And to the guy that questioned my “all that matters is the bottom line” comment. YES. The bottom line! Making an expansion team into a 7 win team with a playoff win was amazing considering the rookies and 2nd year guys playing! Is 7-9 always acceptable? Of course not! But theres a light at the end of the tunnel. Its called DEVELOPING PLAYERS! Rookies and 2nd year guys dont go 19-0 with a Super Bowl win! I’m going to laugh at all the haters when the Seahawks are winning 10+ games a year. Even with 10+ wins the haters will still grasp for straws! While good moves continually are being made the haters will bring up Whitehurst as their only ammunition! This team especially on defense is gonna be special! You east coasters don’t watch Seahawks games, know nothing about whats going on in Seattle besides the occasional ESPN comment then you trash talk? If I’m going to be criticle of a teams moves, I’d sure as hell wanna make sure that I know what I’m talking about. The Seahawks are going to be a big threat starting next year and it scares the hell out of people! Of course you don’t want the Seahawks to be good, because they’ll beat your team and hurt you while doing it with their big, fast, and physical style. Fear the Seahawks if you play us! I would!

How many more straws are people gonna grasp for?

Let’s recap:
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Thank you for confirming that the Whitehurst trade was a bad move. Did you know all front offices sometimes make bad moves? Bill Belichick once thought that Chad Jackson and Laurence Maroney were worthy of first-round picks. That was the worst move they’ve made so far, but, had Whitehurst turned into a decent starter, it would have been cheap.

Regarding the Jackson signing, it was made last July, with the start of training camp only days away, thanks to the lockout. The team had three options:

1) Re-sign Hasselbeck and commit 3-4 more years, at $7 million a year, to a guy who’s 34-35 years old. The rest of the roster is being flipped, why hold on to the guy who was the last regime’s QB? And why hold on to a guy who is that age, with a history of injuries, to play behind a very young, very raw offensive line?

2) Pay Kevin Kolb over $60 million for five years. Now, the jury is still out on Kolb, since he didn’t have a full camp last year, but so far, that’s what a “big time bust” QB acquisistion looks like: Giving up a second rounder, a Pro Bowl CB, and $62 million for a guy who’s going to get pushed by John Skelton.

3) Sign a younger free agent who may still have some upside. Among players in that category were Jackson, Matt Leinart (who was allegedly invited to try for a place on the team), and Vince Young.

The third option was clearly the best one for the team. Bring in a guy who won’t command franchise pay, but is still young and may have something yet to prove. If he’s able to turn the corner, you just got a long-term starting QB for next to nothing. If he doesn’t pan out, you try it against next year – hence, the Flynn signing.

To point the finger at the Jackson signing without acknowledging the state of the QB market at the time is asinine.

Whitehurst was the third QB on the Chargers depth chart but Schneider thinks that he’s worth two picks in the top 3. What kind of return did you get on those picks you gave up?? Whitehurst is back in San Diego and what exactly did they have to give up to get Charlie back? Nothing because the Seahawks didn’t feel he was worth resigning but he was worth giving up two draft picks for.

Did I mention that they traded away a third round pick for a third string QB that is now back with the same team for free…

So what do you follow that up with, well let’s sign Tavaris Jackson because he’s really proven that he’s a viable starting QB in the league right? First we’ll give away our draft picks for a third stringer that we wont bother to re-sgin in two years and then we’ll sign another teams bust to come in and be our starter.

Good luck with Flynn, giving the recent acquisitions I’m sure he’ll be great.

They dropped in the second round and gave away a very valuable third round pick for another teams THRID string QB that was returned to the same team for free after two years in free agency. yes, that is one of the worst trades ever, you gave away draft picks to rent a third string qb for two seasons.

Would you be referring to the two 7-9 seasons since Pete and John took the Seattle reins as ‘the bottom line’?

Ive been covering the NFL for the last 5 yrs — with a focus on the Seahawks/Bills. Most people who have all this carroll hate clearly aren’t watching the games and that bothers me as someone who does follow every team.

The consistent Carroll hate is extremely laughable.. OK he blew it on Whitehurst — but that was a swap of 2nds where they got golden tate anyway who they graded in the high 2nd…

So lets go through the rest of the moves, shall we…

Chris Clemons for Tapp — This moved was ripped at the time– well , clemons has 20 sacks in 2 yrs under PC and tapp is barely in the league.. HMMM — oh but pete sucks

okk next… moving red bryant from DT to DE.. ohhhh that was a fluke.. but the mighty bill belichick wanted to sign him to a 5-35 deal.. oh yeah, pete sucks

Draft: (note : pete specializes in db coaching)
Earl Thomas – Pro Bowler
Kam Chancellor – Pro Bowler
Richard Sherman — Showed huge potential in rookie season
Browner- Pro Bowl
Doug Baldwin – broken several rookie records
KJ Wright – -rock solid LB in round 4

The Tjack stuff is pathetic analysis… he was brought in a short-term stopgap and he played above expectations and actually went 7-7 this year, including wins over the Ravens, Eagles — clearly flynn/wilson moves show tjack was just a stopgap driven by bevell/lockout..

Again– seahawks trade for troubled back marshawn lynch… umm, who led the league in rushing in the second half of the season this year? oh yah.. pete sucks, right?

when you watched the holmgren team in 08, mora team in 09.. all you saw was a team with no future, a sinking ship and if you watched the balt, philly, sf games last year– you saw a team with speed, size, clear direction and won 7 games with a pretty weak qb… so they upgraded QB, added pass rush (easily biggest hole last yr) in Irvin + interior rusher in Jason Jones.. but pete sucks right? it truly amazes me that people can still think way

this team was top 9 in d without any pass rush.. imagine what they can do now if irvin pans out… and i think he will in the leo role — i bet no one in this board even knows with that is… and size-wise.. he’s identical to von miller + clay mathews.. please do your research and not sound like a baffoon like espn;s colin cowherd

But we heard about “the line waiting” to acquire Charlie Whitehurst after we gave the moon to get him, and everyone was stunned the Seahawks moved down 20 picks in round 2 AND gave a 3rd round pick for a 3rd sting QB with no film.

This feels a lot like this.

Pete Carroll and John Schneider don’t need to explain their picks to anyone, especially the ones who will ALWAYS dislike them and/or the Seahawks! While times change peoples opinions usually never do. Hate hate hate hate on Pete Carroll and/or the Seahawks all you want because what really matters is the bottom line, not your baseless opinions!

BTW after giving up a ridciulous amount for Whitehurst he ultimately ended up back in San Diego after only a couple seasons in Seattle.

Possible one of the worst trades in NFL history.
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Yeah, swapping 2nd rounders and giving up a 3rd is one of the dumbest trades of all time lol.

They signed Jackson as a stop-gap because the OL was a joke (Hass would have been killed), and the lack of a regular offseason. Paying Jackson 4mil a year is not saying he is your franchise QB.

You’re out of your element Donnie.

Also, Chris Clemons is the same height and only 10 lbs heavier than Irvin and plays the position he is being groomed for, on a defense that has been very tough against the run. So….let’s stop being stupid here.

Where did you get your coaching diploma. First, Carrol’s not the GM and before you say it of course he has say in the draft. Any coach who doesn’t has a fool for a GM.

Having said that just because you can read negative reviews of his size doesn’t mean a thing.

Look at other teams rosters over the last 15 years and see how many great rush ends / linebackers were just about the same size.

Clay Mathews 6′ 3″, 255 lbs. He seems to get past the tackles.

Haters gonna hate. Everyone around the NFL knows the Seahawks are on the rise.

That’s exactly my point. Pete Carroll said exactly otherwise. He was asked directly about TJack, and said he was the quarterback they were going to build around. I hate the hypocricy and BS, especially from a guy who has only had success when he cheated.

But Pete Carroll is dillusional. Irvin is to small to stop the run and any team that sees him is going to be overjoyed to have their tackle flatten him and run for 7 yards.

I think with this dumb selection, Pete Carroll has put himself on the clock for dismissal. He continues to act like he’s in college with his methods and it’s going to cost him his job. I like Pete of course but he clearly doesn’t get the personell part of his job.

I guess signing an unproven quarterback to a huge contract and then drafting a questionable rookie doesn’t qualify as ‘jerking him around.’