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Unnamed scouts offer belated criticism of RG3

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Last year, a scathing assessment of quarterback Cam Newton from Nolan Nawrocki of Pro Football Weekly stirred up a storm of criticism and debate in the weeks preceding the draft.

In the end, the critique didn’t keep Newton from being the first overall pick in the draft.  Or from having the best rookie season of any quarterback in NFL history.

This year, with the Redskins in the process of converting their penciled-in selection of Griffin to tattoo ink, Bob McGinn of the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel shares some negative views on Griffin, from multiple unnamed scouts.

“‘Everybody is just assuming because of the Heisman and the socks and all that bs. . . . they are ignoring a lot of bad tape that he’s had,’” one scout told McGinn.  “‘I don’t think he has vision or pocket feel, which to me are the two most important components of quarterbacking.  He’s just running around winging it.  He’s [Michael] Vick, but not as good a thrower.’

“He has better arm action and is more accurate with his deep ball, but he’s not as good as Cam Newton,” another scout said.  “As much as is written about his athleticism, his athleticism under duress in the pocket isn’t even close to Cam Newton’s.  This guy, the only way he gets big plays with his feet is if he’s got a wide-open field and the sea opens for him.  He’s got a little bit of a selfish streak, too.  Everybody was laying on Cam, but for some reason this guy has become gloves off.  He doesn’t treat anybody good.”

Another scout “questioned the way Griffin deals with people.”

In our assessment, Griffin has been treated well by the media because there has been no evidence of anything to suggest that there may be a problem with his interpersonal skills.  Newton had off-field issues, along with a certain sense of entitlement/grandiosity that bled through from time to time in the things he said.  Griffin has performed well whenever in the media spotlight, coming off as down to earth and well-adjusted, even as the trophies and attention and hype have piled up at his doorstep.  If there are scouts who view Griffin as selfish and as someone who “doesn’t treat anybody good” (how can we expect kids to use proper English when the adults routinely talk like cavemen?), they haven’t previously said so.

And now that the Redskins have long since locked on to Griffin, how can anyone regard any anonymous criticism of Griffin as inherently credible?

McGinn also reports on the Wonderlic scores of multiple quarterback prospects.  None are dramatically high or low, which means that no one will be saying much of anything about them.

Meanwhile, Nawrocki’s assessment of Griffin’s negatives focus only on on-field issues like height, experience in the one-look shotgun spread offense, his sidearm/three-quarters delivery, a tendency to vacate the pocket prematurely, and a delay in seeing and sensing pressure.  There’s nothing about any failure to “treat anybody good” or selfishness.

If there were real concerns about Griffin’s treatment of others and/or selfishness, the information surely would have come out a long time ago, not long after Griffin’s spot at the top of the draft board was secured.

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  1. youhavenoclue says: Apr 19, 2012 3:37 PM

    Robert Griffin the TURD

    OVER RATED

  2. jckappler says: Apr 19, 2012 3:37 PM

    Everyone is a critic, we get it

  3. djbleedthestar says: Apr 19, 2012 3:38 PM

    Stupid. Let the kid soak up the moment.

  4. babyhorsemorgan says: Apr 19, 2012 3:38 PM

    Those “unnamed scouts” must have read the unerring assessment of Baby Horse Morgan on these very pages.

    Even with those “look how smart I am” owl rimmed glasses on, Gruesome had the worst Wonderlic score of any of the top QBs at the Combine.

  5. spearsnva says: Apr 19, 2012 3:40 PM

    McGinn you are who..? Yea nobody knows! A clown trying to get 15 seconds. Your clueless!

  6. phillybirds says: Apr 19, 2012 3:40 PM

    why do people only compare RGIII to African American QB’s??? color is irrelevant

  7. dryzzt23 says: Apr 19, 2012 3:41 PM

    Lay off RG3!

    1. He’s black
    2. He’s a Republican

  8. kingbeason52 says: Apr 19, 2012 3:42 PM

    As a panthers fan this all sounds very familiar..and it made me not want the organization to draft Newton..Even though im not very high on Griffin because he is a bit small to take as much contact as a mobile quaterback will take..the Redskins have to draft him..and when they do Griffin can send Newton a muffin basket for paving the way for him being a lock at number two. I guarentee you if Newton would have been a bust last year, we would not be having this conversation.

  9. geniusesq says: Apr 19, 2012 3:42 PM

    Hate all you want. He’s still going #2.

    HTTR

  10. unitedstateoftexas says: Apr 19, 2012 3:42 PM

    Unnamed and a week before the draft? Haters, and nothing more.

  11. geniusesq says: Apr 19, 2012 3:42 PM

    Ask his teammates and coaches if he “treats them good.”

  12. biggerballz says: Apr 19, 2012 3:42 PM

    either way he won’t go past #3 so some scouts want to look good in case he fails in DC.

  13. Lev says: Apr 19, 2012 3:42 PM

    Cam took the negativity and used it as fuel, all the way to the best rookie season ever AND ROY accolades in fact.

    RG3 will as well.

  14. wetpaperbag3 says: Apr 19, 2012 3:43 PM

    An “unnamed scout” is nothing but a COWARD for not putting his so-call expertise behind his criticism. I’d rather have Skip Bayliss dump on RGIII. At least HE would own up to his criticism unlike this coward.

  15. babyhorsemorgan says: Apr 19, 2012 3:43 PM

    PFT dodges the Wonderlic scores in the interests of political correctness. Maybe next year there will be an alternative version available (called the Wunna’lick) to smooth out those uncomfortable bumps on the playing field.

  16. musicman495 says: Apr 19, 2012 3:44 PM

    Who cares, if someone will not even put their names to it. Go Skins.

  17. sportsmeccabi says: Apr 19, 2012 3:45 PM

    The scout remained unnamed because he sucks at evaluating talent obviously. RG3 has no problem seeing the field and moving around in the pocket.
    The only thing that makes luck better is that he has done it for a longer period of time. That’s it.

  18. loyalpanthersfan says: Apr 19, 2012 3:45 PM

    “He has better arm action and is more accurate with his deep ball, but he’s not as good as Cam Newton,” another scout said.

    Funny how they give Cam Newton any kind of positive credit now as opposed to last year when almost EVERYONE doubted him n now couple weeks before the draft Griffin is getting negative reviews n somehow Tannehill is getting all these positive reviews. N I hate unnamed sources just come out n say you said it.

  19. djstat says: Apr 19, 2012 3:45 PM

    Hope he flops and the Redskins suck for 20 more years

  20. gweez76 says: Apr 19, 2012 3:45 PM

    I agree I watched his games. He never let the other team win and only gave the ball to them 6 times. Selfish indeed.

  21. jacobslatter says: Apr 19, 2012 3:46 PM

    It looks like it’s Kalil for DC. HTTR.

  22. djstat says: Apr 19, 2012 3:46 PM

    (To the tune of Hail to the redskins)

    I hate the Redskins

    There Not my Team

    Losers near the beltway

    They Don’t play in ole DC

  23. clw1906 says: Apr 19, 2012 3:46 PM

    A clear and blatant attempt to devalue him. Interesting this comes on the heels of Luck being informed he’s there guy. Pure BS

  24. xviixxiixxvi says: Apr 19, 2012 3:47 PM

    Haha, where have these guys been? Is this professional trolling?

  25. hashsview says: Apr 19, 2012 3:49 PM

    Also some scouts knocked on RGIII for the unorthodox style he uses when making peanut buterr & jelly.

  26. nflofficeadmin says: Apr 19, 2012 3:50 PM

    Only time will tell – maybe they are just trying to sell newspapers.

  27. mackie66 says: Apr 19, 2012 3:51 PM

    Mike, “How can anyone regard any anonymous criticism as inherently credible? What? PFT lives on anonymous information along with unnamed sources, and Im sure with all the bru ha ha surrounding RG3, no one and I mean no one wants to be the first known person to criticize the great RG3. “Hes a racist”, is usually the first comment about anyone speaking negative about a black player no matter the situation. So, yes, I can see why theres been no negatives about RG3. I would have loved to see him drafted by the Dolphins,,

  28. butternutzz says: Apr 19, 2012 3:51 PM

    Que the haters. Key thing is unnamed. If you wont put your name behind in….your not relavent.

  29. TeamBalco says: Apr 19, 2012 3:52 PM

    Unnamed scouts duck sick, and so does the reporter who thought this was news worthy! With that said, the best part about the NFL is that old and new players get to settle all speculation on the field. Non of these posts nor our comments count for diddly until RG3 gets out on the field and wins some ball games.

  30. indywilson40 says: Apr 19, 2012 3:56 PM

    RGLeaf.

  31. fvckyourmother says: Apr 19, 2012 3:57 PM

    The biggest bust of this draft will be Tannehill if any team takes him before 25

  32. whynotusecommonsense says: Apr 19, 2012 3:58 PM

    RGIII attended the women’s final four in Denver. When they showed him on the big screen he was in the process of turning away kids for autographs.

    I chalked it up to not wanting to open the flood gates so to speak but perhaps there’s something more?

    Either way, it’s what he does on the field that matters, not off the field.

  33. phreakin says: Apr 19, 2012 3:58 PM

    spearsnva says: “McGinn you are who..? Yea nobody knows! A clown trying to get 15 seconds. Your clueless!”

    spearsnva, you might wanna follow football a little more. McGinn is a class writer and has been for quite some time. Also, i’m pretty sure YOU’RE the clueless one.

  34. pdillon1 says: Apr 19, 2012 3:59 PM

    Yet another top rated black QB in the draft being critiqued for not only not being smart on the field but being arrogant off it by courageous unnamed sources..Color me shocked!

  35. stavreafavre says: Apr 19, 2012 3:59 PM

    Spearsnva, McGinn has been writing news columns and books about pro football and the draft for many years. I don’t think he’s looking for “15 minutes” at this stage. And contrary to what the PFT story implies, some of these comments were in a piece McGinn did about the draft more than a month ago.
    Just in case the truth matters – which it rarely does these days…

  36. nzyme says: Apr 19, 2012 3:59 PM

    Agree with clw1906. Kid has all the tools and I can see him being successful if the Redskins put the pieces in place to support him. Takes a lot for me to admit that since I’m a Giants fan :P

  37. vikingsnorth says: Apr 19, 2012 4:00 PM

    Unnamed Scouts = Cowards

    Put your name to your stupid comments!

  38. jacksaysfu says: Apr 19, 2012 4:00 PM

    As a Eagles fan I hope these guys are right , but I watched a fair amount of tape on him and Im just not seeing it . This guy looks real good but the Redskins will still suck & that always helps me sleep well @ night .

  39. hallcyon says: Apr 19, 2012 4:01 PM

    I can only mark this as attention seeking, it would be the same as if someone said Peyton Manning did not have a high football IQ. Griffin is one the best precision passers in the game, and unlike Vick, he actually has vision all over the field.

  40. redskinfansince82 says: Apr 19, 2012 4:01 PM

    I wonder if this scout has ever played QB or is he just a desk guy? I love HTTRS. If Pierre Garcon left Indy to play with this RG3 I have to side with him. All the pro’s would love to play with him from what I’m hearing. Never heard anybody wanting to play with Luck!

  41. rickastleydancemoves says: Apr 19, 2012 4:03 PM

    @dryzzt23

    I’m sure if Luck were a Democrat, you wouldn’t have a problem as long as he was white.

  42. fijabbersman345 says: Apr 19, 2012 4:03 PM

    “How can we expect kids to learn proper english when the adults are speaking like cavemen?”

    Funny thats being mentioned, actually….

  43. httr73 says: Apr 19, 2012 4:05 PM

    Does this unnamed scout’s name rhyme with Ike Trollgrem?

  44. propertyofthebroncos says: Apr 19, 2012 4:05 PM

    Djstat, I hate the Redskins as much as anyone else but please learn how to use the correct spelling when making your point. When trying to say they are not my team its “they’re” not “there”. There indicates a place. Some people are just sad…I’m tired of people who can’t get a handle on the English language.

  45. EJ says: Apr 19, 2012 4:05 PM

    Comment without hiding behind the unnamed scouts profile….. Thought not.

  46. babyhorsemorgan says: Apr 19, 2012 4:06 PM

    Well, he got 3 more Wonderlic points than Newton. Maybe when he gives his Heisman statue “poem of acceptance”, he won’t have to use the same word at the end of each line to make sure it rhymes.

    “Roses are red,
    Violets are not red,
    Dalton’s hair is red,
    That what I read.”.

    - C. Nootn.

  47. reprob8 says: Apr 19, 2012 4:07 PM

    “Unnamed scouts”? Might as well have walked into any barbershop or corner sports bar for anonymous comments about RGIII legal advice for Ryan Leaf!

    A total waste of cyberspace and the time that I spent to read this tripe!

  48. andyreidisfat says: Apr 19, 2012 4:07 PM

    Cam Newton is/was a much better prospect than RG3. Their is no comparison.

    Newton is 6’6 250lbs and able to break tackles, RG3 is more like Vick in that he needs open space.

    That doesn’t make RG3 not a good QB though. It just makes him different than Newton.

    Personally if i was building a team i wouldn’t want either. Heck I would have Vick as my QB either. Thats not saying any of the three can’t win, because they can. Its just imo a pocket type qb has won almost every superbowl. So i would stick with that.

    Of course if i did have one of these guys i would switch to the spread offense 100%. Oh and before people say that doesn’t work in the nfl, go back and watch the Eagles the last two seasons. Not only did it work in the passing game , but it also produced a top 3 running team last year as well.

  49. someidiotfromouthereintheprojects says: Apr 19, 2012 4:08 PM

    i don’t know how rg3 will turn out as a pro but unnamed sources that patch together a pretty shady and shoddy story about the guy coming out now speak more about the unnamed than they do about rg3.

    this reminds me of the ugly, scathing, over-the-top criticism of cam last year. it’s pretty classless and it’s fodder for jerks.

  50. duncanthecat says: Apr 19, 2012 4:09 PM

    The kid’s tape is incredible and so are his measurables. For a team that has not had a QB in twenty years, the risk is well worth the reward.

    Nitpicking from unnamed sources smells ratty to me. Where’s Milwaukee anyway?

  51. goredskins11 says: Apr 19, 2012 4:09 PM

    This guy graduated from high school one year early and, even though he is entering the draft one year early, has already graduated with a Bachelors of Arts degree in Political Science with a GPA of 3.67. He is currently working on his Masters degree in communications. Anyone that has heard him talk knows he has a good head on his shoulders. Both of his parents were Army sergeants and he grew up with in a disciplined household. I also don’t see where anyone can think of him as a “run first” QB. If you have seen him play, you know that he is a pocket passer first and moves around in the pocket well. I have been a Redskins fan since 1982 and have never felt so good about a QB prospect. It’s an exciting time to be a Redskins fan.

  52. wicky888 says: Apr 19, 2012 4:10 PM

    Reminds me of Cam last year, boy did he make those eat their words. Do the same RGIII, dont let them hate on you

  53. thatstinks says: Apr 19, 2012 4:10 PM

    Why even look at tape on him unless you know you are facing him ? Everyone has known since February were RGIII & Luck would be drafted . Look RGIII has mad skills & seems to be very coachable . The onus falls on Shanny to get him ready . The bigger question to me is can Shanny get the most out of him. His track record with qb’s is shaky .

  54. raidersfolife says: Apr 19, 2012 4:12 PM

    Click on the link in the article “scathing assessment”. It’s funny how SO many peole thought that Cam Newton would be a bust because of character issues. Look at the number of thumbs down. It just goes to show that opinions are just like a$$holes, everyone has one and they all stink!!!!!

  55. rabidbillsfan says: Apr 19, 2012 4:14 PM

    I love how scouts make it sound like there is some “Science” to scouting. There isn’t. It’s pretty balck and white when you get right down too it. The hardest thing I think scouts have problems with is guaging whether a guy is good becasue he’s good, or because he plays inferior competition. There is an easy way around that, are his measurable consistent with what he has on tape. If you think a guy is good because he plays a lower level of ball, then test his measurables. You can’t coach height weight or strength or speed, so if he has all that then I’d deem him a safe pick. On the flip side, look at Larry English, English played in the MAC, and blew it up, same type of Player that Melvin Ingram is. But, his combine numbers were low, real low. I would have red-flagged that right away. Now look at a guy like Brandon Spikes. Spikes bombed the combine, yet he had tape to back him up, against legitamate competiton. Players play, simple as that. Some athletes have that “Gamer” mentality programmed into them, others don’t and need the gym and training to be succesful. Griffen has both, he has the speed and athleticism along with that “Gamer” mentality which makes up for small stature and awkward throwing motion. Congrats D.C, you have your franchise QB.

  56. sasattack says: Apr 19, 2012 4:17 PM

    Best rookie season in NFL history? How bout Big Ben going 14-0, averaging nearly 9 yds per attempt with QB rating a shade under 100? Florio should be held in contempt for that statement.

  57. pushingiron says: Apr 19, 2012 4:19 PM

    I think the kid is going to be a pretty good QB in the league, the only things about him I have seen that I see as negatives are he didn’t seem to move in the pocket as well as I would expect from someone that athletic, I saw him take a few sacks that I think he shouldn’t have whenhe couldn’t get away from the pressure and while he is not a smallish Colt McCoy size QB, he looks frail and I hope he can take the punishment he will face.
    Although I hate the foreskins, I wish the kid luck, he seems like a really good guy.

  58. jameslongstaffe says: Apr 19, 2012 4:20 PM

    I don’t place much on some anonymous scout, mostly because there is no accountability if they are wrong. I place more stock in people I trust like Mayock.

  59. peytonsneck18 says: Apr 19, 2012 4:23 PM

    Don’t worry redskins fans, RG3 will do good, and LUCK for my COLTS

  60. skinsfaninnebraska says: Apr 19, 2012 4:27 PM

    The “RGLeaf” joke had run its course long ago, and it wasn’t funny to begin with. There is nothing I’ve seen in Griffin’s background to indicate he has anything like the issues that Ryan Leaf has.

    There were red flags flying when Leaf was drafted so high, but they were mostly ignored. Even if Griffin doesn’t succeed in the NFL, I don’t see him winding up where Leaf is now in life.

  61. zack2482 says: Apr 19, 2012 4:29 PM

    Hail! Hail to the losers!

  62. oldbyrd says: Apr 19, 2012 4:32 PM

    Yep I hope everybody believes this and he drops to 15

  63. rpiotr01 says: Apr 19, 2012 4:33 PM

    “McGinn you are who..? Yea nobody knows! A clown trying to get 15 seconds. Your clueless!”

    Bob McGinn is one of the most respected NFL beat writers in the country. He recently (2010, I think) won the McCann award for “long and distinguished reporting on professional football.” He’s the kind of writer every football city should be so lucky to have.

    Every year he does draft reports based on conversations with various scouts. He doesn’t name them, but I do believe he’s close with Bill Polian, as Polian will often allow McGinn to name his comments in articles. Take that for whatever it’s worth. No decent reporter is going to name names, whether it’s about potential draft picks or current NFL players, as he does in his weekly preview articles during the season.

    You can disagree with the scouts’ take on Griffin here, but to impugn Bob McGinn is embarrassing for you.

  64. southcakpanther says: Apr 19, 2012 5:04 PM

    QBWB

    I’m just glad Hurney ignored the haters and drafted Cam. I’m sure Skins fans will be happy as well. Trust me, nothing better than seeing these tools have to eat their words.

  65. rangenius says: Apr 19, 2012 5:10 PM

    Florio, you should treat Tebow so kindly, a proven NFL winner.

  66. rajbais says: Apr 19, 2012 5:10 PM

    Isn’t this criticism two months too late???

    He’s already the 1st or 2nd pick!!!

  67. steelers4385 says: Apr 19, 2012 5:11 PM

    Why do people stick up for rg3? Let me ask this question…whens the last time a black scrambling qb won a superbowl? And he is compared to Vick because he has a big arm and runs fast. Im no racist at all. But facts are facts. Unfortunatley ther are no good black qbs in the nfl. But they own everyother position in the league. Actually i take that back i like cam. I like him because he passes and does it well. He doesnt look to run every single play. Rg3 is the next Vick. My own opinion. And im entitled to that. I think its more about selling seats in washington than actually getting a qb who is gauranteed to play well

  68. edavidberg says: Apr 19, 2012 5:13 PM

    Nolan Nawrocki looks like a total clown. How can anybody take him seriously after that is beyond me.

  69. raideralex99 says: Apr 19, 2012 5:27 PM

    If you can show me a scout who is 100% right all the time … then I will listen to him.

  70. CKL says: Apr 19, 2012 5:28 PM

    hallcyon says:
    Apr 19, 2012 4:01 PM
    I can only mark this as attention seeking, it would be the same as if someone said Peyton Manning did not have a high football IQ. Griffin is one the best precision passers in the game, and unlike Vick, he actually has vision all over the field.
    ———————————————————-
    Peyton Manning’s Wonderlic was nothing to write home about. It was just a few points better than Roethlisberger’s, and in the 20s also. Favre’s was nothing to get excited about either IIRC. But I bet RGIII’s grades were better than Manning’s and the subjects he studied were harder. If he works hard he’ll be just fine, and you don’t get grades like RGIII did while playing football without working hard. If RGIII struggled with school, I might worry.

  71. hrmlss says: Apr 19, 2012 5:28 PM

    I also hear he needs a breath mint….. this pre-draft “leak” info is the worst. Can’t wait till it is here finally.

  72. deathtoromo says: Apr 19, 2012 5:30 PM

    So why doesn’t McGinn worry about covering his own team… Oh that stink-hole Milwaukee doesn’t have one. Maybe he should do a story on one of the biggest fables in sports, the Packers ” great fans and support “. I actually went to a game in 1989 in County Stadium in Milwaukee ( Falcons vs Packers ) , not Lambeau , because they couldn’t sell tickets in Green Bay. Richard head.

  73. freebird2011 says: Apr 19, 2012 5:31 PM

    I watched several Baylor games just because of RG III. My impression was that (1) he was just as accurate, if not more so, than Sam Bradford; and (2) he had a mobility or escapability similar to that of Randall Cunningham.

  74. shlort says: Apr 19, 2012 5:32 PM

    To be realistic, we would have to be skeptical of any top college prospect entering the pros. Position doesnt matter.How many 1st round picks actually turn into impact players? I havent looked into it, but my guess would be less than 1 in 5.

    Very rarely have top rated QBs coming out of college, managed to translate that college success into something big in the pros.

    I’d say either Griffen or Luck might be good. One might be good and one might not or they both might end up on the “Biggest Busts” list in a few years. Too early to tell.

  75. skinfangray says: Apr 19, 2012 5:32 PM

    McGinn should come on out and say that Mike Holmgren and his scouts think that RGIII will not succeed. Everyone in the world knows that anything negative coming out at this point is from the Browns, hoping that everyone else in the league are as dumb as they are.

    And for everyone running to the aid of Bob McGinn, save your breath. I consider anyone who uses “anonymous” sources as the concrete for their story as weak. And, don’t hint that it may have been Bill Polian. He was the one guy who said from the beginning that RGIII may be better than Luck. So, let’s just chalk this one up to a reporter from Milwaukee giving a former Packers coach some love.

  76. astrosfan75956 says: Apr 19, 2012 5:34 PM

    Never a fan of unnamed sources.

  77. lightninglucci says: Apr 19, 2012 5:48 PM

    Tomorrow, we will hear from Warren Moon.

  78. seanmmartin says: Apr 19, 2012 5:59 PM

    He completed 70+% of his passes. Guess he was lucky.

  79. bucks12965 says: Apr 19, 2012 6:00 PM

    This McGinn is like the one jackass on Rotten Tomatoes that gave Toy Story 3 a bad review. He accomplished his goal….we’ve now heard of him.

  80. truthassassin says: Apr 19, 2012 6:07 PM

    “This is only one scout’s opinion from the 19 polled in McGinn’s annual must-read, although another scout questions how the Heisman Trophy-winning quarterback deals with people.

    Frankly, this smacks of a scout looking for something negative to see. Draft season usually gets ugly at some point, with everyone looking for flaws. Almost everyone who has met or dealt with Griffin universally praises his character and people skills. He seems as comfortable in his own skin and disciplined as any prospect we can remember.

    Before we take any one scout’s opinion too seriously, keep in mind that 16 of 24 scouts that McGinn polled last year preferred Blaine Gabbert to Cam Newton. Translation: No one knows anything.”

  81. billhicks666 says: Apr 19, 2012 6:07 PM

    steelers4385 says:

    “Why do people stick up for rg3? Let me ask this question…whens the last time a black scrambling qb won a superbowl?….”

    Wow, your ignorance knows no bounds. FYI, RGIII is NOT a scrambling QB. He hangs in the pocket for as long as he can to wait for an open receiver and takes off only as a last resort. He is very much like a classic pocket QB, much moreso than a “black scrambling qb”, as you call him. And for the record, I do think you’re a racist. No doubt about it.

    Go back to listening to Sean Hannity and Rush Limbaugh and leave the fooball analysis to those who actually know what they’re looking at.

  82. briang123 says: Apr 19, 2012 6:09 PM

    RGIII is a closest head case like Ryan Leaf, the talent of Akilli Smith, and the intangibles of Jeff George. He will be a colossal BUST and I wouldn’t touch him in any of the top-50 picks. The Redskins would be complete morons for taking him!! Pass for your own good Mr. Snyder, or you will be a total laughingstock like your free agent signings.

    Signed,

    Cleveland Browns front office

  83. lolb23 says: Apr 19, 2012 6:26 PM

    Name 1 superstar NFL QB to ever come out of the Big 12.

    Chris Sims?

    Vince Young?

    Colt McCoy?

    Sam Bradford?

    I’ll wait.

  84. youhavenoclue says: Apr 19, 2012 6:41 PM

    somewhere Rush Limbaugh is smiling..

  85. beeronthefridge says: Apr 19, 2012 6:44 PM

    rg3 = kevin kolb

  86. realfootballfan says: Apr 19, 2012 6:59 PM

    I agree about him. He’s not going to be the underdog anymore at the small school. He’s walking into one of the bigger markets in the NFL and will be coached by a notoriously demanding coach who hasn’t ever properly developed a young QB to be elite.

    It’s going to be a tough fit in my opinion. And before anyone says that Mike Shanahan knows better than all of the rest of us, why so? The best QB he ever took in the draft was Jay Cutler, and he’s not all that himself. Certainly not elite, nor ever would have been even if he stayed with Shanahan.

    Imo, we’re going to see the Jason Smith/Aaron Curry thing play out again, this time at the QB position with Griffin. He’s not in the same league as Newton or Luck for that matter, not even close.

  87. phillyrick22 says: Apr 19, 2012 7:00 PM

    everyone has to have a critic at some point in their lives. I think this kid is the real deal, and he should provide the skins with a real QB for the first time since Doug Williams in the LATE 80s!!!! He will be one of the greats. this is brought to you by a birds fan…

  88. skins4seven says: Apr 19, 2012 7:32 PM

    Luck will be good, but I truly believe that RG3′s ceiling could be higher. Key word could, and every pick has the potential to be a bust. I truly believe this is because the colts are covering their tracks saying rg3 won’t work out for them. He didn’t work out for anyone. Now they are comforting their fans with these reports. How is it that everyone was saying he’s the nicest kid for so long now he treats people poorly. Nobody’s buying it

  89. ajpurp says: Apr 19, 2012 7:46 PM

    Yeah no good quarterbacks have come out of the big 12, BUT the PAC 10/12 has produced the biggest busts in history. So it evens out, josh freeman still has promise also. And the criticism of McGinn for unnamed sources is unfair, they all use them. However, I think the bigger point which deserves criticism is how he only used a few unnamed sources to bash RGIII and did not mention any of the hundreds praising him or what they had to say. While the rest of the QBs all have decent to good reviews, no character attacking, simply saying I doubt he makes it. Yet the 2nd pick gets his character attacked? It’s flat wrong and that’s what deserves the criricism

  90. mempusa says: Apr 19, 2012 7:49 PM

    RGIII does have some questionable tape. However, this guy is a total donkey. Griffin does everything well and has unlimited potential. He’s smart and seems like he’s driven to be the best. This idiot is just trying to go against the grain and gain some attention.

  91. fatsmcnadds says: Apr 19, 2012 7:49 PM

    It must be a Cleveland scout!ha ha suckers (HTTR )

  92. jameslongstaffe says: Apr 19, 2012 7:51 PM

    Have these scouts watched the tape? Or perhaps they are just ignorant or biased? Either way, I’d love to have a word with them. What a joke, & the worst part is that it keeps repeating.

  93. kingjoe1 says: Apr 19, 2012 8:18 PM

    You know darn well that this was Jets scout. Darn unnamed sources….

  94. deathtoromo says: Apr 19, 2012 8:36 PM

    This has that fat clown Holmgrens fingerprints all over it. Enjoy Tannehill you fat, disgusting slob.

  95. n0hopeleft says: Apr 19, 2012 8:36 PM

    Let me get this straight Skins fans.

    RG3 is going to come into the NFC East, start games for the Redskins – facing the best collective pass rushing division in the league – and he’s going to dominate?

    HAHAHAHAHAAHAHAAAAAAA

  96. commonsensedude says: Apr 19, 2012 8:48 PM

    The unnamed scout has neither courage nor a high football IQ. But he did stay at a Holiday Inn last night.

  97. mjkelly77 says: Apr 19, 2012 9:08 PM

    The kid is a coward. He’s overrated and hiding something. That’s why he didn’t want to throw for anyone.

    Caveat Emptor.

  98. jedward17 says: Apr 19, 2012 9:10 PM

    The sources have to remain anonymous otherwise drunks like Warren Moon will accuse them of racism, like he did last year with criticism of Newton.

  99. Panda Claus says: Apr 19, 2012 9:18 PM

    Here’s the deal: Robert Griffin III will either suck, or he won’t. Same can be said about all 250+ other guys getting drafted next week.

    Nobody really knows, they’re guessing with everyone else. It’s not worth getting worked up about, those anonymous guys are right sometimes.

  100. fcmlefty1 says: Apr 19, 2012 9:57 PM

    RG3 looks the part, but he does have a couple of things you can’t ignore – 1) he does not pass the 26-27-60 test, as he reportedly only got a 24 on his wonderlic. He’s also from the Big 12, a conference that has never produced a Qb who won a playoff game in the NFL in its almost 2 decade existance.

    When one can make a case for Sage Rosenfels being one of the top 3 NFL QB’s produced by the conference, its an issue that can’t just be simply written off.

  101. daddyfatsack says: Apr 19, 2012 10:00 PM

    RGIII: then he said i was ugly and couldn’t read good.

  102. jwreck says: Apr 19, 2012 10:04 PM

    n0hopeleft says: Apr 19, 2012 8:36 PM

    Let me get this straight Skins fans.

    RG3 is going to come into the NFC East, start games for the Redskins – facing the best collective pass rushing division in the league – and he’s going to dominate?

    HAHAHAHAHAAHAHAAAAAAA
    __________

    It would be stupid to deny the Redskins were a bad team last year. Records speak for themselves. However, just because a team is bad doesn’t mean it is bad at everything. Pass rushing is a prime misconception. For example: the supposedly godlike Giants defense sacked Rex “World’s greatest athlete” Grossman a total of eight times last year. The Redskins “god-awful” defense sacked Eli Manning ten times last year. Dallas, on the other hand, sacked Sexy Rexy six times, while Romo hit the turf only five times. Philly’s amazing pass rush brought The dynamic duo of Rex and Beck down only three times, while The Redskins sacked Vick four times.

    Keep in mind Washington’s starting right Tackle and left guard were lost to injury for most of the season, and left tackle Trent Williams was suspended for the final four games of 2011. Still, if you were keeping count, Washington registered 19 sacks against NFC East opponents while East rivals brought Rex F. Grossman down only 16 times. NFC East defenses are nothing to sneeze at, it’s just important to realize DC isn’t as much the butt of the joke as everyone thinks. This will be the most competitive division in the NFL for years to come.

  103. reach4succeed says: Apr 19, 2012 10:14 PM

    Many people compare RGIII to Vick. Yet the better comparsion is RGIII to Steve Young. The bottom line is that this QB from Baylor is a gigantic improvement over any QB the Washington team has had for three decades. The opinions of armchair quarterbacks is just alot of do-do.

  104. skin94249 says: Apr 19, 2012 10:14 PM

    Wait, hold up! It doesn’t even matter what any of you think. We have OUR Quarterback. Thank you Misters Irsay and Grigson for selecting Andrew Luck. This is a new day in the league where mobile QBs will start to turn the corner. This is a evolving and copycat league. Just as the fullback gave way to the H-back, the H-back gave way to the West-coast the stationary QB is giving way to the Mobile QB.

  105. thetooloftools says: Apr 19, 2012 10:42 PM

    RG III is $. Bang on him and bla bla bla. He a leader. Goes to Baylor to “turn the program round”. How did that work out. They are now on the NATIONAL map.
    This guy is is a great athlete, but he is even smarter then all get out. Head him on The Jim Rome Show and he blew me away. He is a guy I would go to war for. No kidding. Impressive. Born to lead.

  106. dancingwiththesnowman says: Apr 19, 2012 10:52 PM

    Everyone who wants Griffin to succeed believes the scout is a clown, but the truth is that many “can’t miss” picks miss. Despite the media falling in love with Griffin, the fact is he sort of a one year wonder that came out of nowhere. There are questions about the guy’s game. Until he suits up, no one knows how he’ll play. And I would venture to guess that the vast majority of people on this site don’t know him personally enough to know whether or not he’s a creep or a prince. With everyone fawning all over him, he hasn’t had reason to be anything other than the nicest guy you met all month. See how he acts when he faces criticism, that will answer a lot.

  107. baddegg says: Apr 19, 2012 11:00 PM

    Nice to hear what Cleveland scouts had to say!

  108. goodfieldnohit says: Apr 19, 2012 11:13 PM

    All you need to know is that Texas A&M’s 100+ ranked defense beat him up bad. Made him quit. Made him not shake hands after the game was over.

    Twice.

  109. peytonsneck18 says: Apr 19, 2012 11:44 PM

    skins4seven..Luck will be good, but I truly believe that RG3′s ceiling could be higher. Key word could, and every pick has the potential to be a bust. I truly believe this is because the colts are covering their tracks saying rg3 won’t work out for them. He didn’t work out for anyone. Now they are comforting their fans with these reports. How is it that everyone was saying he’s the nicest kid for so long now he treats people poorly. Nobody’s buying it

    you cant be serious thinking the colts were behind this!!!???

  110. hailvictory10 says: Apr 19, 2012 11:53 PM

    Cool story Hansel

  111. tatum064 says: Apr 19, 2012 11:57 PM

    babyhorsemorgan says:
    Apr 19, 2012 3:38 PM
    Those “unnamed scouts” must have read the unerring assessment of Baby Horse Morgan on these very pages.

    Even with those “look how smart I am” owl rimmed glasses on, Gruesome had the worst Wonderlic score of any of the top QBs at the Combine.
    ============================

    One name.

    Cam Newton

    4 words;

    How’d that crow taste?

    Lets see the draft plays out and how he actually plays….Jesus, did anyone ever think, if he is good its BETTER FOR THE LEAGUE?!

    “That’s why they play the game”
    -Chris Berman

  112. bigredscouting says: Apr 20, 2012 12:08 AM

    Yes, RG3 needs to improve the consistency of his accuracy. Yes ,he needs to gain a better pocket presence. Yes, he needs to learn a pro style offense, as many QBs do. No one has had one thing to say about RG3 the person until now? Draft day smoke screen. Some fool thinks some poor review is going to make the ‘Skins pick another player. Dummy. RG3 has things he needs to work on, but so does every prospect. With his work ethic and attitude he will do what it takes to improve. As for Cam Newton, his success in the NFL has nothing to do with RG3 and the comparisons need to stop. They never should have started. Cam Newton succeeded because he is the greatest athlete to ever play the game, and his off the field mistakes over shadowed his work ethic. RG3 is a different player, and won’t be the next Cam. He may beat the critics (the few that remain) like Cam, but his game shouldn’t resemble Cam’s all that much. That is, if he wants to stay healthy.

  113. bigredscouting says: Apr 20, 2012 12:12 AM

    @ lolb23

    Sam Bradford has played two seasons. You really think he’s already failed. You lose all credibility right there. Watch the Rams in 2011 and you’ll see Sam had an atrocious offensive line. Really? Are You kidding me? Two years and somehow we know the player he was, is, and will ever be? Pure foolishness.

  114. baddegg says: Apr 20, 2012 12:21 AM

    jwreck says:Apr 19, 2012 10:04 PM

    n0hopeleft says: Apr 19, 2012 8:36 PM

    Let me get this straight Skins fans.

    RG3 is going to come into the NFC East, start games for the Redskins – facing the best collective pass rushing division in the league – and he’s going to dominate?

    HAHAHAHAHAAHAHAAAAAAA
    __________

    It would be stupid to deny the Redskins were a bad team last year. Records speak for themselves. However, just because a team is bad doesn’t mean it is bad at everything. Pass rushing is a prime misconception. For example: the supposedly godlike Giants defense sacked Rex “World’s greatest athlete” Grossman a total of eight times last year. The Redskins “god-awful” defense sacked Eli Manning ten times last year. Dallas, on the other hand, sacked Sexy Rexy six times, while Romo hit the turf only five times. Philly’s amazing pass rush brought The dynamic duo of Rex and Beck down only three times, while The Redskins sacked Vick four times.

    Keep in mind Washington’s starting right Tackle and left guard were lost to injury for most of the season, and left tackle Trent Williams was suspended for the final four games of 2011. Still, if you were keeping count, Washington registered 19 sacks against NFC East opponents while East rivals brought Rex F. Grossman down only 16 times. NFC East defenses are nothing to sneeze at, it’s just important to realize DC isn’t as much the butt of the joke as everyone thinks. This will be the most competitive division in the NFL for years to come.

    ———————-

    Wow, jwreck typed that big HAHAHAAHAHA and then you just made him look foolish with facts. That was awesome.

  115. alpharedskins says: Apr 20, 2012 12:40 AM

    goodfieldnohit says:
    Apr 19, 2012 11:13 PM
    All you need to know is that Texas A&M’s 100+ ranked defense beat him up bad. Made him quit. Made him not shake hands after the game was over.

    Twice.

     Ok they beat him up to the tune of 415 yards and 3 touchdowns last year.

  116. rajbais says: Apr 20, 2012 12:51 AM

    I understand how someone can view him as a phony because he (to be fair) looks polished; disrespectful because he as a quarterback (Mr. Professional and blah blah blah) he mentioned the teams he visited with at the combine (thus possibly creating distractions for teams when they’re interviewed by the media), but “doesn’t treat anybody good”????

    Florio is right! We can’t trust guys when their grammar sucks!

    My moments of bad grammar come when I rush or my thumb hits the wrong key on my iPhone!!!!!

  117. rajbais says: Apr 20, 2012 12:53 AM

    Btw, it pissed me off that Cam Newton got crapped on the way he did!!!!

    He got NO credit for being someone that couldn’t throw to a superhuman player at the college level!!!!!

  118. urworstnitemare58 says: Apr 20, 2012 10:48 AM

    He was a great college QB and all we can do is see how he does in the pros in a few years. So until than the jury is still out.

  119. tednancy says: Apr 20, 2012 4:26 PM

    By the way, whatever his statistics might have been, it’s pretty foolish to say that Cam Newton had “the best rookie season in NFL history.”

    I think Dan Marino might have something to say about that.

    Newton is pretty amazing, but let’s not anoint him just yet. By the end of last season, he remained a very exciting player capable of great moments – but who also made way too many mental mistakes.

    Newton proved that he belongs as an NFL starter; at this point that is all the credit I’m willing to give him. Let’s see him develop into a consistent, mature field general before we start any “greatest” talk.

  120. jm8ch10 says: Apr 20, 2012 7:15 PM

    I read that he had the lowest wonderlic score of al top QB prospects. You can be trained to sound polished but that won’t help you when you have to read defenses and make more than one read before you think about running. RGIII = FAIL

  121. poopmcscoot says: Oct 23, 2012 11:08 PM

    Wow

    I love how wrong most of you were. Looking through the last 7 weeks of the season RG3 is everything he was billed as and then some. I’m not saying the Redskins are a good team however he adds such an explosiveness to the offense that its hard to defend him. He can run, he can pass, he can lead a 2 min drive, he can put you into a position to win. He is good, to be great he has to be good for a while. Only time will tell if he is great. However for the time being he is the QB that Washington has needed for years.

  122. Brad Smith says: Feb 24, 2013 2:04 PM

    I don’t care what anyone says… the biggest racket in the NFL is the quote “draft expert”.

  123. petehimself2112 says: Feb 24, 2013 3:20 PM

    Wow this article was spot on except for the attitude thing.

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