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Saints officials go on record to dispute espionage allegations

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As the latest controversy involving the Saints takes center stage only three days before the 2012 draft, various Saints employees are going on the record to counter the information provided from unnamed sources to ESPN, which has reported that G.M. Mickey Loomis intercepted communications among opposing coaches from 2002 through 2004.

Hall of Fame (as of August) defensive tackle Cortez Kennedy, who has previously worked for the team under a coaching fellowship but now works as an advisor, disputes the contention.

“This is completely false,” Kennedy said, via comments forwarded to PFT by the Saints.  “I have sat with Mickey for years, for multiple games and I can say that when Mickey gets up to go walk around during breaks or halftime, I put his earpiece in . . . it is WWL-AM radio. . . .  I know this, because I have heard.  Plain and simple.”

Also, director of college scouting Rick Reiprish sat next to Loomis in the booth during parts of the 2004 season.  “This is completely untrue, there was never any kind of electronic device to listen in on any other booths, and this is certainly not something Mickey Loomis would engage in,” Reiprish said.

Former Saints employee Rick Mueller, who served as director of player personnel during the 2002 season, also says “there is no way this happened.”

Obviously, no one expects the Saints to admit it, if it’s true.  Many will have trouble accepting anything the Saints say on the matter as truthful, given the multi-year pattern of denial regarding the bounty situation.  But the Saints seem to be committed to aggressively pursuing their version of the events, and to force ESPN to put its cards on the table regarding the suggestion that Loomis was engaged in underhanded activities.

Regardless of how it turns out, the ultimate reality show has sprouted another unexpected story line.

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  1. linvillegorge says: Apr 23, 2012 5:33 PM

    They denied having a bounty system back in 2010 too.

  2. mrhurriicane says: Apr 23, 2012 5:33 PM

    Drew Brees needs an explanation.

  3. tjigger says: Apr 23, 2012 5:34 PM

    ‘sources’ reveal the Saints and the front office have Jimmy Hoffa?

  4. kingbeason52 says: Apr 23, 2012 5:34 PM

    Of course they are going to dispute it..what other option do they have..seriously..

  5. dvdman123 says: Apr 23, 2012 5:35 PM

    The New Orleans Saints should be a shoe in for “2012 Hard Knocks”. In the history of the NFL no team has had so much drama going into a regular season and we still still several months left!

  6. seatownballers says: Apr 23, 2012 5:35 PM

    The timing of this could not have been worse for the saints

  7. east96st says: Apr 23, 2012 5:39 PM

    The dilemma the Saints face is most potential jurors would view ESPN and the Saints, both, as having zero credibility. What do you do in the jury room? Flip a coin to see which habitual liar you pretend to believe?

  8. moagecu says: Apr 23, 2012 5:42 PM

    So Kennedy says he listened to loomis’ headset during bathroom breaks and this other guy denys that any listening devices existed……?

  9. dd393 says: Apr 23, 2012 5:42 PM

    This is really getting good. Can’t wait until the NFL and Roger Goodell start looking into this. The franchise is revealing itself as having little or no character from top to bottom.

    As long as Warren Sapp didn’t break the story.

  10. csmit44 says: Apr 23, 2012 5:42 PM

    The difference in this dispute and the previous dispute is instead of just blowing off Goodell they are actually legally going on record. Considering the Statute of Limitations is likely up on any possible charges, that’s a pretty bold (and likely unnecessary) statement. As the article stated, they’re probably screwed in the court of public opinion due to the pay for performance story, but lets see if ESPN puts its money where its mouth is. My bet is ESPN lets this go pretty quickly.

  11. blacknole08 says: Apr 23, 2012 5:43 PM

    Sean Payton accepts full responsibility for his actions. He will likely appeal this in a few days.

  12. goodolebaghead says: Apr 23, 2012 5:44 PM

    Doesn’t matter if this is fiction. You fans of other teams so happy to see NOLA go down will assume it’s true no matter what. The haters have become more blind than the fans…

    “You either die the hero, or stay alive long enough to become the villain.”

  13. nineroutsider says: Apr 23, 2012 5:44 PM

    As unpopular as it may be, I’m reserving judgement on this until more is known. The Saints, and their fans, better hope it’s fake or there is going to be a lot of punishments coming out of this one…

    Even if you don’t like them as much as I don’t like them, you have to feel bad for Saints fans. They are the real losers in all of this.

  14. ilovefoolsball says: Apr 23, 2012 5:45 PM

    Are you people so uncreative that all you can ever contribute to the discussion is “Drew Brees needs an explanation”?

    You sound like sheep repeating what each other are saying. If I didn’t know better I’d say you were spam bots but the truth is you have even less value in what you’re selling than a spammer.

    Put a little effort into your posts instead of repeating what the previous uninformed, uncreative poster before you said.

  15. chiadam says: Apr 23, 2012 5:48 PM

    Anyway, why is the GM listening to AM radio during a game? Was that the Saints’ radio call? Listening to the opposing coaches makes a lot more sense to me than listening to Hall and Oates.

  16. kathleenturnersoverdrive says: Apr 23, 2012 5:48 PM

    This Site is full of commentors who believe everything they read. Its guilty untill proven innocent around here.

  17. lockoftheweak says: Apr 23, 2012 5:49 PM

    This alleged infraction is a federal offense.
    If found guilty I bet Goodell’s punishment will exceed whatever the Feds come up with.
    Like, no listening to any electronic devices, forever.

  18. samapoc says: Apr 23, 2012 5:52 PM

    I sincerely hope that proof other than ex embittered employees testimony is supporting this story from the early 2000′s.

    Also, the saints did not dispute or admit to a bounty program. They admitted to illegal bonuses for play; and they denied pay for injury. The use of the word “bounty” sounds cool and all, but it implies pay for injury. No proof or admittance of a pay for injury program was ever uncovered. The speech by Williams was tasteless football talk, but there is nothing to suggest it went beyond just talk.

    This new accusation sounds so stupid. This is the kind of thing that DA’s lose their jobs over. Fact is, if this goes forward in the legal system, either the DA or Loomis is going to BR looking for a job next year!

  19. theytukrjobs says: Apr 23, 2012 5:52 PM

    I made this comment a while back, and it is looking to be true perhaps.

    Whenever you have an individual or organization that is blatantly and knowingly breaking rules, chances are they were cheating in a lot of other ways too that they haven’t been caught doing. There is a pattern of behavior there.

    The Saints were denying the bounty system, while continuing to administer it, for years. If you believe that an organization capable of doing that would restrict their cheating only to that an nothing else, then you are an idiot and haven’t spent enough time in the real world.

    I would bet money that there is some truth to these allegations, and that for any instance of cheating that the Saints are nailed for there were another 10 things they got away with. That is just how this sort of thing works. And if they really were using every edge, legal or not, to win games then don’t be surprised if their team collapses this season when those legs are removed.

  20. musicman495 says: Apr 23, 2012 5:54 PM

    I bet this is a complete fabrication. And if I were other members of the press, I would start digging into who stands to benefit from this repeated character assassination.

  21. eddddddd says: Apr 23, 2012 5:54 PM

    This sounds like something Belichick would do.

  22. raiderlyfe510 says: Apr 23, 2012 5:58 PM

    This is bad…very very bad. No Bueno.

  23. ghostofnflpresent says: Apr 23, 2012 5:58 PM

    I’m sorry the 2002-2004 years do not add up…

    Meaning, I can’t find the exact years of his coaching fellowship…IF Cortez’s fellowship is after the 2004 season, than the allegations of the now famous ‘Loomis earpiece’ could be true…Cortez might just made himself a credible witness to the ‘Loomis earpiece’ scandal…

  24. longysf says: Apr 23, 2012 5:59 PM

    Sorry folks, I like the Saints, but this makes too much sense. Payton of the Parcells/Belichick family tree. Spygate and its missing tapes were brushed over because it would have ripped the legitimacy out of a powerful surge in the sport…and a powerful legacy that is being built in New England. Goddell turned a blind eye with a slap on the wrist. But New Orleans? I suppose that is program that wont tarnish the sport since the Big Easy is already associated with sticky issues.

    Believe it. They recorded it.

  25. psdaleno says: Apr 23, 2012 6:01 PM

    I like Brees but if I were the Saints, I would take that money and give discounted, really discounted, tickets for the next two seasons. A somewhat clean start for everyone once those involved are removed. A great quarterback, Brees is, but the Saints’ reputation won’t be solved even if they win the Super Bowl this year.

  26. realdealsteel says: Apr 23, 2012 6:02 PM

    Sorry but I don’t buy this one. This is Saints haters making up stuff.

  27. footballfan292 says: Apr 23, 2012 6:02 PM

    Not an ounce of class left in that organization. They cheat, they are dirty, they are disgrace to the game.

  28. csmit44 says: Apr 23, 2012 6:02 PM

    Dude Payton wasn’t even the coach of the Saints at that time LOL.

  29. sdb0ltz says: Apr 23, 2012 6:06 PM

    Man, Im a Charger fan and have ZERO ties to the NFC in regards to being a fan, but if there was one team, it would be the Saints…. That is of course before all this bounty, spying stuff came about. Now they are getting a slimy rep and clearly bent rules to get their championship. Feel bad for Brees being caught in the middle of all this.

    Looks like the Saints took the quote “If you arent cheating, youre not trying hard enough” a little too literal.

  30. 4thqtrsaint says: Apr 23, 2012 6:08 PM

    If everyting the Saints say about this allegation are true, and Loomis is not guilty, it doesnt matter. Its out there now, true or not. If you don’t like the Saints, you’ll believe this simply becsuse somebody told you it was true.

    If they came out tomorrow and said the owner murdered his first wife, at this point everybody will believe it.

    As a Saints fan, it sucks. I don’t know if its true or not, but I know I’m getting sick of this.

  31. vikingamericann says: Apr 23, 2012 6:09 PM

    longysf | Apr 23, 2012, 5:59 PM EDT
    Sorry folks, I like the Saints, but this makes too much sense. Payton of the Parcells/Belichick family tree. Spygate and its missing tapes were brushed over because it would have ripped the legitimacy out of a powerful surge in the sport…and a powerful legacy that is being built in New England. Goddell turned a blind eye with a slap on the wrist. But New Orleans? I suppose that is program that wont tarnish the sport since the Big Easy is already associated with sticky issues.

    Believe it. They recorded it.

    Your theory has one major flaw. Sean Payton was not the coach of the Saints until 2006. I’m guessing you played football with a tinfoil helmet.

  32. ilovefoolsball says: Apr 23, 2012 6:11 PM

    footballfan292 says:
    Apr 23, 2012 6:02 PM
    Not an ounce of class left in that organization. They cheat, they are dirty, they are disgrace to the game.
    ________
    and you’re a naive, easily misled individual who believes everything fed to him by unknown sources with little to no physical evidence.
    I’m sure you were big supporter of the Saints before all of this B.S. came out too.

  33. purplegreenandgold says: Apr 23, 2012 6:11 PM

    kathleenturnersoverdrive says:
    Apr 23, 2012 5:48 PM

    This Site is full of commentors who believe everything they read. Its guilty untill proven innocent around here.
    ==================================

    clicks = $$$$$… this is how pft makes money. dont blame the bloggers. pft know how many people follow them and can calculate how much revenue this brings in. in the news game u print it first because u can always follow up with a retraction later.

  34. txtuff says: Apr 23, 2012 6:11 PM

    Rather it’s true or not wearing another persons earpiece is freaking nasty, COME ON Kennedy!

  35. teal379 says: Apr 23, 2012 6:12 PM

    The NCAA calls this “lack of institutional control”….

    MAYBE that’s what’s going on here. Lest people forget, the Saints were the Aints a VERY long time and sometimes you lose so much, you’ll do ANYTHING to win, just once. Then it snowballs…

    This is now a federal/State LEO matter as it was brought to the attention of the Louisiana Atty. General’s office (IIRC)

    Let the feds do the discovery/investigate and see what shakes out there.

    Not saying they did it for sure but ask yourself, honestly, what about what we’ve learned in the last 9 months tells you that there’s no way the Saints/Loomis did this? What there makes you feel they’re clean? Why do you believe them when they say they didn’t do it afte denying (and some players STILL do) the events that led to the suspensions of staff and the coming player suspensions?

  36. sclement65 says: Apr 23, 2012 6:22 PM

    Of course all the Saints haters come out. This is a BS. See Source for CBS below.

    Source to CBSSports.com on ESPN’s allegations that GM Mickey Loomis could have eavesdropped on opposing teams from 2002-04 without being detected: “It is impossible to do (eavesdrop),” the source said. “Plus the NFL frequency coordinator would know and he knows every signal (where) this could happen. The NFL frequency coordinator controls every signal in the stadium so you can’t do it.”

    The hate for the Saints is laughable.

  37. nineroutsider says: Apr 23, 2012 6:23 PM

    I do wonder what else Loomis had in that bat-cave of his…

    Also, in 2005 when they couldn’t play in the dome they went 3-13, so don’t argue that the wiretapping didn’t matter because they only went .500 with it.

    Oh wait, I’m still reserving judgement, but it looks like a federal investigation will happen. This isn’t just “haters” trying to bring the Saints down further (what a dumb argument), this is another serious issue for the Saints. I highly doubt ESPN has to apologize or recant anything…

  38. jealst says: Apr 23, 2012 6:57 PM

    A ferderal investigation? Surely, the Statue of Limitation has passed on this.

  39. ilovefoolsball says: Apr 23, 2012 6:58 PM

    nineroutsider says:
    Apr 23, 2012 6:23 PM
    I do wonder what else Loomis had in that bat-cave of his…

    Also, in 2005 when they couldn’t play in the dome they went 3-13, so don’t argue that the wiretapping didn’t matter because they only went .500 with it.
    ___________
    A good example of someone commenting on something they know NOTHING ABOUT.

    The Saints went 3-13 in 2005 and were lucky to be able to even put a team on the field after Katrina destroyed New Orleans.
    They were holding practices in street clothes on basketball courts and using hotel rooms for offices. They were a vagabond team with no home, no headquarters, no hope.
    It’s unfortunate that people like you feel so strongly to voice your opinion when you really have no idea what you’re talking about.

  40. euphoni says: Apr 23, 2012 6:58 PM

    I smell a defamation of charachter lawsuit from the Saints..

  41. ricksaints says: Apr 23, 2012 7:00 PM

    IF and that’s a big IF they find that this story to be false can they go after espn for false accusation?

  42. sportmentary says: Apr 23, 2012 7:06 PM

    WOW, a denial by the Saints. Now that’s something I can take to the bank.

  43. 4thqtrsaint says: Apr 23, 2012 7:06 PM

    Thank you Saint haters for proving my point. You know who you are. There’s nothing quite as easy as a shortcut to thinking.

    Heck, just believe what you’re told and you won’t even have to break a sweat. :)

  44. whodat0951 says: Apr 23, 2012 7:08 PM

    This just in, Payton and Loomis were involved in the earthquake that resulted in the tsunami that hit Japan. Also, there are rumors by this “unnamed souce” that they were involved in Metta World Peace elbowing James Harden last night. These sources are really reliable from ESPN!!

  45. CKL says: Apr 23, 2012 7:16 PM

    I think the timing of this coming out is just plain weird. Why now? Is someone who has an agenda the source? Not saying it is or isn’t true, it just seems hinky.

  46. euphoni says: Apr 23, 2012 7:22 PM

    How is this an issue for the saints? Just more speculation that is not based with any fact. This is a ridiculous story and just doesn’t make sense. Before you publish a story, espn, how about evidence of wrongdoing rather than pure speculation.

  47. turdfurguson2 says: Apr 23, 2012 7:24 PM

    Saints Cheating? Big surprise there!

    2009 Super Bowl Champions- New Orleans Saints*

  48. beauregard says: Apr 23, 2012 7:25 PM

    Corporate Response to Damaging Allegations: Deny, Deny,Deny. Everyone at the top of their voice repeatedly deny everything.
    If that doesn’t work claim the whole world is out to get you and is hating on you.

    All of the bogus denials during the Bounty Fiasco gives this crop of denials no credibility.

  49. prrebel says: Apr 23, 2012 7:27 PM

    nineroutsider says: Apr 23, 2012 6:23 PM

    I do wonder what else Loomis had in that bat-cave of his…

    Also, in 2005 when they couldn’t play in the dome they went 3-13, so don’t argue that the wiretapping didn’t matter because they only went .500 with it.

    Oh wait, I’m still reserving judgement, but it looks like a federal investigation will happen. This isn’t just “haters” trying to bring the Saints down further (what a dumb argument), this is another serious issue for the Saints. I highly doubt ESPN has to apologize or recant anything…
    ———————————————————–

    Hey legal genius. If what ESPN said turns out to be false, they can be sued for libel and slander, so yes, they would have to recant and apologize, not that it would protect them.

    Loomis is also not an X’s and O’s person and he could very well have been listening to WWL radio, since they are the flagship station of the Saints. I don’t think Cortez Kennedy is going to pull the call letters WWL out of his butt.

  50. purpleguy says: Apr 23, 2012 7:28 PM

    Again, I assume this is all the fault of Benson’s grand-daughter who is now on double secret probation.

  51. 49erstim says: Apr 23, 2012 7:29 PM

    I don’t like the argument “if you believe this you’re just a hater”. That’s a childish argument and shame on you if you used said argument. People (including you I’d imagine) believe in hearsay all the time, gossip etc. I don’t want this to be true. This opens up a pandora’s box if its true and I don’t want to see the ramifications..

  52. ronmexico4life says: Apr 23, 2012 7:31 PM

    This is a direct quote from espn.com:

    “The 2005 season remains the infamous one that the Saints never played a home game in the Superdome due to the devastating impact of Hurricane Katrina. According to sources, that was also the first time Loomis would not have had the ability to listen in on the play calls of opposing teams. That year the Saints finished 3-13.”

    Brilliant. So the Saints went 7-9, and 8-8 in the two previous seasons because the GM, who is simply a cap/contracts guy, was able to hear highly sophisticated football calls and was immediately able to signal this to the coaches, but then in 2005 b/c Loomis no longer had this ear piece, NOT because of the hurricane/displacement/playing home games in visiting teams stadiums/aaron brooks, the team went 3-13. You know, a lot of times I take shots at PFT for absurd conclusions you guys draw, but this has got to be some of the most amateur reporting out there.
    By the way, Vikings still choked in the 2009 NFC Championship

  53. mogogo1 says: Apr 23, 2012 7:31 PM

    The big picture is the Saints have been dumb from the beginning over how they’ve handled the bounty scandal. To make it go away, they need to accept full responsibility, have at least one head roll to create some closure, then move on. If they’d canned Loomis earlier, this new allegation probably never comes to light.

    Instead, they’ve done all they can to keep the thing in the news: Payton is still claiming he never lied to the NFL…Brees says something dumb every couple of days…instead of naming a single interim for the season, they give Vitt the job so there can be still more stories when somebody has to step in and replace him. I think they believe they’re acting clever and rubbing the NFL’s nose in it, but it just makes them look worse.

  54. trollaikman8 says: Apr 23, 2012 7:35 PM

    Bill Parcells price just went up.

  55. 2dollarpbrs says: Apr 23, 2012 7:39 PM

    Well that resolves that ……the Saints wouldn’t lie

  56. vegassaint says: Apr 23, 2012 7:48 PM

    This story can’t be true. The Saints were a terrible team during the time frame that this supposedly happened. For those already cracking jokes on Payton and Brees (“Brees needs an explanation” DER!) , this supposedly took place during the Jim Haslett, Aaron Brooks era.

  57. fcs34 says: Apr 23, 2012 7:54 PM

    If the story is completely fabricated the ESPN gets sued and appologizes. Pretty sure they have a few lawyers on staff to keep that from happening so I think it’s safe to assume there may be at least something to this.

  58. all32 says: Apr 23, 2012 7:55 PM

    footballfan292 says:
    Apr 23, 2012 6:02 PM
    Not an ounce of class left in that organization. They cheat, they are dirty, they are disgrace to the game.
    ________
    and you’re a naive, easily misled individual who believes everything fed to him by unknown sources with little to no physical evidence.
    I’m sure you were big supporter of the Saints before all of this B.S. came out too.

    Who’s the naive one?

  59. mark0226 says: Apr 23, 2012 7:58 PM

    This is the pre-Payton and Brees era and the Saints were 97, 8-8, and 8-8 during those years. Even if it were true, it didn’t help them any.

  60. bayousaint says: Apr 23, 2012 8:05 PM

    Micky Loomis is a financial guru. He wouldn’t even understand opposing teams play book terminology. This makes absolutely no sense for him to even listen in. That is why it is a bogus story, without any real sources. Everyone is just trying to kick a dead horse. Can’t wait until we can get some real football news.

  61. patriotinvasion says: Apr 23, 2012 8:27 PM

    Leave it to ESPN to doctor up a scandal story based on a weak source and plenty of buzz lines to generate ratings…..hmmmm, where have I seen this before?

  62. vikingamericann says: Apr 23, 2012 8:29 PM

    Fcs34 says If the story is completely fabricated the ESPN gets sued and appologizes. Pretty sure they have a few lawyers on staff to keep that from happening so I think it’s safe to assume there may be at least something to this.

    This is know as circular logic. ESPN would not air this story if the did not have proof thus the story must be true. I guess they don’t teach the Scientific Method in schools anymore.

  63. hairpie says: Apr 23, 2012 9:07 PM

    Well, now that espn reported it, just like the Pats walkthrough tape that never existed, it doesnt matter if its true! In 3 months espn will issue an appology that no one will see and that will be the end of it.. from their perspective. Not if you’re a saints fan though.

  64. banjostang says: Apr 23, 2012 9:26 PM

    So ESPN runs a story that cannot be substantiated that happened eight years ago at the same time that the NFL needs something to distract the public from some notable players joining the class action suit against them.
    You guys are just pawns in this billion dollar industry, unfortunately, so are the Saints.

  65. genericuser8888 says: Apr 23, 2012 9:56 PM

    WWL is the local sports radio talk channel on a.m. radio. Ex-Saints QB Bobby Hebert and his buddies call the game. Many people in Louisiana actually mute their tv’s and listen to WWL during the game because they enjoy Bobby’s commentary more than the television commentators.

    If this is false, and it likely is, I hope the Saints and Loomis sue ESPN into oblivion.

  66. vtopa says: Apr 23, 2012 9:57 PM

    I hope the Saints beat the ESPN lawyers like red headed step children.

  67. genericuser8888 says: Apr 23, 2012 10:04 PM

    Above that @fcs34 thinks that “ESPN would not air this without proof”.

    Sure, and Warren Sapp (NFL Network) wouldn’t accuse Jeremy Shockey of being the snitch without proof either.

    And, Dan Rather and CBS surely wouldn’t falsify documents (the Killian documents) about G.W. Bush’s military service either.

    Yep, major media conglomerates never go to press without evidence.

  68. jayrayb says: Apr 23, 2012 10:19 PM

    Sooo Mickey Loomis heard a play similar to “Ace Right z-Dig x-Shallow” remembered it verbatim, called it over to the coaches, who knew every play in every teams playbook and exactly what that meant due to all teams having the same exact play calling formula, then called the play to counter act that one, all in 30 seconds….

    Which led us to a steallar 9-7 season…

    yeaaaaaaa… makes perfect sense…

  69. whatevnfl says: Apr 23, 2012 11:40 PM

    Just blame it on Rita. She can take a longer paid vacation.

  70. jeffield1 says: Apr 24, 2012 12:39 AM

    A Loomis don’t change its spots…

  71. banjostang says: Apr 24, 2012 12:47 AM

    The NFL is playing hardball to keep the concussion and safety lawsuits out of the news as much as possible try to quietly find a solution for the 1200 pending player lawsuits.

    Throwing the Saints to the wolves again is just good business.

    All the NFL needed to do is have someone send something alleging the 8 year old violation to a DA and then tip off a reporter about the “allegation” in order to create a media frenzy.

    Why would the NFL want this? How many stories do you see about Ray Easterling today? The NFL needed something else in the news cycle to get the Sports media off of that story.

    And it is working brilliantly.

    How many PFT articles on Ray Easterling since his suicide last Thursday? ONE.

    How many PFT articles about an eight year old alleged wiretap in the last 12 hours? SIX and counting.

    You guys are being played

  72. vikingsprimetime says: Apr 24, 2012 1:28 AM

    Hopefully Goodell contracts them from the league tomorrow

  73. silentcount says: Apr 24, 2012 1:57 AM

    The conclusion will show that ESPN has the dumbest legal advisers in the history of the world. The Saints are pissed and they’ll get millions out of this. New Orleans lawyers will look like Drew Brees picking apart a hopeless defense.

  74. deiong says: Apr 24, 2012 4:21 PM

    when they find more proof in the coming weeks months..

    yea i didnt do it.. really, it was the monkey in the backpack, and the pelican… yea thats it..

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