Name all of the Hall of Fame QB’s in the history of the Eagles.

Where did you learn to write? You’re not articulating your opinions. You ramble while making excuses.

You make poor, tired arguments for McNabb going to the Hall of Fame.

Please explain why McNabb deserves to be in the Hall of Fame.

The Eagles haven’t had any All-Pro QB’s in the past 45 years. Not one.

Definition of an All-Pro: One of the top two players at your position in the NFL.

Let’s focus on McNabb level of play and compare his stats to the QB’s who played in the NFL in the past 14 years.

Tom Brady, Peyton Manning, and Drew Brees will all be Hall of Fame QB’s. Aaron Rodgers looks like a future Hall of Fame QB.

McNabb’s not even close to those 4 QB’s.
Three other current QB’s who are much more qualified to be voted into the Hall of Fame when their careers are complete: Eli Manning, Phillip Rivers, and Ben Roethlisberger.

You said McNabb and the Redskins should have blown the Eagles out if two of his receivers didn’t drop the ball in 2010. You’re completely wrong, my man.

McNabb completed 8 of 19 passes for 125 yards. He played poorly and then got crushed when the Eagles went to DC on Monday night a few weeks later. How did McNabb play in that Monday night game?

You said McNabb actually played well in the playoffs. You’re wrong. He played poorly in the playoffs. Tell me his passer rating in the playoffs. He played poorly in his only Super Bowl.

McNabb threw 3 terrible interceptions against New England in that Super Bowl. He was also too tired to run the two minute offense with more than 7 minutes left in the game and the Eagles down by 10. Can you say vomit?

He played lousy against Caroline in the 2003 NFC Championship game. He played terribly in the 2002 Championship game against Tampa Bay.

He had a chance to take the Eagles to the Super Bowl in the 2008 NFC Championship game. He failed to win the game despite playing against the worst passing defense (Arizona) in the NFL. He choked at the end of the game… again!!!

He comes up small in big games. It’s a fact and the numbers support that claim.

Guys like Matt Ryan, Joe Flacco, and Tony Romo should be in the Hall of Fame if McNabb ends up in Canton.

Fortunately, McNabb won’t be in the Hall of Fame and neither will Ryan, Flacco, and Romo, based on their careers so far. Ryan and Flacco have plenty of time to prove that they’re great QB’s.

The rest of your comments aren’t clear. You failed to explain why he belongs in the Hall of Fame. You simply blame his teammates for his lack of success.

The Eagles took McNabb to 5 NFC Championship game with a great defense, Brian Westbrook, solid special teams, good coaching, and a great offensive line.

McNabb played for 13 years. He had ONE season where he played like a top 5 QB (2004). You can’t be in the Hall of Fame if you’ve only had one great season in 13 years.

HOFamer? Still not sure…but Dan Fouts is in with no SB appearance and Plunkett has 2 SB wins and he is not enshrined. Oh I forgot, Raiders like he and Cliff Branch don’t get in. Branch has 3 SB wins! However, Biletnikoff got in with 2 SB wins, and strangely enough, defenses feared Branch more than Biletnikoff.

I know I digressed a bit, but this HOF voting mess really pisses me off!

What an intelligent comment. You obviously can’t make any argument for McNabb going to the hall of Fame.

Thanks for agreeing with me.

The knock on him about the whole “big game” thing: His Super Bowl performance was actually very good (3 touchdowns, only Kurt Warner had more yards in a game); individually he did enough to win the ’08 NFC title game, won the ’04 title game, was injured in the ’03 game and played the ’02 game still recovering from the broken leg. He played well enough to win in the ’01 title game too. You can’t knock the guy for the often very weak offenses around him. He won what, nine playoff games? Call it ten for the year they creamed Dallas 44-6 in week seventeen to get in.

The one year he had an elite wide receiver they were an untouchable duo. The man threw four touchdown passes in a comeback victory on a broken leg. He took over games with his legs early in his career. He carried that offense totally by himself in ’00 and ’01. He had 100 yard rushing games, and was a great passer. Holds every significant Eagle passing record. Was at times the least intercepted passer of all time (by percentage, which, obviously, fluctuates with each pass thrown). Totally changed the face of his franchise, made them relevant and a Super Bowl pick for a decade.

You can’t use the last one and half seasons against him- thrust onto two new teams, both with horrible offenses and play calling. He actually was on pace for a 4,000 yard season in Washington (finished with 3300). Those seasons individually weren’t abysmal like they’ve been described. He did the most he could as a mid thirties qb on two horrible teams. I personally saw him beat the Eagles, with two long td passes dropped by Fred Davis and iirc maybe Santana Moss, which would have turned that game into a blowout. (Both passes were in their hands, leading them perfectly, not at their feet.) The guy’s been so much better than he’s gotten the rap for, and you can’t count two years at the end of his career on bad teams against his hall of fame case. That would make players better off retiring early.

You’re using Mike McMahon and AJ Feely as proof that McNabb was a great QB? I won’t even respond to that garbage. I never mentioned either player.

Are you saying the run defense is why the Eagles lost 4 of 5 NFC Championship games and the Super Bowl against New England?

How did McNabb play in those 4 NFC Championship games defeats and in the Super Bowl?

You failed to mention where the Eagles ranked in passing defense from 2001-2009, where they ranked in total yards allowed defensively from 2001-2009, and where they ranked in average points allowed per game from 2001-2009.

Listen, I have facts supporting my arguments. You have pathetic excuses, you make up weird arguments like implying I said a word about Garcia outside of the 2006 season, and you blame everyone but McNabb for losing 4 out of 5 NFC Championship games and one Super Bowl.

Wait, are you related to McNabb? Are you one of his fans from Philly? You seem suspiciously interested in a QB who played for a team that you’re supposed to dislike. You claim to be a NY Giants fan.

You have to counter my comments made in this post and earlier posts for me to respond to you again. You’re not very good at articulating your thoughts and your arguments are feeble, irrelevant, and inaccurate.

You still have yet to explain why McNabb belongs in the Hall of Fame!!!

You’ve spent at least 85% of your comments on blaming others for McNabb’s flaws and failures.

Why does he belong in the Hall of Fame? Why is he a great QB?

The Eagles were pretty good with avg pts allowed, teams were spending more time running the ball down your throats. Your defenses were so great yet they give up 20, 29, 27, 14, 24, 27, 32, and 34 points in all your playoff losses. Jeff Garcia? Didn’t he bomb in Cleveland and Detroit? Do you think honestly that Garcia could have brought the Eagles 8 playoffs and 5 NFC championships and 1 Superbowl in 11 years? Garcia only won 1 playoff game in San Fran with TO and won his second in 06 with the Eagles.
2005 Mike Mcmahon 1-5 as the starter
2007 AJ Feeley started 2 games lost them both Eagles missed playoffs and finished 8-8.. You keep pretending that Mcnabb was the problem.

McNabb played in a passer-friendly offense with a great defense, a great offensive line, outstanding special teams, and a guy named Brian Westbrook. He played on a very good team for at least 8 of his 11 years with the Eagles.

The team took McNabb to 5 NFC Championship games. They lost four of the five games.

Donovan McNabb is not a Hall of Fame QB.

You would have to put guys like Tony Romo, Matt Ryan, and Carson Palmer in Canton if McNabb was ever voted into the Hall of Fame.

Hall of Fame means greatness. It means you’re one of the best players to ever play in the NFL.

Gale Sayers, Joe Montana, Deion Sanders, Walter Payton, Deacon Jones, Jerry Rice, Mel Blount, Lawrence Taylor, Reggie White, Bruce Smith, and Mean Joe Greene.

Future Hall of Fame QB’s: Peyton Manning, Drew Brees, Tom Brady, and Aaron Rodgers. Let’s not forget Eli Manning with two Super Bowls and better numbers than McNabb.

Roethlisberger is a more likely candidate for the Hall of Fame than McNabb. Big Ben has 2 Super Bowl titles and 3 total appearances in 8 seasons. He comes up big in the 4th quarter, unlike McNabb.

Phillip Rivers is also much more likely to end up in the Hall of Fame than McNabb. Rivers has thrown for over 4,000 yards for 5 straight years, 3 years of 30 or more TD passes, 5 years of 27 or more TD passes, a 63.5% career completion percentage, a passer rating over 100 for 4 straight seasons, and a 95.5 passer career passer rating.

McNabb should be judged by comparing his overall performance with his peers who played in his era (2000-2011). He’s not in the same category as the 7 QB’s I listed above, especially the first four All-Pro’s.

Lifetime supply of Chunky Soup

Weight watchers for cardiovascular-ly challenged QB’s

McRib sandwiches while supplies last

Autographed football he threw up on and threw to Todd Pinkston in Jacksonville, which of course Pinkston refused to catch (thanks a lot alligator arms)

New book titled “Dirt Nap: Just Throw the Damn Ball
Into the Ground!”

Your last message proves how little you know about the Eagles from 2001-2011. I’m not going to waste my time destroying each argument you tried to make in your last post.

You failed to explain why McNabb belongs in the Hall of Fame.

Your memory of how McNabb played in the playoffs is poor.

I could waste 30 minutes pointing out why everything you said in your previous post is incorrect. I’ll focus on this notion that the Eagles failure to run the ball more hurt McNabb and that you can win without good WR’s. You just don’t know what you’re talking about when it comes to the Eagles and McNabb.

You failed to address a large number of the points I made in previous posts.

Do the Packers run the ball often to keep defenses honest? I guess they don’t need a good running game with a great QB. Aren’t the Saints a passing offense? It seems to be working out well for them and Drew Brees.

Here’s the truth about the importance of a strong running game and how often the Eagles run the ball: The Eagles don’t run the ball less than every team in the NFL. In fact, their run-pass ratio is practically identical to every other passing offense in the NFL.

It’s a passing league. Name the last NFL that won a Super Bowl with a top 5 RB. The Broncos with Terrell Davis? That was 14 years ago. Teams are throwing the ball more often and relying less on their running game.

New England and the Giants made the Super Bowl this year. Are they running offenses or passing offenses? They’re both powerful in the passing game and relatively average at best in the running game.

Did Detroit have a running game in 2011? No. Yet Matthew Stafford threw for 41 TD’s and 5,400 yards. Yet, according to you, a good QB needs a running game. You’re wrong again.

Brady didn’t have a good running game in 2011. Eli Manning didn’t have a good running game in 2011. Aaron Rodgers didn’t even have an average running game in 2011. The Packers threw the ball roughly 60% of the time, yet he was extremely effective. He threw for 45 TD’s and 4,600 yards.

The 49ers had lousy WR’s in 2011. That’s why they signed Manningham and Moss. The 49ers went to the NFC Championship game. Braylon Edwards and Ted Ginn were both hurt and didn’t play in the playoffs. Neither one is a good WR.

How did Tom Brady win three Super Bowls with WR’s Deion Branch, Troy Brown, David Patten, and David Givens? You can’t answer that question because it totally destroys your entire argument that you need good or great wr’s to win a Super Bowl.

I would be wasting my time talking with you in the future. You’re not making any good arguments and your knowledge about the NFL is limited.

I could continue to explain why each of your comments is incorrect. I won’t waste any more of my time. I’ve heard the same arguments you’re making for years from McNabb fans.

You’re not explaining why McNabb belongs in the Hall of Fame!!! You’re simply blaming his teammates for his failures in the playoffs. It’s right out of the Donovan McNabb playbook: blame everyone else for my poor play.

I always felt from watching your games, that Reid wasn’t running to keep your offense honest, and that put pressure on Mcnabb to be on target all the time. Alex Smith, Mark Sanchez, and Flacco had dominant running games and coach willing to use them. They also had Dominant defenses. The WR ‘s were not total garbage, your still talking Braylon Edwards, Crabtree, Keller, Ginn, Heap. Bree’s recievers are one of the top 5 reciever groups in the NFL.. Mcnabb had Owens happy in 04 and all of a sudden he has a career year. The Eagles defense overall statistically were good, but they had flaws like stinking against the run. I think during his Mcnabbs tenure he won the most games behind Peyton & Brady.

Mcnabb played in Philadelphia for 11 years 8 years in the playoffs 5 NFC championship games and 1 superbowl appearance. His rookie year he came in when the season was already over. Prior to TO he accounted for 75-80% of the Eagles total offense whether its rushing or passing. Lets put it this way, all those playoffs you guys went to, 09 was the first time the Eagles were one and done with Mcnabb at QB… Mike Vick 2010 one and done, 2011 no playoffs due to injury.

You said the Eagles had a terrible run defense in a few of the five years they reached the NFC Championship game with McNabb at QB.

Name those years.

You don’t even know the facts about the Eagles. The one year they had a terrible run defense was the 2006 season. You remember that year, right?

That was the year McNabb got hurt and Jeff Garcia went 4-1 as the starting QB to lead the Eagles to the playoffs. Garcia torched your Giants in one of those five games with what you describe as terrible WR’s.

The played your Giants again in the wildcard game. The Eagles won that game. They won with those lousy WR’s you love to blame for McNabb’s poor play.

The Eagles then went to New Orleans to play the Saints. Final score: Saints 27 Eagles 24.

I know much more about the Eagles than you. Please don’t tell me the Eagles were terrible against the run when the truth is the Eagles had one of the top defenses in the NFL for years and were one of the top defenses practically every year with McNabb in terms of average points allowed per game.

The defense, a great offensive line, good coaching, and Brian Westbrook carried the Eagles to 5 NFC Championship games and one Super Bowl.

I’d also like to say that I agreed with Andy Reid’s second overall selection for Donovan McNabb in 1999. I mean it was him or Ricky Williams and hindsight now being 20\20 its obvious McNabb was by far the better choice.

And ever since 1999 I backed number five as long as he wore that five in midnight green. Once he was traded I backed number seven, Michael Vick.

Sure Donovan did some great things while in Philly, four division titles, five NFC championship game appearances and one Super bowl berth.

But he’s comparing himself to Marino and Peyton. Who won with any coach they played under. McNabb thus far has only won under Reid.

And you know something, Mike Vick wasn’t the mega superstar QB he’s been lately especially during the 2010 season. I mean Vick always had some supernatural abilities but Not until under Andy Reid’s watchful eye did his true QB skills come to play.

Now, I’m not saying he deserves it YET, but if anyone deserves to be inducted into the Professional Football Hall of Fame it’s Andy Reid!

Without a doubt he is taken for granted in this city and anytime our birds lose a game the majority of us call for his firing.

But since he became head coach of the Philadelphia Eagles he was the reason for all the success from the day he was hired until now. And I hate to say it but for nearly eleven years the only thing that has held Andy Reid back from achieving the NFL’s holy grail just happens to be Donovan McNabb’s skillset or lack-thereof .

The throws into the mud or to receivers ankles, the indecisive decisions and what appears to be at sometimes the work of a choke artist.

It’s very unusual for NFL players to say that one of their former teammates doesn’t belong in Canton.

They usually say how great their former teammate was and he deserves a bust in Canton.

McNabb’s teammates don’t even think he’s earned a place in the Hall of Fame.

End of story.

You’re a typical delusional McNabb fan.

McNabb and all 4 of his fans (including you) always say how terrible his receivers were in Philly.

McNabb and his fans always blame someone else for his failures. Leaders take responsibility and demand others do the same. McNabb loves to point fingers at his teammates for his weaknesses.

Did Alex Smith take his team to the NFC Championship game with Michael Crabtree and Delaney Walker as his two starting wr’s? Does he belong in the Hall of Fame?

Mark Sanchez went to two straight AFC Championship games in his first two seasons in the NFL with poor receivers. Does he belong in the Hall of Fame?

Joe Flacco has had tremendous success in the playoffs without good WR’s. Should he be in the Hall of Fame?

It doesn’t matter how good your WR’s are if the QB constantly throws inaccurate passes.

There are QB’s who put up huge numbers with average or below average receivers. Tom Brady threw 36 TD’s and 4 interceptions in 2010 with two rookie TE’s and Wes Welker.

Phillip Rivers threw for 4,700 yards and 30 TD’s in 2010 without Vincent Jackson for most of the year. Malcolm Floyd was his best WR.

Drew Brees had 4,600 passing yards and 33 TD’s in 2010 with one quality receiver in Marques Colston. He also had Robert Meachem, Devry Henderson, and Lance Moore. Should I go on?

Tom Brady won 3 Super Bowls with David Givens, Deion Branch, Davis Patten, and Troy Brown as his top 4 WR’s. One of those Super Bowl wins (2004 season) was against you hero, Donovan McNabb.

Did McNabb have better receivers/weapons than Brady in the Super Bowl? McNabb had Owens and Westbrook.

I guess very good QB’s CAN succeed without great receivers. McNabb wasn’t a very good QB. He doesn’t belong in the Hall of Fame.

You said McNabb was the greatest QB in franchise history. Who was the 2nd best? Ron Jaworski? I rest my case.

The Eagles have never had a Hall of Fame QB. They’ve never even had a very good QB. It doesn’t matter if you think he’s the best QB in Franchise history as the Eagles have never had a QB who was a Top 5 QB in the NFL.

wferg1121, you have to present clear, logical arguments to have a debate with me. You rambled in your last post and failed to explain why McNabb belongs in the Hall of Fame.

He doesn’t belong in the HOF.

Regardless of what anyone thinks, 99.9% of Philadelphia fans did NOT boo him at the draft. 30 idiots from a sports radio show did. They do not represent anyone but 610WIP.

McNabb had nothing but support from the fans for years. He had more love than any other athlete in Philadelphia. He just refused to acknowledge it because he held a grudge for the booing thing. His mouth made him hard to support at times. His ability to take full blame for something, and then continue to blame everyone else is astounding.

But now, the rest of the country sees exactly what Philadelphia fans saw for years. An athletic QB that was never accurate at all, wilted under pressure, and has no idea when to keep his mouth shut. Once his athleticism left, he was left an average QB with no accuracy. After 13 years, the guy still cant throw a damn slant route. Its infuriating.

And hopefully, it is understood now why Philly fans were frustrated between him and Reid.

“Thats what I thought until you started bashing your greatest QB in franchise history that brought the worst recieving corps to 5 NFC champs and 1 Superbowl. Defense??? You are forgetting a few of your trips that you guys stunk against the run……”
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I don’t disagree with anything you wrote. McNabb had bad receivers most of the time. He didn’t have a running game until Westbrook’s 2nd or 3rd year. They were sometimes questionable against the run. Andy Reid was always fat.

But here’s the thing: None of that matters. None of means he was a student of the game. None of it means he wasn’t the most insecure and oversensitive player most of us have ever seen. None of it means he didn’t suffer a big physical decline after 2005. And most importantly, none of it means he doesn’t act like an ASS CLOWN now.

And yes…to every non-Eagles fan out there: We told you so. We really, really did.

In order to get into the Pro Football Hall of Fame….. you have to be good.