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Head of Saints bounty probe submits resignation letter

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As the football-following world continues to wait for the league office to levy discipline against the Saints players involved in the three-year bounty system, the story that has had more than a few twists and turns now has yet another.

Per multiple league sources, NFL director of investigations Joe Hummel has submitted a letter of resignation.

The move came Friday, at a time when all eyes were focused on the aftermath of round one of the draft and anticipation for the six rounds to come.

Hummel has been running the Saints bounty investigation.  He plans to remain on the job until the end of May.  It’s unclear whether he’ll continue to work on the bounty case, or when he last had an active role in the investigation.

Speculation obviously will arise regarding any potential connection between the resignation and the bounty probe, especially since the process of implementing discipline on the players has been delayed without any explanation.  Discipline was announced against non-players and against the Saints on March 21.

UPDATE 4:00 p.m. ET:  The NFL contends that Hummel wasn’t running the bounty investigation, even though his title is “director of investigations.”  Regardless, two men primarily if not exclusive were involved in the probe:  Hummel and NFL Security chief Jeff Miller.  Thus, even if the “director of investigations” somehow was not directing the investigation, Hummel had an integral role in the process.  “He has worked extensively on the investigation,” NFL spokesman Greg Aiello said via email.  “He reports to Jeff Miller, who is our chief security officer.”

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  1. nineroutsider says: Apr 30, 2012 2:20 PM

    A ‘tell all’ book coming soon to a book store, I mean eCommerce site, near you…

  2. andrejohnsonforpresident says: Apr 30, 2012 2:23 PM

    Idk if this is accurate, seems to me that this guy was hiding some info from the NFL when this subject first came up. I could believe that he’s been found out and this has been in the works for weeks.

  3. brianbosworthisstonecold says: Apr 30, 2012 2:23 PM

    Joe was told by Aint’s associates that if he keeps his job, there will be a bounty on him.

  4. joeydawop says: Apr 30, 2012 2:24 PM

    In other words, Heads will roll……..

  5. hockeyfootball98 says: Apr 30, 2012 2:24 PM

    Nope nothing fishy here……

  6. textexington says: Apr 30, 2012 2:25 PM

    Packers > Aints.LOLZ.

  7. chawk12thman says: Apr 30, 2012 2:25 PM

    “Speculation obviously will arise regarding any potential connection between the resignation and the bounty probe, especially since the process of implementing discipline on the players has been delayed without any explanation”
    ===============================

    Wasn’t the reason stated being that they had some followup interviews to get completed? Sounded like a viable, due diligence reason to me.

    I know we all wanted it before the draft, but it is what it is. I would venture to bet that the discipline happens in the next week.

  8. r0b1b0y says: Apr 30, 2012 2:25 PM

    My sources tell me that the private grumblings of the owners are getting louder concerning Goodell’s handling of these allegations against the Saints. He wouldn’t be one bit surprised if Goodell winds up facing federal charges and civil claims arising from this.

  9. mikeyhigs says: Apr 30, 2012 2:27 PM

    He’s probably got a sweet book deal in the works

  10. insidej0b says: Apr 30, 2012 2:29 PM

    Probably just getting his ducks in a row.

  11. crabboil says: Apr 30, 2012 2:30 PM

    The Loomis got to him.

  12. slydogs says: Apr 30, 2012 2:32 PM

    And the Saga continues….

  13. sadskinsfan89 says: Apr 30, 2012 2:32 PM

    I just want the old NFL back. The drama never ends and the NFL as a whole is just getting shady as a whole.

  14. sj39 says: Apr 30, 2012 2:34 PM

    Think he is as sick of it as the rest of us? Deal with the players and move on.

  15. dino33624 says: Apr 30, 2012 2:34 PM

    Now we have to Probe the Probe.

  16. bigwinintx says: Apr 30, 2012 2:35 PM

    Poor timing, dude.

    If you had thoughts about moving on, you should have never taken the job. All you’ve done now is make the focus turn from those accused to whatever you may or may not be hiding.

    Another chapter in the “All about me” era.

  17. jaltreality says: Apr 30, 2012 2:35 PM

    What ever happened to the wiretapping allegations? ESPN was pushing hard for two days, and now everything is dried up and gone?

  18. iberiasaint says: Apr 30, 2012 2:37 PM

    Maybe its the NFL who does not have their “ducks in a row”. NO evidence of pay for injury/cart offs. If there is evidence of this, please show it to the fans who pay all of the money in support of this league. Evidence of pay for turnovers, big legal hits, etc. does exist. Yes, I know that some rules were broken because of this. Suspensions of coaches should be revoked now and an appropriate fine applied.

  19. yojoemama says: Apr 30, 2012 2:40 PM

    He was paid off by the Saints to resign.

  20. steelerfanjo says: Apr 30, 2012 2:40 PM

    Roger Goodell is ruining the NFL people. I ahve been saying it for two years.

  21. purpleguy says: Apr 30, 2012 2:40 PM

    Had to resign cause Loomis had his phone tapped and was planning on sending Benson’s crabby grand-daughter after him.

  22. purplegreenandgold says: Apr 30, 2012 2:41 PM

    roger goodell needs an explanation

  23. sdisme says: Apr 30, 2012 2:41 PM

    Drew Brees must have asked him for an explanation.

  24. cdkreb says: Apr 30, 2012 2:43 PM

    Drew Brees will need an explaination…

  25. paulitik74 says: Apr 30, 2012 2:43 PM

    So the NFL was protecting the Saints until they couldn’t anymore. This dude stalled because he didn’t want the Katrina Darlings to look bad. Who knows what else was being hidden.

  26. jsotis76 says: Apr 30, 2012 2:43 PM

    something is rotten in the state of denmark

  27. cwmorga says: Apr 30, 2012 2:51 PM

    He probably received info of similar locker room systems during the course of the Saints investigation and Goddell told him to keep it under wraps because it would help the retired players’ in their class-action suit against the NFL.

    “Uh, Roger, I have reports that this was going on in a minimum of 10 other locker rooms.”

    “Just sit on it, Joe. I’ll hammer the Saints to send a message to the rest of the league that this won’t be tolerated, and at the same time reinforce the notion that I’m concerned about player safety. It’s a WIN-WIN!”

    At least that’s my conspiracy theory. It’s probably more likely he’s sick of chasing down pics of Favre’s junk, teleportation machines in the ‘Dome that allowed Loomis to beam into opposing teams locker rooms, etc.

  28. jenniferxxx says: Apr 30, 2012 2:55 PM

    Probably couldn’t take being exposed to all that slime. It has to wear on you.

  29. whatnojets says: Apr 30, 2012 2:57 PM

    The only team that has escaped a probe is the New York Jets!

    Why? We have God on our side!

  30. steelpalace302 says: Apr 30, 2012 3:05 PM

    When are the NFL owners going to understand that Roger Goodell is nothing but a cancer to the NFL and must be cut out. The last thing they want is for him to still be in charge when the concusion lawsuits go to court. Goodell needs to go.

  31. jaltreality says: Apr 30, 2012 3:05 PM

    Stale, unimaginative material:

    “Drew Brees needs an explanation”
    “Tiki Barber is flabbergasted”
    etc.

    Wasn’t funny to begin with, and now it’s even worse.

    @cwmorga, on the otherhand:

    “It’s probably more likely he’s sick of chasing down pics of Favre’s junk, teleportation machines in the ‘Dome that allowed Loomis to beam into opposing teams locker rooms, etc.”

    That makes me laugh.

  32. ironcity6pak says: Apr 30, 2012 3:10 PM

    Let’s just make the saints for-fit the season, restructure the entire organization. Just a thought

  33. cwmorga says: Apr 30, 2012 3:12 PM

    @jaltreality says: Apr 30, 2012 2:35 PM

    What ever happened to the wiretapping allegations? ESPN was pushing hard for two days, and now everything is dried up and gone?
    ————————————

    There wasn’t any evidence in the first place. Only the word of a disgruntled ex-employee who was fired for stealing. I’m guessing ESPN execs told the talking heads to shut their traps before Loomis got fed up and brought a suit against the network.

  34. moagecu says: Apr 30, 2012 3:14 PM

    steelerfanjo says:
    Apr 30, 2012 2:40 PM

    While I do agree with you 100%. The fact that the NFL’s viewership is at an all time high makes me believe nothing is going to change anytime soon, so might as well get used to it.

    Owners and commisioner only care about money. The fact that the superbowl had record high viewers this year makes it pretty obvious nothing is changing at the top.

  35. 69finfan says: Apr 30, 2012 3:14 PM

    Now we have Resignationgate. What’s next?

  36. mp42245 says: Apr 30, 2012 3:15 PM

    Now, the real truth will come out.there is a conspiracy, and Goodell is calling the shots.

  37. obdoc100 says: Apr 30, 2012 3:16 PM

    Think about this… Whenever an investigator resigns DURING the investigation, it almost always is because he’s being asked by his superiors (Goodell) to do something that comprises the integrity of the investigation.

    What a load of BS this has all been. Guess the “5000 page document” with all the supposed evidence is never coming to light now. BECAUSE THERE IS NONE!

    No matter how this ends up, there will always be a shadow of doubt due to the ineptness and incompetency of this commissioner.

    I feel sorry for Saints fans.

  38. bingobrown12 says: Apr 30, 2012 3:21 PM

    whatnojets says:

    The only team that has escaped a probe is the New York Jets!
    ————————————————————
    The Jets get their probing at seasons end every
    season without fail.

  39. letmesetyoustraight says: Apr 30, 2012 3:22 PM

    *****
    jaltreality says:
    Apr 30, 2012 2:35 PM
    What ever happened to the wiretapping allegations? ESPN was pushing hard for two days, and now everything is dried up and gone?
    *****
    It turns out it was a disgruntled ex-employee of the Saints. Here’s a link.

    http://www.fox8live.com/story/17797076/lee-zurik-investigation

  40. jpmelon says: Apr 30, 2012 3:23 PM

    @ ironcity6pak says:Apr 30, 2012 3:10 PM

    Let’s just make the saints for-fit the season, restructure the entire organization. Just a thought
    _____________________

    I hate the grammar police…..but your point is dumb too. Maybe you could forfeit your opinion.

  41. xxwhodatxx says: Apr 30, 2012 3:23 PM

    textexington says:
    Apr 30, 2012 2:25 PM
    Packers > Aints.LOLZ.

     —–

    At least the Saints won a playoff game last yr.

  42. musicman495 says: Apr 30, 2012 3:26 PM

    paulitik74 says: Apr 30, 2012 2:43 PM

    So the NFL was protecting the Saints until they couldn’t anymore. This dude stalled because he didn’t want the Katrina Darlings to look bad. Who knows what else was being hidden.
    ——————————-
    Get a clue. More likely is that information has come to light that casts doubts on this clown’s investigation and the conclusions. The betting here is that if these “50,000 pages” of “evidence” ever see the light of day, we will see what a sham this “investigation” and “scandal” really are.

  43. purplegreenandgold says: Apr 30, 2012 3:27 PM

    jaltreality says:
    Apr 30, 2012 2:35 PM

    What ever happened to the wiretapping allegations? ESPN was pushing hard for two days, and now everything is dried up and gone?
    ==================================
    with their story’s main character exposed for stealing nothing but “crickets” from espn and pft

    ==================================

    jenniferxxx says:
    Apr 30, 2012 2:55 PM

    Probably couldn’t take being exposed to all that slime. It has to wear on you.
    ==================================

    you should know

  44. bayoubauer says: Apr 30, 2012 3:27 PM

    brianbosworthisstonecold says:
    Apr 30, 2012 2:23 PM
    Joe was told by Aint’s associates that if he keeps his job, there will be a bounty on him.

    Aint’s? Just a guess, but if you’re a seahawks fan, when was the last time your team was even remotely relevant?

  45. nolahxc says: Apr 30, 2012 3:31 PM

    I guess he realized it’s hard to build a case around evidence that isn’t as abundant as Goodell claims…

  46. mdd913 says: Apr 30, 2012 3:38 PM

    LOL at the moron commenters who think this reflects poorly on the Saints. We’re starting to see the ugly ugly underbelly of the league office. Goodell is going to have to start answering some serious questions and providing his so-called “evidence” or things are going to get real nasty for him.

  47. wicky888 says: Apr 30, 2012 3:41 PM

    Maybe he had 5k on a Favre cart-off

  48. genericuser8888 says: Apr 30, 2012 3:44 PM

    I’m sure the NFL will spin this as no big deal, but the fact remains that his resignation was tendered on a Friday during the midst of draft coverage. That alone makes it seem like this resignation was meant to be swept under the rug.

    I also hear, on another news site, that the NFL is now reporting that he was not the actual head of the investigation.

    I’m sure the Saints are guilty of breaking some rules, but the coach punishments were extreme, and now the NFLPA says there is not even enough evidence to see that any players need punishing at all. …And now, the NFL delays punishing the players for weeks, only to have the man leading the investigation resign.

    This whole thing gets more ridiculous by the day.

  49. sdisme says: Apr 30, 2012 3:48 PM

    [quote]
    ironcity6pak says: Apr 30, 2012 3:10 PM

    Let’s just make the saints for-fit the season, restructure the entire organization. Just a thought[/quote]

    0 thumbs up and 24 thumbs down.

    Maybe it’s the way you spelled forfeit?

  50. djvicdogg says: Apr 30, 2012 3:51 PM

    LMFAO @ ironcity6pack
    “make the saints for-fit the season”
    Hahahahahaha! “for-fit” are you kidding me?

  51. rushmatic says: Apr 30, 2012 3:57 PM

    textexington says:
    Apr 30, 2012 2:25 PM
    Packers > Aints.LOLZ.

    _____________________

    3rd Grade Education > You.

  52. patriots123456 says: Apr 30, 2012 4:05 PM

    The Saints are going to sign him as an undrafted free agent, so they can beat the hell out of him in practice. LOL

  53. mullman7675 says: Apr 30, 2012 4:17 PM

    Goodell is shady. The NFL continues to look foolish. Benson must not be close buddies with the commish. We know that Mara, Kraft and Rooney are in the club. I wonder which other owner knows the secret handshake…

  54. infectorman says: Apr 30, 2012 4:25 PM

    @djvicdogg:

    Signs of the decline of western civilization are everywhere!

    Maybe he needs to “for-fit” his PFT membership for that hack job.

  55. anthonybjones says: Apr 30, 2012 4:28 PM

    Four-fit, obv. Get educated.

  56. whodat2 says: Apr 30, 2012 4:49 PM

    Likely, poor investigation or one with swiss cheese that the NFLPA is apparently slamming them on and he walks away instead of getting chitcanned!! They gave it a go….no player gets suspended and likely suits to follow slamming GODDELL!!

  57. kodakinvegas says: Apr 30, 2012 4:52 PM

    Can you people not read or is reading comprehension hour problem? It clearly stated he was NOT in charge of the bounty gate investigation, two others were. He is not leaving until The end of May.and it could just be he’s had enough or maybe even knows too much. Whatever, the guy is simply quitting. Better job maybe?

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  59. getadealdonealready says: Apr 30, 2012 5:06 PM

    Dear Grammar Police,

    Does it make you feel better to tear apart other peoples posts? I suppose it is the only use for the worthless english major your parents paid for, however no one else on the planet wants to hear about it.

    Thank You,

    A reader who is smart enough to figure out what they meant, and moved on.

  60. vikingamericann says: Apr 30, 2012 5:07 PM

    It’s all speculation at this point, but it could be he has evidence that most teams in the league ran a pay for performance system and will tell all…. Then again he could have found a job with the secret service… I hear the fringe benefits are really good if you know how to cover your tracks.

  61. vikingamericann says: Apr 30, 2012 5:16 PM

    Kodakinvagas
    Can you people not read or is reading comprehension hour problem? It clearly stated he was NOT in charge of the bounty gate investigation, two others were. He is not leaving until The end of May.and it could just be he’s had enough or maybe even knows too much. Whatever, the guy is simply quitting. Better job maybe?

    Mr. Kodakinvagas
    Reading comprehension does not require us to believe everything we read. Those of us who can use critical thinking make inferences as to what this really means. However, since you believe what you read I suggest going to the sea shepherds web site read the sad story of whales, then donate all your money to save the whales that’s whale not Green Bay Packer fans which can easily be mistaken for whales.

  62. jredshoes says: Apr 30, 2012 5:18 PM

    Exactly who are your sources Rob1boy that are so friendly with the billionaires that own the teams? And exactly what federal charges will Godell face? I’m guessing you need to spend more time serving folks in the drive through and less time taking hallucinogenics

  63. bunjy96 says: Apr 30, 2012 5:19 PM

    Maybe this whole thing with the player penalties is being held up by the NFLPA.

    Don’t know why they are involved in the first place.

    De Morris is at it again-and will lose again!

  64. musicman495 says: Apr 30, 2012 5:32 PM

    wicky888 says: Apr 30, 2012 3:41 PM

    Maybe he had 5k on a Favre cart-off
    ——————————–
    If he did, he lost, because Favre was never carted off.

  65. ripster65 says: Apr 30, 2012 5:41 PM

    of course he did, Saints probably had a bounty on him…

  66. brianbosworthisstonecold says: Apr 30, 2012 5:43 PM

    bayoubauer | Apr 30, 2012, 12:27 PM PDT
    brianbosworthisstonecold says:
    Apr 30, 2012 2:23 PM
    Joe was told by Aint’s associates that if he keeps his job, there will be a bounty on him.

    Aint’s? Just a guess, but if you’re a seahawks fan, when was the last time your team was even remotely relevant?

    You guessed wrong but you’re correct about the Seahags! LOL! Check out Stone Cold if you want some laughs though…

  67. NationalFlagFootballLeague says: Apr 30, 2012 5:43 PM

    @ kodakinvegas

    Do you honestly think the director of Investigations for the NFL wasn’t running this the whole time?
    I’m sure the NFL wouldn’t lie about this

    get your head out your ass son

  68. dirtierwater says: Apr 30, 2012 6:14 PM

    If he plans on staying on until the ‘end of May’ doesn’t that suggest he’s staying on until this particular investigation has concluded? And doesn’t that suggest his leaving has nothing to do with this case?

    I’m with the other poster; he’s probably a professional who has grown tired of investigating pictures of Favre’s junk and questioning strippers.

  69. lolb23 says: Apr 30, 2012 6:20 PM

    How incredibly stupid are Saints fans asking for evidence? Greg Williams admitted to it you inbred fools.

  70. lolb23 says: Apr 30, 2012 6:23 PM

    Aint’s? Just a guess, but if you’re a seahawks fan, when was the last time your team was even remotely relevant?
    ______________________________

    Um…two seasons ago when the Lynch and the Hawks owned the Saints, eliminating them from the first round of the playoffs?

    You must be so proud for surviving your mom’s back woods, meth-lab coat hanger abortion attempt.

  71. sfsaintsfan says: Apr 30, 2012 6:39 PM

    The rats are abondoning ship….

    There is no evidence of a “bounty” program, just a bad decision by the head coach not to end a half-hearted effort at a “pay for performance” program when told to do so. For that, he was suspended for a year and the team lost two second round draft choices. All of this for a “bounty” program that resulted in ZERO Cart-Offs and ZERO Knock-Outs over a three year period.

    The average NFL player outweighs me by 100 pounds and could probably knock me out by looking at me, but if I wanted to, I could easily take out their knee while they were walking down the street. Just run into them and dive at their knee from the side. Pop. The absurdity of Goodell’s “bounty” allegations is beyond ludicrous. There was a half-assed “pay for performance” program and a loud mouthed Defensive Coordinator, that is all.

    When this all comes out, Goodell will be the one with egg on his face.

  72. csmit44 says: Apr 30, 2012 6:42 PM

    “Packers > Aints.LOLZ.”

    I’d watch where you are throwing stones there chief.

    IF and that’s a big if. The wiretapping story has any merit Mickey Loomis was sending calls to YOUR head coach (saints DC 99-04).

  73. csmit44 says: Apr 30, 2012 6:51 PM

    Also…is Roger going to hug the ever living S*%# out of him when he cleans out his office?

  74. lesterdiamond04 says: Apr 30, 2012 6:55 PM

    brianbosworthisstonecold says:
    Apr 30, 2012 2:23 PM
    Joe was told by Aint’s associates that if he keeps his job, there will be a bounty on him.

    Aint’s? Just a guess, but if you’re a seahawks fan, when was the last time your team was even remotely relevant

    Answer: jan 8, 2011.. If my memory serves me correctly, Lynch was relevant that day

  75. 69finfan says: Apr 30, 2012 7:01 PM

    It doesn’t matter if there is 50,000, 5,000, 500, 5 or no pages of evidence. The evidence is that the HC, GM and former DC admitted, I repeat admitted to the Bounty allegations and admitted, I repeat admitted to lying about the Bounty program and admitted, I repeat admitted to continuing the Bounty program after they were told they had to stop if in fact there was one. Then there was the audio that came out from GW pre game pep talk about taking out knees, going after concussion victims etc. How much more evidence is needed than this?

  76. patriots123456 says: Apr 30, 2012 7:32 PM

    Caution when reading the comments:

    Notice the last paragraph in the article says UPDATE at 4:00PM ET.

    The original article stated Hummel WAS running the investigation and still does state that: The update says he wasn’t running the investigation.

    The majority of comments here were made prior to the update. So those people assumed (correctly from the info at that time) that he WAS running it. We now know he wasn’t.

  77. cullenand99 says: Apr 30, 2012 7:50 PM

    Now, I may be wrong about this. But I dont think that Gregg Williams or Sean Payton ever admitted to a bounty program. If I remember correctly, in the statement that Gregg Williams gave he admitted to a pay for performance program, NOT bounty.

  78. skinstidecubsfan says: Apr 30, 2012 7:54 PM

    probably get a few million to write a book on the investigation which he probably could not do if he was employed by the nfl.

  79. MGN says: Apr 30, 2012 7:58 PM

    69finfan says:
    Apr 30, 2012 7:01 PM
    It doesn’t matter if there is 50,000, 5,000, 500, 5 or no pages of evidence. The evidence is that the HC, GM and former DC admitted, I repeat admitted to the Bounty allegations and admitted, I repeat admitted to lying about the Bounty program and admitted, I repeat admitted to continuing the Bounty program after they were told they had to stop if in fact there was one. Then there was the audio that came out from GW pre game pep talk about taking out knees, going after concussion victims etc. How much more evidence is needed than this?

    Gregg Williams Statement:

    “I want to express my sincere regret and apology to the NFL, Mr. Benson, and the New Orleans Saints fans for my participation in the ‘pay for performance’ program while I was with the Saints. It was a terrible mistake, and we knew it was wrong while we were doing it. Instead of getting caught up in it, I should have stopped it. I take full responsibility for my role. I am truly sorry. I have learned a hard lesson and I guarantee that I will never participate in or allow this kind of activity to happen again.”

    Sean Payton Statement:

    “I share and fully support the League’s concerns and goals on player safety. It is, and should be paramount.

    Respecting our great game and the NFL shield is extremely important to me.

    Our organization will implement all necessary protections and protocols, and I will be more vigilant going forward.

    I am sorry for what has happened and as head coach take full responsibility.

    Finally, I want to thank Mr. Benson, our players and all Saints fans for their overwhelming support.”

    Neither admitted to a bounty program or lying, and other than GODdell’s statement’s, no evidence has been released. So all you “know it all’s” who say they know exactly what happened are just blowing hot air.

  80. realskipbayless says: Apr 30, 2012 8:20 PM

    jaltreality needs an explanation.

  81. mdd913 says: Apr 30, 2012 8:25 PM

    “Don’t just teach your children to read, teach your children to question what they read.” – George Carlin

    Saints fans and anybody interested in the truth of this situation have been doing just that since this whole thing started, and they are about to be proven right.

  82. lolb23 says: Apr 30, 2012 9:00 PM

    haha @ madd913 you pattern your life after a grumpy, jaded, atheist comedian? Sad. I guess everyone should question your comment since we’re reading it.

  83. whodatgirl1 says: Apr 30, 2012 9:00 PM

    @MGN, it’s very interesting the wording that was used in all the statements. “Pay-for-performance” as defined in the NFL’s report is money paid to players for fumble recoveries, interceptions, etc. Why is everyone saying that all the people involved “admitted” to a bounty program? I didn’t see the word “bounty” in any of the statements; the implication is that players got paid for an interception.

  84. lolb23 says: Apr 30, 2012 9:01 PM

    Saints fans and anybody interested in the truth
    _______________________________

    Truth like Greg Williams already admitting it?

  85. lolb23 says: Apr 30, 2012 9:03 PM

    @ MGN exactly how much cajun jumbo shrimp do you have to eat before becoming as delusional as you?

  86. genericuser8888 says: Apr 30, 2012 9:46 PM

    If I remember correctly, the NFL did not like the apology letter that Greg Williams wrote, so the league wrote one on his behalf. — Isn’t that what happened? If I’m wrong, someone let me know. I was under the impression that the league wrote Williams’ apology letter.

    Greg did apologize later, but I don’t think he ever mentioned the word “bounty”. I think he said “pay for performance”. …everybody is saying that Greg Williams and Sean Payton apologized for a bounty program, when I don’t think that they actually have. I think they’ve apologized for a “pay for performance program” (greg williams) and for “letting it continue on my watch” (sean payton).

    …so, like I said, somebody feel free to correct me, but I’m not sure that the Saints ever apologized for a “bounty” program, and don’t feel that one existed in the manner that the league has described (which is probably why the suspensions were so long – the Saints wouldn’t admit to evils to the extent that the league wanted them too).

  87. caliangel08 says: Apr 30, 2012 10:33 PM

    Seems real simple ……

    “Taking the element of coercion to the next level, the NFLPA also is arguing, we’re told, that the players were coerced into lying to investigators about the existence of a pay-for-performance/bounty pool.”

    http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/04/21/nfl-frustrated-by-nflpas-tactics-in-bounty-investigation/related/

    The person guilty of coercion , resigned …..

  88. fusion3450 says: Apr 30, 2012 10:39 PM

    lolb23 says:
    Apr 30, 2012 9:01 PM
    Saints fans and anybody interested in the truth
    _______________________________

    Truth like Greg Williams already admitting it?

    ————————
    do you read facts? or do you just hear and believe what you want to? what EXACTLY was admitted?
    and call saints fan inbreds? have you ever been down here? or just watch tv and think everybody is what you see there too?

  89. 69finfan says: Apr 30, 2012 11:03 PM

    Semantics people Semantics! Call it whatever you want but a culture existed and a fund was established that encouraged and was to reward plays, hits etc outside the scope of the game with the intent to injure opposing players. The first step to true healing is to admit guilt and accept the consequences. The problem with many of you is you can’t handle the truth. Accept it and move on.

  90. rabbdogg says: Apr 30, 2012 11:41 PM

    the problem with that dumb crap u just posted id it DOES matter what u call it idiot…paying playets to get ints and paying players to break legs are two DIFFERENT things dummy.

  91. purplegreenandgold says: May 1, 2012 12:06 AM

    patriots123456 says:
    Apr 30, 2012 4:05 PM

    The Saints are going to sign him as an undrafted free agent, so they can beat the hell out of him in practice. LOL

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    to follow your attempt on humor im quite sure the Saints will beat the hell out of him when they play the Patriots in the preseason to make sure its taped. LMMFAO

  92. sdisme says: May 1, 2012 12:14 AM

    Maybe he gave the commish this fact:

    4. In each of the 2009-2011 seasons, the Saints were one of the top five teams in the league in roughing the passer penalties. In 2009 and 2011, the Saints were also in the top five teams in unnecessary roughness penalties; in 2010, the Saints ranked sixth in the category.

    That simply wasn’t true (but no one ever challenged)

  93. mdd913 says: May 1, 2012 12:15 AM

    lolb23 says: Apr 30, 2012 9:00 PM

    haha @ madd913 you pattern your life after a grumpy, jaded, atheist comedian?

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    I’d rather be a grumpy jaded atheist that tries to understand the truths of the world and think for myself than a mindless sheep getting led around by the nose and believing everything they are told.

  94. mdd913 says: May 1, 2012 12:19 AM

    69finfan says: Apr 30, 2012 11:03 PM

    Semantics people Semantics! Call it whatever you want but a culture existed and a fund was established that encouraged and was to reward plays, hits etc outside the scope of the game with the intent to injure opposing players

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    You’re basing this conclusion on what … Evidence that the NFL has been unable to produce after three years and three months of investigations? The word of a commissioner who just a few years ago stood up and perjured himself before Congress about the prevalance and severity of concussions in the NFL?

    Sorry, but people with brains understand that something is not quite right and now we’re starting to see why. The truth is coming out, friend.

  95. timpuzzle says: May 1, 2012 12:54 AM

    @ csmit
    I believe he was the OC not DC and as a Packer fan I’d like to formally disown textington. Dude is a clown. Please don’t judge the rest of us by the drivel that he spews on a regular basis.

  96. ilovefoolsball says: May 1, 2012 3:36 AM

    lolb23 & 69finfan you two should really hook up with each other. Forget match com and eharmony you guys are perfect for one another.
    Like the general public, if your seriously not questioning things on this whole ordeal well then you were probably just a saints hater before anyways like jenniferxxx. Just be honest with yourself and come out and say it. No reason to hide your losing team that has never won a superbowl.
    If you’re a loser that’s fine. Just own it and come out of the closet.
    Lemme say I hate the falcons because they’re a division rival. But if a falcon fan is trashing the saints and states that he’s a falcons fan then I have more respect for him because he’s being a man about it.

    Some of you need to learn how to be men. It will help you out a lot in your real life that doesn’t involve poking out your virtual chest in comment sections.

  97. patpatriotagain says: May 1, 2012 5:19 AM

    since when are coerced confessions legitimate. no doubt that williams and the others were under threat to be permanently banned if they didn’t admit it.

  98. gavriloprincip33 says: May 1, 2012 6:41 AM

    If the Saints did nothing wrong then why didn’t they bring in the lawyers to fight the NFL?

  99. 69finfan says: May 1, 2012 10:22 AM

    ilovefoolsball
    Actually my team has won multiple SB’s, has played in 5 and holds the greatest accomplishment in the history of the modern day NFL. I am not a Saints hater. I was born in N.O. I simply do not condone any team or any athlete in any sport that does or would attempt what the Saints did. If it was the Dolphins I would be extremely dissapointed in them as well. What’s next, Snipers?

  100. darthsaint says: May 1, 2012 12:31 PM

    Bring the lawyers…for what!!! Judge Jury and Appellate Court are all one in the same. Goodell. End of story. Seriously, there is zero recourse for the Saints.

    Why do you think Goodell dandles the carrot. Act nice and you get your 2nd round pick back next year. Seriously, why would he do that. If we were so bad…if we were out there hurting so many players. We deserve every bit of that punishment and MORE!!!

    It is all a load of BS. Neither Williams or Payton have EVER admitted to a “bounty” system. Absolutely NO active or previous Saint player has admitted to a “bounty” system.

    Yes, the Saints had a pay for performance system in place. Yes, Greg Williams is a bit of a nut and crosses the line with his rah rah speeches.

    But the facts are the facts. In the three years of the said “bounty” program. Only ONE player was ever seriously injured or “carted off”. His name, Reggie Bush…of the New Orleans Saints. So if these defensive players were trying so damn hard to get said “bounty” money. Don’t we all think that at some point…at least ONE TIME…they would have been successful at hurting anyone from the opposing team?? Seriously…at least one. But the facts are the facts…it NEVER happened…not once.

    So logic then starts to creep in. Perhaps they weren’t actually trying to hurt other players. Maybe they were running a “pay for performance” system, which Williams and Payton have admitted to. Also, many other players, both current and past, have admitted to having pay for performance systems in place as well. So one could easily argue, if the NFL actually investigated the league…they would quickly realize “pay for performance” is for the norm, than an exception. In Goodells press conference after the coach penalties were announced. I will directly quote him here. Roger Goodell – “Let’s be clear. We discussed it with the clubs today and I think it is fair to say non-contract bonus payments were happening around the league … and that’ll discontinue.”

    What a second, so Goodell admits that similar “pay for performance” systems were in place across the league, but they will discontinue. So then as fans we are left to rationalize that the reason the Saints lost their Head Coach for a year, Assistant Head Coach for half the year, a 500K fine and two top draft picks…was because 3 years earlier the league inquired about a “bounty” system and the Saints didn’t do enough to stop said “bounty” system.

    The NFL says it has 50,000 pages of evidence around this. Which always seemed ridiculous to me. Of those 50,000 pages of evidence, they were unable to provide any distinct evidence to the NFLPA exact player involvement in a “bounty” system. So the NFL says it needs more time to clearly put together its facts. THAT DOESN’T JUMP OUT TO ANYONE ELSE? The NFL had months to put this together. They all along said they would also go after the players. How do they need more time…after stating they had concluded their investigation?

    I think the NFL thought it could strong arm all the internal pieces of the puzzle. They are running scared from the pending player suits. It is obvious the NFL covered up data on traumatic head wounds and blatantly lied at times to the players. This will come back to bite them and it is becoming obvious to the league. Making a statement, like what they have done to the Saints, is a Hail Mary of sorts to showcase how seriously the league takes player safety and the measures they are willing to take to protect the players.

    But it is all BS. They didn’t care until they had a 1,000 players filing suit. The Saints had their hand in the “pay for performance” cookie jar that everyone else had already taken their cookie from. So we took it on the chin for all.

    But as all Saints fans have pointed out from day one. We watch all of the games. Our defense was NEVER tough. It was never over the top hard hitting. And it was never taking players out or injuring them.

    My coach in high school used to tell me to “go out there and kill that guy”. I never took him seriously. I knew he meant to do my job…to impose my will…to hit him as hard as I possibly could each down. I think Saints players heard what Williams said…and I think they did exactly what I did. Went out there, played football, hard, each down. But at no time did I ever see evidence of Saints players abusing other players. It simply didn’t happen.

    The NFL needed and out. And the Saints were sitting there when they needed it. I’m glad not everyone is going along for the ride. This could get interesting.

    As an FYI – Saints fans would like nothing more than to just have football back. But as a fan of this game, we are all in the same boat to a certain degree. If they get away with this…what or who is next?

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