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Goodell on Saints’ bounties: Evidence is clear, players embraced it

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In a hint that the punishment for players involved in the Saints’ bounty scandal will be severe, NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell said that the program was not simply ordered by defensive coordinator Gregg Williams, but celebrated by the players who participated in it.

Goodell told NFL Network’s Rich Eisen in an interview for an upcoming edition of the Rich Eisen Podcast that bounty discipline is coming “soon,” and he dismisses the notion floated by some that the players shouldn’t be punished because they were merely doing what their coach told them to do.

“[The] evidence was clear that the players embraced it,” Goodell said. “I don’t think they are absolved from responsibility.”

More than a month after Goodell announced that he had suspended Williams indefinitely, Saints coach Sean Payton for a year, Saints General Manager Mickey Loomis for eight games and Saints assistant Joe Vitt for six games, Goodell has still not announced the suspensions for the Saints’ players who were involved in the team’s program of bounties over the last three seasons. But the indications are that the announcement could come as soon as today, and that the news won’t be good for the Saints.

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82 Responses to “Goodell on Saints’ bounties: Evidence is clear, players embraced it”
  1. kingbeason52 says: Apr 24, 2012 10:30 AM

    man when it rains it pours..i dont like the Saints..but damn this is getting to ugly..i feel bad for Brees..

  2. medtxpack says: Apr 24, 2012 10:31 AM

    Once again, Drew Brees needs an explanation…

  3. cakemixa says: Apr 24, 2012 10:31 AM

    And what exactly is the “clear” evidence that Saints players embraced it?

  4. bigjdve says: Apr 24, 2012 10:32 AM

    It took him this long to figure that out? Of course they embraced it. As long as it benefited them.

    Now once it didn’t, they are against it.

  5. larryfinfan says: Apr 24, 2012 10:32 AM

    Probably going to release the discipline on Thurs afternoon just before the draft starts…you know, take the public attention off of it…

  6. buccfaninhawkeyecountry says: Apr 24, 2012 10:34 AM

    Who Dat say gonna CHEAT? Dem Saints!

  7. dubaradhandi says: Apr 24, 2012 10:36 AM

    Goodell is the best for NFL. Have to appreciate all his steps to make the game better. It’s surely entertaining compared to 10 years again.

  8. njphin says: Apr 24, 2012 10:37 AM

    Well this whole scandal is sure gunna set you guys back a few years

  9. nolarules says: Apr 24, 2012 10:38 AM

    it is plain to see that the players embraced the system installed by Williams. What futher proof does anyone need than the bloody trail of cart offs that took place over the past three season? I mean, the Saints obviously lead the league in personal fouls and fines imposed by the league. I mean come on, there were cart offs in nearly every game they played in. They were out there to kill their opponents, literally and the proof is in the pudding. And here it is. The fact to support it all: One cart off during a Saints game in the past three years (that player being Reggie Bush while a member of the Saints organization).

    I don’t doubt that the players fully embraced the side betting aspect of this when it came to big plays and big legal hits. Punish them for that. Sure. But the whole bounty angle of them out there to injure just has not facts as presented on the field for the world to see. But certainly don’t let that get in the way of the FACTS everyone would rather see (those with no evidence of players being intentionally hurt for money)

  10. purpleguy says: Apr 24, 2012 10:38 AM

    The draft can’t get here soon enough to start drowning out the continuous stories of the Saints’ sleaziness.

  11. vtopa says: Apr 24, 2012 10:38 AM

    This is news? Give me a break. Goodell hath spoken and everyone is back to salivating over the demise of the Saints. he can “hint” all he wants…let’s see the EVIDENCE Rodger. Until then, get over yourself. I see more stories about this guy than I ever saw about previous commissioners. Methinks the man enjoys the power and the spotlight a bit too much.

  12. sdisme says: Apr 24, 2012 10:38 AM

    Wait… you mean Goodell says he has evidence?

    Guess he just doesn’t want to show it to anybody.

  13. 69jaredallen69 says: Apr 24, 2012 10:39 AM

    Vilma…Enjoy your vacation with Gregg Williams.

  14. dsimp724 says: Apr 24, 2012 10:40 AM

    How soon until the nfl network has the top 100 bounty hits……. Hipocrits id rather read a tebow article than this again

  15. bozosforall says: Apr 24, 2012 10:40 AM

    Patriot players also embraced the cheating in the Spygate scandal…so where were the player suspensions in that case?

    GODall clearly plays favorites in his role as dictator, I mean commissioner, of the NFL.

  16. nice2meetumarco says: Apr 24, 2012 10:40 AM

    I’m sorry Roger, but any so-called evidence you may have is not up to drew brees’s standard and is therefore null and void.

  17. whatnojets says: Apr 24, 2012 10:41 AM

    Supreme Court Justice Goodell will sentence many “Saints” player for their roles in the Bounty-Gate in a matter of hours. Stay tuned for further updates……

  18. AlanSaysYo says: Apr 24, 2012 10:41 AM

    Ridiculous that the players’ punishments have not been announced yet. I’m no Saints fan, but the team has the right to know what its personnel needs will be going into Thursday’s draft, especially after being in limbo for free agency. If making the Saints wait to find out who will be suspended until the last second is part of the team’s punishment, the NFL should state that explicitly.

  19. whatnojets says: Apr 24, 2012 10:43 AM

    Goodell will suspend Pillar Sanders for one year after being arrested.

  20. csmit44 says: Apr 24, 2012 10:44 AM

    So are we actually going to see this evidence?

  21. tatum064 says: Apr 24, 2012 10:44 AM

    I’m wondering if this whole story isn’t just some deflection from the Gulf Ecosystem being damaged by the BP Oil Spill. Some of the Health impacts can include headaches, vomiting, diarrhea, abdominal pains, chest pains, respiratory system damage, skin sensitisation, hypertension, central nervous system depression, neurotoxic effects, cardiac arrhythmia and cardiovascular damage. They are also teratogenic – able to disturb the growth and development of an embryo or fetus – and carcinogenic. – all this can come from shrimps – shrimp are immune compromised.

    Shrimpers are finding shrimp with tumors on their heads, and are seeing this as well as eyeless crabs, crabs with their shells soft instead of hard, full grown crabs that are one-fifth their normal size, clawless crabs, and crabs with shells that don’t have their usual spikes.

    The Bounty story needs investigated, but doesn’t it seem like a misdirection from the BP Oil Spill – which REALLY needs an investigation – f$%k a bounty, this is people’s lives on the line in that area of the Gulf Coast.

  22. macbull says: Apr 24, 2012 10:44 AM

    I think Roger is in for a fight on this one.

    It obvious by the delay in his actions, his case is not as strong as once thought.

    It all depends on whether the punishment fits the alleged crime.

    The players might be guilty of participating in their bosses incentive program but proving why the players felt the need to participate is another issue.

    Let the legal fight begin…

  23. jbcommonsense says: Apr 24, 2012 10:45 AM

    I’m still waiting to hear evidence, film, etc., that any Saints players executed a malevolent hit [with intent to injure] on any NFL player. Without that, even if Saints players called Greg Williams ”Man of the Year,” the league has nothing. A verbal endorsement of the bounty program, while somewhat cowardly, is not quite full participation in it. Many of us are guilty of nodding and telling the boss what he wants to hear.

  24. 69jaredallen69 says: Apr 24, 2012 10:46 AM

    How funny would it be if the evidence showed that Brees was the one holding and dishing out cash…I bet Roger would have to present him the evidence in picture book format as he obviously doesn’t read anything outside of his play book

  25. skittlesareyum says: Apr 24, 2012 10:46 AM

    he dismisses the notion floated by some that the players shouldn’t be punished because they were merely doing what their coach told them to do.

    Wait, I think I’ve heard this defense before…

  26. tkraw33 says: Apr 24, 2012 10:46 AM

    I’d be downright embarrassed right now if I were a Saints fan.

  27. dvdman123 says: Apr 24, 2012 10:48 AM

    Oh my when will Goodell put this all to rest. I mean come on and annouce the suspensions, penalties or whatever and let the Saints move on. We all know the players will appeal them and this won’t get settled for years to come.

  28. moagecu says: Apr 24, 2012 10:48 AM

    Could pending punishment be why NFL randomly up’d the rosters to 90 this year? Saints may need some extra players.

  29. linemanguy74 says: Apr 24, 2012 10:49 AM

    Has anyone drawn a picture a for Bress so he can understand what went on with his team ???

  30. shinnbone says: Apr 24, 2012 10:53 AM

    If there was just a little cloud above Vilma’s in the picture it would say “Did I do good coach Williams…Dat how we do it at da U”

  31. somatg3 says: Apr 24, 2012 10:54 AM

    can someone please give poor drew brees and explanation. or can we please give all the saints d players a ton of airtime so they can lie to our face again and say they knew nothing? we just cant get enough of brees, sharper, porter etc getting on the air and lying to us!

  32. purplepridehasadownside says: Apr 24, 2012 10:54 AM

    this is getting real old…let’s get this over with, now.

  33. bozosforall says: Apr 24, 2012 10:55 AM

    Patriot players also embraced the cheating in the Spygate scandal…so where were the player suspensions in that case?

    GODall clearly plays favorites in his role as dictator, I mean commissioner, of the NFL.

  34. dyims says: Apr 24, 2012 11:08 AM

    It’s hilarious just how jealous that bozosforall is of the Patriots and their organization. He’s still too much of a COWARD to admit what team he supports. Hey bozo (your screenname definitely fits you) go back to hiding under daddy’s skirt. This “story” has nothing to do with the Pats.

  35. sweetwillie66 says: Apr 24, 2012 11:09 AM

    Paying to injure…listening to oppositions play calling…this is like a mixture of the Raiders of the 70s and the Patriots of the 2000s.

  36. clear2me says: Apr 24, 2012 11:10 AM

    @AlanSaysYo, I’m not sure, but I think a lot of the delay in announcing the player suspensions/fines, can be attributed to the Players Association plodding their way through the files while hoping that the whole thing might disappear in the meantime. Rather than showing support for the larger part of their membership who actually had nothing to do with this mess, other than maybe taking a beat down due to the bounties, the Players Association has basically called a time out on this.

  37. jnd666 says: Apr 24, 2012 11:14 AM

    We know that ole Roger is concerned about player health & safety.

    I hope he puts all the fines toward the players suing the NFL for their health effects due to concussions.

    No, he’ll probably use the fine money to fight them in court.

  38. iamwhodat says: Apr 24, 2012 11:16 AM

    Ok if you have the evidence give out the suspensions so the franchise can move on. All of this negativity is really getting to me. Fire Loomis ASAP! Two different coaching staffs and 3 scandals means 3 strikes your out. We have a AWOL heiress to the franchise. I can’t believe my favorite team is a dumpster fire. Its beginning to become harder to see the light at the end of the tunnel, but I still believe in this team. I’m still a Saints fan win, lose, or draw, paper bags and all!

  39. kronix7 says: Apr 24, 2012 11:19 AM

    Tatum thats for your local news to cover.

  40. 4evrnyt says: Apr 24, 2012 11:19 AM

    Saints 8-8 at best. Feel bad for their fans, it truly isn’t their fault but they will suffer the most for this.

  41. whatnojets says: Apr 24, 2012 11:20 AM

    Vilmas sentenced to two years, hard labor!

  42. gmen1987 says: Apr 24, 2012 11:20 AM

    Kudos to Commissioner Goodell for cracking down on the criminal elements of the NFL.

  43. csmit44 says: Apr 24, 2012 11:20 AM

    I’d be downright embarrassed right now if I were a Saints fan.

    Right because we are involved so much in day to day team activities. LOL.

    As a Saints fan, lets see the damn evidence and move on. I don’t think any logical fan will disagree with anything if its actually presented. However, if it was your team would you HONESTLY blindly accept one guy coming out a month later basically saying “yep they agreed….the evidence shows it.” Show it to us and we’ll all move on and cheer our team like we’ve always done.

  44. flannlv says: Apr 24, 2012 11:21 AM

    The players embraced it. Ok, then you won’t have any issue showing the NFLPA the evidence.

  45. 4evrnyt says: Apr 24, 2012 11:23 AM

    @cakemixa
    “And what exactly is the “clear” evidence that Saints players embraced it?”
    —————————————————-
    How about the fact that we’re even talking about it. If the players hadn’t embraced it, it wouldn’t have happened or for as long and we probably never would have heard about it.

  46. kidpresentable says: Apr 24, 2012 11:25 AM

    “And what exactly is the “clear” evidence that Saints players embraced it?”

    How about audio of Anthony Hargrove celebrating saying “Favre is out of the game! Favre is done!”

    That’s enough evidence for me. Screw him and all the Saints. Wait, Hargrove is not on the Saints anymore? Well, what team is he on? The Packers? Crap! That’s my team.

    You know Hargrove was probably just joking. Isn’t getting after the quarterback part of his job? There’s no way this was as bad as Spygate. That nearly destroyed the game! This is one of Goodell’s witch hunts. I’m tired of him ruining the game. Why not just put flags on the QBs?

  47. franktherat96 says: Apr 24, 2012 11:26 AM

    What Evidence. There hasn’t been one bit of evidence shown yet. Goodell says he has evidence and this is the basis for the suspensions, but no evidence has serviced that confirms a bounty system for cart offs, etc. Even the audio that was released recently did not say anything about a bounty.

  48. weepingjebus says: Apr 24, 2012 11:26 AM

    Didn’t players pay into the bounty pools? Didn’t they take payments from the bounty pools? I’m sure the – cough – complete and total cooperation Williams and Payton are now giving the league will make this easy to figure out.

  49. demgoodoleboys says: Apr 24, 2012 11:31 AM

    njphin

    Set us back?!? That’s funny!!

  50. bringbacktheflex says: Apr 24, 2012 11:31 AM

    “they were merely doing what their coach told them to do.”

    Yeah. Right. What moron would buy this explanation. If I wave a C-note in front of a homeless guy and tell him I’ll give it to him if he wacks the guy next to him, well, I can forgive that – the guy is desperate.

    But I wave $1000 in front of a MILLIONAIRE and tell hime to go hurt someone… well, I don’t think “He offered me money” = “told me to go do it” in that case.

  51. wildbillesq says: Apr 24, 2012 11:32 AM

    Maybe Goodell is waiting until after the draft so the Saints can’t compensate for the suspensions in the draft? Just a thought…

  52. annes22 says: Apr 24, 2012 11:32 AM

    G0od, get on with it and then they can all go on vacation together.
    I hope they get a decent punishment, they deserve it.
    The Saints organization should be ashamed of themselves, and now they have internal problems. Maybe if everyone wasn’t “in ” on this, things would be better, now suffer the punishment. Happy 2012 season.

  53. bringbacktheflex says: Apr 24, 2012 11:34 AM

    All this cheating is the way traditionally terrible franchises manage to finally put together some winning seasons. Obviously drafting well, coaching well, playing well, and being better than the other teams are just not enough.

  54. olcap says: Apr 24, 2012 11:37 AM

    nolarules says:
    Apr 24, 2012 10:38 AM

    I don’t doubt that the players fully embraced the side betting aspect of this when it came to big plays and big legal hits. Punish them for that. Sure. But the whole bounty angle of them out there to injure just has not facts as presented on the field for the world to see.
    ———————

    This is about the most ridiculous argument that I’ve seen, over and over and over, regarding this mess the Saints and their coaches got themselves into.

    Look, those of you who think that, because there weren’t a ton of injuries due to the bounties, does NOT mean that they weren’t trying, it just means that the other team’s offense did a good job of protecting their guys. If you think that the absence of a ream of injuries negates you team’s culpability in the bounty scandal, then you are the biggest moron on this planet.

  55. cannonballdookie says: Apr 24, 2012 11:51 AM

    “Clear” evidence? I think he’s the only one who sees it.

  56. daknight93 says: Apr 24, 2012 11:55 AM

    Ginger wants to suspend players with “on field conduct” as his evidence…players will appeal and the drama continues

  57. bucwild05 says: Apr 24, 2012 11:56 AM

    And the first pick of the 2014 Draft, the Saint choose……

    (seeing that they don’t have a 1st round next year)

    Ha ha ha ha.

  58. 4evrnyt says: Apr 24, 2012 11:58 AM

    Look the whole following orders thing didn’t work for the Nazi’s and they actually were just following orders so to think that these millionaires that are hurting people for 10 grand are going to get off because they were simply doing what they were told to do is ludicrous and ignorant.

  59. 4evrnyt says: Apr 24, 2012 12:00 PM

    Those trying to pick a fight with Goodell need to go check back with the NASCAR websites and leave the big boy sports to those with all of our teeth.

  60. kokomike says: Apr 24, 2012 12:02 PM

    Of course, we would love it if Brees not only knew about it, but he helped fund bounties. Who says the only ones who knew about this were on the defense? Don’t you believe that Brees knew everything? His “I need an explanation” comment is the type that guilty people use to deflect attention. Suspend him for one game at least for ignorance.

  61. cowboy88 says: Apr 24, 2012 12:07 PM

    Evidence is clear….Goodell is a tool.

  62. nineroutsider says: Apr 24, 2012 12:10 PM

    I’m still of the opinion that the players should receive lighter punishment due to the fact that it was a coach administered program. Think about, that guy can cut them, can bench them, no one is going to say “no coach I’m not doing this, it’s wrong” and look like a cherry in front of his peers. There is a lot that a coach can do to intimate a player. Vilma should go get 4 games at the very most. Everyone else 1 or 2.

  63. mdd913 says: Apr 24, 2012 12:16 PM

    Roger can *claim* the evidence is there all he wants. But until he actually, you know, SHOWS it, he doesn’t have a leg to stand on.

    Show us the evidence, Mr. Goodell.

  64. bozosforall says: Apr 24, 2012 12:20 PM

    dyims says:
    Apr 24, 2012 11:08 AM
    It’s hilarious just how jealous that bozosforall is of the Patriots and their organization. He’s still too much of a COWARD to admit what team he supports. Hey bozo (your screenname definitely fits you) go back to hiding under daddy’s skirt. This “story” has nothing to do with the Pats.

    __
    Jealousy? New England sports fans talking about others being jealous is a huge joke, given their century-long jealousy of how the New York Yankees have dominated the weak arse Boston Red Sox…and how New Englanders have cried about it for even longer. You got NOTHING, dyanne.

  65. cwmorga says: Apr 24, 2012 12:26 PM

    @bucwild05 says: Apr 24, 2012 11:56 AM

    And the first pick of the 2014 Draft, the Saint choose……

    (seeing that they don’t have a 1st round next year)

    Ha ha ha ha.
    ———————

    I think you might need to check your facts. Goodell didn’t take any first round picks.

    Enjoy your top 5 pick again next year. By then the Bucs will have accepted the Freeman experiment as a failure and can draft another QB.

    Ha ha ha ha.

  66. nolarules says: Apr 24, 2012 12:29 PM

    olcap says:
    Apr 24, 2012 11:37 AM

    If you think that the absence of a ream of injuries negates you team’s culpability in the bounty scandal, then you are the biggest moron on this planet.

    ———————————–
    Well I guess I am just the biggest moron on this planet, D-bag. I would like to see the evidence. Obviously the game tape provides not one instance of proof (your reasoning being for the lack of this type of evidence being that every offense that has faced the Saints in the past three years was so good that they were able to avoid any serious injuries by those evil, knee attacking Saints defenders). I see that you have no use for things like evidence. Allegations are all you need. Some of us morons in the world actually think for ourselves and would like to see the proof. I am sure you are positive of the Saints guilt in the Loomis/ESPN battle. Once again, some facts would be nice to see.

  67. marcinhouston says: Apr 24, 2012 12:37 PM

    The evidence in the Washington Post is clear that the Redskins and Bills also had and lied about bounty programs to injure opposing QBs, but Goodell is not embracing those facts!

  68. raidermike says: Apr 24, 2012 12:40 PM

    Goddell should wait until after the draft to announce the player punishments —– if announced before the draft it would cause the saints scandal to affect all 31 other teams adversely since the saints draft would change if they know they need to draft to backfill positions for suspended players.

    The AINT’S are back !!!!!!

  69. robf2010 says: Apr 24, 2012 12:46 PM

    “Look the whole following orders thing didn’t work for the Nazi’s”

    Would be kind of foolish of them to claim that anyway. Since no one was hurt, it’s pretty clear that they DID NOT follow orders. In fact, that is the only thing we do have evidence of. NO ONE WAS INJURED.

  70. purplegreenandgold says: Apr 24, 2012 12:47 PM

    bucwild05 says:
    Apr 24, 2012 11:56 AM

    And the first pick of the 2014 Draft, the Saint choose……

    (seeing that they don’t have a 1st round next year)

    Ha ha ha ha.
    ==================================
    quite humorous coming from a member of a fan base who were 4 picks away this year. educate me on how a 2nd round pick next year turned into a first.

  71. jigga757 says: Apr 24, 2012 12:48 PM

    spygate was cheating…bounty system is playin dirty…so how can people say the saints was cheating?

  72. bicboi011 says: Apr 24, 2012 12:54 PM

    In court, if you have evidence to submit against a defendant, don’t you have to submit the evidence to the judge, jury, and defendant?

    Just submit the evidence, Roger, and let’s take a look. Oh wait, you’re the prosecutor, judge, and jury…
    Come on, man!

  73. didyoujustsaythatdude says: Apr 24, 2012 1:16 PM

    I guess I am missing something here with regards to people asking to see the evidence. The NFL is under no obligation to show the general public anything. Like it or not the NFL can do what they want without your approval.

  74. moagecu says: Apr 24, 2012 1:19 PM

    bicboi011 says:
    Apr 24, 2012 12:54 PM
    In court, if you have evidence to submit against a defendant, don’t you have to submit the evidence to the judge, jury, and defendant?

    Just submit the evidence, Roger, and let’s take a look. Oh wait, you’re the prosecutor, judge, and jury…
    Come on, man!
    __________

    Too bad this isn’t court, its a business. And they dont have to tell you anything if they don’t want to.

  75. klunge says: Apr 24, 2012 1:31 PM

    robf2010 says:
    Apr 24, 2012 12:46 PM
    “Look the whole following orders thing didn’t work for the Nazi’s”

    Would be kind of foolish of them to claim that anyway. Since no one was hurt, it’s pretty clear that they DID NOT follow orders…
    ————————————————-

    Wrong, it simply means they weren’t talented enough to execute the orders capably. By your logic, the fact that the Nazis don’t rule Europe today is clear evidence that they never tried.

    It’s getting hard to tell lately which of you pro-bounty supporters are just taking any position against Goodell out of hatred, or are just marching with the blind legion of Saint slappies. Haters of justice & accountability, UNITE!!!

  76. mdd913 says: Apr 24, 2012 1:46 PM

    didyoujustsaythatdude says: Apr 24, 2012 1:16 PM

    I guess I am missing something here with regards to people asking to see the evidence. The NFL is under no obligation to show the general public anything. Like it or not the NFL can do what they want without your approval.

    —————————————————————–

    What about the Congressional special committee? Do they have no obligation to show them anything either?

    One way or another, the day is coming when Goodell is going to have to show some concrete evidence that everything has happened that he claims has happened.

  77. moagecu says: Apr 24, 2012 2:02 PM

    jigga757 says:
    Apr 24, 2012 12:48 PM
    spygate was cheating…bounty system is playin dirty…so how can people say the saints was cheating?
    ______

    Last time I checked paying players extra money to injure someone, or for good plays is considered illegal by the NFL, therefore it is cheating…. but nice try.

  78. fusion3450 says: Apr 24, 2012 8:34 PM

    tkraw33 says:
    Apr 24, 2012 10:46 AM
    I’d be downright embarrassed right now if I were a Saints fan.
    ———————-

    no. not at all brother. we are all just as proud as ever. sick of seeing the same hatred from people posting on this site? absolutely. occasionally i see somebody that may have some knowledge. but so many times you can tell that people are not reading into things. just hearing what they want. believe what they want. then run their heads. there are teams i don’t like but never would i wish on them some of the things i have seen from people on here. oh yea..WHO DAT

  79. kodakinvegas says: Apr 24, 2012 9:37 PM

    You know what amazes me, peopledldls total lack of understanding of the TOTAL picture here. Goodell HAS the evidence I’n tons, make NO mistake about it. Here”s the problem, if it’s released publicly it opens a dozen cans of worms, people, senators,congressmen, irs, ttampering, wire-tapping, outside questionsble character funding, and on n on. He’s stalling, trying to let the heat die down. Unlike a court system it is a Private Enterprise and he has NO OBLIGATION WHATSOEVER to release anything to anybody other than to those who violated the dukes of the NFL. cry and scream all you eant, thats just the way it is. It’s a Corporate System owned by individual owner who have ALSO agreed to the terms of the By-Laws.

    With that being said, he’d be a fool to publicly release all they’ve found. They already have senators/congress men seeking sub-comittees. Released information would give the press a hey-day which would be followed by SHARK attorneys. Let’s not forget the NFL is currently under attack. In the court system for MORE than – 1,000 concussion lawsuits. The NFL is a kind of Mafia dreal, kept in house, dealt in house. Too many $$$$$$ to have too many people snooping around. I’n fact, besides dead bodies, bank robberies and hi jacking of tricks, they could’ve taught the Mafia a LOT. These are mukti billionaire owners and multi millionaire players. They dont too many people I’n their business. It’s a well oiled machine boys and they want to keep it that way. They truly dislike (abhor) these nit picking distractions that create a “look at us” atmosphere. You got BOUNTYGATE, you dumb ole DeMaurice Smith protecting the bad guys instead of the targeted good guys. And NOW, NOW you got the Feds looking everybodies butt because of Loomis.

    This is gonna get bigger than the Cincinnati Reds EVER hoped to be. You watch. Why? Big Money draws attention and shines a light on everybody, and evertbodys watching. Evidence, hmeres the problem, yhey got too much of it. How do I know? Because Sean Payton, Loomis, Vitt The Saints owner ALL took their penalties, tucked their lehas between their tails, shut and walked out. Think about that. And in the back ot your heads remember 1,000 plus pending lawsuits. That’s the story boys. Oh, and player penalties will come out around draft time cuz fill help shove bounty gate under the rug. Wrong

  80. kodakinvegas says: Apr 24, 2012 11:05 PM

    I apologise for all of the typos in my earlier post. I didn’t have my glasses on and “thought” I was doing a pretty good job. An hour and a half later I see that I literally embarrassed myself. I promise all of you, I will not let it happen again. No glasses, no posts thank you. Kodak

  81. robf2010 says: Apr 25, 2012 6:51 AM

    Would be kind of foolish of them to claim that anyway. Since no one was hurt, it’s pretty clear that they DID NOT follow orders…
    ————————————————-

    Wrong, it simply means they weren’t talented enough to execute the orders capably. By your logic, the fact that the Nazis don’t rule Europe today is clear evidence that they never tried.
    ————————————————-

    All of those dead people indicate the Nazis tried. Where is the evidence the Saints tried? EVERY single game film has been reviewed during those three years. A handful of fines were issued against Saints players but that can be said of every team in the NFL during the same time. This is not a player safety issue. Never has been. It’s a minor rule violation involving chump change that somehow got personal to Goodell.

  82. olcap says: Apr 25, 2012 12:42 PM

    Would be kind of foolish of them to claim that anyway. Since no one was hurt, it’s pretty clear that they DID NOT follow orders…
    ————————————————-

    Wrong, it simply means they weren’t talented enough to execute the orders capably. By your logic, the fact that the Nazis don’t rule Europe today is clear evidence that they never tried.
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    All of those dead people indicate the Nazis tried. Where is the evidence the Saints tried? EVERY single game film has been reviewed during those three years. A handful of fines were issued against Saints players but that can be said of every team in the NFL during the same time. This is not a player safety issue. Never has been. It’s a minor rule violation involving chump change that somehow got personal to Goodell.
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    There are two kinds of idiot – one who is unable to understand, and one who is unwilling to understand. In which category would you place yourself?

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