Report: No NFL action against Saints until legal process is complete

AP

The NFL will let the legal process run its course before deciding on any punishment in relation to allegations that Saints General Manager Mickey Loomis eavesdropped on the communications of coaches on opposing teams.

Mark Maske of the Washington Post reports that the league “generally refrains from acting on an issue” when law enforcement is involved until after that portion of the process is complete. Maske spoke to a source who told him that the league will be following those guidelines in this case. According to the original ESPN report, both the U.S. attorney for the Eastern District of Louisiana and the FBI’s New Orleans office are aware of the charges and the Associated Press reports that a joint task force of Louisiana state police and the FBI are investigating to see if any wiretapping laws were violated.

The Saints and Loomis have come out with strong denials of the allegations, but the ball is rolling on the investigation. That means it will be a while before we know whether there are any legal implications to come.

And that it will be even longer until we know if the league will weigh in.

61 responses to “Report: No NFL action against Saints until legal process is complete

  1. “No NFL action against Saints until legal process is complete”

    That’s a very weird concept!

  2. The NFL can not take action anyway right now because all it is now is a report, no facts or details at this point.

  3. So, I guess we will have another 25 “stories” on this story on this site before it is all over?

  4. last time i remember……. this still is the united states of america!!!!
    but will goodell be as soft as he was for the patriots when spygate was acknowledged???

    my guess NO!!!!!

  5. Remember when the Saints were the feel good story of the year a couple of years ago after Katrina? Boy, has that just done a complete 180 now or what?

  6. Between Barry Bonds, Roger Clemens, Marion Jones and now Mickey Loomis….I can’t think of a bigger waste of tax payer money and gov’t resources. A 6 yr old girl was just kidnapped from her bedroom here in Arizona. Can’t the FBI find her FIRST before worrying about whether some idiot GM overheard an opposing coach call a run play as opposed to a pass play some 10 years ago??? 12/12/12 must be a very real thing if this is what law enforcement is so concerned with. Unreal.

  7. Oh great, Louisiana law enforcement is on the case…just as soon as they finish covering up their own crimes.

  8. Eavesdropping is eavesdropping and it’s illegal. The result is irrelevant to the issue. The fact is they did it, they knew they were doing it, and they did it for a reason.

    Goodell should take the Saints next 3 1st rd picks for this.

  9. This is sort of a great big “Duh” right now.

    No evidence from an anonomous tipster isn’t much for the NFL brass to even comment on. Sounds like a pile on the Saints deal to me.

    And I’m a Vikings fan so there’s no love lost for the Aints to me.

  10. The NFL will not officially act until the leagal process is complete but the public should know very soon what his fate is. If the FBI finds sufficient evidence to charge Loomis, his days in the NFL are numbered.

  11. “According to the original ESPN report, both the U.S. attorney for the Eastern District of Louisiana and the FBI’s New Orleans office are aware of the charges and the Associated Press reports that a joint task force of Louisiana state police and the FBI are investigating to see if any wiretapping laws were violated.”

    What a joke, read that a couple times. The Saints are an absolute embarrassment to the league; they have done a better job of embarrassing the league than any player. Those entities wouldn’t be involved if there weren’t some legitimate evidence…

    We expect some issues with the players, but team coaches and execs???; new low!

  12. So the Saints have to enter the draft likely not knowing which of their players will get suspended, nor for how long. I realize they made their own bed on this one, but that’s ridiculous.

  13. ““No NFL action against Saints until legal process is complete”

    That’s a very weird concept!

    I realize that you were trying to be snarky and all, but this makes sense. Sometimes, as a private organization, the NFL has to enforce its rules (a la BountyGate). Other times, there is an active law enforcement investigation, and the NFL shouldn’t screw it up by getting involved (like here). If there was no law enforcement investigation, then the NFL would investigate on their own.

    Also, remember that “the law” (as applied by the state) is not the same as what a private entity can do. If an employer thinks (not knows, but thinks) you’ve been up to no good, you’re out the door. If the government thinks you’ve been up to no good, then they have to prove it beyond a reasonable doubt.

  14. @lombarditrophies
    The legal process being mentioned is the one carried out by the law enforcements. Basically, the NFL is steering clear of this one.

  15. Good. Coming from a Saints fan, if the Saints were wrong they should be punished accordingly for their foolish actions.

    If they did nothing wrong then ESPN should be barred from being referred to as a sports news/information network and needs to join the ranks of E!, TMZ, and PFT to be put in proper context as a rumor mill and not an actual journalistic organization.

  16. Saints are denying it. Broken record.

    Seriously just fire everyone, force the owner to sell, rebrand the team, and put this abortion of an organization into the past. NFL doesn’t need this crap.

    It is bad enough when players are getting into mischief off the field. But when coaches, owners, and other upper management are engaging in on-field illegal activities it is time to clean house.

  17. As opposed to Ben roethlisberger who was suspended once the legal process concluded no laws were broken… More consistency from the nfl Gestapo!

  18. Holy cow. If this is true, this franchise is about to get cut off at the waste because it will bring into focus whether and to what extent Benson has been in on these shenanigans! Hope they’re the first team to ever get a lifetime ban from the NFL. Classless from the top down….

  19. This sounds like the correct way to handle it. Why should the NFL spend time investigating when the State Police and the FBI will do it.

  20. LOL….they are basing this on what……an ESPN reporter and some x-employee with an axe to grind. The NFL is becoming the laughing stock of professional sports. I never thought I’d say that when you consider MLB and NBA with all their issues. Like I’ve said before all of this junk has happened under Goodell……case closed.

  21. bobhpine says:
    Apr 24, 2012 4:09 PM
    As opposed to Ben roethlisberger who was suspended once the legal process concluded no laws were broken… More consistency from the nfl Gestapo!
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    If i were a Steeler fan, i’d be quiet about that and be happy the NFL looked away while the Rooney’s stepped in and paid everyone off or your QB would be looking at 15-20.

  22. If I were the New Orleans Saints I just go ahead and forfeit the season. It’s very obvious the NFL and others don’t want them to field a team in 2012. This all has become comical in a sad way.

  23. Letting the criminal justice system, which requires proof beyond a reasonable doubt, is a perfectly logical way to proceed and consistent with the Big Ben case. A prosecutor can use discretion in deciding whether a criminal case can be proven at trial. This consideration does not exclude the high possibility of guilt and the situation is the same here. The commish could elect to proceed quickly but that would likely compromise both the investigators and the Saints, with the right against self incrimination at play. Remember O.J. was found not guilty in the criminal case but responsible on the civil, where the burden of proof is lower.

  24. Louisiana officials in charge of investigating?? Remember how they refused federal assistance in the final days before katrina saying they “could handle things on their own”. The Franchise should be revoked.

  25. duece5 says: Apr 24, 2012 3:48 PM

    Time to vacate the 2009 trophy, aints fans, you’ve PERMANANTLY embarassed the shield!

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    LOL, you think Saints fans actually care about your precious “shield”?

    We have been at odds with the NFL since the beginning. Our team has always been treated like the whipping boy…..so you think anything you say is going to register with us?

    Come get your stupid trophy if you want. We’ll make a new one. It’ll have a giant hand with its middle finger sticking straight up in the air.

  26. ilovefoolsball says:Apr 24, 2012 4:06 PM

    Good. Coming from a Saints fan, if the Saints were wrong they should be punished accordingly for their foolish actions.

    If they did nothing wrong then ESPN should be barred from being referred to as a sports news/information network and needs to join the ranks of E!, TMZ, and PFT to be put in proper context as a rumor mill and not an actual journalistic organization.
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    Why? ESPN didn’t start the allegations. In fact before they reported the allegations they confirmed with the U.S. Dept of Justice that they had already received the same allegations. They just reported it; plain and simple. Don’t kill the reporters for reporting what the U.S. Government is investigating just because it affects the sport or team that you are a fan of (or because PFT insinuates that ESPN is at fault).

  27. Not a surprise at all! Pretty classless organization. I feel bad for their decent fans who have stuck with them when this team was awful.

    Move this franchise to L.A. New ownership, new start.

  28. I really cannot understand why people are so eager to slam the Saints organisation for anything and everything without proof. Innocent until proven guilty, has anyone ever heard of that?

    As a Saints fan, I will be the first to admit how embarrassed I am if the allegations are true. But it’s painful to watch the entire country curse the Saints for this new development without any proof whatsoever.

    On a podcast I was listening to earlier, the presenter commented on the public opinion on the Saints by saying that if a rumour emerged of the Saints being behind the Kennedy assassination, the public would swallow it up eagerly. It’s slightly true, unfortunately.

  29. Where has this “anonymous source” been for 8 years? Of course the authorities have to investigate bc it was brought to their attention. When this all ends in no charges being filed ESPN will stand behind the defense that the story was couched and only reported that an allegation was made to the DOJ. Yellow Journalism at its finest (lowest) as the case may be.

  30. saintsfan1111 says:Apr 24, 2012 4:35 PM

    Waste of tax payer money. ESPN should be sued.
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    Hey Taints fan, it’s a Federal crime. Is investigating Federal crimes a waste of taxpayer money? Who dat? That be the FBI knocking on your door.

  31. mdd913 says:
    Apr 24, 2012 4:39 PM
    duece5 says: Apr 24, 2012 3:48 PM

    Time to vacate the 2009 trophy, aints fans, you’ve PERMANANTLY embarassed the shield!

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    LOL, you think Saints fans actually care about your precious “shield”?

    We have been at odds with the NFL since the beginning. Our team has always been treated like the whipping boy…..so you think anything you say is going to register with us?

    Come get your stupid trophy if you want. We’ll make a new one. It’ll have a giant hand with its middle finger sticking straight up in the air.
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    And then while you’re at it, you can form your own league like that nutcase Steeler fan wants to do, and you can both play for that trophy!!

    What is wrong with you people?

  32. jakek2 says:Apr 24, 2012 3:49 PM

    Between Barry Bonds, Roger Clemens, Marion Jones and now Mickey Loomis….I can’t think of a bigger waste of tax payer money and gov’t resources. A 6 yr old girl was just kidnapped from her bedroom here in Arizona. Can’t the FBI find her FIRST before worrying about whether some idiot GM overheard an opposing coach call a run play as opposed to a pass play some 10 years ago??? 12/12/12 must be a very real thing if this is what law enforcement is so concerned with. Unreal.
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    Actually 12/12/12 is a very real thing since it is a date on the calendar. If you’re confused or just out of the loop, and are referring to the rumored Mayan end of the world the date is actually 12/21/12. However, do us all a favor and crawl down into your bunker early on 12/12/12 and give us all some extra oxygen to breath for 19 days.

  33. Rebecca Nurse: [at the hanging] They are witches. They have sinned against God. It is His will.

    Ann Putnam: His will… but where is God’s forgiveness?

    Rebecca Nurse: They have sinned against us.

    Ann Putnam: Then where is your forgiveness?”

  34. dryzzt23 says:
    Apr 24, 2012 3:55 PM
    Eavesdropping is eavesdropping and it’s illegal. The result is irrelevant to the issue. The fact is they did it, they knew they were doing it, and they did it for a reason.

    Goodell should take the Saints next 3 1st rd picks for this.
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    talk about jumping to conclusions, where are the facts in this story, I must have missed them

  35. So this issue is serious if accurate (from a Saints Fan). If it did happen and Loomis isn’t fired, trading my flag in for a team with integrity (prob an oximoron but worth a shot).

    That being said Saints fans, chill with the conspiracy, hater, whipping boy approach. The Bounty stuff is not as uncommon as portrayed but this isn’t ok (if accurate). ESPN, as documented, does have an axe to grind but the court of public opinion is only shaped by the integrity lapse of the Bounty scenario so we have to live with it. By the way, yes someone reported to the US Attorney’s Office in New Orleans but ESPN has been digging prior to that for something to report so perfect storm. Maybe we can be quiet and let this process play out – if it did happen nothing we can say to make it ok, if it didn’t hypocrites who don’t require due process like Barr/ESPN, duece5, bloggersarenotjournalists, theytukrjobs, dryzzt23, etc. will be left to make the case that even though they were exhonerated they really still did it (you know have to be right types). nineroutsider, left you out of the list as your earlier posts today were much more objective, save for this article.

    Others, it doesn’t take much to pile on and likely every person with an axe will grind it now and ESPN isn’t exempt, see Barr’s Payton rant even though he would have been a victim of this and not a particpant. That being said the Saints are taking a much more aggressive approach to its response this time around which implies that they actually do believe they are innocent of this. The fact that the NO FBI/State are looking into it doesn’t require real evidence just a high enough profile.

    Long story short, we certainly accept the gratitude of the other 31 teams. Our screw ups (potential) have done a good job of allowing every other team to do what every they would like and never hit the papers. Man this is painful.

    A Saint is just a sinner who fell down and got up.

    Other

  36. Give it up Vikings fans. It’s pretty sad when you realize the only way you’ll ever get a Lombardi Trophy is when the NFL pries it from the cold, dead hands of the New Orleans Saints.

    If only you were as passionate about keeping your NFL team in your state as you are about dissing the Saints maybe you wouldn’t be losing your team to Los Angeles.

  37. Players get punished asap. But teams get the benefit of any doubt?

    Goodell is not a commissoner, he’s the owner’s employee.

  38. txtuff says:
    Apr 24, 2012 3:47 PM
    The NFL can not take action anyway right now because all it is now is a report, no facts or details at this point.

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    Never stopped them before

  39. Sure hope the FBI and Louisiana state police have good reason to warrant this investigation eight after the fact. Assumed NFL Security–made up of former feds and other law-enforcement types–would check into it. But do these allegations really warrant a taxpayer-funded investigation? Has ESPN made that good a case?

  40. Why investigate something where the statute of limitations has run its course? This whole thing is just weird.

  41. What people seem to be overlooking, is that even though the Saints are denying they listened in on other teams – they have admitted they listened in on their own staff. That’s just as illegal as listening in on another team unless the staff members all knew they were being eavesdropped on and signed a waiver or agreed to it in their contracts.

    Of course, tomorrow they will claim they never did what they admitted to today because that is The Saints Way.

  42. hairpie, no one is saying Ben R. isn’t a jerk and wasn’t guilty, but goodell is a hypocrite sometimes. the law said no charges against Ben, but then goodell said he didnt need the law to render a punishment.

    now goodell says he is going to let the legal system run its course.

    which is it? as commissioner, he should be consistent in his decisions and punishments. unfortunately he isn’t. with Ben, it was an easy decision to punish, but with the saints, I think he is hesitant after bountygate.

  43. @really2011 – Bro, good to see a Saints fan coming out like that. I can respect that post. I admit that I have been trolling a bit, much more interested in stoking the fire than posting my honest opinion, but I let it sneak out once in a while.

    I’m usually not like that, but I didn’t like the disrespect the Saints fans were displaying before and after the 9er/Saints game. After the game very few Saints fans posted a simple ‘good game’ and instead offered up tons of excuses and talked more crap, but your team lost the game.! Go look at my posts after the Giants beat the 9ers, I offer no excuses, the 9ers straight up lost. That’s all I needed from Saints fans, but they cheezed out bro. You talk smack you have to come swallow it the next day if your team doesn’t come through – that’s the rule, if you don’t it is hard to show respect going forward.

    This is coming from a guy who rooted for the Saints after Katrina. Hell my team took 9 years off before last year so it wasn’t like their was a rivalry between the Saints and the 9ers before last year. So anyway I wrote too much crap, but felt like I should get it out there. Even though Saints fans don’t deserve it, I do feel bad that they are getting hosed every which way including up.

  44. @kingcarlbanks says:Apr 24, 2012 9:33 PM

    Do you honestly believe Goodell is going to lift a finger against the one of the fraternity who sign his checks? Get real..
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    Read Eddie DeBartolo’s Wiki page.

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