to support the team- what the hell else would you have to do without them? You’re Governor has been under fire for more than a year at this point, and you seem to think our state is mismanaged? Yet, MN is sooooooo awful that you come here to go to school, you come here for jobs, and then you act like WI is some promised land guarded by golden gates!

    Blah. I realize this will be scoffed at, and replied to calling use Vikqueens, or PurpleMunchers or some other “witty,” remark. Feel free. This is only a rant to get it off my mind….you can all go back to talking about the packers and cheese- WHAT ELSE IS THERE?

  144. cobaltdriver says: Apr 18, 2012 2:24 PM

    There happen to be people that really don’t want are team to move.
    Minnesota would be nothing without the vikings.

    “are team? “Minnesota would be nothing without the vikings?” Are you 12? Seriously.

  145. theytukrjobs says: Apr 18, 2012 2:33 PM

    The cost of the stadium over 30 years of use the State gets out of it is small. The team is well worth keeping based on how important it is to so many people.

    The problems with getting something done are as follows:

    1) Inability to agree to terms. This state owned facility will only be used by the team 10 days a year, so how much of the facility does the team pay for? Vikings think 40% for 3% of the year is reasonable. Some politicians do not.

    2) The simple fact that the Vikings stadium doesn’t benefit everyone, and therefore those people it does not benefit get pleasure in seeing it go away. Some people just like to see others lose things. Simple as that.

    I will personally be voting against all incumbents during this election. Viking nation should all do the same. We have horrendous representation currently and the only chance we have is if we clean house.

  146. ruvelligwebuike says: Apr 18, 2012 2:39 PM

    “GB cannot be compared to Minneapolis. In fact, no city in WI can be compared to the Twin Cities. It’s pretty easy to have a stadium in a town where NOTHING ELSE EXISTS. Of course you choose to support the team- what the hell else would you have to do without them? ”
    ————————

    Did I call it on the other thread or what?!?!? THIS is why everyone trashes Minnesota! In a Minnesotans eyes, there is no hiking, fishing, golf, art, theatre, etc anywhere else but Minnesota. Really, son, no Wisconsin city compares to the Twin Cities?

    Milwaukee-Pop. 594, 833
    Madison-Pop. 233,209

    Compared to 383,00 in Minneapolis and 285,000 in St. Paul. Not to mention Wisconsin is a much more populous state in general.

    Bucks, Brewers, Badgers…speaking of Badgers…care to post some facts to back your “go to our schools” claim? WAY more Minnesota kids attend college in Wisconsin than the other way around. Look it up.

  147. pack13queens0 says: Apr 18, 2012 2:58 PM

    The only reason for the 144 game sellout streak is because 130 of them were last minute buyouts. The other 14 were against the Packers. Last October’s game it was 60-75% Packer fans. And the TV ratings for Queens games in Minnesota are awful.

  148. ilovefoolsball says: Apr 18, 2012 3:17 PM

    Man if Vikings fans are still whining from the NFCCG against the Saints a few years ago they’re going to need to be monitored for years with supervision after the Vikings leave Minny.

    The Vikings were my favorite team growing up besides the Saints, then after I saw the utter pathetic whining behavior after that NFCCG I lost all respect for the organization and the fans.

    I look forward to them becoming the next team in Los Angeles. They share the same colors as the Lakers and L.A. Vikings just has a nice ring to it.

  149. brilskin says: Apr 18, 2012 3:24 PM

    spawn201 says:
    Apr 18, 2012 2:29 AM
    The Republican party sucks

    5 out of the 6 who voted against it were Democrats…. Not sure I’m getting your point spawn201.

  150. thankheavenfornumberseven says: Apr 18, 2012 3:33 PM

    pack13queens0 says:Apr 18, 2012 2:58 PM

    The only reason for the 144 game sellout streak is because 130 of them were last minute buyouts. The other 14 were against the Packers. And the TV ratings for Queens games in Minnesota are awful.
    ____

    What is with the pathological need for Packer fans to lie about how popular the Vikings are? In 2010, the Vikings were 6th in the NFL in local TV ratings. The first half of your comment is just stupid. Talk about an inferiority complex.

  151. canonroad says: Apr 18, 2012 4:02 PM

    Did I call it on the other thread or what?!?!? THIS is why everyone trashes Minnesota! In a Minnesotans eyes, there is no hiking, fishing, golf, art, theatre, etc anywhere else but Minnesota. Really, son, no Wisconsin city compares to the Twin Cities?

    Milwaukee-Pop. 594, 833
    Madison-Pop. 233,209

    Compared to 383,00 in Minneapolis and 285,000 in St. Paul. Not to mention Wisconsin is a much more populous state in general.

    Bucks, Brewers, Badgers…speaking of Badgers…care to post some facts to back your “go to our schools” claim? WAY more Minnesota kids attend college in Wisconsin than the other way around. Look it up.

    ___________________________________

    I’m not your son.

    If you’d really like to get in a state by state comparison- I can do it all day long. THIS is why everyone laughs at Wisconsin.

    I didn’t do a lot of research on this- I hope you wouldn’t expect me to. It’s silly to expect a shouting match on a blog is going to solve much. But, I hope you come back to read this.

    There is about 75 miles between Milwaukee and Madison- right? The population is nice, but we’re talking about two MAJOR metropolitan areas that are only separated by 10 miles at most when looking at STP and MPLS.

    Even more so- I never said you couldn’t hike, camp, fish, hunt or do anything else in WI. I’ve actually enjoyed doing all of those while in WI. However you can’t compete when it comes to fortune 500 companies HQ’d in the area. Best Buy, Target, Cargil, MedTronic, 3M, United Health Group- all just off the top of my head.

    Additionally- let’s just look at a rank of ‘best states to live in': WI = 24th, MN = 5th. Source: Forbes.

  152. stavreafavre says: Apr 18, 2012 4:09 PM

    Kind of feeling sorry for Viking fans. Very strange feeling, don’t like it…

  153. dcviking says: Apr 18, 2012 4:14 PM

    ilovefoolsball says: Apr 18, 2012 3:17 PM

    Man if Vikings fans are still whining from the NFCCG against the Saints a few years ago they’re going to need to be monitored for years with supervision after the Vikings leave Minny.

    The Vikings were my favorite team growing up besides the Saints, then after I saw the utter pathetic whining behavior after that NFCCG I lost all respect for the organization and the fans.

    I look forward to them becoming the next team in Los Angeles. They share the same colors as the Lakers and L.A. Vikings just has a nice ring to it.
    ————————————————-

    That’s funny — I didn’t dislike the Saints until I saw how completely classless their fans were after winning the NFCCG, and how suddenly New Orleans became “Green Bay South” or “Pittsburgh South”.

  154. broncos27 says: Apr 18, 2012 6:19 PM

    Ahem…correction on that last one…

    “everything is better in Minnesota THAN in Wisconsin…”

    Now CO on the other had…my favoritism lies with my state. :)

  155. contra74 says: Apr 18, 2012 6:43 PM

    canonroad says:Apr 18, 2012 4:02 PM

    Additionally- let’s just look at a rank of ‘best states to live in’: WI = 24th, MN = 5th. Source: Forbes.
    ———-
    Want to know what they key was to this valid point? A valuable source, not some trash spewed out of a mindless fool. Well done canonroad!

  156. 2blackaces says: Apr 18, 2012 9:50 PM

    As a resident of MN I can honestly say we have the worst state government in the ENTIRE COUNTRY! We have had 2 state shutdowns in the past 10 years! Really? Really? We have the 7th highest tax burden in the country and we continue to borrow money against the SCHOOL funding?

    The proposed plans have actually been shut down by the the Dumbocrats. In the vote Monday, 5 repbulicans and 1 dumbocrat voted in favor of moving the issue to the house floor, so get your facts right! What pisses me off the most is the fact that BOTH parties are unwilling to utilize a proposed $400+ million dollar payment by a Indian tribe to build another casino. Maybe my math is off base here, but $400 mil from them, $400mil+ from Vikings, plus the city/county portion leaves very little left to fund. So whats the issue? The damn goverment and its politicians attempting to tell people how they can spend their money. To my fellow voters in MN get all of these idiots out of office this year! Not only in terms of their failure to come to any form of a solution in this issue, but every other issue facing our state.

    This is an awful and painful thing to say, but I hope the Vikings leave to hopefully teach our incompotent government a lesson! Its a sad week Vikings fans

  157. lilmiddle78 says: Apr 19, 2012 1:07 AM

    *** negaduck ***

    >>> stop blaming the politicians for not wanting to rob the taxpayers to pay for your hobby. pay for your own hobby. <<<

    ******************************************************************
    I'll tell you what, if they were to find a way to only add the extra tax to those people who say "Yes, tax me, I want to help build the stadium", and left all the other idiots out of it… They would likely have plenty to match Zygi's half in no time and this thing would be built within 18 months!! But all of you who didn't want your tax dollars going toward a major source of revenue (year round, not just football games), yeah all you people are not welcome to enjoy the new facility or benefit from it in any way!! That would be great!!

    Someone on here who lives in MN and who seemed to know his facts on the issue, pointed out that the tax is not a new tax but an existing tax that is never going away.. The vote seems to be on the allocation of funds and not creating funds through added taxes.. Can anyone else confirm that? If so, this issue just got even stupider!!!

    ANYONE in MN who knows someone who needs work should be eager to vote this thing thru!! Just the money stimulated by the almost certain Super Bowl awarded to most cities with new stadiums would be a huge economic boost for the twinn cities!!

  158. ruvelligwebuike says: Apr 19, 2012 10:16 AM

    “Additionally- let’s just look at a rank of ‘best states to live in’: WI = 24th, MN = 5th. Source: Forbes.”
    ———————–

    That was an ’09 article based on unemployment, work environment, and perceived emotional well-being.

    “There is about 75 miles between Milwaukee and Madison- right? The population is nice, but we’re talking about two MAJOR metropolitan areas that are only separated by 10 miles at most when looking at STP and MPLS. ”
    ———————-
    Um, what? In canonroad’s world:

    St. Paul, Population 285,000 MAJOR
    Milwaukee, Population 600,000 minor

    “Even more so- I never said you couldn’t hike, camp, fish, hunt or do anything else in WI. I’ve actually enjoyed doing all of those while in WI.”
    ———————

    Your entire first post was dedicated to the fact that there is nothing outside of Packers and cheese in Wisconsin. “WHAT ELSE IS THERE?” Keep living in that 5 county bubble. The rest of the country will continue to point and laugh at you. And if you want some first-hand opinions….Google search “I hate Wisconsin.” Then google “I hate Minnesota.” Take a hard look at how you are viewed.

  159. eeeeeeetme says: Apr 19, 2012 9:26 PM

    This is great!! I despise the ViQueefs and their panty waste loser fans. I would be more than willing to help load the moving vans.

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