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NFL frustrated by NFLPA’s tactics in bounty investigation

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On Friday, NFL general counsel Jeff Pash tried to drive a wedge within the NFLPA rank-and-file, calling out the union for defending Saints players believed to have been involved in the bounty program at the expense of the players who were targeted by the bounties.

So why did Pash commit an arguable breach in etiquette by complaining publicly about the NFLPA, when it simply is exercising its duty to defend the players accused of participating in the bounty program?

As we understand it, the NFL has become frustrated with the union’s tactics.  In addition to the obvious argument that there’s no clear link between bounties and the intentional infliction of injuries (Brett Favre’s purple leg may suggest otherwise), the NFLPA is pushing the argument, we’re told, that the players were coerced by their coaches into funding the pay-for-performance/bounty pool — and into participating in the process of paying out the money.

Taking the element of coercion to the next level, the NFLPA also is arguing, we’re told, that the players were coerced into lying to investigators about the existence of a pay-for-performance/bounty pool.

True or not, the NFL doesn’t but it.  And the delayed imposition of discipline against the Saints players has resulted in part from the fact that these arguments have forced NFL Security to engage in additional interviews to explore and/or knock down the coercion defense.

It’s unclear when the process will end.  Eventually, if/when discipline is imposed, the players will have appeal rights.

As previously explained, the question eventually will become whether the penalties arise from on-field conduct or off-field behavior.  The former entails an independent review process; for the latter, the league once again will serve as judge, jury, executioner, and appeals court.

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61 Responses to “NFL frustrated by NFLPA’s tactics in bounty investigation”
  1. wetpaperbag3 says: Apr 21, 2012 2:53 PM

    I’M frustrated by the NFL’s tactics in the way they are watering down the game; this time by trying to eliminate kickoffs all together.

  2. mshinson says: Apr 21, 2012 2:55 PM

    Drew Brees is gonna need an explanation.

  3. cakemixa says: Apr 21, 2012 2:56 PM

    Clearly, the NFL has no real evidence other than some ridiculously overhyped rah rah speech by Williams. Otherwise, all they’d have to do was share it and shut them up. How many of the 50,000 pages of “evidence” have been released? Why does no one seem to care that no real evidence has come out?

  4. sonnyboychris says: Apr 21, 2012 2:57 PM

    The NFL has the audacity to question someone else’s tactics? LMFAO. They’re just as crooked as everyone else.

  5. chawk12thman says: Apr 21, 2012 3:00 PM

    Give Discipline and let all of this be the appeal to reduce or eliminate. Stop the insanity that is occurring with it being drug out so long.

  6. mdd913 says: Apr 21, 2012 3:03 PM

    Frustrated by the fact that the NFLPA wants to see the evidence and that people are finally starting to see through this crooked charade of theirs?

  7. thedudesnotin says: Apr 21, 2012 3:10 PM

    The last time we heard from Jeffrey Pash was in the labor negotiations last year.

    Please shut up Pash.

  8. txxxchief says: Apr 21, 2012 3:11 PM

    How could one expect anything besides stonewalling from the NFLPA? The players want it both ways. They want to be protected from injuries such as concussions, but they also seek to shield those who juice themselves up to enhance their battering of themselves and others and accept bounties.

    Just ban all that were involved in accepting or paying bounties, Goodell. Time to end this for good.

  9. steelerhypocrite says: Apr 21, 2012 3:13 PM

    Just proves the point, unions are full of a-holes, no matter the profession.

  10. marcinhouston says: Apr 21, 2012 3:16 PM

    The NFLPA is frustrated with the NFL’s tactic of not sharing all the information they have, especially considering the NFL’s past record of destroying evidence in Spygate.

  11. silentcount says: Apr 21, 2012 3:17 PM

    Hmmm… it turns out that the lynch mob was premature. Was Goodell relying only on manipulating public opinion to support his claims? Drew was right, they really don’t have any evidence to prove that the Saints players were guilty of anything, other than playing hard. Was the whole thing was about Goodell building a defense against the concussion lawsuits?

  12. scott8nj says: Apr 21, 2012 3:18 PM

    No one should be surprised (or frustrated) that ANY union is protecting their members that are facing discipline. That’s their job. The union may set these players straight behind closed doors but their first job is to defend them.

  13. prgsdw says: Apr 21, 2012 3:27 PM

    Oh wow. So you mean they are frustrated they might not cooperate?

    Like they didn’t just put the NFLPA over a barrel and get them to “agree” to a collusion penalty for the Cowboys and Redskins in exchange for raising the cap? Which was clearly a sham – like the Bengals, Bucs, Jaguars, Bills, etc are gonna actually SPEND any additional cap space.

    I love the product on the field but am really starting to hate the way the league is run.

  14. devrick says: Apr 21, 2012 3:28 PM

    My opinion, any on-field infractions should have been handled already through the regular in-season fine process. Players should have already been fined for any late or illegal hits that they made. Everything bounty-related happened off the field. They shouldn’t attempt to go back in time and fine players more because their illegal hits may have been bounty-related. Just treat the bounty stuff as off-field activities, and fine and suspend accordingly. And stop dragging it out. If you’re going to fine or suspend players, do it already.

  15. bjamesa says: Apr 21, 2012 3:31 PM

    I’m STILL frustrated with the NFL’s tactics with how they handled Spygate. Why do we think they would release any of the evidence from the Saints bounty program? They probably burned the evidence like last time…

  16. breakmyrustycage213 says: Apr 21, 2012 3:36 PM

    Herr Goodell and Komrade Mara do not like the antics.

  17. jluns275 says: Apr 21, 2012 3:48 PM

    Even if the slow roll-out of the details is getting old, I’m enjoying watching the Saints twist in the wind at the end of that ginormous asterisk!

  18. beastup22 says: Apr 21, 2012 3:52 PM

    We don’t believe you Goodell where is the evidence. You claim to have 50,000 pages but release 0. I’m calling b.s. on the whole thing.

  19. trustedvoice says: Apr 21, 2012 3:54 PM

    I have 5000 pages of documents that says Roger Goodell rapes small children. But you can’t see any of it. You are just going to have to take my word for it.

  20. gbmickey says: Apr 21, 2012 4:06 PM

    Many of the Saint fans act as ridiculousas as Brees with the asertion that there is no evidence. The Nfl has no obligation to prove anything to the union. They are doing it out of courtesy which i think is a mistake because the the union is going to play games no matter what the situation is. To think money didnt change hands with the players specially with the involvement by Peyton with that felon is delusional.

    Ultimately the players could have opted not to participate when warned by the Nfl but they ignored it as didthe coaches.Then they were encouraged to deny. They were as arrogant as the coaching staff and will suffer with them. To think there is no evidence is wishful thinking. Just because it hasnt been made public doesnt mean they dont have it. The dominos will continue to fall, you will see.

  21. electionconfidential says: Apr 21, 2012 4:10 PM

    The players just don’t want to play by the rules. These are not NEW rules and the idea that you’re not supposed to lie to NFL Security or impede their investigations isn’t new either. I understand that we all feel a little macho when we get into football mode, but the NFL is facing a class action that already includes 1,200 former players and is growing.

    The reason you don’t hear Tom Benson complaining is because he has a REAL vested interest in the NFL. He’s an owner and he knows this is the biggest financial threat the league has faced since the gambling allegations of the 60s. The reason you DO hear Drew Brees complaining is because he’s just an employee looking for a few more big paydays before he retires.

  22. totallydisgusted says: Apr 21, 2012 4:15 PM

    What a joke! the kings of dirty tactics, greed, and collusion are upset. They have no real case, but because some crybaby players and weak willed fans and manipulative owners Bounty Gate has become a bigger issue then need be.

  23. mdd913 says: Apr 21, 2012 4:17 PM

    gbmickey says: Apr 21, 2012 4:06 PM

    Many of the Saint fans act as ridiculousas as Brees with the asertion that there is no evidence. The Nfl has no obligation to prove anything to the union. They are doing it out of courtesy which i think is a mistake because the the union is going to play games no matter what the situation is. To think money didnt change hands with the players specially with the involvement by Peyton with that felon is delusional.

    Ultimately the players could have opted not to participate when warned by the Nfl but they ignored it as didthe coaches.Then they were encouraged to deny. They were as arrogant as the coaching staff and will suffer with them. To think there is no evidence is wishful thinking. Just because it hasnt been made public doesnt mean they dont have it. The dominos will continue to fall, you will see.

    ————————————————————-

    So, guilty until proven innocent, huh? That seems like a good idea.

  24. vmannj says: Apr 21, 2012 4:19 PM

    In addition to “Favre’s purple leg”, there is an actual piece of video evidence that directly relates to Williams’s comments. I’m paraphrasing, but he said something about twisting Vernon Davis’s ankles in the pile. One particular clip I saw of the game, shows a Saints player tackle Davis, then stand up, holding Davis’s feet, and twist he legs over. The tackle didn’t look cheap or over the top, but when you consider that less than 12 hours earlier the DC told his players to take out Davis’s ankles, it starts to look suspicious.

  25. ballboy48 says: Apr 21, 2012 4:24 PM

    Is this the same Jeff Pash moron that caused havoc during the negotiations last year, between the NFL & NFLPA?

  26. cliffordc05 says: Apr 21, 2012 4:28 PM

    The delaying tactics may eventually result in harsher results for the Saints franchise. If the penalties are delayed so long that they must all be lumped together it could result in a greater impact on the team because the loss of players will be condensed. The NFLPA tactics may do more harm than good for those involved.

    There is no good defense for lying to investigators and as in many cases the cover up proves to be worse than the original offense if for no other reason than it is the easier to prove.

  27. FinFan68 says: Apr 21, 2012 4:31 PM

    scott8nj says:
    Apr 21, 2012 3:18 PM
    No one should be surprised (or frustrated) that ANY union is protecting their members that are facing discipline. That’s their job. The union may set these players straight behind closed doors but their first job is to defend them.
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~
    Fair enough, but who exactly is defending the NFLPA members that were targets of the bounty program?

    The union wants to have things both ways and they are incapable of policing their own membership. They complain about the lack of information provided by the league yet they were aware of the controversial recording of Williams and neglected to mention it until it was made public. This whole situation is deplorable and all involved should be punished severely and that includes the players. The NFLPA should be more concerned with the majority of their membership rather than trying to protect a select few that act like dirtbags.

  28. lov2smile says: Apr 21, 2012 4:37 PM

    txxxchief says: “The players want it both ways.”
    PERFECT!!!

    Then the players line up against the NFL, whining that no told them the risks involved in knocking your head against a brick wall week after week, haha and we’re suppose to believe that. The brainless leading the mindless.

    I love the sport and I love the game of football, but I have a hard time feeling sorry for these crybabies.

    Here’s 10 million dollars, Do you want to play for us? Yes? Shut up and play

  29. vtopa says: Apr 21, 2012 4:39 PM

    Newsflash!! NFL frustrated by NFLPA’s insistence on PROOF and EVIDENCE. Sorry Goodell. Guess someone actually CAN say no to you.

  30. dontouchmyjunk says: Apr 21, 2012 4:45 PM

    To the mouth breathing Neanderthals who seem to frequent this site, the NFL is doing all they can to protect themselves. They have no choice. It now seems that every player who has ever played in the league (especially the fringe players who only played for a season or two) are suing the NFL.

    Blame the lawyers for losing the kickoff as a play.

    As far as releasing evidence about the bounties to the public — it makes me laugh. Most of you don’t read a full single page of anything, let alone 1000′s of pages.

    Anything beyond the 140 characters of a tweet is too much information for the vast majority of you. You rely on others to provide you with a synopsis. Then you’ll believe whatever it is you’re pre-disposed to believe anyway.

  31. saints4evah says: Apr 21, 2012 4:46 PM

    And again FinFan…to be a victim of a coaches blustery pregame speech is what kind of victim? Williams says what aggressive coaches always say, and the players did NOTHING to injure anybody and yet you want to cry about victims? Of what? Trash talk? Victims of trash talk deserve to have somebody come along and make those mean boys who were talking trash pay? You sure are the exact kind of fan that GODell is grooming for his flag football league. Good grief, let’s just pass the pink panties out to this new age fan too. Bunch of sissies.

  32. lov2smile says: Apr 21, 2012 4:46 PM

    Geeech all these Saints fans that get on this “Where’s the Proof” kick, were saying the same thing before the Williams tapes were released.

    Message to Saints fans: You may as well accept the reality, that the Saints organization was in the wrong and they have to pay for the crime. Quit whining for heaven sakes.

    You sound like a bunch of sick blind cats that keep crying for food that is placed right under your nose.

    It really gets tiring.

  33. jackers252 says: Apr 21, 2012 4:47 PM

    FinFin68
    Fair enough, but who exactly is defending the NFLPA members that were targets of the bounty program?
    ——————–
    That’s the point, the NFLPA is trying to figure out the FACTS before advising either way. Just release the documents, Goodell. Why open ANOTHER investigation if there is such concrete evidence to support the harshest penalties in the history of the league?

    I don’t understand why everyone doesn’t want to see what the NFL discovered. If it damns the Saints, good, it will help educate the league against dirty play. If not, then it damns the league for conducting a witch-hunt in New Orleans to provide cover in these lawsuits from former players.

  34. genericuser8888 says: Apr 21, 2012 4:59 PM

    The NFL has offered to give back Sean Payton some money back if he “complies” with the league and goes around giving speeches about how evil bounty programs are and that people should not do what he has done. Per the NFL’s official statement:

    “The club and the individuals will be expected to cooperate in any further proceedings and to assist in the development and implementation of programs to instruct players and coaches at all levels on principles of player safety, fair play, and sportsmanship.

    “If they embrace the opportunity and participate in a constructive way, Commissioner Goodell said he would consider mitigating the financial penalties on the individuals. In the case of the team, the commissioner would consider whether there are factors that would support modifying the forfeiture of the team’s 2013 second-round draft choice.”

    Thing is, Sean never admitted to having anything to do with the bounty program. He was punished for lack of institutional control.

    Some may see the NFL giving Sean a chance to make back some of his salary as being generous. I view it as the NFL trying to coerce him into admitting more than he is guilty of in the scandal and becoming the poster boy for reform, that sort of thing. So, when the NFLPA worries that the league is trying to coerce players into admitting things without providing any evidence, I’m all for them standing up or the players. I’m not saying some players don’t deserve to be punished – they probably do. I’m just saying that while Goodell can suspend Payton for a year with no questions asked, I don’t blame the NFLPA for asking for more proof in the form of specific injuries, and specific instances of payment for injuries.

    By the way, Mike, Farve didn’t even miss a play. Most (but not all) of the hits on Farve that night were legal as well. If they want proof of a bounty program, they’re gonna have to do better than Farve getting his ankle wrapped between plays.

    Last, I’m sure Drew Brees (who is on the NFLPA committee) wants to see ALL the evidence. If Goodell felt like he had enough to suspend Payton for a full YEAR for a “lack of institutional control” …then he should have some pretty strong evidence of a bounty program. In addition to the players defense, he wants to see what Goodell really has on Payton. If there really isn’t much evidence there, Payton might have some legal recourse to say that the league is trying to coerce him into admitting to things that he was no direct part of.

  35. purplegreenandgold says: Apr 21, 2012 5:02 PM

    pft says: And the delayed imposition of discipline against the Saints players has resulted in part from the fact that these arguments have forced NFL Security to engage in additional interviews to explore and/or knock down the coercion defense.
    ==================================
    they r forced to engage in additional interviews because they did not see THIS defense. come on- before u come out with allegations u r to look @ EVERY scenario and get ur ducks in a row. 50,000 pages is alot of work to now needing more interviews. true fans and haters need conclusion on this matter.

  36. dowhatifeellike says: Apr 21, 2012 5:10 PM

    The NFLPA isn’t going to do anything because they represent both sides – those paid to injure, and those on the receiving end. To do anything would upset one of those groups, so they will do nothing.

  37. genericuser8888 says: Apr 21, 2012 5:35 PM

    50,000 pages of “evidence” and the league hasn’t released a single page.

    The only thing we have gotten is a bit of audio from a rogue cameraman.

    Yea, I’d want more evidence too.

  38. colonellingus439 says: Apr 21, 2012 5:45 PM

    So let me get this straight: hitting someone in a legal way that breaks their leg or injures them… perfectly fine in professional football (Hey injuries are part of the game, right?) On the other hand, hitting someone in a legal way that breaks their leg or injures them, AND collecting a grand or two on the side from teammates or coaches… totally unethical and deserving of life-time bans from the sport? You people are all P(U)SSIES!… it’s as simple as that. Lawrence Taylor, Singletary, Jack Lambert, Ray Lewis, James Harrison… ALL CRIMINALS! Give me an f’n break. Grow up… this is football. You people are all contributing to the changes being made to this game on a weekly basis by faking disgust for these “bounties”… which have been around since the sport began. These people play a SPORT for a living… they play a GAME… for nothing other than ENTERTAINMENT value. They’re modern-day circus performers when you really think about it. If they don’t want a broken leg or concussions every week, they should work in a factory or office like every other person on this planet who wasn’t blessed with the ability to PLAY A GAME for a living! Stop acting so damn smug by pretending you care about the safety of people who make millions of dollars a year from PLAYING A GAME! Pretty soon defense is going to be eliminated altogether (the kick-off might be gone soon too). We’ll be watching 7-on-7 drills, arena-type games in the NFL soon. Is that what you people want? P(U)SSIES! Seriously, grow up.

  39. FinFan68 says: Apr 21, 2012 5:49 PM

    saints4evah,
    Nice rant…too bad it is irrelevant. You used the word “victim”, not me, but you decided to complain about the preconceived notion within your own head. I said target because that is exactly what they were. The issue is that there was intent to injure by specifically targeting some players and their previous injuries and offering up incentive based pay (furnished by coaches, players and even outsiders) in a bounty pool. That has nothing to do with hard-hitting football and the concept is beyond the norm. Most coaches give speeches designed to fire-up/motivate their players. Williams crossed the line and some players were complicit as well. That is not part of the game we all enjoy. If you can’t see that due to fanboy blinders or a distorted view of what the game is all about, then there is not much hope for you.

  40. macbull says: Apr 21, 2012 5:56 PM

    Greg Williams history with his Bounty defense is well documented and it’s not like the players at each team came up with the idea of bounties as an incentive to crank up the defensive hitting.

    The NFL has trouble overcoming the fact that it was Coach Williams who implemented his Bounty system at each coaching stop.

    Did the players participate…yep

    The Boss says do it and the players did their best to please their coach.

    If the players had implemented the Bounty defensive incentives, it would make the NFL’s case against the players stronger…but the facts do not support any such claim.

  41. gweez76 says: Apr 21, 2012 6:03 PM

    Mara and Krafts lapdog doesn’t understand why they don’t roll over like he does.

    “They’ll rub your belly DeeMo!” says Goodell

  42. jluns275 says: Apr 21, 2012 7:16 PM

    colonellingus439:
    Good rant there.
    Now that you mention it, it is interesting to note all of those players except Singletary have had trouble with the law- as a group including, but not limited to child rape convictions & murder charges.
    Kinda outsmarted yourself there, tiger.

  43. paulitik74 says: Apr 21, 2012 8:12 PM

    The NFLPA would’ve helped it’s case if they had brought players to review the evidence that weren’t former and current Saints players.

    Conflict of interest much?

  44. mogogo1 says: Apr 21, 2012 8:36 PM

    If you’re a dirty player, the NFLPA (and all the other pro sports unions) is your best friend. If you’re an honest player following the rules, not so much.

    A guy gets nailed for using PEDs? The unions automatically appeal any punishment, even though the honest guys were getting the shaft from the guy cheating. Bounties designed to hurt other players? NFLPA doesn’t want anybody being punished, even if they were directly funding the bounties.

  45. colonellingus439 says: Apr 21, 2012 8:37 PM

    Jluns275:

    Would it have been better if I said Ronnie Lott, George Atkinson, Rodney Harrison, John Lynch, Stever Atwater, and Ray Nitscke?

    Smarta(s)s

  46. colonellingus439 says: Apr 21, 2012 8:39 PM

    How about Deacon Jones, Dick Butkus or Jack Tatum?

  47. johnnyb216 says: Apr 21, 2012 8:44 PM

    I’m fustrated in the NFL’s tactics to ruin football.

  48. mjkelly77 says: Apr 21, 2012 9:28 PM

    … players were coerced by their coaches …
    __________________

    Gee, I think they tried that defense at the Nuremberg Trials. “I vas merely following orders.”

  49. mjkelly77 says: Apr 21, 2012 9:51 PM

    colonellingus439 says:Apr 21, 2012 8:39 PM

    How about Deacon Jones, Dick Butkus or Jack Tatum?
    ____________________

    Yeah, Jack Tatum. I’ve had his book “They Call Me Assassin” for many years now. He paralyzed a 27 -year-old Darryl Stingley. During an exhibition game. Exhibition game. Destroyed a young man’s life. Exhibition game. Had to show how tough he was. A fockin’ exhibition game. Tatum was an ignorant a$$ clown.

  50. musicman495 says: Apr 21, 2012 11:02 PM

    lov2smile says: Apr 21, 2012 4:46 PM

    Geeech all these Saints fans that get on this “Where’s the Proof” kick, were saying the same thing before the Williams tapes were released.
    ————————————-
    So then answer the question. “Where is the proof?” Not “Where is the speech?” Where is the proof? Where are the hits? Where are the cart offs?

    See, I am not a Saints fan, but I have this thing about American justice where I think someone who makes a charge and carries out a penalty against someone should not be able to get away with saying, “Just take my word for it.” They should have to produce the evidence.

    By contrast, did you see the NHL’s detailed review of evidence concerning Rafi Torres before they suspended him for 25 games? Puts the NFL to shame.

    And finally, has the NFL even asked the question about whether the 49ers had a bounty system in place for their playoff game with the Saints? Because for all the hand wringing about Gregg Williams’ speech, the only hit that resulted in someone having to leave that game was Donte Whitner’s helmet to helmet on Pierre Thomas. For that, he paraded around on the field, got praised by the press for having “set the tone” for the rest of the game, and praised by fans because it was the latest example of the 49ers having knocked six running backs out last season. Boy, the hypocrisy around here knows no bounds.

  51. jameslongstaffe says: Apr 22, 2012 1:03 AM

    Typical lawyer excuses… nobody is ever guilty as long as we all get paid. No mention of the truth

  52. jameslongstaffe says: Apr 22, 2012 1:13 AM

    Probably get more out of asking your dog if he took a dump on the carpet… so why even bother

  53. denverscott says: Apr 22, 2012 1:17 AM

    colonellingus439 says: Apr 21, 2012 5:45 PM

    So let me get this straight: hitting someone in a legal way that breaks their leg or injures them… perfectly fine in professional football (Hey injuries are part of the game, right?) On the other hand, hitting someone in a legal way that breaks their leg or injures them, AND collecting a grand or two on the side from teammates or coaches… totally unethical and deserving of life-time bans from the sport? You people are all P(U)SSIES!… it’s as simple as that. Lawrence Taylor, Singletary, Jack Lambert, Ray Lewis, James Harrison… ALL CRIMINALS! Give me an f’n break. Grow up… this is football. You people are all contributing to the changes being made to this game on a weekly basis by faking disgust for these “bounties”… which have been around since the sport began. These people play a SPORT for a living… they play a GAME… for nothing other than ENTERTAINMENT value. They’re modern-day circus performers when you really think about it. If they don’t want a broken leg or concussions every week, they should work in a factory or office like every other person on this planet who wasn’t blessed with the ability to PLAY A GAME for a living! Stop acting so damn smug by pretending you care about the safety of people who make millions of dollars a year from PLAYING A GAME! Pretty soon defense is going to be eliminated altogether (the kick-off might be gone soon too). We’ll be watching 7-on-7 drills, arena-type games in the NFL soon. Is that what you people want? P(U)SSIES! Seriously, grow up.

    How old were you when your Mom gave birth?
    Toolin’ toolin’ toolin’ down the river.
    You ARE the reason every birthing bed should have a 5 gallon bucket next to it.

  54. denverscott says: Apr 22, 2012 1:19 AM

    Not “gave birth to you” but gave birth to your Dad?

  55. bmue42 says: Apr 22, 2012 1:31 AM

    im not a saints fan (go pack!) but really, where is the evidence, we should just take your word for it? like we did for spygate?

    im sure no one has ever had purple leg after a football game unless there was a bounty on him as well right florio?

    again i say who cares? they get paid to hurt and be hurt , i bet half the people that wants the hammer dropped on everyone involved was in marching band in high school, and dont realize that if you hurt the other teams best player it increases your chances of winning, so im sure that was their mindset even before 10k was dropped on a table before a game

    i watch the game of football for the strategy, the athleticism, and the violence in no particuler order get off your high horses and admit to yourself thats why you watch to and thats what you want and expect to see every sunday

  56. firegoodell says: Apr 22, 2012 8:28 AM

    steelerhypocrite says:
    Apr 21, 2012 3:13 PM
    Just proves the point, unions are full of a-holes, no matter the profession.

    85 36 i Rate This

    one more person who doesn’t have a clue heard from…..unions – in this case the NFLPA – protect a process and their union members from management who don’t want to follow the contract or who seek to circumvent the process for handling down punishments and discipline – the union is only protecting their members/employees – the NFLPA and any other union will not be able to protect employees who have actually done something wrong – if the NFL can prove their case – the NFLPA will not be able to stand in the way of any discipline handed down – but the NFLPA can make sure that the members aren’t getting bent over in the process. Do yourself a favor – think about what you post before posting stupid statements about unions and their members.

  57. footballgyrl says: Apr 22, 2012 8:52 AM

    I agree 100% with:

    musicman495 says:Apr 21, 2012 11:02 PM

  58. olcap says: Apr 22, 2012 9:26 AM

    gbmickey says:
    Apr 21, 2012 4:06 PM

    To think money didnt change hands with the players specially with the involvement by Peyton with that felon is delusional.

    ————-

    This has nothing to do with Peyton.

    It may help if, when trying to refer to the Saints disgraced head coach, to just think of the PAY that was the incentive for participating in the bounty program. PAYton.

  59. lov2smile says: Apr 22, 2012 1:21 PM

    It’s laughable…a couple posters have stated that they are still “Frustrated” about spygate.

    YIKES, you people have to get a life…move on. Spygate was 6 years ago.

    With a media cycle 24/7, news gets shifted into the background in the blink of an eye.

    That’s why Saints fans need to get everything out in the open NOW, serve the punishment ASAP and move on.

    All you are doing is prolonging the agony. Get it behind you and move on, the sooner the better.

    Be ready for everytime the Saints are on national TV the commentators will want you to know what’s on their mind (even though you don’t give a darn) Like, what is on their minds has some kind of importance to something.

    Anyway, I digress….move on, get it behind you and forget about it. Stop WHINING. It is unbecoming and fruitless.

    “The U.S. Constitution does not guarantee happiness, only the pursuit of it. You have to catch up with it yourself.”
    Benjamin Franklin

  60. lov2smile says: Apr 22, 2012 1:31 PM

    FinFan68 says:

    The issue is that there was intent to injure by specifically targeting some players and their previous injuries and offering up incentive……If you can’t see that due to fanboy blinders or a distorted view of what the game is all about, then there is not much hope for you.

    Very well said FinFan

  61. veetan says: Apr 22, 2012 9:27 PM

    jluns275 says:

    “Even if the slow roll-out of the details is getting old, I’m enjoying watching the Saints twist in the wind at the end of that ginormous asterisk!”

    BUT

    Ultimately, this is working to the Saints advantage by infuriating them and instilling a hyper-sense of comradarie and brotherhood – which we all know is a scary thing. Reality check: Their record setting offense, and best winning percentage over the last three years is returning virtually intact, plus now, their pissed as hell at Goodell for targeting them with the delayed suspensions until after the draft, giving them an early bye week that intentionlly extends the Coach’s suspension, etc.

    So the real question is, jluns275, How much will you enjoy watching Goodell hand the Saints their 2nd Lombardi Trophy right there on the 50 yard line in New Orleans?

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