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New allegations against Saints must be investigated

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The NFL has a new cheating scandal on its hands, thanks to an ESPN report based on unnamed sources about whom the rest of us know nothing.

What we do know is that the information regarding alleged espionage by G.M. Mickey Loomis has come to light eight years after the fact, and on the heels of a bounty/pay-for-performance scandal that has left the franchise reeling.

Which means there’s no better time than right now for a disgruntled former employee to serve up an ice-cold plate of revenge.

The ESPN-driven report also comes several months after the media giant clumsily compensated for its failure to contribute anything meaningful to the Penn State scandal by stirring up a mess at Syracuse that, to date, has failed to stick.  (On that point, Jason Whitlock recently “did the damn thang.”)  ESPN and its army of reporters also whiffed on the Saints’ bounty scandal, which may have given one or more of the folks who are on the payroll to find stuff like this out an extra incentive to dig up something/anything to suggest that the Saints were doing something/anything else that they shouldn’t have been doing.

Indeed, Donald “Chick” Foret, legal analyst at WWL-TV in New Orleans, claims that ESPN reporter John Barr “had a mission” to find something negative to report about the Saints in the wake of the bounty scandal.  “John Barr, the reporter on April 5 called me asking a lot of questions about the Saints,” Foret said. “Obviously, everyone is piling on as a result of the bounty scandal.  He called me on April 5 and he asked me some really crazy questions, and it was obvious to me that he was looking for dirt on the Saints.  I felt terribly uncomfortable with the conversation.  I reported it to the Saints.”

And so there are many fair questions presented by ESPN’s carefully-worded report, which relies on an unnamed source who may or may not be grinding an axe and who may or may not be factually accurate.  At a time when most fans will be inclined to assume that any negative report about the Saints is true, ESPN has an obligation to do more than drop on the audience the notion that Loomis had the ability to monitor conversations among opposing coaches.  ESPN also needs to explain how that information turned into a tangible strategic edge for the Saints.

Instead, at one point on Tuesday an on-air appearance from John Barr was chased by ESPN’s Bill Polian, who persuasively dismissed the notion that Loomis could in real time transform the things he was hearing to an on-field advantage.

ESPN is now pumping up its story via a column from Mark Kreidler, who claims that the information has value by virtue of the fact that Loomis was in position to capture it.  But Kreidler is badly missing the point.  The gap in logic between Loomis eavesdropping on opposing coaches and those conversations helping the Saints win football games tends to show that the allegations of wiretapping may be entirely false.

Kreidler also grossly overstates the impact of these new allegations, claiming that if the report is true Commissioner Roger Goodell “will be facing the greatest crisis of his tenure.”

Yes, after Spygate and multiple years of labor strife and the potential impact of concussions on the future of the game, 10-year-old allegations of eavesdropping will cause Goodell to lose sleep.

That’s not to say the league should ignore the situation.  The NFL, or someone, needs to investigate the situation, because everyone involved deserves the truth.  If it happened, that needs to be known and publicized, and appropriate consequences should arise.  If it didn’t happen, that needs to be known and publicized, and appropriate consequences should arise.

And so our hope is that, ultimately, we get to the truth.  We think we can handle it.

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63 Responses to “New allegations against Saints must be investigated”
  1. kingbeason52 says: Apr 24, 2012 10:18 AM

    There is no way Saints fans can continue to defend them..I would be pissed if i was spending money on an organization that continues to defy the rules..It ‘s sad to see smart people turn into egotistical manics that think rules dont apply to them..

  2. purpleguy says: Apr 24, 2012 10:19 AM

    Loomis doesn’t have time to respond as he’s busy placing a bounty on the wire tapper while restocking the vicodin cabinet and interviewing the 30 assistants Benson’s grand-daughter has fired in the last 2 years.

  3. unitedstateoftexas says: Apr 24, 2012 10:19 AM

    The main reason I believe that this story has some substance is because a disgruntled employee or someone with an axe to grind would have probably reported this to the commissioners office and not the U.S. Attorney’s Office. By reporting it to the U.S. Attorney you’ve guaranteed yourself to be brought in as a witness if this goes to any sort of trial.

  4. 49erdynasty says: Apr 24, 2012 10:19 AM

    Just fire everyone (including the owner), rename the team and move them to LA.

    Win-Win-Win.

  5. mac3333 says: Apr 24, 2012 10:20 AM

    ESPN is agenda driven journalism. Look no further than the OSU scandal. They threw everything against the wall to see what would stick. All because the “Mothership” was mad @ the Big 10 for starting their own massively profitable network. Money that used to be property of ESPN @ Disney. (Evil Evil corporation)

    Yahoo! is where you go for serious sports journalism. ESPN picks and chooses its battles based upon how the effect the profit margins.

  6. jpeyster says: Apr 24, 2012 10:22 AM

    Remember, the Supre Dome underwent major renovations/repairs after Hurricane Katrina in 2005. Presumably, there was a tremendous amount of electrical work done in an extremely short timeframe. If there is no trace of the evesdropping equipment now, it strikes me that it will be incredibly difficult for either side to prove whether there was evesdropping equipment there 8 years ago. And then we’re left with another he-said-she-said. Is someone hoping to uncover a stray electrician’s bill from 2004?

  7. ghostofnflpresent says: Apr 24, 2012 10:22 AM

    New Orleans Taints

  8. nyyjetsknicks says: Apr 24, 2012 10:24 AM

    unitedstateoftexas says:
    Apr 24, 2012 10:19 AM
    The main reason I believe that this story has some substance is because a disgruntled employee or someone with an axe to grind would have probably reported this to the commissioners office and not the U.S. Attorney’s Office. By reporting it to the U.S. Attorney you’ve guaranteed yourself to be brought in as a witness if this goes to any sort of trial.

    ______________________

    The statute of limitation has passed. Only the NFL can punish them if these allegation are correct.

  9. longdrivesaint says: Apr 24, 2012 10:26 AM

    longdrivesaint says:
    Apr 24, 2012 10:14 AM
    Again a perfect case of “guilty til proven innocent” in the public forum. This is what’s wrong with everything today. Do you people believe everything the media reports? I guess you believe everything in the national enquirer too? Yes I am a long time Saints fan and always will be, but IF this happens to be true and only after a thorough investigation then yes at that point then something should be done and not til then. Not one that is run by a half @#$ commissioner or a staff that has a hard on for this franchise because they were either offended by a Saints employee or had their @#$ handed to them at one time or another. Grow up people and use your mind not your begrudging heart. L earn to think before u speak. NFL forums are posting that ESPN and John Barr has been backtracking all morning beginning with the M&M show saying that Outside the lines were unable to validate the claims. Imagine that!!! Witch hunt plain and simple because someone got their feelings hurt whether it be the media and/or former employee. The media nowadays is a joke and that def includes this website.

  10. 7thlombardiontheway says: Apr 24, 2012 10:27 AM

    “Yahoo! is where you go for serious sports journalism.”

    This was a joke?

  11. musicman495 says: Apr 24, 2012 10:28 AM

    Further proof of what Mike Florio says about John Barr was Barr’s outrageous appearance on this morning’s Mike and Mike show. Barr used that opportunity to buttress his case for the veracity of these Loomis allegations by saying that he has been interviewing dozens of people about Sean Payton, and found that Payton is a vindictive, petty, and overall bad guy. Too bad no one in that interview had the guts to remind Barr that THESE CHARGES HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH SEAN PAYTON since this supposedly happened years before Payton became the Saint’s coach. This whole story stinks to high heaven.

  12. khuxford says: Apr 24, 2012 10:29 AM

    Two things:

    1. Donald “Chick” Foret running to the Saints to let them know someone was asking about them doesn’t seem like what a reporter of any sort should be doing.

    2. That the alleged wiretaps don’t seem to have improved their chances to win is irrelevant and not really something you can demonstrate. Even with the information, you still have to execute. There are downs where everyone in the world knows a team is going to run off tackle to the left and the defense couldn’t stop them for the first down. We don’t know how those games would have turned out without the alleged ill-gotten info.

    I get that you want to slam ESPN for their rush to put this information out from suspect sources, but it is making your argument sloppy.

  13. musicman495 says: Apr 24, 2012 10:30 AM

    49erdynasty says: Apr 24, 2012 10:19 AM

    Just fire everyone (including the owner), rename the team and move them to LA.

    Win-Win-Win.
    ——————————–
    Need we remind you that your former owner was a convicted felon? How about we move the 49ers to LA?

  14. grogansheroes says: Apr 24, 2012 10:32 AM

    Boy, the Saints make the Patriots look like choir boys!

  15. dubaradhandi says: Apr 24, 2012 10:33 AM

    Hmmmm…..now I understand how much the pats fan has to go thru

  16. macbull says: Apr 24, 2012 10:34 AM

    These allegations are serious and it does not matter if they happened 8 yrs ago or 1 yr ago.

    It does not matter if the Saints were “unable” to gain any advantage with the information learned via the wire tap.

    The Saints would have a tough time convincing folks they were just listening to their opponent’s coach, just for the fun of it.

    Even if the Saints claim they never listened in on one conversation over the wiretap, they did not have the wiretap removed.

    This could spread beyond the GM level, going up the chain of command, to include the owner and coaches.

    YES, this investigation must expand and dig deeper to find out the full extent.

    If it is proven that the sports media is stirring an empty pot…they should be sued for damages.

  17. vtopa says: Apr 24, 2012 10:34 AM

    mac3333 says:
    Apr 24, 2012 10:20 AM
    ESPN is agenda driven journalism. Look no further than the OSU scandal. They threw everything against the wall to see what would stick.
    ——————————————–
    I couldn’t have said it better myself. ESPN has become a total joke. They are the sports equivalent of E! Entertainment or Current Affair. So much trash, speculation, and bunk. They get away with it because of deep pockets, yes, but also because there is not a real challenger. FOX Sports or some other network needs to up their game and provide a balance. ESPN has become unwatchable.

  18. rubberinnertube says: Apr 24, 2012 10:35 AM

    Though I will agree wholeheartedly that the whole bounty issue was against league rules, I don’t think it ultimately helped the Saints “cheat” their way to a Superbowl victory. In the same vein, *IF* Loomis was listening in on opposing teams (and whether or not the allegation is true or not, the organization only has itself to blame from its lack of candor on the bounty issue), it probably didn’t provide much, if any competitive advantage. Many have pointed out that Loomis is not the X’s and O’s type. However, even without significant tangible benefit for the Saints, it’s still against NFL rules and the laws of the state of Louisiana.

    Loomis and the Saints deserve their day in court, but the court of public opinion has unfortunately already leaned towards guilt on this accusation. But again, they have no one but themselves to blame for not being forthcoming regarding the bounty investigation. The punishment for lying or covering up is always worse than taking your medicine and admitting up front when you’re in the wrong.

    At first I was disappointed in the Saints behavior around the bounty issue, but now I just feel bad for a team, fans and a community that had come so far, yet is now embroiled in what seems to be scandal after scandal.

    Bounties, the whole vicodin issue, this thing with Loomis…now it’s just sad. I feel terrible for the fans and even worse for the person/people that will be charged with repairing the team’s reputation.

    It’s a shame. Don’t revel too much Saints-haters (which I would generally identify myself as one of you) as this puts a significant black eye on the league in general. Every organization in the league should take this as notice to clean their sh*t up and make sure they don’t open themselves up for the same venom of negative public opinion.

  19. wrathofgodzilla says: Apr 24, 2012 10:35 AM

    This is just getting silly.

  20. hooterdawg says: Apr 24, 2012 10:36 AM

    “The gap in logic between Loomis eavesdropping on opposing coaches and those conversations helping the Saints win football games tends to show that the allegations of wiretapping may be entirely false.”

    Although this site frequently releases stories based upon ‘ unnamed sources’, is it really complaining about the practice? As I understand it, the story is that Loomis was evesdropping because he discovered a way to do it. The story doesn’t state that the evesdropping was effective, but he wouldn’t have tried it unless he felt there was something to be gained. Perhaps the practice was stopped because it wasn’t effective. The same ‘ what good would it do’ argument was proposed in defense of Spygate as well.

  21. thecarline says: Apr 24, 2012 10:37 AM

    If Aaron Brooks puts on a ski-mask, grabs a shotgun and attempts to hold up a Food Bank because he assumed it was a bank with money, he’s still guilty of at least attempted armed robbery.

    I’m not sure why the actual outcome of the action matters for what the intended outcome was.

  22. ErikW65 says: Apr 24, 2012 10:37 AM

    “ESPN also needs to explain how that information turned into a tangible strategic edge for the Saints.”

    No they don’t! They were given information that the Saints broke federal and state eavesdropping laws as well as league rules. They reported that information to the public. Why should they be under any obligation to prove how the Saints gained an advantage from those illegal actions/rule violations?

    The league didn’t prove that the Patriots gained a competitive advantage before fining them. Why is ESPN under more of a burden than the NFL in simply reporting what they found out? Nonsense, Florio.

  23. porterhouse12 says: Apr 24, 2012 10:39 AM

    Drew Brees is still waiting for an explanation!

    I went to Purdue at the same time as Brees and we spoke at a few parties. I was a big fan, but he just needs to shut his mouth. At least he was not there in 02 and shouldn’t weigh in…but probably will and lose a few more fans.

  24. skittlesareyum says: Apr 24, 2012 10:40 AM

    The gap in logic between Loomis eavesdropping on opposing coaches and those conversations helping the Saints win football games tends to show that the allegations of wiretapping may be entirely false.

    Look, I have no idea if these allegations are true, so I won’t comment on that. But it doesn’t take a Mensa winner to see how listening to opposing coaches could give a big advantage. I thought we established this last story when 50% of the posts ripped on Polian.

  25. jivinitrotton says: Apr 24, 2012 10:41 AM

    hahahahahaha i thought NEW eNGLAND WAS THE ONLY TEAM THAT CHEATED? looks like this is part of the game. hate the pats and cant stand the saints but cmon this isnt nothing new. everyteam does this. tell me something i dont no

  26. geauxsaintsforever says: Apr 24, 2012 10:41 AM

    kingbeason52 says:
    Apr 24, 2012 10:18 AM
    There is no way Saints fans can continue to defend them..I would be pissed if i was spending money on an organization that continues to defy the rules..It ‘s sad to see smart people turn into egotistical manics that think rules dont apply to them..

    ____________

    Please don’t speak for us Saints fans – focus on your own team. We certainly can defend Loomis against these ALLEGATIONS. Clearly, ESPN has a separate agenda given that Mr. Barr went digging for a story and decided to rant about Sean Payton’s treatment of the local media on Mike & Mike earlier today. The timing of these allegations stinks – it’s funny how this “source” knew about this for 8 years, but just recently discovered his morals and felt compelled to do something. Way to step up to the plate there. Let’s just go out and win another Super Bowl and shut all these people up. Who Dat!

  27. rubberinnertube says: Apr 24, 2012 10:42 AM

    Also…can we all agree that Mike and Mike in the morning truly sucks?

    To that end, there is very little sports programming outside of the actual televised competitions/games/events that contains any valuable content.

    M&M is a joke. Outside of Sportscenter, which is just wannabe news anchors trying to come up with the next “cool as the other side of the pillow” etc, ESPN just has a plethora of programming where the on screen “talent” simply argues and yells at each other. It’s a damn joke.

    Except, as other posters have noted, for NFL related information, we basically have the NFLN that runs 23 hours of Top Ten: Whatever, and then NFL news that’s reported by the likes of Warren Sapp and that one dude with the HUGE frickin’ ears.

    Sorry, I got on my soap-box again, but my convoluted point is that the true “journalistic” nature of ESPN left long ago and that this point it exists solely to provide shows where people yell at each other and then TMZ-like coverage of sports and athletes during Sportscenter.

  28. zn0rseman says: Apr 24, 2012 10:42 AM

    The gap in logic between Loomis eavesdropping on opposing coaches and those conversations helping the Saints win football games tends to show that the allegations of wiretapping may be entirely false.

    ———————
    Fact: Loomis would not have been eavesdropping on opposing coaches’ conversations if he did t think it would help him win football games.

    So I guess I don’t see the gap in logic that you’re referring to.

  29. 6ball says: Apr 24, 2012 10:43 AM

    .

    Does anyone remember the ESPN daylong coverage of “spygate ” verdict ?

    Remember Mark (box o’ rocks) Schlereth giving a step by step treatise on how the Patriots used the sideline signals (that were in plain view to 60,000 fans) to completely revamp their offensive and defensive game plans at halftime. Hence, your three super bowls.

    Only problem with that theory is that Roger Goodell said it never happened.

    ESPN : the worldwide leader in shooting first ……and not even bothering with the questions.

    .

  30. mac3333 says: Apr 24, 2012 10:46 AM

    “Yahoo! is where you go for serious sports journalism.”

    This was a joke?”

    ____________________________

    Absolutely not. Who broke the OSU scandal @ first? Who broke the Miami scandal? How bout USC?

    Yahoo! might be a joke website but you obviously know JACK SQUAT about the sports reporting going on there.

  31. PFTiswhatitis says: Apr 24, 2012 10:48 AM

    Did Matt Walsh ever work for the Saints?

  32. 49erdynasty says: Apr 24, 2012 10:54 AM

    musicman495 says:
    Apr 24, 2012 10:30 AM
    49erdynasty says: Apr 24, 2012 10:19 AM

    Just fire everyone (including the owner), rename the team and move them to LA.

    Win-Win-Win.
    ——————————–
    Need we remind you that your former owner was a convicted felon? How about we move the 49ers to LA?

    ——————————–

    Notice how he was forced to relinquish ownership of the team? I should also add that Eddie D never put players lives at risk.

  33. GG Eden says: Apr 24, 2012 10:56 AM

    Meanwhile, in Kansas City, they have it all backwards……Scott Pioli eavesdrops on his own head coach lol.

  34. mrpilsner says: Apr 24, 2012 11:02 AM

    @kingbeason52

    you have me thinking about season ticket holders as opposed to “fans” ….

    is there any change in the Saints’ season ticket base?

    if the Bears were doing this I’d seriously reconsider funding what was/is, after all, illegal, immoral, unsportsmanlike and unAmerican activities…. (go ahead and laugh at my words but don’t we all, still, expect those virtues in this “game” we all, presumably, love? ….that each opening kickoff is on a level playing field, unskewed by bounties, wiretaps and illegal videotape? and that the “best” team wins?) I feel strongly that THIS is why the penalties ARE so stern; that the Commissioner would’t laugh at those words…..

    but I suspect no one is going to give up their PSLs/seats over anything as esoteric as “morals” and that the Saints have NOT suffered at the ticket office during the last few months….

    and IF there was any journalism left, we would all know whether the Saints are really taking a hit where it really matters, in their real bottom line…..

  35. homelanddefense says: Apr 24, 2012 11:03 AM

    Wow Florio, you are going out of your way to defend the Saints…..and its making you look foolish.

    The Saints are innocent until proven guilty, but your reporting/defending on this has been shameful.

  36. marima07 says: Apr 24, 2012 11:21 AM

    6ball: “Does anyone remember the ESPN daylong coverage of “spygate ” verdict ?”

    The ESPN ombudsman reported afterward, that because of that debacle, ESPN would change it’s format and do away with those “specials” so that on-air analysts wouldn’t be left in the lurch to speculate for 2 hours while waiting for an announcement.

    That was an example of what unnecessary, overblown and completely speculative ESPN “reporting” looks like.

  37. gmen1987 says: Apr 24, 2012 11:26 AM

    Hey Saints fans, unless you speak out against this behavior of your team, the next time a hurricane (not if, but when) your area, I ain’t donating one penny to help you one bit. Many other people feel the same way.

  38. tigerhawkeye says: Apr 24, 2012 11:36 AM

    First rule of journalism: Never become the story.

  39. imodan says: Apr 24, 2012 11:36 AM

    “rubberinnertube says:Apr 24, 2012 10:42 AM

    Also…can we all agree that Mike and Mike in the morning truly sucks? ”
    No we can’t, I love those two lovable goofs. I find it interesting how Florio is always using ESPN as a source and now blasts them for reporting a serious allegation that came to their attention. Maybe Florio should turn off ESPN and do some real reporting himself, digging up a few nuggets of his own.

  40. mark0226 says: Apr 24, 2012 11:46 AM

    This was back when Haslet was coach and the Saints were 9-7, 8-8, and 8-8. If the allegations are true, it didn’t help them.

  41. catfish252 says: Apr 24, 2012 11:46 AM

    You say the eavesdropping wouldn’t benefit the Saints because of the lack of time between the coaches conversations and when the play started say 10-30 seconds or so, however it would give them a leg up on future games against the same opponents or coaches by giving them an inside look as to their approach/strategy in certain situations. I just hope that there are no legs to this story. I am not a Saints fan but there comes a time when this is just going to make the entire NFL look like there are absolutely no controls place, it also will give some pinhead Senator to decide that the NFL way of doing business needs oversight and we all know what happens when the Feds touch anything. So I am praying that these allegations are unfounded.

  42. olcap says: Apr 24, 2012 11:48 AM

    Mike Florio sez:

    That’s not to say the league should ignore the situation. The NFL, or someone, needs to investigate the situation, because everyone involved deserves the truth.
    ——————

    Uh, weren’t you the one who wrote a piece yesterday, in which you poo-pooed this story as a waste of everyone’s time; that there was no possible benefit for Loomis to do this, etc., etc.? That the league probably SHOULD ignore this, along with everyone else?

    I could almost predict that you’d write another piece soon, that was 180 degrees from what you wrote yesterday, and voila!, here we are.

  43. hooterdawg says: Apr 24, 2012 11:53 AM

    “Only problem with that theory is that Roger Goodell said it never happened.”

    @6ball: Your Pats’ tunnelvision apparently missed the fines and lost draft pick levied by Goodell for the ‘ never happened ‘ Spygate behavior. However, the Pats ( and NFL) were protected by Goodell when he destroyed additional secret tapes that neither the media or NFL fans ever had a chance to review.

  44. nineroutsider says: Apr 24, 2012 11:57 AM

    I don’t know about the rest of you, but ESPN hasn’t shown enough for me to believe this is credible. ESPN nor the Saints deserve the benefit of the doubt so I’m withholding judgement until I see more. How the AG moves forward will say a lot.

    If ESPN is reaching here and ran with a story like this I hope the Saints and the league make them so broke they have to move to a public access channel. If it’s true, the league needs to look at the entire organization and the owner and possible revoke his ownership rights.

    Even though I can’t stand them and they me, I do feel bad for Saints fans. They didn’t ask for any of this and it could have happened to any of us; we don’t decide who owns, runs, or coaches our favorite teams.

  45. nolarules says: Apr 24, 2012 12:00 PM

    The source will be revealed as there will be no hiding behind secrecy. This is not the NFL investigating. This is the feds and the accused has the right to know his accuser. Hopefully for his/her sake, the story checks out. if not, their life is essentially over. Billionaires have lawyers and lots of them. Going to spend the rest of his days in court if even one lie is told in testimony.
    And ESPN’s integrity (cough, cough, the joke it already is: see Syracure story) is on the line. Fishing for a story in the fashion they are being accused of (and are obviously guilty of since we now live in guilt until proven innocent and their past track record of lies and distortions)

  46. greenbay4ever says: Apr 24, 2012 12:03 PM

    Hey longdrivesaint!

    Stop your crying Saints fans. No one is picking on you. Bounty gate is real. Drew Brees is saying he says he not seen any real proof. Are you kidding me?

    The listening device has been confirmed that it exists. The argument is if it was used. Why put it in if your not going to use it. Saint’s fans are not making sense. Don’t redirect your anger to other NFL fans. It should be at the Saints but it seems that the Saints all around don’t know how to accept responsibility. Form the head office to the fans.

    I have lost every last ounce of respect for the Aint’s.

  47. bozosforall says: Apr 24, 2012 12:15 PM

    grogansheroes says:
    Apr 24, 2012 10:32 AM
    Boy, the Saints make the Patriots look like choir boys!

    ___
    Choir boys? You mean all of those Boston boys who the priests molested? I’m guessing that you were one of them, grogan.

  48. bozosforall says: Apr 24, 2012 12:17 PM

    6ball says:
    Apr 24, 2012 10:43 AM
    .

    Does anyone remember the ESPN daylong coverage of “spygate ” verdict ?

    Remember Mark (box o’ rocks) Schlereth giving a step by step treatise on how the Patriots used the sideline signals (that were in plain view to 60,000 fans) to completely revamp their offensive and defensive game plans at halftime. Hence, your three super bowls.

    Only problem with that theory is that Roger Goodell said it never happened.

    ESPN : the worldwide leader in shooting first ……and not even bothering with the questions.

    .

    __
    No one with any sense believes a word that comes out of Roger Goodell’s mouth. His actions (destroying the evidence) spoke far more loudly than anything that he ever said about Spygate.

  49. deathtoromo says: Apr 24, 2012 12:24 PM

    NBC has the loot to become bigger than just the VS network they bought. Most sports fans wish someone would topple ESPN. Their nfl sunday morning show is garbage and their reporters are dueling with each other trying to break stories which is why this crap has come up. NBC, take them down!

  50. mdd913 says: Apr 24, 2012 12:24 PM

    gmen1987 says: Apr 24, 2012 11:26 AM

    Hey Saints fans, unless you speak out against this behavior of your team, the next time a hurricane (not if, but when) your area, I ain’t donating one penny to help you one bit. Many other people feel the same way.

    —————————————————————

    If you were the kind of person inclined to donate money for humanitarian aid, you wouldn’t base your decisions based on disliking the sports teams of that region.

    Just remember that when another airplane hits another one of your buildings, Louisianans will be among the first to respond, just as they were after 9/11, regardless of your petty asinine bullcrap.

    Now go jump off a bridge.

  51. emperorzero says: Apr 24, 2012 12:24 PM

    The real story to all of this as the one poster said (sorry, Dude forgot your name) is that the Saints possibly broke federal wiretapping laws. But, the Saints are innocent until proven guilty, and Payton being a jackwagon to local journalists does not constitute proof of anything.

    Now, I use to think ESPN was aimed at 12 year olds with their journalistic ability, but I think now ESPN’s news division is more suitable for Pre-K. As an example, I don’t watch the NBA, but listening to ESPN I thought the Lakers were a lottery team only to look at the standings to find out they are the 3 seed in the West. They are much more interested in creating the news than in reporting it.

  52. mogogo1 says: Apr 24, 2012 12:31 PM

    “Bill Polian, who persuasively dismissed the notion that Loomis could in real time transform the things he was hearing to an on-field advantage.”

    They play divisional opponents twice a year, every year, so they’d have plenty of use for the information even if they couldn’t utilize it in real time. By Polian’s logic, Spygate should never have been punished because the Pats coaches weren’t there at the time of the filming.

    And Florio is dead wrong that this wouldn’t be an incredible challenge to Goodell if these new allegations were to be proven true. A top team revealed to have been cheating on multiple fronts spanning a decade with the GM spearheading it? That’d be totally unprecedented and a huge blow to the league’s image, let alone the damage to the Saints. You’d be talking about a lifetime ban for Loomis and punishments against the Saints unlike anything seen in league history.

  53. patriotinvasion says: Apr 24, 2012 12:35 PM

    @bozo
    What evidence did he destroy? Do you not remember the press conference the league held after meeting with Matt Walsh when they had a monitor running a loop of all the tapes he had?

    Signals, scoreboard, cheerleaders, crowd, cheerleaders, and signals. The same signals that every last one of the 70,000 people in the stadium could also see. Not sure what else you think are on tapes…Matt Walsh showed the whole world there’s not much to see…get over it

  54. hairpie says: Apr 24, 2012 12:38 PM

    And now we are starting to see why Goddell burned the Spygate tapes after leaking them to his wife. There is a whole lotta cheating going on in this league and it isnt just 1 or 2 teams…..

  55. effedinLA says: Apr 24, 2012 12:41 PM

    mark0226 says:
    Apr 24, 2012 11:46 AM
    This was back when Haslet was coach and the Saints were 9-7, 8-8, and 8-8. If the allegations are true, it didn’t help them.
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    They were only about a 5 win team back then. I think it nearly doubled their wins! You will hear about this crap for a decade or more now Taints fans! Enjoy it! The Patriots are now off the clock for Spy Gate as that was nothing compared to this crooked organization. I can not root for the Saints ever again. Only if you move the team and change the name. Then, maybe, it will take a few more years after that.

  56. itsdaweasel says: Apr 24, 2012 12:46 PM

    unitedstateof texas

    The main reason I believe that this story has some substance is because a disgruntled employee or someone with an axe to grind would have probably reported this to the commissioners office and not the U.S. Attorney’s Office.

    Try being a little more informed. It was Barr (the ESPN reporter) who reported it to the U.S. Attorney’s Office of Jim Letten in New Orleans. He was “extremely” careful in the wording he used in the report. “Alledgedly” this, “alledgedly” that – no names, just an accusation.

  57. j0esixpack says: Apr 24, 2012 12:57 PM

    Spygate was more about Belichick trying to show that he was smarter than Goodell – not about filming signals.

    Signal filming is allowed by the NFL to this day – but the camera must be in the stands – not the sidelines per a 2006 memo that said that gameday use from sideline cameras would from thereon be prohibited.

    Belichick took the memo literally and, knowing anyone would be unable to view, review, analyze and interpret cryptic signal calling during halftime, intended to use the films for post-game analysis to help in future games.

    Goodell does not like it when someone outsmarts him – hence the fines and penalties.

    In this case the allegation is totally different involving non-NFL sanctioned illegal wire taps. So its VERY different than what transpired in Spygatge.

  58. xxwhodatxx says: Apr 24, 2012 12:59 PM

    gmen1987 says:
    Apr 24, 2012 11:26 AM
    Hey Saints fans, unless you speak out against this behavior of your team, the next time a hurricane (not if, but when) your area, I ain’t donating one penny to help you one bit. Many other people feel the same way.

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    Ok so the next time terrorists decide to fly planes up your a$$ I guess I won’t be donating to help. See I can do that too.

  59. uksaintsfan says: Apr 24, 2012 1:00 PM

    Living across the pond, I rely on news information on the various web sites like this one, Sky Sprots, NFL.com etc. But why is it, virtually every post I read with anything concerning the Saints is from (unnamed sources). Any information from unnamed sources is purely speculation, unless proof is supplied. If proof is supplied, why doesn’t the supplier have the b***s to admit who he or she is and confront the people concerned.
    I understand that media outlets have to have material which they can publish, in order to keep the reader interested, but come on, lets stick to reality and facts, and stop thinking things up for the sake of it. I’m positive Mike Florio would not appreciate it if he was the subject of a witch hunt and was being bombarded with unstubstanciated clap-trap.

  60. wholelottacrazygoingon says: Apr 24, 2012 1:41 PM

    I love how Florio beats the drum of “no harm no foul” for Loomis in this case (i.e. there is no demonstrable advantage gained from eavesdropping so what’s the big deal?) but fails to do so regarding the bounties (i.e. there is no evidence of increased injuries caused by the Saints or increased personal fouls which might demonstrate intent to harm but “GET ‘EM!!!”).

    Bravo.

  61. musicman495 says: Apr 24, 2012 2:02 PM

    ErikW65 says: Apr 24, 2012 10:37 AM

    “ESPN also needs to explain how that information turned into a tangible strategic edge for the Saints.”

    No they don’t! They were given information that the Saints broke federal and state eavesdropping laws as well as league rules.
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    No they weren’t. ESPN was given information that someone told the US Attorney that the Saints broke federal and state eavesdropping laws as well as league rules, and the US Attorney is investigating. As Steve Czaban said this morning, know how many tips the US Attorney gets every day? Let’s see if the US Attorney finds there is any truth to these allegations. And if not, let’s see whether John Barr gets fired and ESPN gets sued.

  62. cslowe says: Apr 24, 2012 4:03 PM

    I read Kreidler’s report and he does make a significant point. I mean, I’m sure Loomis can read and write as a GM of an NFL football team. Therefore writing down coded play calls can be used as a competitive advantage by descimination of information. C’mon Florio, this is National Inquirer stuff. Saints fans break out the brown paper bags, sissors, and sharpies.

  63. drdrumlord says: Apr 24, 2012 7:12 PM

    The New Orleans Sinners new chant ” we didnt do dat ! “

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