Willie McGinest on Wes Welker: I don’t like the diva attitude

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Wes Welker is an unsigned free agent who has been designated as the Patriots’ franchise player, and he has said he doesn’t plan to participate in the team’s June minicamp if he hasn’t signed by then. One former Patriot, Willie McGinest, has a problem with that.

I just don’t like the diva attitude,” McGinest said on NFL Network’s Total Access.

McGinest believes that, instead of expecting the Patriots to show him the money, Welker should be thankful that the Patriots have transformed him from a third receiver into a star.

“Let’s keep it real: Prior to the Patriots, this is a guy who played three years, had 96 receptions, never had a 1,000-yard season. So due to, in big part, the Patriots’ offensive system, and Tom Brady, he’s had five years with over 100 catches,” McGinest said. “A big part of that is due to the Patriots.”

And that means, McGinest says, Welker ought to sign the franchise tender and be thankful for it.

“This $9 million-plus that they’re offering is half of his last contract,” McGinest said. “That’s a lot of money. Let’s not forget that they signed Brandon Lloyd, they signed [Anthony Gonzalez], they signed [Deion] Branch back, they got the two tight ends; they have weapons on that offense. So look, Wes, it’s time to take off the leopard-printed cowboy boots, get off the party tour and get back to work. In my 12 years in New England, no matter how big you were, nobody said they weren’t coming to a mandatory minicamp. ”

But that’s where McGinest’s comments fall apart. For starters, the minicamp isn’t mandatory for unsigned players. There’s no such thing as “mandatory” for unsigned players. If you’re not under contract the team can’t tell you what to do.

Secondly, McGinest seems to think the Patriots have enough receivers that they don’t need Welker. But Bill Belichick obviously disagrees, because if the Patriots thought they didn’t need Welker, they’d yank the franchise tag. The Patriots are offering him a guaranteed base salary for this season of more than $9 million because they think he’s worth more than $9 million.

The reality is that Welker could command more on the open market than he’s being offered by the Patriots, and he’s doing what most people would do if offered less money than he knows he’s worth: He’s declining to accept the offer. That doesn’t make him a diva.

127 responses to “Willie McGinest on Wes Welker: I don’t like the diva attitude

  1. With all due respect to Willie, Welker was clearly an up and coming star when the Patriots made the deal to get him.

    Everyone saw that but the Dolphins.

  2. Welker deserves to get paid, just like any CJ or Fitz. I am sure that McGinest never ripped CJ or Fitz, or even Chad Johnson or DJax for having a “diva” like attitude.

    Don’t label Welker like that.

  3. oh willie LEAVE HIM ALONE…

    his antics and foot jokes only got them ousted by the Jets 2 years ago in the playoffs,

    and his jokes and hat only led him to DROPPING a pass that would have sealed a SB… he was getting married soon tho , he had an excuse – …ha

    now NY fans have even more bragging rights on Boston fans,

    x2 in the big game giants won…

  4. That’s rich, Willie McGinest lecturing Wes Welker on being a diva and holding out on a contract.

    Shut up, Willie.

  5. Welker’s been meaning to sign it for weeks now, but the pen keeps slipping out of his hands…

  6. Welker has legit beef, he has produced on the field and wants to be accommodated for it.

    If u ask me Darrelle Revis is the greedy one.

  7. I agree with McGinest. Brady has made Welker. If Welker were traded, he’d be nothing on most other NFL teams. The only teams that Welker would continue to play well are the Packers and Saints.

    I don’t see him being as effective anywhere else because he’s really not that talented per say.

  8. Wes has earned a solid contract. Of all players, Welker has shown far less “Diva” then the majority of other players. I know it’s the Patriots way but damn, pay the guy, he has earned it more than most.

  9. Willie apparently wants to be known for more than just faking injuries at the end of big games now.

  10. Once again, Patriots management is speaking to the media through their former players (ala Bruschi).

  11. While I would usually tend to agree with McGinest. Welker has had a torn ACL which makes me understand his position a bit. I he is arguably the best wide receiver on the team.

  12. I’m okay with Willie McGinest saying this because its exactly what HE did when he played for the Pats. However I more than understand Welker’s decision to hold out, I would too. Also coming back from that ACL injury to leading in the league in receptions the next year is INSANE.

  13. Willie: you made his case for him, “This $9 million-plus that they’re offering is half of his last contract.” Wes badly out played his contract for years. The Patriots made no attempt to pay him his true value and lock him up long term. Wes didn’t care, he kept working his ass off and outplaying that contract (by a mile) and didn’t make a peep. His contract up is now up and he is exerting the small piece of leverage he has at this point. The Patriots will not go out of their way to take care of Welker so he has to use this opportunity to take care of himself.

  14. Yeah Willie! Let him have it! Welker is just a diva. Always out at the nightclubs, getting into fights, marijuana and 6 kids form 6 different women. DIVA!

  15. I think Belichick brainwashes these guys right before the leave the league. It’s almost painful to listen to McGinest, Bruschi or Harrison talk about anything related to the Patriots.

  16. Willie is 100% correct. Wes Welker is a great receiver on the Patriots. That said if he left he would likely get signed to a huge contract to some crap team. Then after he gets 700 yds and 4 TDs his first season. That team would cut him and he would end up back with the Patriots making less than he does now. He needs the Patriots more then they need him. You will see after this season. He will play with the Patriots on the Tag, have a good season. The Patriots still wont offer him the contract he “deserves”. He will go make money somewhere else, the Patriots will go 14-2 without him, and he will get about 700 yds receiving and get cut or traded for a late round pick and restructure his contract

  17. If Brady made Welker, what did Welker, Moss, and the other receivers do for Brady?

    Brady doesn’t win those SBs if he doesn’t have receivers that can catch.

  18. McGinest needs to SHUT UP!

    Anyone else sick of former Patriots players behind the mic? McGinest, Bruschi & Harrison were fine players. Horrible broadcasters though. I wouldn’t take any of the 3’s opinion on pretty much ANYTHING.

  19. Child please. Welker is a Diva? In a world of Brandon Marshalls,Randy Moss,DeSean Jackson,TO,Ocho, etc he picks Welker to brand.

    Not any chance this is ethnic bias peaking out from under the curtain?

    Welker plays for a team I hate, yet I respect his game. He runs across the middle of the field for Gods sake! Something Diva outside receivers would never think of doing due to the risk of getting jacked up by a MLB or FS.

    Put Willy on the NFL Network scrap heap. Call whoever is next on your Sapp replacement list.

  20. Not only do the Patriots want to keep Welker by not rescinding the franchise tag, but they also believed in him enough to send a 2nd and 7th pick to Miami for this guy who was a “3rd receiver” according to that fraud, McGinest.

    McGinest can thank his parents for being a physical freak. That body got him to USC. His physical ability allowed him to be a high draft pick, make a ton of money and UNDERPERFORM for most of his early days with New England. Not until Belichick put HIM in the right system and allow HIM to succeed due to that system, was he anywhere worth where he was drafted.

    Then you have Welker. He’s puny. He’s not fast. He is scrappy and shifty. That does not get you drafted. He walked on in San Diego and was a favorite there. When management didn’t believe in him, he went to Miami and continued as a fan favorite. He fought his way on the field and PRODUCED with JOEY FLIPPIN HARRINGTON. And Gus Frerrotte before that. He was Miami’s lead WR, not a 3rd.

    Welker has EARNED everything he’s ever gotten. He has outperformed any contract he has ever signed.

    Welker is property of New England but he is not under contract. So, like Florio said, he is not under obligation to do anything for the Patriots. He has every right to sit and wait. He’s 30 and is looking for that last long term contract. He knows he’s hurting himself playing on 1 year deals.

    Welker may benefit from the type of offense the Patriots run. But does Julian Edelman make 122 catches next year? Does Deion Branch? Anthony Gonzalez? No.

  21. “Asante’s Welker’s a great player, so it hurts not to have a guy like that. But then again, it’s part of the business of the game. He chose money over championships, and that’s the way it goes sometimes.”

  22. If I were Belichick, I’d have Branch drop by Welker’s house and casually remind him of that time Branch won a SB MVP with Brady throwing to him, left for more money, and disappeared off the face of the Earth. Welker is a great player in his own right, but there’s a valid reason the Patriots don’t have to pay him full market: he’s catching from one of the greatest QBs to ever play the game. It’s kinda priceless.

  23. If this was Randy Moss, TO, Plaxico, Chad Johnson doing the same exact thing, I am positive this web site would not be defending him against the diva comment. McGinest’s point is the patriots have made wes welker into what he is, otherwise, had he stayed in Miami, he likely is either out of the league or a receiver no one has ever heard of. Welker deserves credit too, but the guy is getting $9 million to play football next year for a team that has made him into the player he is. So, Wes, it is time to sign the offer sheet, and get to work.

  24. Oh please, put Welker on any other team and watch him be exposed for what he really is: a good number 3. JoeToronto I’m a Canadian in Toronto too. Pot is somewhat legal here now. You need to stop taking advantage though. Up and coming star? That must be some potent stuff you have there.

  25. Possibly more than any other team the “Patriots Way” is to use a guy up as much as possible and when even the thought of him being a little less effective as the previus year they’ll change him like worn tires on a car with equal emotion about it.

    Not that Welker has shown he’s less effective. But another year of wear and tear on his body brings him one step closer to the end. This is in effect a one year contract. One more year of damage to a steadily deteriorating part of a machine.

    The Patriots, or any NFL team, has no remorse or qualms about changing tires if there is one a little newer and/or cheaper available.

    I’m not a Patriots fan because I have a soul. But I have to respect the way they stay on top.

  26. “Diva” and “NFL Wide Receiver” are interchangeable terms.
    In any event, gotta disagree w/ Willie.
    Jimmy Graham was a 3rd round pick but at seasons end, he won’t deserve less of a contract simply because he plays with a great QB.
    Saw last night that Welker has had 80 more catches over the past 5 seasons than the next closest W.R. (Brandon Marshall).
    80.

  27. This is the business side of the sport. The “they made you” comment was absurd and he should be ashamed. That works two ways Willie! “it takes two to tango”. If he was not talented they know amount of molding would’ve helped. Let’s also not act like BB was doing charity work for Wes when he robbed the Fins blind. It was….wait for it…. A BUSINESS decision! Ta da! Now shut yer piehole McGinest!

  28. Brady made Welker? Brady didn’t do much with Ocho, did he? Welker is the real deal – the Dolphins just didn’t know it. You don’t think Manning or Romo would love to have him? If it was so easy, everyone would do it. Leading the league in receptions over the last five years isn’t an accident.

  29. bigjdve says:
    Apr 25, 2012 11:13 AM
    If Brady made Welker, what did Welker, Moss, and the other receivers do for Brady?

    Brady doesn’t win those SBs if he doesn’t have receivers that can catch.

    ———————————–

    Actually with Welker and Moss, they lost the SB. They won with WR’s like Troy Brown, David Patten, Deion Branch, David Givens, etc.

    I understand Welker wants a long term contract and I can also see McGinest’s point (although Diva is a strong word). But I am sure nothing has been really talked about Welker’s contract since everyone is in draft mode. Once the draft is completed, I would think the Pats and Welker would talk.

  30. These ex-Patriots who think they played for a model organization are really starting to annoy me.

    Welker is essentially a free agent, therefore, he can do what he wants.

  31. Does anybody else get sick and tired of the song and dance that is “you should feel honored that you play for the Patriots so you should be underpaid?” I’m not a hater (I actually secretly route for these guys a little) but there is nobody on this earth that wouldn’t try to get the most money that they can from their job, especially considering one play can end your career. If the guy wants to get paid, he deserves it. He is arguably the second best player on that team.

  32. .

    Welker has a franchise tender of 9.4 million for 2012. He can sign it, or not sign it. He can report to minicamp, or not.

    This is between the Patriots and Welker. If he chooses not to report, the Patriots will have to survive with what they’ve got.

    This is still America, right?
    .

  33. The reason why the Patriots are good is because they don’t pay guys like this. He is going to be 31 for the 2012 season while making 9 million. Then they are going to have the option to sign a 32 year old WR to a long term big money deal. History says and mark my words THE PATRIOTS WONT PAY him. Then like I said he will go somewhere else make huge money and get about 700 yds. At that point a team will have a 33 year old WR likely making 6 to 7 million per year. The Patriots don’t want to be that team and will be 14-2 without him. Or perhaps with him after he gets cut and signs with them for a little over a million a year.

  34. When I think of “divas” in the NFL, Wes Welker isn’t anywhere on the list. Shut up, Willie.

  35. Belichick is a great dude. I bet if he hadn’t been a coach he would have been a cult leader. Because how can you explain all these ex-Pats contorting themselves to side with Bill and the Patriots? When the Patriots were “making” Welker as McGinest implies, I believe all the TDs and YACs Welker racked up all went towards helping the Patriots win. So if anyone should be grateful, it ought to be both parties.

  36. Hey if he’s that convinced it’s all him then go sign somewhere else. That will show the Patriots !!

  37. bigjdve says:
    Apr 25, 2012 11:13 AM
    If Brady made Welker, what did Welker, Moss, and the other receivers do for Brady?

    Brady doesn’t win those SBs if he doesn’t have receivers that can catch.

    __
    Brady doesn’t get those rings without the defense winning those SBs. Let’s give credit where it’s really due.

  38. What I hate is the “Patriot Way” which is lowball and disregard anyone other than Brady and Belichick and have everyone talk about how you are the classiest organization in the league.

    I pray that Welker sees the light and leaves New England to flourish somewhere else while Brady struggles without having his key target to throw to. I think I’d really be a fan of Welker if he played on almost any other team.

  39. Willie, Welker had 67 balls with Miami in 2006!!!!

    His QB’s were an interception-prone, triple-knee ligament torn Daunte Culpepper, “Miss Cleo” Lemon, and Joey Harrington!!!

    Plus, he was Matt Cassel’s fav target in 2008!!!

    Where’s Cassel at now???

    McGinest seems like a good dude, but he needs to chill!!!! He played with Braylon Edwards and Wes is a diva???

  40. Brady made Welker? Brady didn’t do much with Ocho, did he?
    —————————————

    Well, this is absurd.
    Plenty of credit due to Wes but c’mon. One season with a guy who clearly didn’t learn the playbook, that’s your “go to?”

  41. Love you Willie, but you’re way out of line here.

    Welker is still the same guy who 2 years ago said he didn’t deserve a long term contract deal after under-performing in 2010 coming off an ACL injury. He responded by ramping his game back up with a career season in 2011. Furthermore he’s the same guy who fought his way back from a late season ACL tear that would have ended a lesser player’s career. He’s been a humble guy and a good teammate who never complains about the beating he takes on a game to game basis.

  42. The truth is, this is the Patriots Way. I have never liked how they treat their veterans but they do it to everyone. I think Wes is worth more than a 1yr/9mil contract. And I also think Tom Brady has augmented his stats. But Willie, you need to somewhere and sit you @ss down!!

  43. Willie speaks some truth here, but those words would have more weight if they weren’t said by a guy who left NE for Cleveland’s money only to retire before the Jet landed.

  44. Welker’s not a diva. Trying dealing with Burress, and now Wallace. Not to forget Moss, and Owens. What is with some wide receivers attitudes? At least Welker’s got the guts not to short arm in traffic. Hell he makes his living in the middle of the field, where others fear to tread. I have a lot of respect for Welker. I just hate the Patriots is all.

  45. If Brady made Welker, what did Welker, Moss, and the other receivers do for Brady?

    Brady doesn’t win those SBs if he doesn’t have receivers that can catch.

    When Brady won those SB what name receivers did he have? Branch? Troy Brown? Brady won more with less talent. And Wes holding out doesnt change the way patriots move forward look at Logan Mankins.

  46. bigjdve says:
    Apr 25, 2012 11:13 AM
    If Brady made Welker, what did Welker, Moss, and the other receivers do for Brady?

    Brady doesn’t win those SBs if he doesn’t have receivers that can catch.

    ——————————————————
    Welker has exactly the same amount of Superbowl rings as Moss – ZERO!!!!!!!

    Brady has 3 rings.
    2001 top receiver Troy Brown
    2003 top receiver Deion Branch
    2004 top reciever David Givens

  47. Willie’s comments were simply meant to gain him some media attention. Mission accomplished thanks to PFT.

    But no one, let alone Welker himself, thinks this guy views himself as a diva.

    Sitting out of non-mandatory camp is smart business and a smart move to minimize his injury risk, given the big payday he will get next year in free agency (albeit, his better days are probably behind rather than ahead of him.)

    If I were in Welker’s shoes I’d sit out too – and I think if Willie were being honest, so would he.

  48. medialovesthecowboys says: Apr 25, 2012 11:22 AM

    Oh please, put Welker on any other team and watch him be exposed for what he really is: a good number 3. JoeToronto I’m a Canadian in Toronto too. Pot is somewhat legal here now. You need to stop taking advantage though. Up and coming star? That must be some potent stuff you have there.
    ***************************************************
    Buddy, if you couldn’t tell that Welker was about to explode when the Pats made the deal to get him, you are either blind or as dumb as they come.

    It was just way too obvious.

  49. flyinhighwithvick says:
    Apr 25, 2012 11:07 AM
    But it was OK for Randy Moss to be a diva when he was in New England, right?

    ==============================
    When Moss started to act up, Bill cut him.

    As far as Welker goes, Bill said that when the Patriots played the fins, they could not stop Wes…so when the opportunity came, they signed him.

  50. I agree that Welker is being smart. He knows he can get overpaid by any desperate team in the NFL that doesn’t realize that the Pat’s offense makes everyone in it look like superstars. Why be productive for less money when you can go somewhere else and be another teams under achieving high paid free agent bust. The guy McGuinist should have been preaching this to is Peyton Hillis.

  51. Disagree. He is a product of this system. He needs to work it out and get to work. Put him in a offense like the Steeler or Giants….he wld b less than average

  52. Why does the NFL Network constantly put these types of morons on the air? Deion, McGiniest, Crapp..ahah..somebody in HR needs canned

  53. @johntonioholmes says:
    Apr 25, 2012 12:30 PM
    To be fair, Tom always put up relatively mediocre numbers until he got Welker to check down to on blitzes.

    The two guys compliment each other.

    No, Brady’s numbers went up after that started cheating..durr

  54. Every time Willie opens his mouth on NFLN, he looks like like the moron he is. Maybe they should run him out the door with Sapp and bring back Rod Woodson.

  55. Im sick of these washed up old patriots always talking about the “Patriots Way”. truth is the haven’t won anything since 05 so spare me the “patriots way” talk. Its reall annoying listening to these clowns speak. P.S GGGGMEN!!

  56. patsfan15 says:
    Apr 25, 2012 12:06 PM
    If Brady made Welker, what did Welker, Moss, and the other receivers do for Brady?

    Brady doesn’t win those SBs if he doesn’t have receivers that can catch.

    When Brady won those SB what name receivers did he have? Branch? Troy Brown? Brady won more with less talent. And Wes holding out doesnt change the way patriots move forward look at Logan Mankins.

    __
    The DEFENSE won those three SB titles. Brady was along for the ride. Once the defense declined, ZERO titles were the result.

  57. The only thing I will ever remember Mr Wes Welker as is the guy that missed the easy first down catch in the most important drive of his life at the Super Bowl. Plain and simple Wes CHOKED! .. Giants fans can thank him for the ring .. because the game would have been over if he would have caught the ball.. Its funny he can make all the tough catches through out the regular season. But once pressure is on and you need to make a play to help your team win the ring.. Some guys are clutch and have it .. Some guys dont…. Wes Welker and Lebron James have something in common

  58. tharoostah says:
    Apr 25, 2012 12:12 PM
    bigjdve says:
    Apr 25, 2012 11:13 AM
    If Brady made Welker, what did Welker, Moss, and the other receivers do for Brady?

    Brady doesn’t win those SBs if he doesn’t have receivers that can catch.

    ——————————————————
    Welker has exactly the same amount of Superbowl rings as Moss – ZERO!!!!!!!

    Brady has 3 rings.
    2001 top receiver Troy Brown
    2003 top receiver Deion Branch
    2004 top reciever David Givens

    __
    Only idiot Pats fans can’t see that it was the DEFENSE that won those three rings for Brady. Once the defense declined and the offense became the focal point, the stats went up but the championships dried up. And spare me the “one play and they would have won in 2007 and 2011” crap, because “one play” in 2001, 2002 and 2004 could have just as easily reversed those wins as well. Bottom line is that without the great defenses, Brady has won NOTHING.

  59. Wes Welker is not a diva, & holding out is his option. But I can see where the Patriots are reluctant to grant a long term contract for a 31 year old receiver, who will likely start to see his role reduced over the next 2-3 years, with the emergence of other receiving options. As good as Wes Welker is/was, Bill Belichick knows this.

  60. Ummm….
    That’s funny Willie.
    Once upon a time I remember New England didn’t want to pay a washed up LB top starter pay, so he went to play for his old DC, who had become HC at Cleveland.
    Cleveland gave him big money, but the LB really was washed up.
    Did YOU have to back up to the pay window in Cleveland? You did NOTHING there.
    The difference is Welker is still producing at this point in his career.
    Shut your pie-hole, Willie.

  61. bigperm33 says:

    Apr 25, 2012 11:21 AM
    If this was Randy Moss, TO, Plaxico, Chad Johnson doing the same exact thing, I am positive this web site would not be defending him against the diva comment.

    AMEN!!! Nor any of these people commenting. If it were Mike Wallace “mums the word”.

  62. brent13081 says:
    Apr 25, 2012 1:12 PM
    The only thing I will ever remember Mr Wes Welker as is the guy that missed the easy first down catch in the most important drive of his life at the Super Bowl. Plain and simple Wes CHOKED! .. Giants fans can thank him for the ring .. because the game would have been over if he would have caught the ball.. Its funny he can make all the tough catches through out the regular season. But once pressure is on and you need to make a play to help your team win the ring.. Some guys are clutch and have it .. Some guys dont…. Wes Welker and Lebron James have something in common

    __
    So let him go to a team that will appreciate what he brings to the table. Because God forbid anyone put any of the blame on little Tammy Brady for that horrid pass. Must be Welker’s fault that Tammy threw that bomb down the middle to no one as well…after all, Welker should have been able to get to that ball too…never mind that he was miles away from where Marcia was throwing.

  63. Ok this seals it. Any other story about a player holding out for more money gets a shower of hateful comments talking about how ungrateful a guy is, “he’s getting paid to play a game,” “I would be happy with whatever they gave me” and all sorts of other detached nonsense.

    Yet when Wes Welker is the guy doing the holding out, playing the business of football the same way every other player does, the commenters on this site pile on the messenger (McGinest) saying the same things that the commenters usually say.

    PFT is the home for the culturally conservative football fan. I didn’t realize player-hating was so much fun for you guys.

    I have a totally different understanding of this site now. Explains why there are so many missed stories, angled reports and slanted views. Come here to be entertained not informed.

  64. q4life25 says:
    Apr 25, 2012 1:04 PM
    Im sick of these washed up old patriots always talking about the “Patriots Way”. truth is the haven’t won anything since 05 so spare me the “patriots way” talk. Its reall annoying listening to these clowns speak. P.S GGGGMEN!!

    __
    People need to focus more on “The Giant Way”. Seems to me that it has been far more productive where it matters most as of late…two Super Bowl titles to NONE for the overhyped Pats.

  65. I like Welker, and I really hope he signs a (FAIR)long term deal. I.E. 3 yrs 25 or 26M, maybe 12-15M guaranteed…. This notion that everyone(including Wes)thinks he is worth the recent market set for receivers is ridiculous. For one hes nowhere near young enough for that kind of long term blockbuster deal, two, already had a major knee injury, and three even when healthy he is a GREAT go to slot receiver, hell get you 120 cathces alright..for an 8.8 ypc average. He cant carry an offense and truth be told, would not put up anywhere near the numbers in another offense without an elite QB.

    PS-The recent “market” is more due to dumb teams like the Redskins getting desperate and vastly overpaying. That does not mean the rest of the league has to follow suit.

  66. bozosforall
    The DEFENSE won those three SB titles. Brady was along for the ride. Once the defense declined, ZERO titles were the result.

    —————————————————-

    What you are saying is mainly only factual for the first title. Brady was already top tier by the second and third. Also, for the record, Brady and the offense have been carrying the team in the absence of quality D for years now. Id say consistently ranking near the top of the standings at the end of each year and two super bowl appearances(coming within inches of winning both)is pretty good.

  67. I would be more than happy if the Bears traded Matt Forte to the Patriots for Wes Welker.

    I will take the short, white “Diva” that catches 100 passes in the cold and snow in a heartbeat.
    Name an NFL QB that would not want Welker on his team right now.

  68. I wish BB would just friggan pay the guy… As a Pats season ticket holder … I want all hands on deck and happy next season… Its only money and NFL/Pats are swimming in it…

    JUST PAY THE GUY ALREADY!!! (I think he earned it)

    To Willy Mac… Miss you on the D…

  69. guy lives as a bunch formation checkdown reciever…. you don’t see Larry/Calvin having to hide and get open behind two massive tight ends.
    Would love to see how welker does in a non gimmicky offense.

  70. I’ve been a Patriots fan since ’73 when I was a kid. That being said:

    A few (just a few) of you “get it” regarding what is going on here. Wes IS a product of this system. There is hardly a chance he would come close to the numbers he presently has if he were playing for any other team.

    Willie is dead on with what he is saying, with one exception – Wes is not a diva. Everything else he said, dead on.

    When the team put the tag on him I thought: “Hey, this is cool. Overpay him (yes with that kind of money he is WAY overpaid – the guy is one dimensional, a check down reciever, not a deep threat or typical slant reciever, VERY limited as to what he brings to the table) this year to make up for the money he should have made in the past few. Near or at the end of the season cut a deal with him to keep him here until he decides to hang them up at a reasonable rate – about half of what it is for the tag. He IS NOT worth any more than that. I’m a huge fan of him, but not if he thinks he is worth that kind of money each year on a long term deal.

    If he doesn’t like what the Pats are doing, go. The door is over there. Try, really, seriously, just try and put up anywhere near the numbers he gets in New England anywhere else. Won’t happen and like some have pointed out, he would be exposed for what he really is. The Patriots have made great use of him because of the system they have and because of the work ethic he has. There are others that found this out the hard way in the recent past. I hope Wes sees that and doesn’t think he is an exception, because he would not be.

    Bottom line, Willie is right. Wes needs to pull his head out, realize what a good thing he has. Get real on what he is TRULY worth and get over it. He is needed here and can put himself in the HOF if he gets a clue and finishes here. If he decides the grass is greener elsewhere, I seriously doubt he would get the HOF nod.

  71. i wouldnt agree that he is acting like a diva, but willie is 100% right that brady and the patriots system made welker. $9 million a year in the NFL is the line for a true #1 wr and welker is not that. welker is 5’9 and about to be 31 years old. other than patriots, saints, and packers, welker is at best a #2 slot receiver who catches 60 passes and that is not worth $9 mil a year. im glad someone finally kept it real and said it.

  72. BTW – those of you knocking Willie for not signing with the Pats for the last couple years he played and going for money elsewhere, I have no problem with that.

    The man came out when he was a free agent and said point blank (verbatim): “I don’t know what they are going to offer me, but I’m sure it won’t be what I would like. I’ve really enjoyed my time here and achieved more than any player would dream of. I have three rings, not many can say that. So thank you New England. I’m most likely going somewhere else because I’m looking for the money. I’ve got everything else already.”

    I really respected the guy when he said that. Not like some who think the team owes them something and demands it going into a media temper tamptrum. No, I think Willie was one of the best the team had and the words he said about Wes hold water.

  73. bozosforall says:
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    So let him go to a team that will appreciate what he brings to the table. Because God forbid anyone put any of the blame on little Tammy Brady for that horrid pass. Must be Welker’s fault that Tammy threw that bomb down the middle to no one as well…after all, Welker should have been able to get to that ball too…never mind that he was miles away from where Marcia was throwing………………………………………….

    SO hey BOZO did you see the press confrence after the Super Bowl? any comments from WES after the game . well if you did you would know Wes said he should have caught the ball.. it was a easy catch,.. yea the pass was a little high .. But it was right in his hands… Any NFL COACH / PLAYER will tell you if it hits your hands you need to catch it…period…….Any if WES was on another team with out A GREAT QB.. he would be just a mediocre WR and special teamer… kind like his days in Miami LOL

  74. I get tired of past players weighing in years and years later on what their old teams are doing, but AT LEAST they should confine their opinions to guys who were actually their teammates. Willie was done in N.E. before Welker ever joined the team. He has absolutely nothing to add to this discussion.

  75. Have to call this out for what it is… racism. Every time a white receiver shows up in the league now you always hear announcers calling them “A Wes Welker type”. Danny Amendola, Austin Collie get that label all the time before them Kevin Curtis did. Those guys are nowhere close to the player Welker is. Last I checked before Welker showed up in NE they didn’t have guys catching 100 balls a year. Why didn’t anybody every accuse Marvin Harrison of being a product of Peyton Manning? Why doesn’t anybody else in the league get referred to as a “Marvin Harrison” type receiver or a “Reggie Wayne” type receiver? People just assume that because Welker is a white guy he can’t be talented and he obviously is.

  76. bozosforall says: Apr 25, 2012 1:14 PM

    tharoostah says:
    Apr 25, 2012 12:12 PM
    bigjdve says:
    Apr 25, 2012 11:13 AM
    If Brady made Welker, what did Welker, Moss, and the other receivers do for Brady?

    Brady doesn’t win those SBs if he doesn’t have receivers that can catch.

    ——————————————————
    Welker has exactly the same amount of Superbowl rings as Moss – ZERO!!!!!!!

    Brady has 3 rings.
    2001 top receiver Troy Brown
    2003 top receiver Deion Branch
    2004 top reciever David Givens

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    Only idiot Pats fans can’t see that it was the DEFENSE that won those three rings for Brady. Once the defense declined and the offense became the focal point, the stats went up but the championships dried up. And spare me the “one play and they would have won in 2007 and 2011″ crap, because “one play” in 2001, 2002 and 2004 could have just as easily reversed those wins as well. Bottom line is that without the great defenses, Brady has won NOTHING.

    ————
    Yeah in the second SB vs. The panthers neither team played any D after the 1st quarter.
    Brady set a SB in that game but yeah he had nothing to do with it.

    In the 3rd SB it was again the D that allowed the Eagles to score first then Brady and the O had to match TD’S
    But yeah he had NOTHING to do with it.

    And I must have mist the part of all 3 SB’s when AV took himself down the field and got himself into FG rang.

    Keep telling yourself Brady had NOTHING to do with it.

    And you wonder why every one laughs at you, Blowsforall

  77. BlowsForAll must be a Giant fan now since he keeps bringing them up. Just like he is a Laker “fan”, a Yankee “fan”, and and LSU “fan”.

    Strange how they are all over the good ol’ US of A.

    Wait a minute…they all recently won championships? Ohhhhhhh! Thats why!

    Some fan you are BlowsForAll

  78. People will give me thumbs down,but I dont care. This comment was based on race! Willie would not have said this about Dion Branch or Randy Moss when he played for New England. Bigoted comments go both ways!

  79. I do agree that Welker is really, really good and deserves to get paid well. That being said, is 9 million not a lot of money to any of you? I know compared to some other WR’s it’s not as much as it could be, but I thought the point of the game was to win a Superbowl, not make a lot of money. I think he should sign what he’s offered and go win another championship or they should pull the franchise tag so Welker can get paid a lot on some team that will be sub-par and probably won’t win another Superbowl. Look at the Packer’s receivers who take pay cuts just so Rodgers can keep throwing to them.

  80. Apparently Willie McGinest forgot about Richard Seymour holding out of training camp before the 2005 season for more money.

  81. Bozo….I want you to name 3 things you genuinely LIKE about the Patriots. And you can’t cop out and say “their logo” or “their cheerleaders.” I honestly dont think you can do it. I hope you prove me wrong.

  82. I think he should shut his stupid fat mouth. Personally I’m sick of listening to ex-p
    Patriots chime in their homer opinions on everything New England, Belichic, Boston, etc. They analyze with little objectivity and are biased in their opinions. Eff em.

  83. I would like to see Wes and his leopard boots and his redneck party tour come to Baltimore. Joe Flacco has never had the luxury of somebody that is always open. If Brady didn’t have superstars Gronkowski and Welker last year, the articles this year would be: Brady, is this his last year. Brady can’t throw a long ball. He and Sanchize have that in common. Brady has to throw a 5 yard screen to one of them and let them run for 20 yards.

  84. Will the person with the real leopard-printed boots step forward…

    That would be wuss Tom Brady and his assistant Walt Coleman who wears leopard-print socks so as to not give away who butters his bread.

  85. @ vincespowersweep. According to the accusations the cheating started from the first super bowl you dolt. If you’re going to talk about something make sure you’re aware that A. You know you’re an idiot B. Get the facts(accusations) correct.

  86. If Wes wants to sit our mini-camp, that’s fine. If he wants to sit out the season, that’s fine too. Though, a guy his size, a year older and a year removed from the field and those 100+ Brady passes won’t be worth nearly so much on the market. But hey, it’s a free country. Enjoy your vacation. Send us a postcard.

  87. Real talk! If Welker where black guarantee Willie wouldn’t say ish about him.

    Welker is the best slot receiver in the NFL and one of the best if not best slot WR’s ever.

    He’s put up monster numbers while getting paid like an average WR. Welker played out his contract now it’s time for the Pat’s to pay him.

    Brady didn’t make Welker, Welker made Welker. Welker catches almost everything thrown to him and he takes 5 yard passes and turns them into 20-30 yard gains. Welker is legit.

  88. I don’t think Wes owes the Pats anything. Obviously they helped him improve and put up some good numbers but it’s not like they didn’t already reap the benefits of that as well.

    I’m not saying they should break the bank for him or anything. But I don’t think he owes them a team friendly contract or anything else just because their offensive system improved his stats.

  89. You mean Willie “let-me-fake-an-injury-so-I-can-stop-the-clock-without-a-timeout” McGinist ? Who’s been a diva all his career from HS to USC to the Pats and Browns?

  90. If it is just business, then why do NFL players get angry when they don’t get their moh-ney (e.g., Osi, Forte, etc.)? Is it not smart of the Patriot’s brass, as businessmen, to load up on WRs at a more reasonable price to improve their bargaining position with Welker? Isn’t that just good business? Then why do so many fans think players are being treated unfairly? I mean, can anyone really live on $9 million a year? How many NFL fans will make $9 million in their lifetime??!

    The fact is that it is not just business. It is personal! And all players, as competitors, believe they are worth more because they (naturally) compare themselves to other players to determine their worth.

    No sympathy here for the fabulously wealthy ga-billionaire owners — let them piss away their money if they are so stupid. But what does this do for the GAME of football. Don’t the fans have a right to expect the rich on both sides to act more responsibly and not ruin the game?

  91. If “Diva” means you don’t take an offer that is way less than you are worth then I guess I’m a diva too.
    BTW – where can a fella wrangle some of those leopard-print cowboy boots?

  92. McGinest would know what a diva attitude is.Check out his play with the Cleveland Browns…talk about playing like a girl!

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