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Goodell tells Minnesota governor failure to pass stadium bill will trigger “serious consequences”

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After years of tiptoeing through the tulips in the Twin Cities, the Vikings and the NFL have brought out the wrecking ball.

A day after Vikings V.P. of stadium wrangling Lester Bagley responded to Governor Mark Dayton’s warning that a deal to build a new venue must be finalized next year by saying “there is no next year,” NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell told Dayton that a failure to finalize a stadium bill in the current (and soon to be ending) legislative session will lead to “serious consequences.”

So what are the serious consequences?  “I don’t know if that means a sale.  I don’t know if that means a move. You have a very dejected ownership,” NFL executive vice president, NFL Ventures and Business Operations Eric Grubman told the St. Paul Pioneer Press.

Per the Pioneer Press, another call will occur on Thursday, involving Dayton, Goodell, and Steelers owner Art Rooney II, who chairs the league’s stadium committee.

The about-face by the Vikings and the NFL, which we advocated on Tuesday after the bill died in a House committee on Monday night, is nevertheless jarring.  After years of pussyfooting, the Vikings are suddenly stomping their feet — and threatening to use them to walk away from the Land of 10,000 Lakes.

Though it could backfire on the team and the league, the time for half measures has ended.  Previously, the passive approach to the situation caused many to think that the Vikings would never leave, and that owner Zygi Wilf would continue to kick more and more money into the private-public financing formula until the politicians conclude that Wilf has reached his limit.

Clearly, he now has.

And so the politicians and the populace are getting a proper wake-up call.  And the Vikings and the NFL are ready to hold accountable those who are holding up progress by trying to hide within a convoluted legislative process.

“Who’s holding this up?” Grubman said. “Who doesn’t want this to be voted on?  Stand up and be counted.”

It’s a great point.  The naysayers currently are operating largely in shadows, confident that they’ll eventually be able to blame someone else once for the fact that the Vikings have become the third major-league team to leave Minnesota.

The Vikings may indeed leave anyway, but this eleventh-hour decision to abandon the “Minnesota Nice” approach will make it much easier to spot the folks who would otherwise prefer to derail the effort without being outed.

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206 Responses to “Goodell tells Minnesota governor failure to pass stadium bill will trigger “serious consequences””
  1. therealsmiley says: Apr 19, 2012 9:32 AM

    That’s smart…threaten a govenor. Hail!!

  2. bucrightoff says: Apr 19, 2012 9:32 AM

    Thanks Captain Obvious

  3. iamwhodat says: Apr 19, 2012 9:34 AM

    Lord Goodell strikes again.

  4. thepathtothedraft says: Apr 19, 2012 9:35 AM

    “You have a very dejected ownership”

    Id be upset too if I couldnt con a bunch of hardworking families into helping fund my investments.

    Why do billionaires need public funding for their stadiums? You hear everyday about the evil of having socialized medicine, why is socialized football stadiums such a given?

  5. jtchernak says: Apr 19, 2012 9:37 AM

    It’s a shame it’s a nice city nice baseball park golf courses and malls except for the cold I would hate to see them leave

  6. dadsman28 says: Apr 19, 2012 9:38 AM

    How did the college team get a stadium before the Vikings? How did the Twins do it?

  7. tatatoothy says: Apr 19, 2012 9:38 AM

    Hello Los Angeles Vikings!

  8. flair1239 says: Apr 19, 2012 9:38 AM

    I am a life long Vikings Fan. I will say this, we have the worst most ignorant fans in the league.

    The state deserves to lose this team, not only because of the self serving posturing of the politicians on both sides of the aisle, but also because of the general contempt that the average fan displays towards this franchise.

  9. countyk66ers says: Apr 19, 2012 9:39 AM

    I think the commisioner is about to find out that he is in charge of a game.

  10. unitedstateoftexas says: Apr 19, 2012 9:39 AM

    What’s he gonna do? Strip cap space from the city?

  11. rodgersrodgersheisking says: Apr 19, 2012 9:40 AM

    Yeah Minnesota, stop being frugal with public funds! You should spend it all on a stadium where you know you won’t get any back! Great idea Goodell, go back to wrecking football and stay out of politics.

  12. cappa662 says: Apr 19, 2012 9:40 AM

    MN has a huge debt just like every other state… why is it necessary to take money away from schools, police and pay off the debt so that the Vikings could have a new stadium?

  13. randyd223 says: Apr 19, 2012 9:41 AM

    The NFL needs to build their own F***ing stadiums. Enough said!

  14. theslex says: Apr 19, 2012 9:42 AM

    Minnesota sports “fans” are awful anways. What state/city runs two pro teams out of town (NBA Lakers and NFL North Stars) then pays out the rear end for new stadiums to lure two expansion teams? Are they incapable of learning from their mistakes?

  15. Playing the Ponzi says: Apr 19, 2012 9:43 AM

    Sounds exactly like what happened in Cleveland through the early 90’s. Confident the Browns would never leave, Cleveland built new arenas for the Cavs and Indians, and built the Rock n Roll Hall of Fame – all without touching Cleveland Municipal Stadium, despite years of promising to upgrade the facility.

  16. skoobyfl says: Apr 19, 2012 9:45 AM

    Ziggy can taste the $1.4 Billion from the LA group already, time to cashout.

  17. binkystevens says: Apr 19, 2012 9:45 AM

    I’m a Packer fan, and as much as I absolutely hate the Vikings (and their fans), this is just sad. I can’t stand to see a team like the Vikings, with a strong fan following and history, move to another city like LA.

    I mean, talk about an undeserving location. 2nd largest US city, and can’t even sell out pro games besides the Lakers? They’ve already lost 2 NFL teams…what makes them deserving of a 3rd?

    I guess if they move to LA, Wilf will get his wish – a new stadium. Though I don’t know how useful it will be with no one in it.

    Terrible sports town.

  18. sj39 says: Apr 19, 2012 9:45 AM

    Why do billionaires need public funding for their stadiums? You hear everyday about the evil of having socialized medicine, why is socialized football stadiums such a given?

    Socialized Medicine is a bottomless money pit, Stadiums and major league franchises produce jobs, profit and economic gains for a lot of people in a large area.

  19. Pets to Go says: Apr 19, 2012 9:45 AM

    It seems to me that the Economic Impact the Vikings bring to Minny would be missed, just as Any NFL city that loses a team.
    People would be employed to build the stadium and to ultimately work there, i.e. support businesses, concessions, security, etc., along with employees of the team, itself.
    Also, the players who have quite a bit of money, would be spending their money somewhere else.
    Comparing the Vikes to the North Stars or the Lakers is apples and oranges.
    Also, hotels house fans who come to Minny to watch games.
    Also, Vikes fans who wear apparel and live in other cities fill Those stadiums and buy locally.

    So IMHO, it seems that the politicians would be doing the voters A Favor by sealing a deal ASAP for purely economic reasons, and keeping the Vikes in Minnesota.

  20. amanitoomerisgod says: Apr 19, 2012 9:46 AM

    @thepathtothedraft

    Sometimes the things you hear everyday are the propaganda of huge conglomerates that just want you to give them your money on their terms.

    Actually, most times.

    I would happily fund a football stadium with my tax dollars over the murdering of foreign children who were simply unlucky enough to be born somewhere else. We hold onto our luck like we earned it.

    Soap box over.

  21. mattsffrd says: Apr 19, 2012 9:46 AM

    GODdell has spoken. L.A. Vikings it is.

  22. briggsisbrokeagain says: Apr 19, 2012 9:46 AM

    As a Bear fan I hope you folks up North get this figured out. I can’t imagine a NFC North division with the Vikings. Strong rivals are what makes this game so great, good luck Minnesota.

  23. detroitkitty says: Apr 19, 2012 9:46 AM

    “Who’s holding this up?” Grubman said. “Who doesn’t want this to be voted on? Stand up and be counted.”

    Uh…isn’t that the Vikings? The “holdup” is that the pro-stadium people don’t want to have to go to the voters and get their approval, which the law clearly requires for expenditures over $10 Million for a stadium.

    Seems pretty simple to me – if you have a solid argument, you take it to the voters. The Vikings and their politician supporters are the ones “holding things up” by trying to end-run the clear process that the taxpayers of Minnesota set up for public stadiums.

  24. dolphinsrule65 says: Apr 19, 2012 9:47 AM

    Why can’t he pay for it himself, like other owners have done?

    Dolphins
    Patriots
    Jets/Giants
    Too name a few…

  25. cooklynn17 says: Apr 19, 2012 9:47 AM

    Stupid…

  26. glac1 says: Apr 19, 2012 9:47 AM

    It should be up to the local residents to decide… not some NFL officials.

  27. bountyboy says: Apr 19, 2012 9:48 AM

    Recent studies suggest the investment by municipalities may not pay off as previously thought. I wonder if anyone has given thought to income sharing with TV rights and sales for the municipality?

  28. jjht says: Apr 19, 2012 9:48 AM

    As a life long Viking’s fan this is devastating. The legislator needs to stop playing the political game. When they open the House Committee’s hearing on the stadium with the question of “why should the state bailout a billionaire owner and millionaire players?” you know they are playing politics because of the upcoming election. STOP ASKING THE WRONG QUESTIONS. There are numerous benefits that come from the Vikings being here, but unfortunately 10 years down the road when they finally realize this the cost to get a new franchise will be more then double what a stadium would cost. So depressing!

  29. phinfan says: Apr 19, 2012 9:49 AM

    Would suck for Minnesota to loose the Lakers and soon the Vikings to LA.

  30. whatnojets says: Apr 19, 2012 9:49 AM

    Follow the Irsay policy….pack your bags and move during the night…..Des Moines, Iowa is waiting for you!

  31. gridironmike says: Apr 19, 2012 9:49 AM

    Next headline: “Goodell Suspends MN Governor For One Year”

  32. clintonportisheadd says: Apr 19, 2012 9:50 AM

    “Though it could backfire on the team and the league, the time for half measures has ended..”

    ———————-

    It WILL backfire. People do not like to be threatened. And average Joe Taxpayer will not put up with a BILLIONAIRE owner getting his fellow BILLIONAIRE owners to threaten the locals to take away the team if they don’t pay public money to them.

    It’s a huge mistake PR -wise and also a strategic mistake because Goodell has nothing to back up his threat. What is he going to do-move the team? To where? LA is 3 years away from a stadium IF an owner is willing to move there AND sell a piece of the team (at a discount) to Anshutz.

    And NO TEAM is willing to do that from everything we read.

    Also, when Goodell starts making threats like this he is going to get a backlash from Senators in Minn, Wisc, the Dakotas and elsewhere who will start with the “revoke the anti-trust exemption” language.

    The bottom line is this. IF this new stadium is a money maker and a business necessity, then let Wilf build it out of his own pocket (like Kraft and the Patriots did) and keep all the profits himself.

  33. tomtravis76 says: Apr 19, 2012 9:50 AM

    The NFL is going to allow Wilf to go to LA. Roger will then promise an expansion franchise(deactivate the Vikings until further notice) to Minnesota when they pass the public funding-and one seaon without the NFL and the residents of Minnesota are going to be rioting in the streets(any politician who allowed the original team to leave will be out of an elected government job). This will allow the NFL to expand once again by adding the second LA team and a return of the Vikings.

    Though this all depends on what Steve Ross has up his sleeve, he is licking his chops, you know his friend Magic Johnson is letting him know how great LA would treat him unlike the ungrateful people in South Florida.

  34. grndizzle says: Apr 19, 2012 9:51 AM

    I don’t think owners “need” public funding for stadiums, but the return on investment for the city/state makes it a pretty good deal. If you have a solid fan base that sells out the stadium 8 times a year and fans spend money on hotels, restaurants parking, concessions and merchandise it generates enormous tax revenues for the local government and sales for local businesses.

    And if you use the stadium for other events during the off-season you can make even more money.

  35. sirmixalotalotalot says: Apr 19, 2012 9:51 AM

    What people don’t realize or want to hear is that when a stadium is built not using money from the state or locality, they receive NOTHING. When a stadium is built using money from the state, the state is entitled to money year in and out from the lease, money from the businesses on site, etc. It also creates a barrier against an owner from picking up and moving the team to LA whenever the feel like it. When a team is completely privately run, they get no money, have no rights, and the team can leave whenever it wants.

  36. nebster21 says: Apr 19, 2012 9:51 AM

    what is he going to do? Suspend the entire state for not bowing down to what he wants?

  37. pistolsmoke says: Apr 19, 2012 9:51 AM

    If Minnesota loses the Vikings they will lose millions and millions of dollars from people who come to Minnesota to see the games (Vikes fans from Dakotas, Iowa, Away Team fans, etc.). Just like the Mall Of America it’s a Tourist spot. And you lose it, you lose tourist and means you lose money for the state. The money you could use to build schools, new companies, streets, etc.

    How many owners have paid for the entire stadium? 2 maybe.

    It takes money to make money. Liberals think things should just magically appear out of thin air. Maybe a stadium will just pop up with magical chocolate river running through it.

  38. longdrivesaint says: Apr 19, 2012 9:52 AM

    Serves all U vikqueens fans right for your Saints bashing. Quit worrying what’s going on in other peoples houses and take care of your own. Let alone get to a number of superbowls and can’t win even one.

  39. santolonius says: Apr 19, 2012 9:52 AM

    everyone who says the billionaire needs to build his own stadium or the nfl needs to build their own stadium need to know… that’s not one of the choices. the choices are:
    A) public helps build stadium because they feel having the team is worth it.
    B) vikings leave minnesota.
    fantasize all you like, but there is no C.

  40. sd5547 says: Apr 19, 2012 9:52 AM

    Goodell has a god complex. Asked if he thought he had a god complex he answered no, I am god.

    He could give a crap about any team west of the Mississippi river. Thanks again for starting the draft at 3PM for the west coast fans.

    The state of Minnesota should sue the NFL for that statement.

  41. flvikesfan says: Apr 19, 2012 9:52 AM

    Love the idiots who say they don’t understand the need to publicly fund a stadium for billionaires. YOU DON’T HAVE TOO. BUT remember when the team packs up and leaves ALL of those people who relied on that stadium and the team for their jobs are now part of the States unemployed. The narrow minded idea that ONLY the owners benefit from the stadium so incredibly short sighted. Pay no attention to all of those businesses around the current stadium who enjoy the increased business. All of the vendors around the city and state who profit from the Vikings. Wake up fools, it’s not a one way street that solely benefits the owners. Tons of people and business get to profit from the team.

  42. jealst says: Apr 19, 2012 9:53 AM

    From a Saints fan, when Goddell says “there will be serious consequence” he means “there will serious consequences” he’s like a parent – not the one that counts “1, 2, 3″ and then you might get hit. He’s the one that counts “1, 2…” and hits you on 3.

    Lol get the deal done. I love this bitter rivarlary we’ve develop.

    Have a great day!

  43. flapjackdaddy says: Apr 19, 2012 9:53 AM

    He’ll be sleepin’ with the fishes?

  44. professorcolumbus says: Apr 19, 2012 9:54 AM

    “it could backfire on the league?”

    How could it “backfire?”

    So they end up in Los Angeles. I am sure they will be thinking “OMG, those threats TOTALLY BACKFIRED!”

  45. shea801 says: Apr 19, 2012 9:54 AM

    Good job, Rog. Explain to me the difference between the mob and the NFL doing this?

    Good move to threaten to move the team to LA. It may actually work if you weren’t sending the team to a place where NFL teams go to die, they might actually react. But how about you tell Wilf to take some of those billions and fund his own f*cking stadium. I don’t blame the tax base for telling you to go screw.

  46. krank00 says: Apr 19, 2012 9:55 AM

    YOu have to pay to play. As a community if you do not want to build a billionaire a building to play football in someone else will!

    That’s why they are billionaires! They do not spend millions when they do not have too.

    It sounded like a statement of fact more than a threat from Goodell to me.

  47. flaccotoboldin says: Apr 19, 2012 9:56 AM

    As a Ravens fan who grew up without football because the Colts moved to Indy – Minnesota, you REALLY don’t want to do this.

    Yeah, I agree with everyone that the NFL should be building its own stadiums. But thats not the way the world works. Other cities will be ready to scoop the Vikings up, L.A. being #1 in line.

    Time to nut up or shut up. How much do you like football? Because it sounds like the hammer is about to be dropped.

    And the irony is, when that happens, you’ll see the same politicians against this new stadium whining that the Vikes left, and applying for expansion franchises. Take it from Baltimore, Houston, Cleveland . . . etc etc just keep your team.

  48. bhindenemylines says: Apr 19, 2012 9:56 AM

    Yeah, he’s right. The Vikings not getting a new stadium will create a competitive inbalance amoung the other 31 teams.

    Go ahead, GODell. Take $10 million of their salar cap each year until they get it straightened out.
    ;)

  49. graham4jc says: Apr 19, 2012 9:57 AM

    Yeah, Goodell. Just intimidate and threaten. It’s what you do best.

  50. oldschoolomen says: Apr 19, 2012 9:59 AM

    Let the billion dollar business build their own facilities.

  51. vikingsinla says: Apr 19, 2012 9:59 AM

    If Minny doesn’t cave in, and still keeps the Vikes, the NFL’s “build it or we leave” leverage will not be credible when the next round of owners want new, publicly-subsidized stadiums.

    The NFL cannot afford to have this precedent set. They HAVE to move the team.

  52. dryzzt23 says: Apr 19, 2012 9:59 AM

    Whoever these legislators are, I am sure that they are Democrats who believe that the “Billionaire” owner should foot the bill for the stadium.

    A Republican would know the economic impact that the Vikings have in the state and the businesses that operate to support (and take advantage of) the Vikings presence.

    I fully expect the Minnehaha Democrats to use their classic class warfare rhetoric to defend themselves and will ultimately blame everything on a Republican.

  53. nolahxc says: Apr 19, 2012 9:59 AM

    The idea that the owner and commissioner can play the “give me what I want or I’m going to leave” act really rubs me the wrong way. Obviously the local government actually needs their tax dollars for something useful to the people that pay taxes in the state of Minnesota. Kinda a crappy move on the part of the NFL.

    But either way, I don’t care–it’s the Vikings!

    LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, YOU’RE LOS ANGELES VIKINGS!

  54. grndizzle says: Apr 19, 2012 10:12 AM

    It’s too bad they can’t generate some of the money by selling worthless stock like their neighbors.

  55. jimmysee says: Apr 19, 2012 10:14 AM

    It’s not a threat — it’s a promise.

    Regarding so-called “class warfare” — Republicans have been waging class warfare on working stiffs, and now the middle class (or what’s left of it) for years — decades. Any comment from that side of the aisle on this subject is truly the pot calling the kettle black.

  56. ijahru says: Apr 19, 2012 10:16 AM

    When Robert Kraft build his stadium the only thing he asked the tax payers for was to pay for the infrastructure around the stadium. This was fair because the new roads opened up more business for the local establishments. It was a great example of a public/private partnership. There is no reason why the NFL should be asking any government to build them a stadium. If the Vikings were only asking for the infrastructure around the stadium to be funded with tax payer dollars that would be ifne but they are not.

  57. dryzzt23 says: Apr 19, 2012 10:18 AM

    jimmysee, being a working stiff is a CHOICE. Republicans have never played the class warfare game, that is the #1 play in the Democrat playbook. If Republicans are labeled as the class of the rich, why on earth would we have any reason to use a class warfare argument?

  58. upperdecker19 says: Apr 19, 2012 10:18 AM

    “binkystevens says:
    Apr 19, 2012 9:45 AM
    I mean, talk about an undeserving location. 2nd largest US city, and can’t even sell out pro games besides the Lakers? They’ve already lost 2 NFL teams…what makes them deserving of a 3rd?”

    Talk about uninformed. The Dodgers and Angels are amongst the top 5 in MLB attendance every year (excluding the McCourt debacle last year). The Lakers/Clippers consistantly sell out (although the Clippers have a horrible owner resulting in past poor attendance).

    Lost 2 NFL teams? You’re kidding, right? I give you Exhibit A – Al Davis and Exhibit B – Georgia Frontierre. LA didn’t “lose” these clowns. LA kicked their *** outta town when they tried to strongarm LA into building their stadiums. Best thing LA never did.

  59. zaggs says: Apr 19, 2012 10:19 AM

    “The naysayers currently are operating largely in shadows, confident that they’ll eventually be able to blame someone else once for the fact that the Vikings have become the third major-league team to leave Minnesota.”

    Huh? There was a vote yes? Then people put their names to their positions.
    Last I checked Minnesota was still operating with a budget deficit. They seem not to have any sure method of financing a new stadium.
    Also the Vikings financing is confusing. The article says they’ll chip in 427 million, but are relying on a NFL loan and naming rights. But those together would be less than 200 million.

  60. thcnote says: Apr 19, 2012 10:20 AM

    The nfl will make around 9-10 BILLION $ this year and they want people who make 20-30-40 thousand $ a year to pay for there stadiums. I would hate to see the viks leave but would rather see the people stand up and say NO.

  61. rapskins says: Apr 19, 2012 10:20 AM

    “the Vikings become the third major-league team to leave Minnesota.”
    The Washington Senators move to Minnesota and become the Minnesota Twins. Welcome to the party, pal.

  62. dryzzt23 says: Apr 19, 2012 10:21 AM

    If Wilf pays for the stadium himself, then the Minnesota populace and their representatives had better not ever cry about not making any money on the stadium since they have ZERO invested in it.

    I could see the Minnehaha Dems screaming even louder about the “Evil Billionaire Vikings owner” when their constituents ask why they aren’t receiving much in the way of taxes and profits as a result of the stadium.

  63. darthsaint says: Apr 19, 2012 10:23 AM

    This situation sucks. As a Saints fan, I know full well what it is like to have rumors of your team leaving. I personally hope the Vikings stay in MN. That is where they belong.

    The issue really is that so many states have helped fund these new stadium builds. Are there are some solid arguments around what it can bring to a city. Such as additional tourism, large scale events, and normally a large take on concessions for ALL events.

    However, if you know current fiscal issues for states, then you realize as a few posters have stated, that most municipal governments are in the red. Tacking on hundreds of millions of dollars to that amount is difficult.

    I however feel for Wilf. He seems like the type of owner who really does want to keep the team local. Much more so than many of the other owners in this NFL, including my Saints. At the end of the day it is a business. But that is hard for us fans to accept.

  64. desertviking64 says: Apr 19, 2012 10:23 AM

    The state of Minnesota is inept at the capitol, the very reason I left the state, high property taxes and a “welcome mat” to every third world nation so we can feed,educate and house their unwanted people. The people have supported this bill, with a 75% approval. They would like to spend their taxes on something that gives them quality in their lives. The commitee that shot this down was close minded and seemed like they had their minds made up before seeing the bill. The Vikings were given guidelines to follow and were reniged upon. I don’t blame them if they do leave.

  65. spottedviking says: Apr 19, 2012 10:23 AM

    Ok, why has no one asked the question, “What will the City of Minneapolis and the State of Minnesota do with all the additional revenue that can be generated with a state of the art new stadium when the Vikings are not in there for 10 days of the year?” About time the Vikings pushed the issue to wake the clowns up that govern inside the State of Minnesota. Seems reasonable to expect someone that has access to revenues from the stadium 300+ days of year to contribute to the building of it.

  66. nolarules says: Apr 19, 2012 10:24 AM

    this is going to suck. the Vikings are part of the fabric that has built this league into what it is. Can anyone imagine the NFC North without them. One of the most, if not the most, classic divisions in football. Just sad. They need to build the stadium. Too much money, too many jobs created by this team for them to just disappear into LA. Very sad day for the NFL if this comes to happen.

  67. jimmysee says: Apr 19, 2012 10:24 AM

    “Socialized Medicine is a bottomless money pit, Stadiums and major league franchises produce jobs, profit and economic gains for a lot of people in a large area.

    That’s actually not true. We have socialized medicine in the form of VA hospitals and care for veterans. The system provides quality care at managed cost.

    Nearly the entire western world offers similar single payer care. Only the US leaves tens of millions uninsured — the cost of their care is paid by the rest of us.

  68. vetdana says: Apr 19, 2012 10:27 AM

    Why….do so many people think the Vikings proposed Move yo LA will succeed ? Just explain to me how the economy in that area has improved, since the last three teams have moved away from there ?Having lived there, I will say that the landscape has not improved enough to keep the Vikes there, once they move.They will not sell out a new stadium on a consistent basis.!!The NFL has gotten to be just too expensive for all but the wealthy, and there are not enough of them to sell out the stadiums…Period !!!

  69. fcmlefty1 says: Apr 19, 2012 10:28 AM

    Goddell is preaching to the choir when he makes his statement towards Gov. Dayton. Dayton is 100% behind getting this thing done. Its the house and/or senate that has derailed this thing.

  70. evangelcomes says: Apr 19, 2012 10:29 AM

    If Walmart wanted this they’d get it; I’m sure Governor Daytons family business Target gets what they want i.e. The new Twins ballpark, this is ridiculous, if the legislative body wanted a raise they’d call a special session…get with it Minnesota, or get run over! Again!!

  71. mizzouram says: Apr 19, 2012 10:29 AM

    It would truly be a shame if the Vikes left Minny. I feel bad for the fans, but I think in this case, I gotta side with the owner.

    Wilf has been trying for 6 years to get this done with no result, so it’s time to start cracking heads.

    The Metrodome looks like a dump on TV, I can only immagine what its like to watch a game in there.

  72. effedinLA says: Apr 19, 2012 10:30 AM

    Thank you Minnesota for being the sports farm team home for Los Angeles. BTW: you can keep the Twins. Baseball sucks anyway.

  73. jimmysee says: Apr 19, 2012 10:30 AM

    “dryzzt23 says:
    Apr 19, 2012 10:18 AM

    jimmysee, being a working stiff is a CHOICE. Republicans have never played the class warfare game, that is the #1 play in the Democrat playbook. If Republicans are labeled as the class of the rich, why on earth would we have any reason to use a class warfare argument?

    ———————————————————–

    Because every chance they get, they take it out of your hide. Lower taxes for the rich. The-so-called job creators — except where are the jobs generated from all those low taxes over the last 10 years?

    If you’re a working stiff, your income has taken a serious hit in the last 12 years while the rich get richer.

    Stop listening to so much fox news and right wing talk. Those folks are not your friends.

  74. Pets to Go says: Apr 19, 2012 10:30 AM

    @upperdecker19: I see both yours and binkystevens’ points.
    But apparently, the priorites of the people in LA do not include the NFL.

    After all, it’s a bidness.

  75. dat504 says: Apr 19, 2012 10:32 AM

    I feel sorry for the real Viking fans to have to feel the wrath of Lord GODdell. But for you other crybabies that say the Saints stole your Super Bowl, and move the Saints, and move the Jaguars…….Lmao I guess you will load up on sky miles flying to L.A.

  76. mnomalley says: Apr 19, 2012 10:33 AM

    LA doesn’t wan’t the Vikings. You can’t have two professional sports team in the same city with the same color jerseys. You would have a lot of fans wearing Kobe jersers to the Vikes game and not make a lot of revenue of jersey sales.

  77. sportmentary says: Apr 19, 2012 10:35 AM

    When the Vikes leave and then the fans start reacting, I will say “Boo Hoo, you want a Kleanex you idioty?” I live in the area and I sometimes wonder how smart people act so stupid.

    “Taking food out of hungry people’s lives”? Are you a complete cracker jack? Right now, there isn’t any initiative to feed the hungry. There won’t be any additional funds for that.

    The stadium will either be funded by an increase in sales tax by 1/4 of 1 percent or through another initiative like gambling or lottery revenue.

    Those funds aren’t earmarked for hungry families and the same morons who cry foul about a stadium aren’t asking their lawmakers to do that.

  78. desertviking64 says: Apr 19, 2012 10:36 AM

    http://minnesota.cbslocal.com/2011/11/08/good-question-how-much-will-minn-lose-if-vikings-leave/

    This is an study of what the state will lose if the team leaves

  79. glac1 says: Apr 19, 2012 10:36 AM

    Not wise for an outside NFL official to tell local residents what they must do. It should be decided by the people in a public vote. That is the reason why so many have given their life for this country.

  80. ruvelligwebuike says: Apr 19, 2012 10:37 AM

    “Regarding so-called “class warfare” — Republicans have been waging class warfare on working stiffs, and now the middle class (or what’s left of it) for years — decades. Any comment from that side of the aisle on this subject is truly the pot calling the kettle black.”
    ——————–

    You are a very good fan of the greatest organization in sport’s history, but man, you are dumb.

  81. hack19 says: Apr 19, 2012 10:37 AM

    I hope that the league lets them change their nickname when they move.

  82. dryzzt23 says: Apr 19, 2012 10:37 AM

    Jimmysee….tell me….when is the last time you were hired by a POOR person?

    Tell me how many jobs are created by POOR people?

    When was the last time a POOR person donated millions to build a Children’s Hospital?

    The rich pay more than 72% of the tax revenue (rich = ppl making >$250k).

    Most of the country pay ZERO taxes yet they are the ones who complain.

    Poor people are poor for a reason, usually its b/c they made stupid choices in their life and they want someone else to pay for it instead of admitting their screw-up and improving their life on their own terms.

  83. EJ says: Apr 19, 2012 10:40 AM

    The L.A. Vikings. It doesn’t sound right. Maybe the L.A. Kings… Oh wait… Taken. How about the L.A. Conquerors? Now that has a nice ring to it.

  84. gmen4life33 says: Apr 19, 2012 10:43 AM

    “Yeah Minnesota, stop being frugal with public funds! You should spend it all on a stadium where you know you won’t get any back! Great idea Goodell, go back to wrecking football and stay out of politics.”

    “Id be upset too if I couldnt con a bunch of hardworking families into helping fund my investments.
    Why do billionaires need public funding for their stadiums? You hear everyday about the evil of having socialized medicine, why is socialized football stadiums such a given?”

    You guys do realize having a stadium/NFL team pumps tons of money into the economy? Restaurants, retailers, real estate values all increase, providing more jobs and money for local families. It’s business, you cant expect the owner to pay for the entire thing, and for the MINN to profit from that for free. All this “I hate rich people, they should pay they are rich” is stupid. Its simple, MINN economy will be helped by keeping team and building a new stadium, so they should help pay for SOME of it.

  85. theravenlives2 says: Apr 19, 2012 10:44 AM

    everyone who says the billionaire needs to build his own stadium or the nfl needs to build their own stadium need to know… that’s not one of the choices. the choices are:
    A) public helps build stadium because they feel having the team is worth it.
    B) vikings leave minnesota.
    fantasize all you like, but there is no C.

    ================================
    Dude hit this right on the head. He nailed it.

    Hey Vikings fans, this isn’t my first rodeo. My city (Baltimore) has been through this on both sides. If you loose the Vikings, it will cost you BILLIONS to get another team. The NFL is happy with 32 teams, they ain’t expanding anytime soon. If they were, they would have just put a team in L.A. and been done with it.

    Why should the taxpayers finance a stadium? Because if they don’t, some other city (L.A., Portland , San Antonio, Toronto) will. Simple as that. Why would Zygi pay billions for something he can get for free?

    Oh, and I love the guy above who says they can’t move because they have no place to play in L.A. The could temporarily play in the Rose Bowl or the Coliseum until a new stadium is built. The NFL did that in Baltimore (Memorial Stadium) and Tennessee (Liberty Bowl in Memphis).

    The first thought out of my mouth when I found out on that snowy night in 1984 that the Colts were moving was, “They’ll be back!” Well, they never came back, and it took us 13 years to get another team. The state of Maryland was within a month of pulling the funding for the Ravens Stadium when Modell announced he was moving. Us getting the Ravens was literally a half-court shot at the buzzer that went in (well, that and Cleveland’s stupidity).

    Don’t be stupid…get this done…NOW. If you don’t you can kiss pro-football goodbye in Minnesota…probably forever.

  86. sbusche316 says: Apr 19, 2012 10:46 AM

    The state of Minnesota is full of ignorant people that claim they want a better economy for their state. How is that possible if you lose the Vikings? Wouldn’t a new stadium bring construction jobs, service jobs in hotels, food, beverage jobs? Who visits downtown Minneapolis in the fall and winter except Viking fans. When we go to games hotels are full and businesses are booming. Even though the construction jobs will end how many stadium jobs will be available. The events will be endless from high school sports to major concerts. All money going into the community. How will letting the Vikings go improve the city and state? It won’t and it will be a major step backwards. My son wants to go to a Vikings game and he will never get to. We spend a few thousand $ every time we go but now that he is older he is now able to go. I will never visit the state of Minnesota and put money in to an economy that is run by selfish morons. Yes Wilfs could pay but why should they put up all the money and let the state benefit from his investment? Good riddens Minnesota.

  87. fargovikesfan says: Apr 19, 2012 10:47 AM

    all you uninformed idiots that have the only argument of “let the billionaire owner build his own stadium” would be the first people bitching when the state and city didn’t get a dime from the stadium. If the state and city put up money, they share in the profits. not only from vikings games, but anything else that goes on at the stadium. The state is the one demanding a roof on the place, Zygi would prefer an open air stadium. The reason? If Zygi built his own stadium the state/city of Minneapolis would still have to try to keep the Metrodump afloat to host the things they want to have a closed roof stadium for. But guess what, if there’s no stadium and the vikings leave, there’s also no chance of getting a Super Bowl, NCAA Final Four, or any of the other HUGE money making events that a new stadium would bring in. On top of that all the lost revenue that the team brings to the state in the form of income tax, tourism, etc. And if the gaming lobbyists would back off, the White Earth Tribe has offered to cut the state a check for $400 million to cover the state portion of a stadium in return for letting them build a metro-area casino. That would mean ZERO state money being used. But noooo they can’t do that. The Minnesota Legislature shows exactly whats wrong with politics today. Vote every damn one of them out that are responsible if the team leaves.

  88. cmarsh64 says: Apr 19, 2012 10:48 AM

    sirmixalotalot & binkystevens are both on point with there statements. If the state doesn’t help with the funding they get NOTHING in return and the owner can leave at will whenever he/she chooses at least this way there is a lease between both parties and they can’t just leave in the middle of the night. The same people making 20k-40k a year still find away to go see the Vikings.NFL stadiums are about a partnership and yes Kraft built his stadium and the city the infrastructure ie roads,bridges etc.But he also has the RIGHT to move them anytime he wants should a sweet offer come up. What happens when Kraft no longer runs things and his children run them,maybe they will like the glitz and glamour of LA and the weather is much better than New England winters.The ownership in LA has plans for a team to play at a college stadium till the new one is complete and this has been done several times in the NFL.

  89. bmue42 says: Apr 19, 2012 10:49 AM

    dont worry vikes fans, theyll prob let the state hold onto the colors and name of the team when they leave, and when you guys build your own stadium in 5 years with public funds at twice the price and no money from an a owner or the nfl then youll get your team back 3-5 years after the stadium is finished and will be outdated before the first game is even played in it. i say that because the nfl wont return to minn until the stadium is finished and then some to prove a point

    looks like the pack will be playin the rams twice a year

  90. sevensixtwonato says: Apr 19, 2012 10:55 AM

    Don’t care anymore….as long as they show up to my TV in HD it really does not matter where they are played.

    Minnesota is not my home state, and I don’t feel a huge attachment to it. So for what its is worth coming from an “outsider’, this state is beautiful, but man it is run by a bunch of f’orons….

  91. wipackman1265 says: Apr 19, 2012 10:57 AM

    Business in big communities is a cooperative and the State, City and County all benefit enormously from having major league sports. So they all come together to make a deal that works for all.

    Minneapolis becomes much less attractive to company’s and some will move business to other city’s that are major league caliber.

    Good for the Vikings that they finally quit dinking around and said it like it is.

    NOW…. a deal will get done !!!

  92. cereal blogger says: Apr 19, 2012 10:58 AM

    Goodell is clearly the emporer in all of this but who is Darth Vader ?

  93. taintedsaints2009 says: Apr 19, 2012 10:59 AM

    Imagine Apple, Warrne Buffett, or Bill Gates asking tax payers to pay for their new billion dollar office buildings…people would laugh at them.

    this is the same thing. this is a billioinaire owner trying to get a free ride like the Twins did. don’t get me started on the Twins. How is that half empty stadium these days? looks like another loser team as well.

    Float bonds, Mr. Wilf. that’s what all companies do when they need money to expand.

  94. mas151 says: Apr 19, 2012 10:59 AM

    Who is holding this up?

    Kurt Zellers (R-Maple Grove) and Amy Koch (R-Buffalo).

  95. sbusche316 says: Apr 19, 2012 11:00 AM

    Same old game you have to put up some money to make money and obviously Minnesota has not learned that yet. Goodbye to a lot of revenue from the team being in Minnesota. Lets see how Hubert’s and other service establishments fill up when there is no Viking games. They might make it a year or two.

  96. mas151 says: Apr 19, 2012 11:00 AM

    Oh yeah, while I will hate to see the Vikings leave, I will Love seeing the Packers every week.

  97. xx4zu1 says: Apr 19, 2012 11:04 AM

    Maybe some of you should Google do stadiums pay for themselves. There are at least 8 cities still paying for stadiums that are no longer in use. If the state of Minnesota can’t and won’t pay for a stadium to be built you can’t blame them unless you personally would be willing to take on debt that you can’t afford. However business is business and as we’ve learned these past few years companies have absolutely no loyalty to their customers. They move their business to the most profitable location. Lets be honest if the NFL could get cheap labor from China and still maintain their popularity in the US the would.

  98. chocopoppy says: Apr 19, 2012 11:06 AM

    For all those who complina about ANY public financing, you realize this is how the game is played, right? A significant portion is kicked in by the owner and a bigger chunk publicly. Adn they can do this because the city knows that having a team is an asset to the region, makes it more attractive, etc. If you want to stand on principals and refuse to kick in a few extra dollars in taxes, fine, but know you’ll be rooting for the LA Vikings.
    Also, how is this different than all the companies to squeeze tax abatements to move into your city or state? Or all the tax code breaks that help millionaires deduct this and deduct that?

  99. amaf21 says: Apr 19, 2012 11:07 AM

    MN fans – how does it feel to be hammered by The Commish Sean Payton style?

  100. cereal blogger says: Apr 19, 2012 11:12 AM

    It seemed as though the Midwest was evolving, when did the tea party bible belt politicians move in (same goes for you Wisconsin) ? The Midwest is a cool place, please dont let these sh*tkickers ruin a good thing…..

  101. vikesfansteve says: Apr 19, 2012 11:12 AM

    I am personally tired of hearing all the simpletons and no nothing’s coming on here saying why should I finance a billionaire’s stadium. First off the tax is so minimal it will not be noticed and it’s on luxury items. It is not a .25% tax like many have stated, it would be .025%. In other words your one dollar coke will be 1 dollar and 2 cents and the 5 dollar beer will be 5 dollars 10 cents. That is nothing! Pay an extra dime every 5 you spend or the Vikings are gone. Now don’t forget all the jobs and taxable revenue they will be taking with them. Not to mention the jobs that would be created by a year round attraction not just a stadium for Sunday. Now add in public transportation, parking fee’s, resturarants, upgraded roads and infrastructure. Also the hundreds of thousands of new jobs for the construction of the new stadium and adjacent hotels, buildings and attractions but also the demolition of that eyesore the metrodump that was built on the cheap, had a roof collapse twice, the last one could have easily killed many people. The stadium is a dirty, poorly lit, vacuum chamber. If the Vikings leave it will still cost the taxpayers 6.5 million a year to maintain a facility which hosts nothing. Now the Vikings are gone and so are the jobs and all that taxable revenue and all that’s left is an empty ghost town in the winter and businesses that have been around for 20 years have to close there doors because nobody comes to town anymore. No reason to go out to sports bar on Sunday anymore with no NFL team in town. All of that lost taxable revenue gone, what will the politicians do to supplement it, raise taxes. The law of supply and demand. The NFL is a product in high demand, if the Wilf’s can supply a team to LA and make 2 billion dollars why wouldn’t he? Instead he is trying to stay in MN and offering to pay for 46% of the stadium himself. The stadiums in Baltimore, Cleveland, Houston, Indianapolis 100% financed by the taxpayers for example. So MN doesn’t want to help a billionaire and the Vikings leave and 10 years down the road the people tired of paying such high taxes and having the state finances dwindle to nothing get their wish for an expansion team. Now they have to pay 250 million for the rights to a team and another 10 billion for a stadium when they could have kept the Vikings in town for 350 million. All because you didn’t want to pay 2 cents extra on a dollar coke.

  102. feck12a says: Apr 19, 2012 11:13 AM

    the new york yankees built a stadium with there own money, the redskins built with there own money, nascar has had racetracks built with private money, there’s no reason why these owners with there billions of dollars t.v. contracts can’t build there own stadium

  103. 1historian says: Apr 19, 2012 11:13 AM

    “It is the Minnesota House and the Minnesota Senate that is derailing/stopping this financing”, seems to be the claim/accusation here.

    What is wrong with that?

    A billionaire owner wants the people of Minnesota to build him a stadium – he doesn’t pay a cent, a lot of it is tax-free for him, through the genius of the PSL he gets to charge suckers/people God only knows how much just to have the privilege of buying season tickets, FORGET the price of actual tickets which will start high and go higher and higher every year and if you don’t keep buying them you’re sunk – the PSL is non-refundable.

    So far – the times being what they are tickets will be way out of the question for the working people of Minnesota, and forget those who can’t find work. Lest we forget – These are the people who VOTE for the Senators and House Members.

    Go figure

    FYI – I am a Pats fan and our stadium was paid for with private funds.

  104. azvikefan says: Apr 19, 2012 11:13 AM

    Bonfire at my house the day after the announcement the Vikes are leaving.
    I’m burning all my 50 years of Vikings gear.

  105. thankheavenfornumberseven says: Apr 19, 2012 11:15 AM

    The ignorance of the commenters on this site is astounding. The proposed funding mechanisms for the stadium are not ideal, but they’re relatively painless for the taxpayer. In Minneapolis, it’s continuing a tax that everyone is already paying (has a tax ever gone away?). For the state, it’s electronic pulltabs, which are voluntary. Sure, in an ideal world, the owner would pay for the whole stadium and we’d all get to enjoy our football team without giving up a single thing. We’re in the real world, though. Zygi doesn’t have to leverage himself to the hilt to finance a stadium because any number of other cities will give him a stadium for free! So if you don’t want to spend $2.50 for every $1000 you spend in Minneapolis, fine. Just don’t complain when your team moves to another city and your state has to raise your income taxes to make up for the revenue lost by no longer having an NFL team.

  106. jucam1 says: Apr 19, 2012 11:16 AM

    I back the state on their stance that the team should pay for the stadium, I truly do…. However, if there are other cities who see the economic benefit of bringing this NFL franchise in and Minneapolis doesn’t (through the votes of its politicians which the citizens voted in) then the Vikings should absolutely go!… Aren’t the conservatives always telling us that the free market should rule?… I think they should go to LA where the people (through their publicly elected politicians) are willing to fork over the money!… If you put yourself in the shoes of the owners why would you spend your money, when someone else is willing to spend their’s for you?… I don’t want to see the Vikings leave Minny, but the people of Minnesota know what it takes, and they can’t afford it, or don’t want to… Either way, i think the team should leave for the best offer possible…. That is the America we live in now

  107. jonasgrumbyoftx says: Apr 19, 2012 11:16 AM

    Well, at least I’ll get to see the Packers once a year.

  108. gripless says: Apr 19, 2012 11:16 AM

    I’m a huge Vikings fan but this state sucks. Everyone loves to say how this state wins awards like “most liveable city” yet fails to comprehend this is part of the investment. I don’t want the team to move but they should. What does it say about a state where one representative gets sworn in on a Koran and another is a comedian.

    Looks like many more comedians trying to manage a state. At the expense of the true fans, take the team to a state with leaderhsip and vision.

  109. didyoujustsaythatdude says: Apr 19, 2012 11:17 AM

    For those of you that think that the current stadium bill would take money from starving children, rob education of funds or any other class warfare tactic you can come up with you are flat out mistaken or lying. The Vikings portion, 400+ million is just that. The states portion comes from a new gambling revenue stream that you do not need to participate in. The city of Minneapolis portion comes from an existing tax that was originally put in place to pay for the Metrodome. Which by the way has been hijacked to pay for other goodies that has nothing to do with its original intent. There are no additional tax burdens on Minnesotans unless you choose to participate in electronic pulltabs. What are you afraid of Minnesota legislature? Let this bill come the the floor for a real debate!!

  110. holdsteady76 says: Apr 19, 2012 11:18 AM

    The plan that was rejected used gambling proceeds and luxury suite taxes to pay for the State’s portion. What’s the problem???
    The White Earth Tribe is even waiting in the wings saying they will pay 100% of the State’s portion if they are allowed to build a casino downtown (great do it – that brings more tax revenue into Hennepin county). The White Earth Tribe is even willing to continue paying the State after the stadium is paid off. Yes that means your taxes may be lowered (all things being equal).

    People who are against this are simply grand standing on political ideals. “welfare for billionaires” … non sense. There are plenty of funding options that do not affect you taxes, and in fact the White Earth option will eventually HELP lower your taxes as their contributions will continue after the stadium is paid for. But rather than consider REALITY you people choose to stand fast to you ideals. Well done. if this team leaves eventually we will demand a new team at much higher cost (interest rates and property costs will certainly be higher in the future).

    Get off your soap boxes and think about the true costs of this and the benefits it brings to our community. This political stupidity has gone on long enough – on the State level and National level – nothing is getting done. ENOUGH.

  111. lv00799 says: Apr 19, 2012 11:19 AM

    Hey State of Minnesota.It’s pay me now or pay me later time.If you let the Vikings leave your citizens will demand an NFL expansion team & you will build a new stadium just like Houston & Cleveland.

    Pay now.The stadiums only get more expensive in the future.

  112. 97tahoe says: Apr 19, 2012 11:20 AM

    My head is spinning after reading all these posts.

    1) It’s not the “fans” that are stalling the stadium, it’s the politicians.

    2) The stadium will not be owned by the Vikings. It will be publicly owned.

    3) The Vikings & the NFL are not all of a sudden threatening to leave, it’s a last resort. They have been strung along for YEARS!!!!!

  113. pattersonconsulting says: Apr 19, 2012 11:21 AM

    I think Minnesotans have made it pretty clear. We’re not interested in giving a multi-million dollar corporation a boat load of cash so that they can make more money. Other stadiums (see Dallas and New York) were built with mostly private funding. If the Vikings can’t live within their means, let them leave. All the stadium proponents fear a public vote because they know it will fail, that is all you really need to know. Bye Vikings, you’ve “entertained” us over the years, but we don’t owe you anything.

  114. longdrivesaint says: Apr 19, 2012 11:22 AM

    Maybe the Oakland Raiders will share the stadium with ya since they handed your a#% to ya in the last of the 4 SB you’ve been to.

  115. mogogo1 says: Apr 19, 2012 11:24 AM

    When owners build their own stadiums, the teams are much less likely to move anytime soon because a stadium is a hugely expensive asset that is almost impossible to unload once there’s no longer a pro football team to use it. When the city/state builds them it’s much easier for the team to bolt. They either can wait out the lease if it’s short enough or just pay the penalty.

    And the idea that the public makes money by building stadiums is fiction. In virtually every case, the team ends up with almost all the money from concessions, parking, etc.

  116. rightwingguy says: Apr 19, 2012 11:24 AM

    The Vikings would use the stadium 10 times maybe more, the rest of the time it is used for other things like Monster Jam and concerts.
    The state will benifit, I don’t know why you idiots don’t see that.
    The Wilfs have put up a lot of their own money to make this happen and the state still has no balls.
    I plan on voting against all those jackasses.

  117. jcaro5566 says: Apr 19, 2012 11:25 AM

    I think there should be a Federal law the outlaws public funding of stadiums and facilities for privately owned teams. This way it would eliminate billionaires from blackmailing states to fund expenditures they should be covering themselves!

  118. sparky151 says: Apr 19, 2012 11:26 AM

    The city, county, or state should just use eminent domain to buy the team. The fair market value of the franchise is about as much as a new stadium would cost. The NFL is basically a partnership of the 32 franchises and has rules against public ownership with Green Bay grandfathered in. Those rules wouldn’t stand up in court vs eminent domain however. The US Supreme court has blessed the use of eminent domain for lots of things that weren’t originally contemplated by the founders of the country, so there’s no legal obstacles, just the matter of coming up with the cash. Since the publicly owned franchise could continue to play in the Metrodome, there’s no need for a referendum if the politicians can agree among themselves.

  119. eyeh8goodell says: Apr 19, 2012 11:28 AM

    Leave it to Roger Goodell to try and strong-arm the government. The epitome of hubris.

    Let the NFL fund their own venues. We all know they have the money. And if not, then let the Vikings leave so the NFL can learn 2 hard lessons:

    1) That LA still will not support a football team, and

    2) There are plenty of major metro cities doing just fine not having resident NFL teams.

  120. flannlv says: Apr 19, 2012 11:28 AM

    Minnesota* Vikings fans. The all powerful God-ell has spoken. So quick to jump up and down and praise him when he leveled unprecedented punishment against a city and franchise, looks like the shoe is on the other foot.

    LA VIKINGS doesn’t sound so bad.

  121. sean6886 says: Apr 19, 2012 11:29 AM

    flair1239 says:
    Apr 19, 2012 9:38 AM
    I am a life long Vikings Fan. I will say this, we have the worst most ignorant fans in the league.

    The state deserves to lose this team, not only because of the self serving posturing of the politicians on both sides of the aisle, but also because of the general contempt that the average fan displays towards this franchise.

    Here’s the thing. Why is it fair for tax payers to pay for a stadium? This is a stadium for a recreational sport played once a week for 5 months out of the year. I’m a sports fan, but if these billionaires own the teams and pay them millions in salaries and then charge the fans loads just to see a game, why can’t they afford it? It always comes down to the taxpayers and if the NFL/NBA/MLB don’t get their way, they turn their noses and leave-case in point, the Seattle Super Sonics, Cleveland Browns, Baltimore Colts.
    I’m not trying to turn this into a political thing because I hate mixing them but threatening to take away a beloved team that sells out seats just because the city/state refuses is stupid. Do the taxpayers get anything out of the deal for their investment, like a monthly royalty check-no. What if you’re not a fan of sports? Do you get a choice to opt out? No. Why is it our schools are crumbling but our sports stadiums are state of the art and both are paid for by taxpayers?

  122. joekappedyourass says: Apr 19, 2012 11:31 AM

    “serious consequences” ??? . Oh no! This is my scared face :|

    You told us no more games in the dome til a new stadium agreement is reached…well no agreement, and guess what? We got 8 more games. We are going to abuse you as long as you let us. You had nothing doing in LA earlier this month at the time of the filing deadline, and you got nothing going now. This isn’t Minnesota’s first rodeo being threatened by a commissioner (selig anyone?)

    we called his bluff, and we sure as hell will call goodels.

  123. clintonportisheadd says: Apr 19, 2012 11:32 AM

    “Zygi doesn’t have to leverage himself to the hilt to finance a stadium because any number of other cities will give him a stadium for free!”

    —————————————-

    Name one. I dare you.

    And don’t say LA because its not “free”. Phil Anshutz wants a minority interest in the team at a steep discount to build it a stadium.

  124. genaro1331 says: Apr 19, 2012 11:35 AM

    Perhaps this should give those stupid Capital One commercials some merit as there are Vikings pilaging the greater Los Angeles are…..

  125. tombrookshire says: Apr 19, 2012 11:35 AM

    There you have it from Don Goodell of the NFL-fia. Let em go. I wouldn’t stand for that kind of crap if I were the governor. Now let’s see if the state caves.

  126. ezmagic says: Apr 19, 2012 11:38 AM

    Not LA!! This would be the 3rd NFL team LA has had if they moved there. Hmm maybe try a new younger sports city.. Like ORLANDO! The citrus bowl is being upgraded again so there is no stadium issues.

  127. minnesconsin says: Apr 19, 2012 11:39 AM

    couple of thoughts from someone who has no strong opinion. live in MN, don’t cheer for the vikes, am fine w/ public funding if its agreed-upon legally.

    what people don’t understand is that it’s illegal for the city of Minneapolis — not for the State – to pay this money without approval via public referendum. City charter states expenditures of over $10M for sports facilities require referendum. The current deal calls for Mpls to contribute $150M. The fact that the city & Hennepin County let the Twins do an end-run for Target Field is despicable and illegal and shouldn’t be referenced as a precedent. Arguing that the Vikes should get the same treatment is absurd.

    What the City wants to do is pay that $150M — not to the Vikings for a stadium — to a figurehead organization whose sole purpose is to make payments to the Vikes for their stadium. Yeah, that sounds legit.

    One last point: the notion that the team leaving would cripple the city/state economically isn’t really supported by the facts. The majority of the people employed by the team would remain employed by the team. They’d move with them. The people who run the concessions, etc? Guess what? At the dome, they’re all volunteers. Look it up. Stadium construction jobs are a band-aid. They might take someone off the unemployment line for a couple years, then the job disappears again. Local entertainment and hospitality? The area around the dome is almost a wasteland as it is. There are very few restaurants or hotels in the immediate vicinity. They’re all closer downtown or in the warehouse district near Target Field and all the concert venues, etc.

  128. dviking72 says: Apr 19, 2012 11:39 AM

    I have been a fan of the Vikings since 1988. To think the Vikings would leave Minnesota is almost surreal. The politicians should be brought up on charges to the full extent of the law. There is no way with the money Wilf is putting up should this bill not pass. Whenever politicians get involved in pro sports it never ends well. It should be about the Vikings, getting a stadium, so generations ahead of us can enjoy watching one of this countries greatest sports. The Vikings belong in Minnesota. That would be like Boston, without the Red Sox. They are an icon to the state, and in the end the new stadium will generate jobs and bring more fans out to tailgate and enjoy the NFL experience. If there is truly any Vikings fans out there that feel frustrated, let’s start a march and protest, and stand up to these politicians that are driving our team away.

  129. boltdaddy says: Apr 19, 2012 11:48 AM

    All fans of teams who need a new stadium (San Diego for me) missed our opportunity during the creation of the current NFL CBA. Both owners and players should have made contributions toward new stadium funding, not municipalities, unless the NFL is willing to give our citities and equity position in the team.

    When a new factory goes up the business pays for it. They may get tax favors but that is about it. I am willing to go as far as tax abatement but that is about it unless we get an equity position.

  130. thesportgenius says: Apr 19, 2012 11:49 AM

    thepathtothedraft says: Apr 19, 2012 9:35 AM

    Why do billionaires need public funding for their stadiums? You hear everyday about the evil of having socialized medicine, why is socialized football stadiums such a given?

    “““““““““`
    Why? Because they can…it is business (something billionaires are really good at) and the value to the city of having and NFL franchise located there has a monetary value. LA is just waiting for a team to move into a stadium they will build. Bigger market, better terms, it’s a no brainer if Minny doesn’t wise up.

  131. enetpartners says: Apr 19, 2012 11:50 AM

    So just so I’m clear…..Are the consequences that the Viking leave? That is unless we the people commit to giving our hard earned money to pay for a stadium that will then have the ownership gouge us with PSL’s, crazy parking fees and ridiculous concession prices causing most of us not to be able to afford to attend a game EVER? Amazing….

    Does Walmart ask us to pay for building their next store so that we can have the honor to shop there?

    Spend the billion on our schools where its needed and build the stadium on you own dime!

  132. dcviking says: Apr 19, 2012 11:52 AM

    Once again, I raise the question:

    Would this be different if the Vikings were owned by a local?

    Somebody who had ties to the community that extended beyond the sports franchise.

    How much the state legislature react if the Pohlads or Glen Taylor owned the team.

  133. dvdman123 says: Apr 19, 2012 11:57 AM

    Man this commish is a riot….now he’s threatening U.S. governors.

  134. vgferenzi says: Apr 19, 2012 11:57 AM

    People can’t have it both ways, yes he is a billionaire, yes he owns the team. If you want to take the stance of “build your own stadium” then don’t be upset when he takes the team to a city that will build the stadium. The same thing happened in Seattle with the Sonics, no one wants to build a stadium, not the taxpayer’s problem etc… then they tried to legislate ownership into staying. If it’s a private business it has to be so when it is both convenient and inconvenient. If you don’t want to pay for a stadium, fine, I respect that, but don’t be the same hypocrite that is bitching about greedy Ziggy when he takes the team to L.A. As far as what Goodell will do?? How about push through the deals that the city of L.A., state of California, and several financial partnerships have been hoping to use to bring TWO teams to L.A. If you don’t think Goodell can stop dragging his feet on L.A. and push Minn to move, you would be wrong.

  135. glac1 says: Apr 19, 2012 11:57 AM

    the democrats in Minnesota better wake up and let this thing go to a vote of the people. They’re the party that continues to hold things up. This project shouldn’t be that hard to put together. Let a local municipality step up, make a proposal and let the PEOPLE vote.

  136. musicman495 says: Apr 19, 2012 11:57 AM

    For those who are convinced that LA is the perfect landing spot for the Vikings (like their current ownership and management?), don’t be too sure. The guy who wants to pay to build the stadium in LA also wants to own the team there. Unless Zygi Wilf plans to sell, he will have to pay for his own stadium there too.

    My guess is that, if they move, the Vikings are more likely to move to some place like San Antonio, which has been courting the NFL for some time (remember Tom Benson might have moved the Saints there after Katrina if not for Tagliabue forbidding it) and already has a stadium in place.

  137. tmkelley1 says: Apr 19, 2012 11:58 AM

    I live in So. Cal., and I can tell you unequivocally that we do not want the Vikings to move here. Period. The team belongs in Minn., is a part of it, and there is no way the spirit of that team, the whole Viking “thing” works in a desert environment.

    And here’s the other thing: those who bash us here don’t understand the dynamic. So many of us here come from somewhere else, and we root for those teams. There are so many Stiller fans here it makes you wonder if anyone still lives in Pittsburgh. Most of us transplants love the absence of the NFL because we get to watch so much more on TV, minimum six games a week with the advent of Thursday night football. Sure as heck do not miss the Rams or Raiders!

    Besides, we already have a pro team: the USC Trojans.

  138. cags777 says: Apr 19, 2012 11:59 AM

    To the stadium opponents on this thread: Please come up with something more than the “corporate welfare for billionaires” line. It is old and played out. What many of you and the politicians publicly posturing against this realize is that none of the money being proposed for the Vikings is coming out of the general fund. None! Furthermore, there were no tax increases and will not add to the state’s deficit. Besides, if you were a resident of Minnesota, you would realize that our elected officials haven’t done the best job funding other things like K-12 education, transportation, health care, and jobs. What makes you believe they’ll focus on those more if the Vikings left the state?

    flair1239 said it best in an earlier thread. I will add that it’s the overall stubbornness from our elected officials that keep bringing us to these points of losing things and then paying an arm and leg years after the fact. It goes beyond losing the Lakers to L.A. and the North Stars to Dallas.

    Our elected officials have also put off important things like bridge repairs and building maintenance of public buildings. You have the I-35W bridge collapse in 2007 and the Metrodome roof collapse in 2010 as references. Both major parties are to blame for operating under the “it’s good enough to get by” approach for too long. It’s often backfired and has been an embarrassment for Minnesota residents.

    For the record, I didn’t like the Metrodome site, but was willing to go along with it as long as we kept the Vikings in Minnesota. If we don’t get this done, I feel we will lose the team. And unlike Baltimore and Cleveland, we may never get a team back because of the stubborn ways of our elected officials.

  139. sudz28 says: Apr 19, 2012 12:01 PM

    “Serious consequences”? Sorry, I love the NFL almost more than my own family, but it’s a GAME and there is no such thing as ‘serious consequences’ to anything that happens to the league structure. It’s not exactly a life or death situation when a team contemplates moving to a more supportive town.

    A little perspective here, people.

  140. dvdman123 says: Apr 19, 2012 12:02 PM

    binkystevens says:
    Apr 19, 2012 9:45 AM
    I’m a Packer fan, and as much as I absolutely hate the Vikings (and their fans), this is just sad. I can’t stand to see a team like the Vikings, with a strong fan following and history, move to another city like LA.

    I mean, talk about an undeserving location. 2nd largest US city, and can’t even sell out pro games besides the Lakers? They’ve already lost 2 NFL teams…what makes them deserving of a 3rd?

    I guess if they move to LA, Wilf will get his wish – a new stadium. Though I don’t know how useful it will be with no one in it.

    Terrible sports town.

    Post of a year, I’m definitely NOT a Vikings fan but I also agree this is just not right. The team has always been well supported and the fans should not be held hostage like this. As many have stated already let the owner and the NFL pay for a new stadium. L.A. loves it’s pro basketball but for some crazy reason it does support pro football. History has proven this. But the NFL wants to shove a team down their throat anyway…..go figure.

  141. sniksder33 says: Apr 19, 2012 12:07 PM

    Let’s see, the Viking can print up useless pieces of paper and call them shares of stock. Sell them to the fans for $250 a pieces and make millions! What am I thinking, there’s only one fan base that’s dumb enough to buy them!

  142. eaglebranded says: Apr 19, 2012 12:10 PM

    The Governor and the people don’t have to want the stadium. Let them move just don’t cry when businesses close and people start getting laid off . Remember why should you help them Billionaires out. It might not be fair but what is fair. It is what it is period…

  143. purple4reak says: Apr 19, 2012 12:14 PM

    It’s your choice MN…put a couple hundred mill towards the funding of a new stadium and reap the rewards of having a state of the art complex within your states’ borders….OR let your beloved NFL franchise leave, and pay for a couple hundred mill towards clean-up/repair after severe riots take place. This WILL get extremely ugly if they leave…that’s my very confident opinion. You idiots from other areas that spew your ignorant views of how “horrible of fans Vikes fans are” have no clue how passionate we are. Don’t mix up true Vikings fans with these so-called leaders heading our government body. Let them slip away, and let the chaos begin!

  144. watchfullhose says: Apr 19, 2012 12:24 PM

    Playing the Ponzi says:
    Apr 19, 2012 9:43 AM

    “Sounds exactly like what happened in Cleveland through the early 90′s. Confident the Browns would never leave, Cleveland built new arenas for the Cavs and Indians, and built the Rock n Roll Hall of Fame – all without touching Cleveland Municipal Stadium, despite years of promising to upgrade the facility.”

    It SOUNDS like you don’t know what the hell you’re talking about. The City of Cleveland WANTED to build the Browns a new stadium, but Modell liked the deal he had being the “landlord” of the Browns, Indians and other events at municipal stadium. Later, when he saw what a nice facility the Indians had and how not having them as a tennant was hurting his bottom line, he changed his tune (well after the city’s offer for a new facility for the Browns). The City then offered to update municipal stadium and send it to a public vote and Modell agreed. On the day before the vote (which was going to pass -Modell wanted it to fail, so he could move the team) Modell reneged on his agreement and announced the impending move.

    Modell is a low-life and I’m tired of people thinking he is great. He’s not.

    The NFL MADE this guy sell the Ravens because he couldn’t manage his way out of a paper bag!

    The situation in Minnesota is NOTHING like the ordeal Cleveland went through with Modell.

  145. glac1 says: Apr 19, 2012 12:28 PM

    The Vikings have a very long tough road ahead of them. The same thing happened in Wisconsin leading up to their referendum on Lambeau Field. The democrats hi-jacked the project on the STATE level. It took the team and city two years to get approval to vote on the project. In the meantime it almost split the town in two and almost cost them the election.

  146. ickky says: Apr 19, 2012 12:29 PM

    wow@the uninformed posters on this thread

  147. 7ransponder says: Apr 19, 2012 12:30 PM

    thepathtothedraft says:
    Apr 19, 2012 9:35 AM
    “You have a very dejected ownership”

    Id be upset too if I couldnt con a bunch of hardworking families into helping fund my investments.

    ———————–

    Give me a freaking break. This isn’t funding a stadium for him, it’s something the whole state will have use for and oversee ownership on. The potential use and revenue goes far beyond the Vikings (just like Target Field is now, see the concert that’s coming there this summer).

    Furthermore, the single contribution your family would have to make in any tax situation (completely ignoring the fact that the bill on the table contains no general fund tax increases) would be so negligible that no one would notice. This is just the typical Minnesota people rhetoric that gov’t should keep their hands out of things they have no interest in. If this were a bill to fund some super cycling highway, or a grand new center for the arts, the populace that does not support a Vikings stadium bill would be singing a much different tune. It’s all about “me” when it comes to your typical MN resident. Just look at all the stories on the local news that cater to finding a Minnesota connection to ANYTHING under the sun – it all caters to that.

  148. 7ransponder says: Apr 19, 2012 12:36 PM

    flair1239 says:
    Apr 19, 2012 9:38 AM
    I am a life long Vikings Fan. I will say this, we have the worst most ignorant fans in the league.
    ———————-

    Why are you blaming this on the fans? The fans aren’t the ones hiding from a vote. The fans aren’t the ones trying (unsuccessfully) to pander to their consituents in an election year. The fans aren’t the ones playing a game of chicken with a valuable state asset.

    The fans have been speaking and providing insight into why they want a deal here. The fans have been attending rallies and hearings at the capital. The people of the state have been participating in surveys that show growing support for a deal to get done. The fans don’t want the team to leave and you’re blind if you think the vocal minority opposing a stadium represents all Vikings fans.

  149. thraiderskin says: Apr 19, 2012 12:37 PM

    you don’t weight in, you don’t wrestle

  150. snoop24 says: Apr 19, 2012 12:40 PM

    When the Vikes leave and then the fans start reacting, I will say “Boo Hoo, you want a Kleanex you idioty?” I live in the area and I sometimes wonder how smart people act so stupid.

    “Taking food out of hungry people’s lives”? Are you a complete cracker jack? Right now, there isn’t any initiative to feed the hungry. There won’t be any additional funds for that.

    The stadium will either be funded by an increase in sales tax by 1/4 of 1 percent or through another initiative like gambling or lottery revenue.

    Those funds aren’t earmarked for hungry families and the same morons who cry foul about a stadium aren’t asking their lawmakers to do that.
    ———————————————————————
    There won’t be one after they leave either. Get tired of this same ole crap……..education will suffer, feed the poor…….well after they leave this all stays the same and now we are without a team that generates a lot more than just 8 Sunday’s a year. Children hospital visits, Numerous charities to help the poor, stay in school initiatives, and so on. If you are going to argue don’t go there. Ziggy and the whole Vikes org has done more for those charities then you ever will.

  151. bdickey33 says: Apr 19, 2012 12:44 PM

    cappa662 says:
    Apr 19, 2012 9:40 AM
    MN has a huge debt just like every other state… why is it necessary to take money away from schools, police and pay off the debt so that the Vikings could have a new stadium?

    ————————————————-

    So the school and police in MN must be bringing in tons of revenue? What do you think pays for schools and police? The income tax on the 135 million in salary of the Vikings players will now be leaving along with all of the property taxes and lease of the dome? They will have to replace that somehow. Guess how? Tax the people! Either way you’re going to pay you might as well pay for something that brings money in!

  152. rajbais says: Apr 19, 2012 12:47 PM

    It’s sad that no one talked about this!!! The lack of national coverage on this situation is disgraceful!!!!

    All of this is a big reason why the media doesn’t deserve the respect that it gets!!!!

    Plus, how can insiders think that the NFL will just not let the Vikings leave Minnesota even though the Vikings could sue the league for the prevention???

    Everybody had their heads in sand and thought of fairytale endings!!!! Now it’s turning out to be a true league and city tragedy!!!!!

  153. wannabeavikingfan says: Apr 19, 2012 12:49 PM

    Tax payers of MN have the right to be upset about the prospect of using public money to build a stadium. Yes, the construction of the stadium will add to the value of a team owned by a group of rich people. But, are you equally upset about the subsidies given to large corporations in the community? Have you looked into how many dollars in tax breaks and infrastructure construction have gone to major corporations that operate in the state, like General Mills, 3M, Target Corporation, etc.?

    Public money is given to private enterprise every day. The question is whether there is a return on investment on that money. If having a new stadium will generate money for the state, create jobs, and improve the quality of life for citizens and if these things have value equal to or greater than the money the state will put into the project … then there is no question. Build the stadium!

  154. jrdbrn says: Apr 19, 2012 12:52 PM

    The Vikings are going to lose this battle regardless. Stay in Minny, no stadium. Move to LA, no fans.

  155. jelliot1978 says: Apr 19, 2012 12:54 PM

    There are at least two sides to every story and for the story of publicly funded stadiums there are many. To break it down somewhat lets compare owner vs city.

    Owner does not have enough capital to fully fund stadium on his own and the 10-20% of franchise value that it takes to build a stadium is likely not something lenders like to jump at so additional funding is needed else where. Now they will be able to get investors and other sources to aid in the cost but not always good sources so they try to get the city to help with the cost.

    City does have some natural investment in the team as they produce some financial gains but not enough to offset the partnership with the team. There will be some job loss and maybe a little revenue loss but other business will actually benefit from the team leaving and in particular the Mall of America for Minnesota would probably get a noticeable increase in profits as the people will spend their money elsewhere.

    To me, as a Tax payer I would not want the city to help the team over 25% of the costs unless there were provisions in there that helped the city earn more revenue. I don’t know how these agreements are reached between city and team but I do know that the team reaps a lot of rewards from a new stadium such as naming rights, suites, possible increase in seating capacity, PSLs (which I think any publicly funded stadium should not be allowed). For a city or state to help these large business that don’t generate much more revenue then a big supermarket they need to get more kickbacks.

  156. darkhorse08817 says: Apr 19, 2012 1:03 PM

    Screw Goodell and the NFL and their “consequences”. Never understood why taxpayers need to to be on the hook for stadiums that simply serve as sops to the vanity of multi-billionaire team owners. And then charge ticket prices that most of the taxpayers who’d paid for the damn thing can’t afford.

    NFL and the owners are already rich as Croesus, so let them build their own freaking stadiums and pay for them out of their own coffers.

  157. dolfan66r says: Apr 19, 2012 1:10 PM

    Unfortunately Miami may be the next city where a power play happens. Current stadium was funded by private dollars not public but needs major upgrades to attract the Super Bowl again. The inept owner will start blackmailing the state next year I am sure. Fans are staying away and he can blame everything on us.

  158. leroysbutler says: Apr 19, 2012 1:12 PM

    This is Favre’s fault.

  159. canonroad says: Apr 19, 2012 1:15 PM

    Is Goodell allowed to suspend Governors?

    “Who’s holding this up?” Grubman said. “Who doesn’t want this to be voted on? Stand up and be counted.”

    Great quote. Glad to see someone of stature say so. Our elected officials are a bunch of chumps.

  160. johnnyb216 says: Apr 19, 2012 1:16 PM

    Good for them. Good for them…

  161. 4evrnyt says: Apr 19, 2012 1:23 PM

    You ignorant trogs.

    The NFL means millions of dollars for whatever city it’s a part of. Millions of dollars in taxes, tourism involving home games plus the advertising that the team name offers. The residents should be thankful that they have the ability to even host an NFL team but yet you’re all too naive to understand what you have.

    Any city that willingly allows an NFL franchise to leave truly doesn’t deserve one to begin with.

  162. deathtoshorty says: Apr 19, 2012 1:23 PM

    Why in the hell does MN have a 2 house Legislature. We are the only state in the union to have one. All they have done is shut down the state, lose the North Stars, drive up a huge debt spending on social programs making us a welfare state. The politicians kept drawing paychecks while hard working Minnesotans were out of work. Now they cant get anything done with the Vikes in the same manner that they allowed the state to get shut down. If we lose the Vikes or I should say when we lose them the revolt should be on to get rid of the 2 house system and vote every incompetent idiot out of office. Enough is enough.

  163. ruvelligwebuike says: Apr 19, 2012 1:26 PM

    “Let’s see, the Viking can print up useless pieces of paper and call them shares of stock. Sell them to the fans for $250 a pieces and make millions! What am I thinking, there’s only one fan base that’s dumb enough to buy them!”
    ———————-

    I would pay $250 to guarantee my team would stay in the same place and be financially viable. I’ve had bar tabs that high. Plus, if my neighbor didn’t want to pay, they wouldn’t have to.

    Ask a true Viking fan (I heard they actually exist) if they would pay $250 one time to guarantee the Vikings stay in Minnesota forever and get a new stadium.

    One team is 13 time World Champion with an 80,000 person season ticket waiting list. The other is the laughing stalk of professional sports in a state that is mocked and ridiculed by the rest of the Earth (other than Somalia, they love it in Minnesota). And Packer fans are the dumb ones?

  164. dboskie says: Apr 19, 2012 1:26 PM

    I like how people outside of Minnesota make comments about this situation without knowing all of the facts.

    1. This stadium would not be owned by the Vikings. It would be owned by the state, and the non NFL/ NFL game revenues would go to the state. The Vikings even though not getting the revenues for non-NFL activities would still be on the hook to pay some of the expenses that are incurred because of these events.
    2. Local high schools, and colleges that can’t play sporting events such as BASEBALL in the middle of March because of snow would pay the STATE to play in the facility.
    3. Those of you that work for large corporations often times have the state subsidizing your business through tax breaks. If there were no tax breaks, there may not be a corporate headquarters for you to work at. That means no job for you. Are you okay with your employer not getting a tax break to have their offices within driving distance of your home?
    4. The Vikings contribute MILLIONS of dollars to the state in the form of direct (payroll taxes) and indirect funding (hotels, restaurants, etc. etc.).
    Open your eyes people. We need to keep this team in the state. If you don’t want billionares to have tax breaks, I am okay with that. Just be ready to take that stand with ALL big business, and not just a sports franchise. By the way, a sports franchise is big business! Enough said.

  165. lnfinite says: Apr 19, 2012 1:29 PM

    Special session happens and stadium bill gets passed at the midnight hour.

    Book it.

  166. slayer1224 says: Apr 19, 2012 1:29 PM

    Is Goodell just trying to piss off all the teams?

    Saints
    Cowboys
    Redskins
    Vikings

    Who’s next?

  167. garyman1 says: Apr 19, 2012 1:30 PM

    I think it’s a no-brainer….the people should vote on a referedum on wether they should kick-in for portions of it. It’s their money…not ours. Let them decide where they should spend it.
    If they vote to fund part of the new stadium…great ! I hope it’s a good stadium.
    If they vote it down, the team will likely leave but either way, the citizens would have had a say.

  168. peezwizz says: Apr 19, 2012 1:31 PM

    Robert motha flippin’ Kraft. Build me a Casino!

  169. jebdamone says: Apr 19, 2012 1:33 PM

    I am ashamed of my MN brethren.

  170. watchfullhose says: Apr 19, 2012 1:34 PM

    Governors (politicians for that matter) give huge tax abatements to the private industry (and “job creators” – lol) ALL THE TIME to keep them around and.

    How is this any different?

  171. hatesycophants says: Apr 19, 2012 1:34 PM

    Doesn’t Amy Koch have bigger problems to help resolve?

  172. bloggersarenotjournalists says: Apr 19, 2012 1:36 PM

    Minnesota does not deserve football
    Period

    Sick and tired of reading these clowns yammer about how they shouldn’t have to help pay for a stadium.

    Kool, fine, ok, I get it

    But guess what? for nearly 15 years various owners have been told different.

    And guess what else? Someone else IS willing to help pay, and the owners have had enough of being lied to, so KISS your team goodbye.

    Lets see after 2-3 years of no football how f’n fast you wanna help pay for a stadium.

    Clowns
    The lot of yas

  173. rcali says: Apr 19, 2012 1:42 PM

    That sounds like a “Bounty” to me Roger.

  174. cosmoman11 says: Apr 19, 2012 1:44 PM

    Curious to find out if Goodell urges the politicians to find a way to approve funding that does not require a vote of the people. Can’t let the people get in the way of the NFL.

  175. deeppurple23 says: Apr 19, 2012 1:46 PM

    The NFL has pressured the Vikings into being nice and not threatening to move. They wanted a “new” team or “troubled” team in LA, i.e. expansion or Jags. Well now the NFL is upset, so that will change and it will pave the way for the Vikes to leave. Keep in mind that they wanted Arden Hills and only agreed to Downtown because the legislature said that’s what they would approve. You also have an Indian tribe willing to pay the state’s entire portion of the bill and the state still won’t take it. Smells like a move is coming.

  176. mrninetysixchamps says: Apr 19, 2012 2:03 PM

    Why don’t the Vikings get some sponsers and host an auction for the fans. Allow inside access for the highest bidder. Wouldn’t cost a dime. Advertiser’s put their name on it. It would add up if they did this for over 1000 offers. Bid on game used products. Autographed helmets by purple people eaters, a day on the field at training camp, they probably have well over 10,000,000 dollars in game used memorabilia. How about starting at 25,000, the winning bidder gets to spend the draft inside the war room. Look how much Jimmy V raises every year in one week.

  177. skylander14 says: Apr 19, 2012 2:08 PM

    sj39 says:
    Apr 19, 2012 9:45 AM
    Why do billionaires need public funding for their stadiums? You hear everyday about the evil of having socialized medicine, why is socialized football stadiums such a given?

    Socialized Medicine is a bottomless money pit, Stadiums and major league franchises produce jobs, profit and economic gains for a lot of people in a large area.

    ———————-
    Do you know how much money, jobs and economic activity is produced by the healthcare industry?

    It is a lot more than 8 games a year for a football game, If you also consider added productivity from healthy workers its even more of a landslide.

  178. clintonportisheadd says: Apr 19, 2012 2:28 PM

    I just heard that their is a NEW proposal being floated in the legislature to solve the problem.

    The State of Minn will pay $400 million for 40 % of the team. They will THEN match the Wilf group on a 60/40 split of all revenue AND expenses including a new stadium. The agreement includes a clause that the team cannot ever leave Minn (signed by the NFL) so future EXTORTION is eliminated.

    This way the State has protection and Wilf gets his new stadium.

    Alternatively, the State will LOAN Wilf $400 million for his pleasure palace if they get the same guaranty against future extortion and get market rate plus 2% on the loan-which will be paid back in 15 years.

    The consideration of any other deal is absolutely ridiculous.

  179. thankheavenfornumberseven says: Apr 19, 2012 3:27 PM

    I’m so glad Carl Gerbschmidt is on vacation and gb4mn0 got banned. They would have a field day with these stadium stories.

  180. jucam1 says: Apr 19, 2012 3:29 PM

    Blogger I think you are 100% right…. I am not a Vikings fan, nor do i live in Minny, and i am not a hater…. But there seems to be a lot of really conservative leaning folks who are “not going to let the the state fund billionaires!”…I support you frankly, just let the team leave then… This isn’t an option, you guys don’t have a choice… You either vote to pay for half of it now, or, 75% of it later when everyone starts going crazy about not having Viking football…. If the market didn’t allow for the team to have the option to leave then you guys would have a bargaining chip… But you don’t, multiple cities are willing to do what yours doesn’t want to…. What is the problem?… This is capitalism at its finest, and especially you conservative folks should be for the team leaving since you don’t want to pay..

  181. dragonfly99 says: Apr 19, 2012 3:35 PM

    Extortion of an elected official should trigger serious conseqences. I wish our elected officials in Washington DC would look into these type of threats. Lord Goodell has way too much power and maybe our national leaders (if we have any left) should knock this arrogant ass down a few pegs.

  182. granadafan says: Apr 19, 2012 3:40 PM

    Instead of threatening the governor of a state in financial trouble in the middle of a big Bush-era recession, how about Goodell, the leader of a corporation worth hundreds of billions of dollars, tell his multibillionaire owners to build and fund their own stadiums?

  183. darkhorse08817 says: Apr 19, 2012 3:41 PM

    Enough w/ the “stadium benefits” BS. Every single study about the supposed benefits of stadiums in increased tax revenues, that wasn’t funded by the stadium’s proponents, shows that such benefits are wildly exaggerated.

    The taxpayers *never* get as much back in the form of increased tax revenues as the hundreds of millions they shelled out to subsidize multi billionaire team owners.

    And the beneficiaries of stadiums are limited to the teams and owners, plus that relatively small segment of the taxpayer base that consists of those who meet all the following criterion: 1) fans of the team; 2) who prefer to watch the games live rather than on TV; 3) and who are financially comfortable enough to afford the wildly overpriced tickets.

    That’s usually less than 1% of the taxpayers in a state.

  184. saintwho says: Apr 19, 2012 4:01 PM

    yah know after we beat down the vikings in that awesome NFCCG in 2009 and the whining came out of pretty much every fan of the vikings bad mouthing the Saints… I was against them moving anywhere, they been a part of the NFL longer than I have been alive. After all this bounty gate bs fabricated by Goodell and seeing the vikings reactions to it… I hope to hell they move to LA, the fans of the vikings do not deserve a football team, they are no good. Sry for the 2% of the vikings that seem to have some sense, it is the 98% that is screwing you over.

  185. wannabeavikingfan says: Apr 19, 2012 4:19 PM

    Really Darkhorse08817?

    “And the beneficiaries of stadiums are limited to the teams and owners, plus that relatively small segment of the taxpayer base that consists of those who meet all the following criterion: 1) fans of the team; 2) who prefer to watch the games live rather than on TV; 3) and who are financially comfortable enough to afford the wildly overpriced tickets.

    That’s usually less than 1% of the taxpayers in a state.”

    MN has a population of 5.3 million people. So, only about 53,000 people benefit from having the Vikings in the state? The Stadium holds more people than that alone.

    And you left out all of the small business owners who make money based on an association with the team: bars and restaurants that do extra business on game days, shops that sell vikings goods, the people that work at the stadium, etc.

    There is far more benefit here that you acknowledge.

  186. 7ransponder says: Apr 19, 2012 4:21 PM

    thankheavenfornumberseven says:
    Apr 19, 2012 3:27 PM
    I’m so glad Carl Gerbschmidt is on vacation and gb4mn0 got banned. They would have a field day with these stadium stories.

    ——————————

    gb4mn0 got banned? How do you know? ‘Bout damn time if so – how that guy was able to continually directly attack people, use language that I’ve never been able to get past the mods (that somehow always was ok for his posts) and offer absolutely nothing to any post on here ever, blows my mind. I just really don’t get the moderating here.

  187. danoj14 says: Apr 19, 2012 4:29 PM

    @saintwho:

    Are you serious?

    And “all this bounty gate bs fabricated by Goodell.”

    It wasn’t just Vikings fans that came out and bad-mouthed the Saints… for the game and bounty-gate.

    So the Saints fans deserve a football team when you support the bounty system?

    Maybe the NFL should re-locate the Saints. The money and time saved from attending Saints games could go towards learning to read, write, etc…

  188. rando74 says: Apr 19, 2012 4:30 PM

    Lakers bolted. Vikings packing……Why dont they just move the Twins, the Timerwolves and the Wild to LA too and make the whole thing come full circle.

  189. jrbdmb says: Apr 19, 2012 5:32 PM

    “There is far more benefit here that you acknowledge.”

    There is some trickle down benefit, but not nearly enough to justify the cost. Any decent study shows that football stadium are a money pit, and all of the rosy projections of jobs created / money inflow from these stadiums that are used only 10 – 15 times per year turn out to be wild exaggerations by the NFL and owners.

    You’d be better off just handing everyone in Minneapolis $1000 (or whatever the cut works out to) than spending that money on a stadium. The *only* ones who have made out on these deals recently are the owners and the NFL.

  190. thankheavenfornumberseven says: Apr 19, 2012 5:53 PM

    dragonfly99 says:Apr 19, 2012 3:35 PM

    Extortion of an elected official should trigger serious conseqences. I wish our elected officials in Washington DC would look into these type of threats. Lord Goodell has way too much power and maybe our national leaders (if we have any left) should knock this arrogant ass down a few pegs.
    __________

    So if Goodell makes the true statement that the Vikings will leave if they don’t get a stadium, he should be investigated by Congress? I have news for you: Our “national leaders” that you seem to respect so much have way more power than Goodell will ever have, and they’re ruining this country.

  191. thankheavenfornumberseven says: Apr 19, 2012 5:56 PM

    granadafan says:Apr 19, 2012 3:40 PM

    Instead of threatening the governor of a state in financial trouble in the middle of a big Bush-era recession, how about Goodell, the leader of a corporation worth hundreds of billions of dollars, tell his multibillionaire owners to build and fund their own stadiums?
    ________

    “Bush-era recession”? Gosh, I thought the Bush era ended over three years ago. At what point does the “Obama era” begin? I can tell you when it’s going to end — about nine months from now.

  192. ilovefoolsball says: Apr 19, 2012 6:14 PM

    Hey ManBearPig you know how you get so warm and fuzzy hearing about Sean Payton’s demise?

    I get that same lovely feeling hearing about your beloved Vikings leaving your cesspool of a town.

    2009 Superbowl Champion New Orleans Saints :)*

  193. thepvyharvin says: Apr 19, 2012 6:31 PM

    We will have our stadium.Mark my word,,,, And oh how I will laugh at you cheap MN residents who didn’t want it!

  194. danoj14 says: Apr 19, 2012 6:35 PM

    @ ilovefoolsball

    You call Minneapolis a cesspool of a town? Yeah, that whole flood thing really cleaned up New Orleans….

    Maybe think before posting, you inbred hillbilly

  195. sackbombs says: Apr 19, 2012 6:37 PM

    As one if the 98.5% of minnesotans who will never see a viking game at the dome…. Cya. I’d rather they spent the money on the worlds largest statue of a horse. Think of the revenue it would bring!

  196. driverjim says: Apr 19, 2012 6:38 PM

    :|

    Wow, there are a lot of people around here that have no apparent idea as to what’s going on. Granted, not getting the memo adds to plausible deniablity but . . .

    Right, here we are.

    For those of you harping on a broke state to build a stadium: If they do so, they get a share of the pie from revenues. They can also dictate leases and special events in a place that otherwise would see use eight weeks a year. That’s a large chunk of change, especially as a city/state owned entity they wouldn’t have to cough up property tax.

    There’s the counter-argument for the Zygi Must Build people: if he spends two billion on a stadium, he pays the appropriate percentage property tax on top of his other expenses. At a measely ten percent that’s still twenty million a year.

    I think either Zygi or Roger read these comments of ours. I find it funny that after the story about the stadium bill being fed to a paper-shredder appeared here and I started listing places the Vikings could go all of a sudden people sat up and took notice.

    Renovate the Astrodome as a temporary home; Houston, TX.

    Move to Milwaukee, WI or even Madison but stay away from the north end of I-43 (you Wisconsin folks know what’s up there!).

    Move to Los Angeles, CA and enter a fight with the Davis family. Before he died Al said he still owned that market (this is hearsay, dunno if it’s true or not). Besides, California already has three NFL teams. Give somebody else a chance!

    Move to Honolulu, HI. Get a vacation for every home game.

    Albuquerque, NM would probably take the Vikings too.

    Tokyo, Japan. Learn from sumo-wrestlers on how to push around a four hundred pound guy.

    The folks in Alabama as football crazed as they are would sniff the team if they hinted they’d go there.

    Oklahoma City would love a team just to stick it to Dallas.

    Salt Lake City, UT and Las Vegas, NV would pay out the nose to get in on the NFL buffet. The folks in Vegas moreso since they could cross the street and visit their bookies.

    Colorado is always open to hoarding the good stuff.

    See, there’s plenty of places to go if Wilf and the Vikings choose to. Either that, or continue tiptoeing through the tulips in Minneapolis and get nothing done.
    :D

  197. jrbdmb says: Apr 19, 2012 7:20 PM

    “For those of you harping on a broke state to build a stadium: If they do so, they get a share of the pie from revenues. They can also dictate leases and special events in a place that otherwise would see use eight weeks a year. That’s a large chunk of change, especially as a city/state owned entity they wouldn’t have to cough up property tax.”

    Unless the state gets an unusually good deal, the above is not true. In most case the team keeps all revenues, including concessions and parking. Lease / rent payments tend to be nothing or next to nothing. Perhaps the state gets $$ from the few times a year the stadium get used for something other than the Vikings – but that doesn’t begin to cover the money the city / state kick in. And the low-wage temporary jobs a stadium brings in aren’t worth much.

    If you want to pony up the dough for a new Vikings stadium so they don’t leave town, fine. Just don’t sell it as an investment.

  198. ilovefoolsball says: Apr 19, 2012 7:29 PM

    danoj14 says:
    Apr 19, 2012 6:35 PM
    @ ilovefoolsball

    You call Minneapolis a cesspool of a town? Yeah, that whole flood thing really cleaned up New Orleans….

    Maybe think before posting, you inbred hillbilly
    ______________
    Actually the flood actually DID clean up New Orleans quite a bit. Kind of ironic but if it wasn’t for Katrina many improvements wouldn’t have been made, God works in mysterious ways.

    Oh and wrong about the inbred hillbilly thing, I actually live in the city of New Orleans and my father is from Italy and my mother is from France.

    Nice try though, you could not have been more predictable and unoriginal.
    All that lack of culture up there leads to a lack of creativity in the populace I guess.

  199. eeeeeeetme says: Apr 19, 2012 9:15 PM

    This is great!! I despise the ViQueefs and their panty waste loser fans. I would be more than willing to help load the moving vans.

  200. danoj14 says: Apr 19, 2012 9:51 PM

    @ ilovefoolsball

    I’ve been to New Orleans…if that is the result of Katrina “cleaning” I hate to imagine how God-awful the place was before…

    Predictable and unoriginal perhaps because the truth isn’t always flashy.

    Now get off your sister and get to work

  201. leevsvawa says: Apr 19, 2012 11:37 PM

    “They’d move with them. The people who run the concessions, etc? Guess what? At the dome, they’re all volunteers. Look it up. Stadium construction jobs are a band-aid. They might take someone off the unemployment line for a couple years, then the job disappears again. Local entertainment and hospitality? The area around the dome is almost a wasteland as it is.”

    1. I’m actually an employee for the concessions company who works for all 4 sports teams in the area. The Dome has a few volunteers, but most employees are employed by the Delaware North Corporation (Which I personally have to thank for giving me this job)

    2. Band aid jobs also lead to people investing in their own personal infrastructure, where they could generate wealth other ways. I’m personally using the money from my own band aid job with the local teams to invest in buying myself a new motorcycle so I can actually afford to go to school without putting all of my money in my tank. I’m also buying a new e-book reader and some new school related e-books. If I didn’t have that band aid job, I would just be another sucker who sucked off money from the state with no hope of personal improvement. Everybody who works at the ‘dome has a story similar to mine.

    3. That’s because there’s a hospital, a light rail station and other civic services around the ‘dome.

  202. dickpoundsit says: Apr 21, 2012 2:41 AM

    Should the Vikings leave Minnesota, the state will save on the initial cost of building the stadium. However, it should be noted that they will also lose on the annual revenues of everything that the Vikings bring to the table, which would include increased business for the local economy on game weekends, hotel taxes and the state income taxes on all employees of the Viking franchise, including their “millionaire” players.

    The sad part is how many people dead-set against state funding for the new stadium fail to realize this. Whether you think it fair or not, if Minnesota fails to help fund the new stadium, the Vikings will leave. Take a look at what happens when automakers ask local government for assistance to pay for retooling for new assembly lines and they refuse. Why do you think the Ford F150 is no longer manufactured in Oakville, Ontario anymore? It sure as hell wasn’t because Indiana produces better quality vehicles!

  203. kmiller9959 says: Apr 21, 2012 4:54 PM

    pistolsmoke says:Apr 19, 2012 9:51 AM
    It takes money to make money. Liberals think things should just magically appear out of thin air. Maybe a stadium will just pop up with magical chocolate river running through it.
    —————————————————-

    There already is money. It’s in the ownership’s pockets and they’re unwilling to dish it out to get what they want. They want the taxpaying working class to just hand it over to them. Typical conservative nonsense – tell half-truths to protect some greedy billionaire and then toss ad hominems at the other side of the debate.

  204. ilovefoolsball says: Apr 24, 2012 4:26 PM

    I don’t have a sister, and I doubt you’ve really been to New Orleans, but it’s easy to say you have, so say it why don’t you. Nobody is listening.

  205. daknight93 says: Apr 26, 2012 1:26 AM

    Dictator Ginger and his threats…at it again, who does this guy think he is “a god” just sad.

  206. judsonjr says: Apr 26, 2012 2:07 PM

    I am a Packer fan, but really want the Vikes to stay in Minnesota.

    What will happen if the Vikes leave:

    – They will move to some mediocre sports town (like LA) and won’t draw 5 years down the road unless they are a top-tier team

    – The Rams will move to the NFC North. Nothing against the Rams, but no one in the division really has any history with them (other than the really early days of the NFL)

    – Several years down the road Minnesota will have a team move there, as the Twin Cities are still a better NFL city than some current locations

    So you might as well just skip to getting a stadium built rather go through all this other garbage.

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