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Polian says he believes Loomis

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One of the now-departed Rosenthal’s lasting contributions to PFT (he ain’t dead, he just doesn’t work here anymore) comes from a term he coined.

“ESPN-on-ESPN crime.”

It refers (for those of you who actually need an explanation . . . then again, based on the quality of some of the comments that could be a larger demographic than I realize) to conflicting reports and/or opinions from two or more of the many talking heads employed by the four-letter network based in Bristol.  And, for the first time ever, the term “ESPN-on-ESPN crime” can be trotted out in connection with a report that, if true, represents an actual crime.

On Monday, right after ESPN’s John Barr was touting the new allegations of eight-year-old eavesdropping by Saints G.M. Mickey Loomis, ESPN’s Bill Polian explained that the suggestion that Loomis was listening to opposing coaches and somehow transforming it into a tangible benefit made no sense.

On Tuesday, Polian explained on ESPN that he has since spoken to Loomis, and Polian offered an opinion on whether the report is accurate.  “It was a friendly conversation and in the interest of full disclosure, we are friends,” Polian said.  “Bottom line, he told me that he never listened to any communication of any kind in his booth, other than the commercial radio broadcast, which is very common for most General Managers or assistant General Managers.”

Asked by the host (sorry, the names and faces blend together), “And you believe him?”

“I do,” Polian said.

In other words, Polian doesn’t believe John Barr’s source.  Which means Polian doesn’t believe that Barr’s report is credible.

Which means that ESPN has a bit of a problem right now.

“There’s a huge piece missing here for me,” Polian said.  “I can’t see how they could have gotten information that would have been of use to them.”

Barr’s report doesn’t attempt to explain how Loomis would have turned the information into something that would have benefited the team.  Barr and/or his editors easily could have asked Polian (or other current and former General Managers) to explain how the information could, or couldn’t, have been used.  Barr and/or his editors easily could have asked former NFL coach and executive (and current ESPN employee) Bill Parcells for information regarding the potential uses by a G.M. or intercepted conversations among a coaching staff.

They didn’t.  And so until Barr or someone else at ESPN properly refutes Polian’s doubts with an unequivocal explanation from a coach or a G.M. (and ESPN has plenty of them on the payroll) regarding a specific manner in which the information allegedly harvested by Loomis could have been used to the benefit of the Saints, a dark cloud will remain over the dark cloud that Barr has tried to wedge among the dark clouds already hovering over the Saints organization.

Finally, we don’t want to hear (again), “Of course they had a use for it or they wouldn’t have done it.”  The fact that there was no apparent use for the information directly undermines the credibility of the report, which apparently comes from a disgruntled employee who for unknown reasons squatted on the information for nearly a decade.

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  1. medtxpack says: Apr 24, 2012 1:46 PM

    cant wait for the draft!

  2. pftcensorssuck says: Apr 24, 2012 1:50 PM

    Well then, that settles it.

    I mean, who’s more credible than Bill Polian????

  3. jenniferxxx says: Apr 24, 2012 1:53 PM

    Polian is like a quote machine. Doesn’t he ever shut up? Is there no topic he won’t weigh in on?

  4. crp63 says: Apr 24, 2012 1:54 PM

    If I’m the Saints, I’d Jeremy Shockey ESPN’s ass….

  5. drunkenjunk says: Apr 24, 2012 1:55 PM

    oh florio, you got you’re dumb audience on that one. You’re so clever and smart.

  6. lombarditrophies says: Apr 24, 2012 1:55 PM

    Did you even stop to think that information gained might be useful not for the current game but instead for future game plans?? If the Saints could steal communications in the home game against the bucs for instance, then they could pair that information with film study and use it to develop a more effective game plan for the upcoming away contest against the Bucs later that same season or in the playoffs.

    Of course they had a use for it or they wouldn’t have done it.

  7. genericuser8888 says: Apr 24, 2012 1:56 PM

    So, this report comes from a “disgruntled former employee”.

    That’s exactly how the bounty case got re-opened. It’s been widely reported that the “snitch” was a former employee. I won’t name names, but it’s out there if you look.

    I’m not sure that disgruntled employees are the best sources of reliable information. But, it seems good enough for Goodell, so maybe Loomis should get ready for a season long ban.

  8. purpleguy says: Apr 24, 2012 2:00 PM

    What’s with all the Polian opinions? Is this guy on some sort of continuous CNBC live newsfeed or something?

  9. geauxsaintsforever says: Apr 24, 2012 2:00 PM

    “…who for unknown reasons squatted on the information for nearly a decade.” That’s the key point here – it’s obvious the “source” has an axe to grind, and with Bountygate as a backdrop, figured this was his/her opportunity to fabricate a story that everyone is likely to believe (rather than believe the Saints). I’m waiting for the news to hit tomorrow that Loomis, Payton, and let’s just throw some assistants in for good measure are ultimately responsible for the BP oil spill and global warming. Who Dat!

  10. biggierob says: Apr 24, 2012 2:03 PM

    I watched the segment earlier with Bill Polian, it was interested that they trotted out Jerry Rice to awkwardly say that Loomis could have used the info and should be punished in the next segment.

  11. kathyisintheroom says: Apr 24, 2012 2:03 PM

    I don’t believe a damn thing coming from ESPN

    They only “report” what serves their interest.

    Piling on the saints is the flavor of the month and ESPN, and PARR specifically just wants some headline time.
    If Belicheat wasn’t suspended then……
    Loomis should not be disciplined
    Payton should not be disciplined
    The organization should not be disciplined
    Vitt should not be disciplined
    and no players should be disciplined.

    I have heard High School coaches rant much more serious things than williams say. This is football folks. My gosh Gestapo Goodell has put more dresses on Tom Brady than i have in my closets(plural)

    However, all the haters that keep making assinine comments like the “Saints title is tainted” or, “none of Brees records count” need to be disciplined…….
    One month banishment from posting ridiculous comments.

  12. babyhorsemorgan says: Apr 24, 2012 2:04 PM

    Oh Gawd….I miss that kid….sob….

  13. frankecharms says: Apr 24, 2012 2:04 PM

    In this situation who would take Polian seriously? You kidding? Like he is going to rat out his pal. This is how all the ex players were talking at the start of the other Aints scandal until it blew up.

  14. alexk49 says: Apr 24, 2012 2:05 PM

    I agree listening to playcalls during active drives would provide minimal benefit, but what about during stoppage of play situations (time-outs, injuries, etc)? All the so-called experts seem to be ignoring this. I’ve obviously never listened to coaches communicate in-game, but I’m guessing there would be high-level discussions like, “let’s blitz or let’s air it out or let’s pound the rock, etc…” as coaches get ready to call the next play. That would seem like a nice thing to overhear. I’d like to hear the analyst’s take on this…

  15. blacknole08 says: Apr 24, 2012 2:05 PM

    Polian sounds like a guy just looking out for his friend. Nothing wrong with that but Loomis can’t be trusted. And if ESPN takes issue with an employer disagreeing with a report that another employer reports (ESPN-on-ESPN crime as Polian puts it), they should just fire whoever is wrong in this situation (Barr or Polian).

  16. rtbragg5 says: Apr 24, 2012 2:05 PM

    Polian shut up. Straight to the media when you HATED the media as a GM. Guess you gotta pay your son though.

  17. lightcleric says: Apr 24, 2012 2:05 PM

    No way, when has ESPN EVER overblown something to get attention?

  18. satanphoenix says: Apr 24, 2012 2:08 PM

    Their is a long term use for this stuff. How a team ticks. Player information. etc etc. Football is like war and if you asked a military intelligence officer if he’d like to listen on the booth conversations of an enemy he’d certainly say yes.

  19. packerswambulance says: Apr 24, 2012 2:13 PM

    Of course there is something to be gained by hearing that stuff. Why else do the coaches cover their face when they’re calling the plays.
    After Bountygate the NFL does not need any more cheating scandal.
    Take away the Superbowl trophy and put an asterisk in the books.

  20. homelanddefense says: Apr 24, 2012 2:15 PM

    kathyisintheroom says: Apr 24, 2012 2:03 PM

    I don’t believe a damn thing coming from ESPN

    They only “report” what serves their interest.

    Piling on the saints is the flavor of the month and ESPN, and PARR specifically just wants some headline time.
    If Belicheat wasn’t suspended then……
    Loomis should not be disciplined
    Payton should not be disciplined
    The organization should not be disciplined
    Vitt should not be disciplined
    and no players should be disciplined.

    I have heard High School coaches rant much more serious things than williams say. This is football folks. My gosh Gestapo Goodell has put more dresses on Tom Brady than i have in my closets(plural)

    However, all the haters that keep making assinine comments like the “Saints title is tainted” or, “none of Brees records count” need to be disciplined…….
    One month banishment from posting ridiculous comments.

    ____________________________

    So because BB wasnt suspended the Saints shouldnt be disciplined? Where is the logic in that? BB WAS fined, the team was fined, the team also lost a 1st round pick. The Saints at worse should get what the Pats got.

    The comments about the Saints title being tainted is asinine though, you are right about that. But then again I also felt that way about the comments about the pats titles.

  21. benberger says: Apr 24, 2012 2:16 PM

    Boy I beat Belichick wished he had friends like Polian and Florio…actually probably not.

  22. j0esixpack says: Apr 24, 2012 2:17 PM

    Can we just get back to talking about important matters like who the Raiders will take with their first pick in the draft?

    There’s not much time between now and Sunday.

  23. ningenito78 says: Apr 24, 2012 2:20 PM

    genericuser8888- you ‘won’t name names’ why? To uphold the journalistic integrity of your posts in a comment section on a website?

  24. j0esixpack says: Apr 24, 2012 2:21 PM

    While I think this is another instance in which ESPN rushes to issue a story they haven’t bothered to confirm or fact check I think its laughable to assert that a GM wouldn’t be able to pass along anything helpful if he heard coaches discussing strategy in the locker room.

    Seriously folks – the JANITOR could pass along helpful information if he overheard coaches discussing strategy.

    The notion that an NFL GM would have been flummoxed by coaching terminology just doesn’t hold water.

  25. xtb3 says: Apr 24, 2012 2:29 PM

    In 2000 playoffs there were many rumors out tere on ESPN and te media that alledged Giants had stolen radio signals to Eagles QB during their playoff meeting. Eventually being written off as unproven.

    Well in te year 2000 Giants NFC title win, none oter tan Sean Payton worked for the Giants. Coincidence?

  26. larryfinfan says: Apr 24, 2012 2:31 PM

    Two things, I don’t know what is so terribly wrong about one analyst believing or not believing another analyst or his/her sources. Polian has a personal connection with Loomis and believes Loomis over whoever is the source of the allegations. The thing is, analysts are allowed, in my book, to disagree with each other. Polian didn’t call our Barr, in so many words, he simply stated he talked with his friend and believes his friend over whoever…

    Second, the fact is, if Loomis were listening to opposing teams, whether or not he could decipher that information is immaterial. He was breaking the law and the rules of the NFL. As you have already pointed out, the statue of limitations probably has expired on the state and federal laws that would have been broken, but the rules of the NFL he is still responsible to. It’s like beating a dead horse to death, because in reality, Loomis has no recourse to the punishment handed out by the commish, unlike the federal laws/state laws that may have been broken. The league needs to get to the bottom of this, and act accordingly…

  27. caseyanthonymunoz says: Apr 24, 2012 2:34 PM

    Great. So the GM who used to illegally pump recorded crowd noise into his team’s dome when their opponents were offense believes a proven liar like Loomis. Couple of dirtbags.

  28. larryfinfan says: Apr 24, 2012 2:39 PM

    Seriously all the Saints fans think about this. It has nothing to do with the current allegations. It has to do with your GM possibly breaking state, federal and NFL rules. It doesn’t matter whether he could have used the info gather. It doesn’t matter that it occurred 10 yrs ago. What does matter is that he allegedly broke the rules… It isn’t about beating up the Saints or whatever. If I were the NFL, I’d be looking real close on this and if they can’t prove it, fine…say that…however, if they think they have enough proof….???

  29. louisianafootballfan says: Apr 24, 2012 2:46 PM

    I think people are forgetting a few things.
    1. This has nothing to do with Sean Payton. He was employed by the cowboys at the time this allegedly went on.
    2. For all of you talking about a federal investigation, the statute of limitations was 5 years, and therefore, there will be no federal investigation.
    3. No one has said that this equipment was found. The Superdome was completely gutted after Hurricane Katrina, and any evidence as to this listening device would not still be around.
    I love the Saints, but regardless of which team were involved, people need to read all of the facts before making some of these ridiculous posts.

  30. amoses74 says: Apr 24, 2012 2:47 PM

    coming from the guy who piped in crowd noise during opposing offensive series? haha…..funny.

  31. tigger0924 says: Apr 24, 2012 2:58 PM

    Once the league finds out the golden boy Mike Macarthy was the Saints Offensive Coordinator, this story will die.

  32. profootballwalk says: Apr 24, 2012 3:06 PM

    We should have asked Bin Laden’s friends if he was really guilty.

  33. rajbais says: Apr 24, 2012 3:50 PM

    John Barr: hack reporter!!!

    Look at his Pacman Jones story in 2004!!!!!

    Other than Schefter, Mort (somewhat), and Josina Anderson all these ESPN reporters are a disgrace!!!!

  34. upperdecker19 says: Apr 24, 2012 3:54 PM

    We believe Mr. Loomis too, Mr. Polian.

    Regards,
    The O.J. Jury

  35. mark0226 says: Apr 24, 2012 3:56 PM

    If the Saints organization were cheating in this manner, wouldn’t they put the device in the coaches booth, where it would be more useful? How does it help to have the GM listening in on these conversations?

  36. mark0226 says: Apr 24, 2012 4:02 PM

    xtb3 says:
    Well in te year 2000 Giants NFC title win, none oter tan Sean Payton worked for the Giants. Coincidence?

    ===

    Very interesting, but what does that have to do with this story? Sean Payton was working for the Giants in 2002 and for Dallas in 2003 and 2004, when this allegedly occurred in New Orleans.

  37. axespray says: Apr 24, 2012 4:09 PM

    Nope! The Saints beat my team once, they’re guilty…. I want their title revoked and I whant their players punished and their fans to say how great the vikings R!
    skol, I whine alot!

  38. mogogo1 says: Apr 24, 2012 4:21 PM

    Which means that ESPN has a bit of a problem right now.

    “There’s a huge piece missing here for me,” Polian said. “I can’t see how they could have gotten information that would have been of use to them.”
    ________________________

    Their problem is that the all-knowing being known as Bill Polian has weighed in? Based on the fact his buddy (who’s likely facing a lifetime ban if these charges are proven true) says he’s innocent? Oh, and the fact that Polian can’t figure out how eavesdropping on divisional opponents might help out when you play them again later that same season?

    I’m just glad Polian has put this all to rest. The funny thing is, if Loomis always tells Polian the truth, it’s kind of funny that Polian wasn’t the one who broke the bounty story.

  39. bpfpft says: Apr 24, 2012 4:24 PM

    I find it fascinating how Polian and others have come to Loomis defense on this issue which is the exact opposite of what BB was treated like. I remember Bill Cowher & Jimmy Johnson turthfully stating that the practice was commonplace & JJ stating he did it but don’t recall anyone else defending BB. All the unamed sources were “appalled” & stated it was not commonplace.

    What’s going to kill Loomis and the Saints on this is that there is precedent so the NFL is almost obligated to punish him once the FBI and state police in LA are done with their investigation.

  40. predicatepanda says: Apr 24, 2012 4:29 PM

    Interesting dilemma. Not quite sure if I prefer the story to be true or false.

    I think my hatred of ESPN trumps my dislike of the Saints. They’ve already had their comeuppance. It’s ESPN’s turn to be humbled.

  41. bozosforall says: Apr 24, 2012 4:49 PM

    homelanddefense says:
    Apr 24, 2012 2:15 PM
    kathyisintheroom says: Apr 24, 2012 2:03 PM

    I don’t believe a damn thing coming from ESPN

    They only “report” what serves their interest.

    Piling on the saints is the flavor of the month and ESPN, and PARR specifically just wants some headline time.
    If Belicheat wasn’t suspended then……
    Loomis should not be disciplined
    Payton should not be disciplined
    The organization should not be disciplined
    Vitt should not be disciplined
    and no players should be disciplined.

    I have heard High School coaches rant much more serious things than williams say. This is football folks. My gosh Gestapo Goodell has put more dresses on Tom Brady than i have in my closets(plural)

    However, all the haters that keep making assinine comments like the “Saints title is tainted” or, “none of Brees records count” need to be disciplined…….
    One month banishment from posting ridiculous comments.

    ____________________________

    So because BB wasnt suspended the Saints shouldnt be disciplined? Where is the logic in that? BB WAS fined, the team was fined, the team also lost a 1st round pick. The Saints at worse should get what the Pats got.

    The comments about the Saints title being tainted is asinine though, you are right about that. But then again I also felt that way about the comments about the pats titles.

    _
    Leave it to the lame New England fans to minimize what the Saints did. I wonder why. Biggest cheaters in sports are the New England/Boston teams. All three SB titles are tainted by Spygate. Both WS titles by the Red Sox are also tainted by the PED use of Ramirez and Ortiz (both tested positive in 2003). No wonder slimeball New England fans look the other way whenever there is cheating involved.

  42. hairpie says: Apr 24, 2012 6:20 PM

    Explain the logic that the Pats title should be tainted when the last one they won was 05 and the taping location rule wasnt enforced until 07. I still dont get that logic.

  43. Deb says: Apr 24, 2012 6:39 PM

    jenniferxxx says:

    Polian is like a quote machine. Doesn’t he ever shut up? Is there no topic he won’t weigh in on?
    ————————————————

    It blows my mind when people complain about a talking head … talking. No, when people like Bill Polian are employed to share their insights about an industry they know far better than any of us, they’re not likely to shut up. After all, they are being paid to weigh in. :roll:

  44. bozosforall says: Apr 24, 2012 7:12 PM

    hairpie says:
    Apr 24, 2012 6:20 PM
    Explain the logic that the Pats title should be tainted when the last one they won was 05 and the taping location rule wasnt enforced until 07. I still dont get that logic.

    __
    The tapes that Belichick gave up to Goodell ran back as far as 2000.

    http://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=1914&dat=20080214&id=fT8pAAAAIBAJ&sjid=I2YFAAAAIBAJ&pg=2778,1918836

    Wouldn’t expect a typical idiot Pats fan to know that though, since you are all still in denial about Belichick’s cheating.

  45. hairpie says: Apr 24, 2012 7:56 PM

    bozosforall says: Apr 24, 2012 7:12 PM

    hairpie says:
    Apr 24, 2012 6:20 PM
    Explain the logic that the Pats title should be tainted when the last one they won was 05 and the taping location rule wasnt enforced until 07. I still dont get that logic.

    __
    The tapes that Belichick gave up to Goodell ran back as far as 2000.

    http://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=1914&dat=20080214&id=fT8pAAAAIBAJ&sjid=I2YFAAAAIBAJ&pg=2778,1918836

    Wouldn’t expect a typical idiot Pats fan to know that though, since you are all still in denial about Belichick’s cheating

    ———————–
    No ones in denial about anything moron, i asked you to explain the logic of retroactively tainting a championship based on rules that were enforced years after the championships were won. And thank you for helping my point along by admitting Belichick voluntarily gave up the tapes.

    By your logic the 70’s Steeler titles are tainted b/c steroids are illegal now. You must agree with that…

  46. hairpie says: Apr 24, 2012 10:16 PM

    Well, i guess my job is done. Another hater that cant answer simple questions.

  47. Deb says: Apr 24, 2012 10:19 PM

    @hairpie …

    Whoa!! bozosforall isn’t one of ours, so don’t go throwing off on our championships because he’s making his usual obsessive–and incorrect–comments about the Patriots.

    It’s been well-documented that players throughout the league used steroids from the late 60s until they were banned in the late 80s. So you (and everyone else who tries to make that point) should say: “By your logic EVERY Super Bowl title won from the late 60s to the late 80s was tainted because steroids are illegal now.” And all the dimwits that want to talk about the Steelers steroid use in the 70s need to remember that if our championships are tainted, then so are those of the Lombardi Packers, Jets, Chiefs, Landry Cowboys, Dolphins, Madden Raiders, Flores Raiders, Walsh 49ers, Redskins, Bears, and Parcells Giants. It is what it is.

  48. hairpie says: Apr 25, 2012 12:02 AM

    Deb, im agreeing with you. I just had to throw out a ridiculous scenario to try to demonstrate how absurd his comments are. we’re cool! :)

  49. acetw says: Apr 25, 2012 8:13 PM

    larryfinfan says:
    Apr 24, 2012 2:39 PM
    “Seriously all the Saints fans think about this. It has nothing to do with the current allegations. It has to do with your GM possibly breaking state, federal and NFL rules. It doesn’t matter whether he could have used the info gather. It doesn’t matter that it occurred 10 yrs ago.
    What does matter is that he allegedly broke the rules…”

    I’m afraid you’re wrong on that. It doesn’t matter that he allegedly broke the rules, it matters if it’s proven that he did and not a second before. Frankly, I think the odds of this being any more than a nutjob out to try to make a buck off of a manufactured ‘story’ are slim to none, but the State Police will get to the bottom of it regardless.

  50. pawpaw46 says: Apr 25, 2012 8:46 PM

    packerswambulance says:
    Apr 24, 2012 2:13 PM
    Of course there is something to be gained by hearing that stuff. Why else do the coaches cover their face when they’re calling the plays.
    After Bountygate the NFL does not need any more cheating scandal.
    Take away the Superbowl trophy and put an asterisk in the books.

    Would it hurt your feelings too bad if I told you that the current peckers head coach was the offensive coordinator for the Saints when all this “supposedly” took place?Would you believe him if he suddenly grew a set and came out and said this was all BS?

  51. infectorman says: Apr 26, 2012 6:13 PM

    still waiting for BOZO-the-4th graders’ explanation to hairpie….
    crickets….more crickets…

    too busy punching the clown with Rosie Palm….Rosie Palm…Oh Rosie!

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