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John Harbaugh: Patriots earned those championships

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After saying in a radio interview that Spygate had “stained” the Patriots’ championships, Ravens coach John Harbaugh has now revised and extended those remarks.

Harbaugh issued a statement this afternoon after making those comments this morning, and he said in his statement that he wasn’t saying he personally believes the Patriots’ titles are tainted. He was saying he thinks others perceive the Patriots’ titles as tainted.

“I answered a question about playing within the rules and referred to the perception that the Super Bowl championships won by the Patriots and Saints have a stain,” Harbaugh said. “My reference was to the perception out there that came as the result of the league’s actions.”

The question asked to Harbaugh was about the Saints’ bounty scandal, and in answering Harbaugh largely ignored bounties and instead brought up Spygate. But in his clarification Harbaugh said he doesn’t want the coaches of either the Saints or the Patriots to think he was suggesting they didn’t earn their Super Bowl rings.

“I could have been more clear that I was referring to those viewpoints,” Harbaugh said. “I totally believe that the Patriot and Saint coaches and players earned those championships. Bill [Belichick] and Sean [Payton] both know that.”

Harbaugh said he has always liked and admired Belichick and contacted him today to say so.

“I called him to remind him of my respect for him,” Harbaugh said. “I also reached out to Tedy Bruschi, who rightfully defended those Patriot players and coaches on ESPN, to tell him that I agree with him that the Patriots earned every victory.”

The Ravens host the Patriots in Week Three on Sunday Night Football. Harbaugh may want to take some advice from his brother and prepare in advance for his post-game handshake.

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  1. etanorg says: May 1, 2012 1:33 PM

    but more importantly, another sign that after YEARS of our reading and the hamsters plugging along…. PFT has definitely “arrived”… when an NFL head coach is worried PFT will blow up, it’s a great day.

  2. myspaceyourface says: May 1, 2012 1:33 PM

    I liked his first opinion better.

  3. ynot1381 says: May 1, 2012 1:34 PM

    Its too late John. Belichick is going to bring the hammer when you play in week 3.

    This is like a kid insulting a bully, and then trying to apologize when he realizes what he did.

  4. lolb23 says: May 1, 2012 1:34 PM

    Every game ever won with Ray Lewis in the line-up is an *

  5. kmart0319 says: May 1, 2012 1:34 PM

    Wow, I’ve never seen anyone backpedal faster….

  6. warrenmoon says: May 1, 2012 1:35 PM

    He must be reading PFT every morning. I hope you read this comment John! Get a real quarterback!

  7. joshp85 says: May 1, 2012 1:35 PM

    He’s right if they didn’t get caught cheeting they would have never been required to turn in their first round pick 2008 and the coach was fined 500,000$

    They got caught it happened. And then the NFL destroyed the evidence.

  8. giveseanpaytonhisjuicyfruit says: May 1, 2012 1:36 PM

    Guess he remembered they play the Patriots this year

  9. tedmurph says: May 1, 2012 1:37 PM

    One of the fastest backpedals I’ve ever seen. Maybe he could play CB for the ‘tainted’ Pats.

  10. bchapman2011 says: May 1, 2012 1:37 PM

    All Harbaugh did was state facts…..It’s a shame that he backed down because he was accurate and there was no need for a clarification

  11. noeffinway says: May 1, 2012 1:37 PM

    “um…ahhh…..ummm…..um”. – John Harbaugh

  12. rushmatic says: May 1, 2012 1:37 PM

    Now I REALLY think he’s an idiot.

    At first, I accepted that’s how he felt about my team. Now, pffff. GTFO.

    And for the jealous bunch, we get it — “CHEATING” sounds better than taping from an illegal part of the field.

  13. steviemo says: May 1, 2012 1:37 PM

    Still, no rings since Spygate. Tell me why, Pats fans….

  14. rc33 says: May 1, 2012 1:38 PM

    Spin.
    He’s a responsible adult and he spoke his mind. No one’s really gonna believe he didn’t mean what he said.

  15. bootsers says: May 1, 2012 1:38 PM

    Why backtrack on the truth? Both teams cheated the year they won the SB. Fact admitted by the coaches.

  16. emaimo80 says: May 1, 2012 1:38 PM

    kmart0319
    May 1, 2012, 1:34 PM EDT

    Dwight Howard backpeddled pretty quick

  17. gbrussell says: May 1, 2012 1:39 PM

    He’s right that he could have been clearer he was talking about public perception. But even so, I think people using common sense would have taken his statement to have been about public perception and not his own view.

    Of course, media looking to put out a story that will draw viewers and hits often don’t fall into the “people using common sense” category.

  18. mikeyhigs says: May 1, 2012 1:39 PM

    Oh no! Harbaugh said something honest and now is caving to the pressure to apologize. Seems like every day some athlete or coach says something honest, dumb, or both and has to backtrack on it to appease the media. God forbid we hurt someone’s feelings with words. Ridiculous. Sticks and stones, people. Sticks and stones.

  19. hugejazz says: May 1, 2012 1:39 PM

    John Harbaugh : “Please Mr.Belichick don’t hurt me.”

    Bill Belichick : “I won’t hurt you. But I know a guy who knows a guy who knows where your kids go to school. So – you’re always going to lose to me. Right?”

    JH : “OK”

    BB : “Just don’t make it, you know, too obvious. We wouldn’t want anything, you know, tragic to happen to your loved ones.”

  20. chc4 says: May 1, 2012 1:39 PM

    This guy is such a weasel. He oughtta shut his pie hole since he has won absolutely nothing.

  21. bucrightoff says: May 1, 2012 1:40 PM

    His ankles must be broken from backpedaling that fast

  22. blizzard01 says: May 1, 2012 1:41 PM

    At least we can all agree the Saints are filthier than all others- the snookie of the nfl.

  23. dubaradhandi says: May 1, 2012 1:41 PM

    Harbaugh gained my respect back. Haters do you realize how difficult to understand the signals even for the home team. I agree it helped if they have 10min between snaps. Everyone can see the formation in TV. How many times they played another team specially the Super Bowl is played against NFC team. They may not have the tapes. How many teams they played twice? Why the opponent team didn’t change the signal 2nd time they played the pats…dumb? Keep hating….they will keep winning

  24. Gordon says: May 1, 2012 1:41 PM

    He kissed the ring…how embarrassing.

  25. nflfan1 says: May 1, 2012 1:42 PM

    …After begging forgiveness Coach Harbaugh kissed the 3 Superbowl rings “Godfather” style while hoping aloud that Coach Belichicks first grandchild is a masculine child.

  26. channingtaintum says: May 1, 2012 1:42 PM

    warrenmoon says:
    May 1, 2012 1:35 PM
    He must be reading PFT every morning. I hope you read this comment John! Get a real quarterback!

    ————————————————-

    Didn’t you know? He’s been trolling us as “6rings”.

  27. 6ball says: May 1, 2012 1:43 PM

    .

    Yo, Chucklehead, your playoff game was # 22 of the season.

    Matt Millen would have had the FG unit at the ready.

    It’s not the Patriots fault your coaching staff and kicking team were out to lunch.

    .

  28. robert831 says: May 1, 2012 1:43 PM

    Well they are tainted without question. Facts are facts.

  29. ravenator says: May 1, 2012 1:44 PM

    Sorry, I know how disappointed you finger-pointing maniacs must be. In the end though, Ravens are the epitome of a first-class organization.

    And before any of you Pittsburgh trolls come barreling through, Steelers were swept, and Tebow’d by a backup QB. AFCN belongs to the Ravens.

  30. deathtoromo says: May 1, 2012 1:45 PM

    Tough talk from a coach who’s middle linebacker is the defacto head coach. What a douche.

  31. nomad57 says: May 1, 2012 1:45 PM

    Crawfish powers, activate!

  32. yahmule says: May 1, 2012 1:46 PM

    Retracted under pressure, but no less true.

  33. prettytonyt says: May 1, 2012 1:47 PM

    You guys think Rex Ryan is classless? Check out John Harbaugh. Wow total classless move he just made.

  34. indywilson40 says: May 1, 2012 1:47 PM

    Will the real John Harbaugh please stand up?

  35. izzylangfan says: May 1, 2012 1:47 PM

    For the purpose of this note I couldn’t think of Sean Payton’s last name. So I just googled “Sean Cheater”. Viola!

    The championships of Payton and Belichick are tainted because they are cheaters and we do not know what part cheating played in their titles.

    Harbaugh had it right the first time. But I guess RGI was on the phone to him pretty quick.

  36. rc33 says: May 1, 2012 1:47 PM

    steviemo says: May 1, 2012 1:37 PM

    Still, no rings since Spygate. Tell me why, Pats fans….
    —————————
    Pathetic.
    What’d actually help your point is if they’d turned into a .500 team or something after Spygate.
    Either way, please, by all means, continue to lose sleep over this 5 year old story.
    Ideally, a decade from now, you’ll still be sweating bullets over it.

  37. mattwalshvideo says: May 1, 2012 1:48 PM

    Be a man, you know exactly what you meant.

    Barry Bonds HR crown is about as real as the Patriots 3 spy rings.

  38. rexismybff says: May 1, 2012 1:48 PM

    This is why you lost last year, John.

    Mike Tomlin wouldn’t bother to state that people perceive the Pats as cheaters – he’s not interested in perception.

    And when Belichick called him demanding a retraction, Tomlin would not have bent over and kissed the ring. He would have bent over and told BB where to kiss it himself.

    Grow up and have some conviction about your own ideas John. I was rooting for you in the title game last year, but you are a nervous wreck on the sidelines in high-pressure situations.

  39. eggersthejerk says: May 1, 2012 1:49 PM

    “John Harbaugh: Patriots earned those championships”

    ………………………………………………………………………

    Yes they did.

    They put lots of effort into breaking the rules & in trying not to be caught.

    I mean, how can anyone say they don’t deserve those titles considering all the hard “work” they put in? It’s not like what they did was easy, right?

  40. buckyhamm says: May 1, 2012 1:49 PM

    The players earned it … the coaches cheated which equals an asterisk by the championship.

  41. kathyisintheroom says: May 1, 2012 1:49 PM

    This is another example of why the Harbaughs are immature and lil punks.
    No balls.

    Stand by your words and own them.
    Don’t retreat when you feel the heat.

  42. kacapaco says: May 1, 2012 1:52 PM

    This man is a*hole. I listened the interview and on that interview, he jumped to New England and says all the ‘stains’ and ‘asterisks’ even though the hosts said nothing about patriots at all.

  43. bearsrulepackdrool says: May 1, 2012 1:52 PM

    Lesson for the day:

    Keep your opinion out the media.

    It’s your PR squads job to tell you what your opinion is.

  44. infectorman says: May 1, 2012 1:52 PM

    WHAT A JACKA$$!!!!

    Wonder how the raven fans feel to have a flip-flopping, John Kerry wannabe as a HC?

    Personally, I’d be embarrassed to be a Raven fan today. Great tough football team, right there at the cusp….Then this.

  45. knucklebucket says: May 1, 2012 1:52 PM

    Its strange to me that in this day and age of technology that some people still don’t know how to filter themselves when speaking to ANY media outlet. Say something inflammatory on a radio station at 11:02am and there are 208 comments on the PFT topic by 11:30am. Some people never learn.

  46. pgjimmy says: May 1, 2012 1:52 PM

    @steviemo

    Still, no rings since Spygate. Tell me why, Pats fans….

    You do realize only 5 teams have won the superbowl since the pats did right? Go talk to the 26 other teams that havent won in decades. It’s a hard league to win. Always having the team in a position to win just shows how great the pats organization is.

    Think about it, the jets have won the AFC EAST just twice in 42 years, and pats have made the superbowl 5 times in the last 11 years

    Keep hating and I’ll keep watching this organization compete at a higher level than your favorite team

  47. drewzducks says: May 1, 2012 1:52 PM

    Way to fall back into line John. I’m seeing a Godfather analogy here in which Vito (BB) has to lecture Sonny (JH) about never letting anyone outside the Family know what you’re thinking.

  48. niquebchillin says: May 1, 2012 1:52 PM

    Harbaugh loses points for this … Man up …

  49. bozosforall says: May 1, 2012 1:53 PM

    rushmatic says:
    May 1, 2012 1:37 PM
    Now I REALLY think he’s an idiot.

    At first, I accepted that’s how he felt about my team. Now, pffff. GTFO.

    And for the jealous bunch, we get it — “CHEATING” sounds better than taping from an illegal part of the field.

    __
    Jealous bunch? You referring to Boston baseball fans who have had nearly a century of blatant jealousy towards the Yankees?

    And as for “CHEATING”, it sounds better because it’s an accurate descriptor of what the Pats did.

  50. meepein says: May 1, 2012 1:53 PM

    I wonder how Mr. Harbaugh’s foot tastes, and if he added any condiments to make it taste a little better…

  51. infectorman says: May 1, 2012 1:54 PM

    Taping from the sidelines was LEGAL throughout the entire NE SB run…

    WHY???? is this so difficult to understand.

    Of all people, a current HC of an NFL team should’ve known this prior to opening his mouth….

  52. clw1906 says: May 1, 2012 1:55 PM

    ravenator says:
    May 1, 2012 1:44 PM
    Sorry, I know how disappointed you finger-pointing maniacs must be. In the end though, Ravens are the epitome of a first-class organization.

    And before any of you Pittsburgh trolls come barreling through, Steelers were swept, and Tebow’d by a backup QB. AFCN belongs to the Ravens.

     Yeah u tell em. And if they don’t believe it we will get Ray Ray to shank them! Ravens Baby!!

  53. ampats says: May 1, 2012 1:55 PM

    Does anyone want to consider that before September 1,2006 when Roger Goodell became commissioner that the rule from where/what teams videotape did not exist?

  54. rexryanstoecheese says: May 1, 2012 1:56 PM

    can’t unscramble the egg now, Johnny boy

  55. jimyritz says: May 1, 2012 1:57 PM

    At least have the stones to stick by what you said…

  56. goodolebaghead says: May 1, 2012 1:57 PM

    I’ve said this once, and I’ll say it a thousand times. The Saints weren’t cheating. Nothing they did in the bounty scandal unfairly gave them an edge in game. The legal hits weren’t called, the illegal hits were. They broke rules of the league, but not of the game. Please stop thinking the Saints cheated and didn’t earn their championship. Dirty or not, they played entirely inside the box.

  57. mornelithe says: May 1, 2012 1:58 PM

    He really didn’t need to backtrack, simply reiterate what he’d already said. Just like anyone accused of a crime is always considered with suspicion because of that accusation (even if exonerated), it’s guilt by association, regardless of the truth.

    Of course, it doesn’t help that news agencies will make provocative headlines from statements taken out of context in order to whip up fan bases.

    I understand what Harbaugh meant, of course, I don’t assume everything published on PFT is 100% accurate either.

  58. moagecu says: May 1, 2012 1:58 PM

    He is not back peddling, he’s just making his comments more clear for all the uneducated partiots fans to understand.

    Everyone else understood what he was saying just fine.

  59. clarkisgod says: May 1, 2012 1:58 PM

    I read the 1st comment from John, and I didn’t percieve him as calling the Pat’s out either. I agree that he was saying what others think.

  60. mattwalshvideo says: May 1, 2012 1:59 PM

    The patriots are still cheating to this day, just saying.

  61. patriots123456 says: May 1, 2012 1:59 PM

    The filming of the NY Jets hand signals on the sideline took place in the first half of the first game of the season. So how much advantage could that have been?

    The Patriots were caught and paid the price. They went on to finish the regular season at 16 & 0.

    They also beat the Ravens in one of the last games that season.

    Harbaugh as an NFL head coach shouldn’t make statements he has to back peddle on the same day.

    His * for that year didn’t cause his defeat, he lost plain & simple. Just like he got knocked out of the last Superbowl by the Patriots.

  62. citizenstrange says: May 1, 2012 2:00 PM

    Harbaugh is sure getting his aerobic workout with this all this backpedaling.

    Do you think his stationary bike has a hook or basket or something where he can put his purse?

  63. kh221 says: May 1, 2012 2:00 PM

    Truthfully, Patriots cheated & Saints had bounties… both disgrace their franchises and tarnished wins.

  64. tfbuckfutter says: May 1, 2012 2:00 PM

    Looks like someone is angling to be the next head coach of the New Yet Jerks.

  65. sj39 says: May 1, 2012 2:01 PM

    They cheated on a grand scale. Why do you think the tapes were destroyed, so Belichick wouldn’t sneak into the NFL offices and steal them back? It was so the public would never see the heinous extent to which the (at the time) the darling NFL coach of the darling NFL team with the darling NFL owner and quarterback cheated. Godell was protecting the shields image but anyone with a lick of sense knows they cheated and cheated big.

  66. eloylaflare says: May 1, 2012 2:02 PM

    Be a man and own it…lost a lot of respect for Harbaugh…coward

  67. 92and94and51and56 says: May 1, 2012 2:03 PM

    Harbaugh looks pretty tainted himself now. Perfect leader for a gang of little punks who haven’t won anything in over a decade.

  68. dyims says: May 1, 2012 2:03 PM

    He just brought moon-walking to a brand new height.

  69. fashlol says: May 1, 2012 2:04 PM

    at the time of the pats superbowl titles filming signals was not illegal.

  70. fsf7 says: May 1, 2012 2:06 PM

    Spygate and Bountygate were all about the NFL Image. Sometimes people are very easily influenced, going along with the mob mentality instead of doing real research for themselves.

    Spygate/Patriots – was swept under the rug. The damage was done and could not be undone. It would have been an image nightmare for the NFL if it were revealed that the Patriots gained a significant advantage to win championships that were not legitimate. The NFL has powerful influence with the networks ESPN, CBS, NBC or FOX who broadcast their games and that influence was exherted to downplay and dismiss Spygate.

    Bountygate/Saints – was thrown under the bus. It had nothing to do with gaining an unfair competitve advantage, it was every bit about image that Spygate was, except the NFL wanted it to be largely covered because of the lawsuits against the NFL by former players. This is all about image, but in the opposite way – the NFL wants it largely known.

    How much did the Patriots benefit from Spygate? Nobody will ever know for certain, but it is curious how a team that only has one Hall of Fame player (Tom Brady) set the NFL record with 22 consecutive wins and won 3 Super Bowls in 4 years…..

  71. dvdman123 says: May 1, 2012 2:06 PM

    Now I’ve lost respect for him. I guess he got a call from the Darth Goodell.

  72. hookem6903 says: May 1, 2012 2:08 PM

    steviemo says: May 1, 2012 1:37 PM

    Still, no rings since Spygate. Tell me why, Pats fans….

    ***********************************************
    Because of two dropped passes – one by Asante Samuel, one by Wes Welker. If Spygate really is the reason they won those titles, how would they have gotten so close to two more?

  73. dvdman123 says: May 1, 2012 2:09 PM

    He can say all he wants now…the bottom line is that he said it. The Patriots WILL ALWAYS have an asterick by their title in the minds of not just many but millions. No other way to look at it….they just cheated.

  74. thewholetruth34 says: May 1, 2012 2:09 PM

    So many people with short memories here, saying the Ravens need to get another QB and the Pats own the Ravens.
    Sure Flacco isn’t top tier, but in the AFC championship game he outplayed Tom Brady (check the stats http://scores.espn.go.com/nfl/boxscore?gameId=320122017) and threw a perfect back shoulder pass to Lee Evans that should’ve been caught.
    And in the playoff game two years ago, the Ravens stomped the Pats at Foxboro.
    So there really is no Pats “ownage” considering these games. With these outcomes you can’t say Harbaugh “fears” Belichick. I think he legitimately respects the Pats as an opponent now, but probably meant what he said regarding Spygate.

  75. jwh8541 says: May 1, 2012 2:10 PM

    ampats says: May 1, 2012 1:55 PM

    Does anyone want to consider that before September 1,2006 when Roger Goodell became commissioner that the rule from where/what teams videotape did not exist?

    And? Filming your opponents practice to gain advantage was okay because there wasn’t a specific rule against it?

    They won some close title games and since no cheating they lost 2 close title games. That is not a coincidence. They can’t get it done without that extra advantage.

    I laughed at the crestfallen faces of the owner and the coach as the superbowl ended, just what they deserve: close but no cigar.

  76. frankrizzo51 says: May 1, 2012 2:11 PM

    Crybaby AND coward.

  77. upyoursnfu says: May 1, 2012 2:11 PM

    Typical. What a scumbag.

  78. rockthered1286 says: May 1, 2012 2:12 PM

    For anyone who thinks he did this under his own accord, you’re a complete moron just looking for a reason to bash Harbs. This is clearly a PR move by the Ravens, just as any coach/team in the NFL would be doing in the same boat. Don’t act all high and mighty like “my team would never do that…” because your full of it. Coach has to do what the boss man says regardless.

    In the meantime, please continue to talk about my coach who boasts a 44-20 regular season record, 5-4 post season record with 2 AFC Championships under his belt in just 4 years as HC of the Ravens. You think he fueled up the Pats? You know he’s reading PFT, and you know damn well he’s using this as fodder for the team as well….

  79. kevpft says: May 1, 2012 2:13 PM

    Why the fuss, commenters? He was right both times. He was right that the negative stuff will always be associated with these coaches, and he’s right that they earned their wins.

    Both things are true. He said one thing, and then said more to make sure he wasn’t being interpreted only in one narrow way.

    No need for the junior-high drama. People obsess too much about every word and the soap-opera drama that media has become.

  80. gromgrimfist says: May 1, 2012 2:13 PM

    say what you want pats fan you cheated to get your rings and would have lost your superbowls without it probably never made it there since you got caught how many rings do you have oh ya none

  81. threegriffons says: May 1, 2012 2:14 PM

    Pats fan here.

    I’ll admit it, the Patriots cheated.
    (filming from point A. instead of point B. All teams film from point B. now.)

    ONE GAME
    (filming from point A. was ok before 2007)
    We got busted, we took our punishment.

    Also the reason we got punished is because we didn’t cooperate with Goodell.
    Since then, the Jets have been caught twice and the Broncos once from filming point A.

    But what i really want to know is….
    So how does that taint previous games?

  82. easternshoresfinest says: May 1, 2012 2:16 PM

    The Patriots backed into that last Superbowl. Shouldn’t have been there.

  83. rtk23 says: May 1, 2012 2:17 PM

    How can’t any of his players as well as ravens fans even respect this guy now? What a total p*$$.

  84. craigmaitland says: May 1, 2012 2:18 PM

    Not sure why the Patriots get defended so heavily. They cheat(ed). Were caught cheating, and got a slap on the wrist for it. Spygate, Steroids(Rodney Harrison). PROVEN FACTUAL CHEATING. Not to mention the obvious use of PEDs by Gronk, bellicheck cheating on his wife etc… scum bag organization, scum bag team. What he said before was right there should be an asterix because THEY WERE CAUGHT CHEETING!

  85. kronix7 says: May 1, 2012 2:19 PM

    Being abjective here. What the Patriots did was cheating no matter how insignificant it was. I have a ton of respect for that franchise. It’s a well coached team with a first ballad QB into the HOF. I love to hate them because they are so good. As far as the Saints* go I have no respect for that franchise what so ever. The Patriots didn’t have to be warned to stop like the Saints* were. The Patriots got the message and are still a winning franchise. Nothing better than to watch Manning and the Colts square off against Brady and the Patriots for the past decade. To have that kind of rivarly and not be in the same division was outstanding football. Teams in the same division never had a rivarly like that.

  86. upyoursnfu says: May 1, 2012 2:19 PM

    He choked on his words like he chokes in big games

  87. 92and94and51and56 says: May 1, 2012 2:20 PM

    rockthered1286 says:
    May 1, 2012 2:12 PM

    In the meantime, please continue to talk about my coach who boasts a 44-20 regular season record, 5-4 post season record with 2 AFC Championships under his belt…and 0 rings…in just 4 years as HC of the Ravens.

    Fixed.

  88. cannonballdookie says: May 1, 2012 2:20 PM

    They earned them… by cheating…

  89. kronix7 says: May 1, 2012 2:22 PM

    Jim and John Harbaugh are going to be great coaches in their own right. I can see championships in both of their futures.

  90. NakedCowboy! says: May 1, 2012 2:25 PM

    like it or not…. win it or not… pats and BB will be in or around SB every year… with or without spygate… fact of life…
    haters can sock it!

  91. jonkoethe says: May 1, 2012 2:25 PM

    yeah, they earned them through hours of film study

  92. bozosforall says: May 1, 2012 2:26 PM

    patriots123456 says:
    May 1, 2012 1:59 PM
    The filming of the NY Jets hand signals on the sideline took place in the first half of the first game of the season. So how much advantage could that have been?

    The Patriots were caught and paid the price. They went on to finish the regular season at 16 & 0.

    They also beat the Ravens in one of the last games that season.

    Harbaugh as an NFL head coach shouldn’t make statements he has to back peddle on the same day.

    His * for that year didn’t cause his defeat, he lost plain & simple. Just like he got knocked out of the last Superbowl by the Patriots.

    __
    Belichick turned over illegal tapes to the Commish dating back to 2000. So it’s not just “one game” that was taped illegal, idiot Pats fan.

  93. bozosforall says: May 1, 2012 2:27 PM

    threegriffons says:
    May 1, 2012 2:14 PM
    Pats fan here.

    I’ll admit it, the Patriots cheated.
    (filming from point A. instead of point B. All teams film from point B. now.)

    ONE GAME
    (filming from point A. was ok before 2007)
    We got busted, we took our punishment.

    Also the reason we got punished is because we didn’t cooperate with Goodell.
    Since then, the Jets have been caught twice and the Broncos once from filming point A.

    But what i really want to know is….
    So how does that taint previous games?

    __
    Belichick turned over illegal tapes to the Commish dating back to 2000. So it’s not just “one game” that was taped illegally, idiot Pats fan.

  94. bullcharger says: May 1, 2012 2:27 PM

    kh221 says:May 1, 2012 2:00 PM

    Truthfully, Patriots cheated & Saints had bounties… both disgrace their franchises and tarnished wins.

    ————

    If you write “Truthfully” in front of sentence does that make it more true?

    Neither franchise has been disgraced. To judge objectively look at franchise value. From 2007 to 2011 the Patriots franchise value increased by 200 million. The saints 120 million over the same period. Both franchises are doing better than ever.

  95. flash1283 says: May 1, 2012 2:29 PM

    thewholetruth34 says: May 1, 2012 2:09 PM

    So many people with short memories here, saying the Ravens need to get another QB and the Pats own the Ravens.
    Sure Flacco isn’t top tier, but in the AFC championship game he outplayed Tom Brady (check the stats http://scores.espn.go.com/nfl/boxscore?gameId=320122017) and threw a perfect back shoulder pass to Lee Evans that should’ve been caught.
    And in the playoff game two years ago, the Ravens stomped the Pats at Foxboro.
    So there really is no Pats “ownage” considering these games. With these outcomes you can’t say Harbaugh “fears” Belichick. I think he legitimately respects the Pats as an opponent now, but probably meant what he said regarding Spygate.

    ———–

    The Patriots are 7-1 vs the Ravens, yes they own them!!

  96. giantsfan2104 says: May 1, 2012 2:31 PM

    Way to pull a 180 in record time, Harbaugh,
    I think you beat Mitt Romney’s record.

  97. sj39 says: May 1, 2012 2:32 PM

    Why did they destroy the tapes?

  98. sickpuppyz says: May 1, 2012 2:33 PM

    To all brain dead monkeys out there who learned to ask why haven’t the Pats won a SB since Spygate:

    Since 2007 scandal the Giants (2), Packers and New Bounty Saints are the only teams to have one a championship! So unless you are a fan of the Pack or G-Men you should first ask why hasn’t your team won a Sb either! Some of you have never seen your team win anything. As for those who have previously won, was it due to video taping being ended that you have nothing to show since 07? A perfect example is the Steelers who won 2 SB in the years preceding Spygate.

    So stop asking foolish questions and get back in the cave!
    A more compelling argument is the fact that the Pats did advance to two SB since Spygate, including a perfect regular season. Their record in reg season is actually better over the same number of years prior to Spygate. Explain that!

  99. gingerkid2000 says: May 1, 2012 2:34 PM

    Harbaugh would have served himself better by just answering the question that was asked in the 1st place instead of continuing to harp and embellish on a team that has beaten his Ravens more times since “spygate” the he would care to admit.

  100. slammincamnewton says: May 1, 2012 2:36 PM

    Spying on signals or employing a murderer, every team cheats in their own way.

  101. sickpuppyz says: May 1, 2012 2:36 PM

    you may also add that the Pats reg season record being better also comes during 1 lost year for Brady. no losing seasons. Only one missed playoff season with an 11-5 record and Brady being out. 4 division championships….despite losing a 1st pick.
    The Pats remain an elite NFL team and you may not like it but stop looking like a ridiculous bunch of whiners and deal with it!

  102. careerender56 says: May 1, 2012 2:37 PM

    rc33 says:May 1, 2012 1:47 PM

    steviemo says: May 1, 2012 1:37 PM

    Still, no rings since Spygate. Tell me why, Pats fans….

    _________________________________________

    Same reason youres hasn’t won eitehr, its a hard thing to do.

    by that logic htey should have won every superbowl before spygate.

    come back with something better after you finish your homework.

  103. ottograham says: May 1, 2012 2:37 PM

    they cheated… nuff said

    @ravenator: get a life… your average comments and lack of wit and insight will not get you laid.

  104. bullcharger says: May 1, 2012 2:39 PM

    easternshoresfinest says:May 1, 2012 2:16 PM

    The Patriots backed into that last Superbowl. Shouldn’t have been there.

    ———————-

    Which one? Do you mean against Philly? If so that was the Patriots best team of their entire run. Dillon made them dominant that season and they were the most balanced they have ever been.

  105. thetruth1313 says: May 1, 2012 2:42 PM

    As a Patriots fan- all I can say is haters gonna hate.

    But what I do know is that there are 3 very shiny Lombardi trophies beautifully housed in the Patriots Hall of Fame. I have seen them several times and I havent even noticed the tiniest smudge.

    And to me, thats all that matters.

  106. drexelvol says: May 1, 2012 2:43 PM

    Yeah, funny how they haven’t won one since they got busted.

  107. daboltfan says: May 1, 2012 2:44 PM

    Such bull crap. How quick was the PR for the ravens calling up Rbaugh after PFT posted it first story on the radio? Unless PFT paraphrased the conversation negatively. There’s is no way he can go from they’re tainted to oh no other people think that they are tainted. regardless let’s all thank him for giving use a distraction just before our lunch hour starts.

  108. blacknole08 says: May 1, 2012 2:46 PM

    Sounds like he is jealous

  109. Steeler's Will says: May 1, 2012 2:46 PM

    This is damage control, not backpedaling.

  110. chawk12thman says: May 1, 2012 2:47 PM

    “Thanks for the call John, but your to late. You already have my team fired up for week #3……..It is going to be hard to play weeks #1 & #2 with them focused directly on your team…..Thanks alot!” – Coach Bill

  111. bullcharger says: May 1, 2012 2:47 PM

    steviemo says:May 1, 2012 1:37 PM

    Still, no rings since Spygate. Tell me why, Pats fans….

    ————

    There is no reason. Teams just have to compete every year and hope for the best.

    28 teams have no rings since Spygate. The Patriots at least have won 2 AFC championships in that time. Better than all other AFC teams with the exception of the Steelers who won two AFCCGs and a Super Bowl in that stretch.

  112. zackattack006 says: May 1, 2012 2:48 PM

    Coward! This is football!! No apologies accepted!!

  113. jonasgrumbyoftx says: May 1, 2012 2:48 PM

    Me. Tempest in a teapot.

  114. patsfiend says: May 1, 2012 2:50 PM

    Just circled week 3 on the calendar. Can I just fast forward through Summer?

  115. sj39 says: May 1, 2012 2:51 PM

    Can one of you cheater lovers with all your thumbs down please enlighten the rest of us as to why Goodell destroyed the tapes if it wasn’t to cover up the severity of the cheating? Can you give a better explanation? Well, can you?

  116. bozosforall says: May 1, 2012 2:53 PM

    infectorman says:
    May 1, 2012 1:54 PM
    Taping from the sidelines was LEGAL throughout the entire NE SB run…

    WHY???? is this so difficult to understand.

    Of all people, a current HC of an NFL team should’ve known this prior to opening his mouth….

    ampats says:
    May 1, 2012 1:55 PM
    Does anyone want to consider that before September 1,2006 when Roger Goodell became commissioner that the rule from where/what teams videotape did not exist?

    fashlol says:
    May 1, 2012 2:04 PM
    at the time of the pats superbowl titles filming signals was not illegal.

    __
    Wrong, Three Stooges…it’s been illegal since the rule book was revised right after the 1970 NFL-AFL merger. [Article IX, 9.1(C)(14)]

  117. Nevis says: May 1, 2012 2:54 PM

    Jim wouldn’t have backed down.

  118. bozosforall says: May 1, 2012 2:55 PM

    92and94and51and56 says:
    May 1, 2012 2:20 PM
    rockthered1286 says:
    May 1, 2012 2:12 PM

    In the meantime, please continue to talk about my coach who boasts a 44-20 regular season record, 5-4 post season record with 2 AFC Championships under his belt…and 0 rings…in just 4 years as HC of the Ravens.

    Fixed.

    __
    Better than Belichick did…with the SAME franchise (Ravens were the former Browns).

  119. jpb12 says: May 1, 2012 2:56 PM

    I think John Harbaugh must walk to the first tee with an extra golf ball in his pocket and a mulligan in mind.

    Kind of embarrassing that he had to call the genius and apologize.

    I smell and old fashioned beat down coming in week 3.

    No apologies.

  120. mister12 says: May 1, 2012 2:56 PM

    If thats how you feel Johnny Ha, just roll with it.
    What they eat dont make you $h!t…

  121. dirtierwater says: May 1, 2012 2:59 PM

    This would be the 2nd time in 3 months where Harbaugh should have called a timeout before proceeding.

  122. gweez76 says: May 1, 2012 2:59 PM

    Proof is in the pudding. How many SBs have they won since the NFL told Em to quit cheating?

    Case closed.

  123. matt14gg says: May 1, 2012 3:00 PM

    I’m a Patriots fan, but do you people know how stupid it sounds when you say, ‘…he’s backpedaling because he knows he has to play the Patriots next season…’. I know you people think Belichick is Ghandi, but he cheated and got caught. Trust me, some coach slightly hinting at Spygate will have absolutely ZERO effect on next year’s game. The other side of that is the idiots that say BB and the Pats haven’t won anything since Spygate and therefore they won three SB’s because they cheated. They were a Welker drop over the middle from winning the SB last season and have been to two SB’s since the scandal. They haven’t won, but not cheating had ZERO to do with them not winning. Two dropped balls did.

  124. imodan says: May 1, 2012 3:01 PM

    gromgrimfist says:May 1, 2012 2:13 PM

    say what you want pats fan you cheated to get your rings and would have lost your superbowls without it probably never made it there since you got caught how many rings do you have oh ya none
    Awesome sentence structure! I am sure you had a point in there somewhere.

  125. realdealsteel says: May 1, 2012 3:03 PM

    steviemo says:
    May 1, 2012 1:37 PM
    Still, no rings since Spygate. Tell me why, Pats fans….
    ————————————————

    Because they haven’t had a balanced offense since Corey Dillion left. Notice that in the last two Super Bowls they’ve played, the defenses have limited the passing game. And if you don’t have a running game to keep the defense honest, then you can’t function as you normally would. But it has nothing to do with being able to spy on someone. You asked, and I provided an answer.

  126. garyman1 says: May 1, 2012 3:03 PM

    This has Belichick running up the score against them written all over it next time they play.

  127. philvil41 says: May 1, 2012 3:04 PM

    Yeah they”earned” their win vs. Oakland in the tuck rule game.Biggest ripoff in NFL history.Yes, 100% there is an * next to their wins in the SB,certainly the first one.Never has a team deserved less to be in the SB than after the tuck game.Get this straight-THEY LOST THAT GAME,anyone with eyes could see that.One more thing to all the idiots who say the Raiders still had chances to win the game after the blown call-which it was,EVERYTHING that happened after the call is a moot point.The Raiders did everything that they needed to do for a victory,THEN it was stolen from them.If you disagree with this you simply are stupid and know nothing about football.

  128. shaunypoo says: May 1, 2012 3:06 PM

    He is already looking forward to a future career in politics.

  129. anthony20031 says: May 1, 2012 3:09 PM

    Just to leave some stuff here: “After footage from the actual tape was aired on Fox NFL Sunday on September 16, former Dallas Cowboys head coach Jimmy Johnson claimed, “This is exactly how I was told to do it 18 years ago by a Kansas City Chiefs scout. I tried it, but I didn’t think it helped us.” Johnson also said, “Bill Belichick was wrong because he videotaped signals after a memo was sent out to all of the teams saying not to do it. But what irritates me is hearing some reactions from players and coaches. These players don’t know what their coaches are doing. And some of the coaches have selective amnesia because I know for a fact there were various teams doing this. That’s why the memo was sent to everybody. That doesn’t make [Belichick] right, but a lot of teams are doing this.”[24]”

    “However, he denied ever using videotape to gain an advantage while a game was underway, which Goodell also acknowledged”

    “In a September 2006 memorandum sent out by NFL Vice President of Football Operations Ray Anderson, though, all teams were told that “videotaping of any type, including but not limited to taping of an opponent’s offensive or defensive signals, is prohibited on the sidelines, in the coaches’ booth, in the locker room, or at any other locations accessible to club staff members during the game.””

    “Page 105 of the 2007 NFL Game Operations Manual states”

    “In his annual Super Bowl press conference later on February 1, Goodell said he was “more than willing” to meet with Congress to explain his reasoning behind destroying the tapes, and added he didn’t think the illegal videotaping incident “tainted [the Patriots’] accomplishments”

    “Goodell reiterated these beliefs in a January 31 memorandum to Specter while also adding the NFL had no evidence the Patriots improperly taped the Eagles’ signals during Super Bowl XXXIX.”

    “Steelers chairman Dan Rooney rebuffed Specter, stating that “We consider the tapes of our coaching staff during our games against the New England Patriots to be a non-issue. In our opinion, they had no impact on the results of those games”

    “all the taping the Patriots did was in plain view”

    “In the interview, Belichick also addressed his interpretation of Article 9 of the NFL Constitution and Bylaws, which the Patriots were penalized for violating. Belichick believed the taping was legal as long as the tape wasn’t used during the same game, saying “my interpretation was that you can’t utilize anything to assist you during that game. What our camera guys do is clearly not allowed to be used during the game and has never been used during that game that it was shot.”[7] He also added the team using the tapes for “halftime adjustments” was “never, never” the case. Once the Patriots were penalized, Belichick said, “the practice was immediately stopped.”[7] He also issued an apology for not contacting the league regarding his interpretation of a “gray area” in the rule and called the incident “my responsibility.”[7]

    Later, during the NFL’s owners meetings on April 1, 2008, Belichick said that the team had taken the situation as “a positive,” modifying organization procedures so that “everything is being done on a more efficient and more accountable basis” so that a similar situation would never again arise.[40] On the same day, Belichick and Kraft both gave private addresses to all other NFL owners and coaches, in which Kraft apologized for the illegal filming and Belichick reiterated his belief that he thought the filming was within the rules.[41] Indianapolis Colts head coach Tony Dungy called the speeches “heartfelt,” while Colts president Bill Polian said the gesture was “typical of the class [Kraft] has.”

    “Walsh told Goodell in the meeting that there was no tape of the Rams’ walkthrough before Super Bowl XXXVI, that nobody asked Walsh to tape it, and that Walsh was not aware of anyone else who had taped it”

    “Further, Walsh revealed to Goodell that the tapes of the signals stayed with Walsh throughout the game, were not processed during halftime, and were given to Patriots Football Research Director Ernie Adams after the game”

    In the press conference, Specter also noted that Walsh, while taping signals during a game against the Jets, stood next to a Jets videographer who, to Walsh, also appeared to be taping signals.[65] Walsh later elaborated, saying the Jets cameraman was angling his camera towards the Patriots sidelines, and that Walsh did not question him about his activity because Walsh knew he himself was doing the same thing.[53] Walsh later advised then-defensive coordinator Romeo Crennel to change the team’s signals in light of the event

    Everyone needs to get over this. It’s just laughable people hold onto it. It was widely done as the rule was not very concise UNTIL after the 2006 season was over.

  130. infectorman says: May 1, 2012 3:10 PM

    Hey BOZO:

    All us Clam-chowder heads have been waiting for you to endow your grand wisdom upon us for weeks, months, perhaps even years about one question:

    Why, if it was legal to tape from the sidelines ALL THE WAY up to the beginning of the 2007 UNDEFEATED season, are those SB’s tainted?
    It doesn’t matter how many games they taped signals for dufus: IT WAS LEGAL THEN, GET IT?
    L E G A L…..
    All we hear from you on that point is…….crickets.
    Same from your Hater Domain minions who can’t think a single original thought for themselves. Just HATE

    BTW: your grossly overstated, over-generalized, stereotypical assaults on Boston Red Sox fans were all relegated NULL&VOID somewhere around the date of October, 2004.
    We don’t care about the
    ORIGINAL MERCENARY TEAM – NYY anymore. Its over. Suck on that, H-Moe!

    Find some new material, for the Love of all that is found within the sacred American baseball diamond.

  131. CKL says: May 1, 2012 3:11 PM

    Dang…he clarified it! I get a chuckle thinking about how constant whiners about cameragte like Hampton, Ward, Clark & Harrison much have felt kind of icky agreeing with a Ravens coach. :D

  132. castleanthrax says: May 1, 2012 3:11 PM

    Why does bozosforall keep bringing up Baseball and baseball fans in Boston?

    Baseball sucks…who f’ing cares about baseball.

    Great, the Yankees are a better franchise that the Red Sox, whoopdeefriggindoo. Did you get your cookie yet?

  133. unbreakable02215 says: May 1, 2012 3:12 PM

    Stupid Sh#ts. I’ve never seen a better Fred
    Astaire routine. They went to 2 Superbowls
    AFTER Spygate ! LOL.

  134. frankiemontana says: May 1, 2012 3:12 PM

    and as a Raider fan the tuck rule game should have an *, because it was then and it still is a FUMBLE,

  135. JakeDSnake says: May 1, 2012 3:15 PM

    You can no longer compare Johnnie to Rex – Rex doesn’t put his own foot in his mouth and he doesn’t kiss Belichick’s rings.

  136. moagecu says: May 1, 2012 3:16 PM

    ottograham says:
    May 1, 2012 2:37 PM
    they cheated… nuff said

    @ravenator: get a life… your average comments and lack of wit and insight will not get you laid.
    _____

    And commenting on peoples sex life on the internet will?

    Go get a life.

  137. jagfan8030 says: May 1, 2012 3:17 PM

    There cheaters and IMO they shouldn’t have them rings

  138. scottytboltfan says: May 1, 2012 3:19 PM

    If you earn wins by cheating, then yes the Pats earned their superbowls.

  139. rexryanstoecheese says: May 1, 2012 3:22 PM

    @castleanthrax

    Not only that, as I understand it, the Yankees are a better Baseball Franchise than EVERY other franchise.
    What is the point?

    Every city has its share of fans that bemoan about one heartbreaking sports moment or another.
    Nothing to see here..
    As you so aptly put it castleanthrax: whoopdefriggindoo!

  140. nolasoxfan2012 says: May 1, 2012 3:24 PM

    While the Patriots have a winning culture, the Ravens have a whining culture. When the Pats beat the Ravens, the Ravens whine about the refs. When their unprepared kicker shanks it, one of their coaches suggests Belichick masterminded the whole thing. When Brady asks for a flag, the Ravens whine. Whine, whine, whine. On and on it goes…

  141. grogansheroes says: May 1, 2012 3:26 PM

    steviemo says:
    May 1, 2012 1:37 PM
    Still, no rings since Spygate. Tell me why, Pats fans….
    ___________________________
    McGinest, Vrable, Bruschi, Law, Harrison, Phipher, Johnson, and other defensive stalwarts got old and retired.

  142. thraiderskin says: May 1, 2012 3:26 PM

    I’m pretty sure this is all just blown out of proportion. He was referencing how damaging it can be to be caught cheating, in any facet. All of you on here have seen the posts how the Pats can’t win without doing it and obviously Harbaugh reads this site. His comments, even in written form, don’t scream “butt hurt.” He was and did make a very valid point on why cheating just isn’t worth it. I know how most people on this site love playing the “I gotchya” game, but lets be honest, after a while it sounds like nothing more than jealousy.

  143. kh221 says: May 1, 2012 3:27 PM

    bullcharger says:
    May 1, 2012 2:27 PM
    If you write “Truthfully” in front of sentence does that make it more true?

    Neither franchise has been disgraced. To judge objectively look at franchise value. From 2007 to 2011 the Patriots franchise value increased by 200 million. The saints 120 million over the same period. Both franchises are doing better than ever.

    —————————————–

    What does value have to do with disgrace? One team being coached to injure and get paid for it. Another with a cameraman who tapes signals so they can watch them later. Yup, all part of a couple crooked teams.

  144. ampats says: May 1, 2012 3:28 PM

    castleanthrax,

    bozo keeps bringing up baseball because his favorite team is the steroidtainted NYYankees with their poster child pitcher Roger Clemens.

    Its other favorite team is LSU. Bill Belichick’s buddy Nick Saban trashed his dream of a National Championship.

    It is obvious that bozo obsesses on anything related to Boston because sometime in its life someone /something from Boston destroyed or hurt bozo’s feeling otherwise we wouldn’t see the multiple rants from this insecure clown.

  145. andyreidisarrogantandfat says: May 1, 2012 3:28 PM

    the apology afterwards is worse than the first statement. what’s wrong johnny you afraid billy is going to beat you up after school. come on man. Loved the guy before this but this wreaks of fear of the big bad bully. man up john.

  146. pens5829 says: May 1, 2012 3:31 PM

    ravenator says: May 1, 2012 1:44 PM

    Sorry, I know how disappointed you finger-pointing maniacs must be. In the end though, Ravens are the epitome of a first-class organization.

    And before any of you Pittsburgh trolls come barreling through, Steelers were swept, and Tebow’d by a backup QB. AFCN belongs to the Ravens.

    ************************************

    Who let the moron on the computer again? Mike? Was it you?

    This article has nothing to do with the Steelers. Get a life loser!

  147. theytukrjobs says: May 1, 2012 3:32 PM

    What Harbaugh said is spot on and true. We don’t know if their cheating was restricted to just the things that they denied doing until proven guilty. We don’t know if they’d have won the super bowls anyways. Butterfly effect anyone?

    But what we do know is that those organizations were willing to cheat, they did cheat, they denied doing it, and getting caught was the only thing that could stop them from doing it. They displayed a contempt for playing by the rules. They showed us that they’d do anything to win as long as they believed they could get away with it. And they would have gotten away with it if not for disgruntled former employees blowing the whistle on their ways.

    We know this. And knowledge of this will always taint their accomplishments, even if the cheating provided only a minimal advantage.

    (Though I do believe that if the Saints hadn’t intentionally hobbled Farve early in the game that the Vikings would have won that game, rather than lost by 5 yards. So in that case if you ignore butterfly effect then no they couldn’t have done it, obviously)

  148. ahostiletakeover says: May 1, 2012 3:37 PM

    Damage control by the Ravens front office, I guarantee you Bisciotti told him to do this. When I first saw the article earlier, I said “its the truth, but I really wish you hadn’t opened this can of worms.” In this era of journalistic “integrity”, the he said she said headlines will always dominate everything over actual news. Now seeing this, I am even more disappointed in this statement than I was with him saying what everyone but two fanbases already knows.

    Also, I love the morons who think this is bulletin board material for the Pats. Regardless of the Pats coming out on the winning end most meetings, they’ve never beat the Ravens by more than 4. Keep dreaming about landslides of points you sycophants..

  149. elitekane says: May 1, 2012 3:38 PM

    I don’t care about any haters. We will win another one, maybe two. At the end of the day regardless Bill Belichick is one of the best coaches ever. Tom Brady is one of the best QB’s of all time. We still have our rings and they haven’t been taken away. I can live with that.

  150. metitometin says: May 1, 2012 3:39 PM

    I’m not buying his apology at all. I hate to break the news to Harbaugh, who seems like the most naive, stupid person on the face of the earth, but EVERY team cheats. EVERY team is looking to gain an edge. Goodell sent that memo about videotaping to EVERY team in the NFL, not just the Patriots. Maybe Harbaugh should try cheating like EVERY other team in the NFL. He might win something once in awhile. What a loser. Seems like sour grapes to me after his team choked against the Pats in the playoffs. What a loose cannon. He should probably be fired. By the way, Jim, the Pats went 18-0 after the videotaping incident. They’ve won 10 or more games every year since then. What a classless, disgusting thing to bring up.

  151. joeygoesglobal says: May 1, 2012 3:52 PM

    I took his original comments to be exactly what he’s saying now and I can’t understand why more people didn’t see it that way. I thought it was clear that he was talking about the perception because he was asked about cheating scandals. Things can be tainted even if the reason they’re tainted isn’t true.

    And besides… everyone acts like they want coaches and players to speak their minds more and not give boring cliche answers and when they do everyone acts like they are talking out of their ass.

    The guy did an interview and answered a question it wasn’t like he went looking for a microphone and said these things just to say them… I think some of you forget that these are radio shows.

  152. tedmurph says: May 1, 2012 3:52 PM

    Some of you have made some very well thought out arguments about the Pats cheating, the record since getting punished, etc. My question is : why respond to these people? There are 4 types:
    1. Idiots like clownboy and sj. They get some perverse pleasure in getting a rise out of you. Prob pulled wings off of flies when they were kids. Don’t bother. They crave the attention.
    2. The ones who don’t know the facts, nor want to know them. Such as the Pats taped practices or walkthroughs or taping from the sidelines was illegal during the SB yrs. Tell them a million times, they won’t hear you. Don’t bother.
    3. Fans of the long list of teams the Pats have beaten in big games. Any excuse, so they don’t have to admit the Pats were a better, more well coached team than their team on that day.
    4. The guys that know the facts and just have the opinion that the Pats aren’t legit(vast minority of haters). They’re entitled. You’re not gonna convince them either. Harbaugh was right, whiner that he is, they’re always gonna be there. As are the Pats Lombardys.

  153. chrisjohnston10 says: May 1, 2012 3:53 PM

    Since 1994, there have only been two seasons where the Patriots have had a losing record. Keep hating while I sit back and watch the most talented team in the league. :-)

  154. aljack88 says: May 1, 2012 3:55 PM

    philvil41 says:
    May 1, 2012 3:04 PM
    Yeah they”earned” their win vs. Oakland in the tuck rule game.Biggest ripoff in NFL history.Yes, 100% there is an * next to their wins in the SB,certainly the first one.Never has a team deserved less to be in the SB than after the tuck game.Get this straight-THEY LOST THAT GAME,anyone with eyes could see that.One more thing to all the idiots who say the Raiders still had chances to win the game after the blown call-which it was,EVERYTHING that happened after the call is a moot point.The Raiders did everything that they needed to do for a victory,THEN it was stolen from them.If you disagree with this you simply are stupid and know nothing about football.
    ——————————————————–
    After the 1976 Raiders *victory* over the Pats in the playoffs, whatever crap that happens to the Raiders is more than justified.

  155. baltimoresnativeson says: May 1, 2012 3:59 PM

    Man this really touched a nerve with patriots fans. I would worry a little less about coach quotes and a little more about coming to baltimore. Last time brady came to baltimore he almost lost to Kyle Boler. These 2 teams usually play great games, except for the playoff blow out. This should be another great one.

  156. nfl1818 says: May 1, 2012 3:59 PM

    robert831 says:
    May 1, 2012 1:43 PM
    Well they are tainted without question. Facts are facts.

    Since its so obvious and simple to you, please enlighten us with the “facts.”

  157. doctorfootball says: May 1, 2012 4:00 PM

    The Patriots “earned” those Super Bowls in the same way that Nixon “earned” his re-election.

  158. lusdawg says: May 1, 2012 4:05 PM

    Did Harbaugh forget to mention this little gem when he was asked about bounties in the interview?

    http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3659317

  159. bozosforall says: May 1, 2012 4:07 PM

    infectorman says:
    May 1, 2012 3:10 PM
    Hey BOZO:

    All us Clam-chowder heads have been waiting for you to endow your grand wisdom upon us for weeks, months, perhaps even years about one question:

    Why, if it was legal to tape from the sidelines ALL THE WAY up to the beginning of the 2007 UNDEFEATED season, are those SB’s tainted?
    It doesn’t matter how many games they taped signals for dufus: IT WAS LEGAL THEN, GET IT?
    L E G A L…..
    All we hear from you on that point is…….crickets.
    Same from your Hater Domain minions who can’t think a single original thought for themselves. Just HATE

    BTW: your grossly overstated, over-generalized, stereotypical assaults on Boston Red Sox fans were all relegated NULL&VOID somewhere around the date of October, 2004.
    We don’t care about the
    ORIGINAL MERCENARY TEAM – NYY anymore. Its over. Suck on that, H-Moe!

    Find some new material, for the Love of all that is found within the sacred American baseball diamond.

    __
    AIDSinfectedman…it WASN’T legal to tape from the sidelines, moron…the original rule, from the 1970 NFL-AFL merger stated that no videotaping was allowed anywhere on the field, including the sidelines.

    BTW: Red Sox fans can cling to 2004 all they want to, but the rest of us know that you losers still obsess over the Yankees OWNING your franchise for the vast majority of baseball history. Add to that the fact that the New York Giants now OWN the Pats, having beaten them the last two times that they played each other in the Super Bowl.

    And the only H-Moe’s that I see here are you limp-wristed New England fans.

    Don’t need any “new” material, since the original stuff is, and will always be, true. Besides, it continues to work, riling up you crybaby New England losers every time I post it.

  160. rams1999 says: May 1, 2012 4:11 PM

    John is right on the money. The Patriots cheating stains all their titles. The same thing is happening with the Saints. Only that with the Patriots, the nfl tried to sweep it under the rug. I hope the rest of the league takes notice that when you cheat, you will get caught and your titles will be tarnished. As i watched Super Bowl 36 vs Rams, i knew something was up. When i learned of thier cheating i felt better about that loss cause the patriots stole that trophy from the Rams.

  161. hairpie says: May 1, 2012 4:12 PM

    For those of you referencing winning streaks and Championships possibly being “tainted”… you realize the rule wasnt enforced until 2007 and since then the Pats winning % is close to 100 points higher than before taping those 6 plays?

  162. bozosforall says: May 1, 2012 4:17 PM

    tedmurph says:
    May 1, 2012 3:52 PM
    Some of you have made some very well thought out arguments about the Pats cheating, the record since getting punished, etc. My question is : why respond to these people? There are 4 types:
    1. Idiots like clownboy and sj. They get some perverse pleasure in getting a rise out of you. Prob pulled wings off of flies when they were kids. Don’t bother. They crave the attention.
    2. The ones who don’t know the facts, nor want to know them. Such as the Pats taped practices or walkthroughs or taping from the sidelines was illegal during the SB yrs. Tell them a million times, they won’t hear you. Don’t bother.
    3. Fans of the long list of teams the Pats have beaten in big games. Any excuse, so they don’t have to admit the Pats were a better, more well coached team than their team on that day.
    4. The guys that know the facts and just have the opinion that the Pats aren’t legit(vast minority of haters). They’re entitled. You’re not gonna convince them either. Harbaugh was right, whiner that he is, they’re always gonna be there. As are the Pats Lombardys.

    __
    Look at ol’ Teddy Smurf…trying to take the “high road” and preach from his ivory tower. The guys that “know the facts” know that the Pats got caught cheating, turned over tons of tapes from the time period of 2000-2007 to Goodell that showed that they had been cheating all that time (the rule against filming from the sidelines dates back to the 1970 NFL-AFL merger) and that the Pats got punished for that cheating (however lenient Goodell was to his butt buddy Kraft is irrelevant to the fact that they got punished for cheating). The Pats will always be considered cheaters and NFL history confirms this.

  163. hairpie says: May 1, 2012 4:18 PM

    sj39 says:
    May 1, 2012 2:51 PM
    Can one of you cheater lovers with all your thumbs down please enlighten the rest of us as to why Goodell destroyed the tapes if it wasn’t to cover up the severity of the cheating? Can you give a better explanation? Well, can you?

    ——————————————

    uuuhhh, yeah. this is not a secret. there were many other teams on those tapes doing the same thing. Goddell didnt want to open up that can of worms with the anti trust crap going on so he leaked the Pats stuff to his wife and punished one team to make it look like he had control over it.

  164. romosrevenge says: May 1, 2012 4:18 PM

    Harbaugh is backpedaling faster than Darrell Revis. Not the first time Johnny has opened his yap and poop flew out. Once said that “The Dallas Cowboys are everything that’s wrong with the NFL” What the hell does that mean? He’s a stupid bully and Bellichick is gonna clean his clock in wk.3.

  165. j0esixpack says: May 1, 2012 4:22 PM

    All the Patriots-haters have finally convinced me…

    It’s just downright humiliating to only have the best winning percentage of any team in the NFL over the last decade…

    … humiliating to only have made it to 5 Super Bowl appearances over the last 10 years and only won 3 of them

    Frankly, I don’t know how other Patriots fans can make it through the day, let alone a season with that record of failure

    Please, can we become fans of the Browns, or Raiders or Dolphins or even the Jets… any team that hasn’t come CLOSE to teasing their fans into thinking they might win a championship… PLEASE!!!!?????

  166. philvil41 says: May 1, 2012 4:22 PM

    Aljack88,
    Read the last sentence of my post again.You are very ignorant to suggest that what is in your opinion, a bogus call in 1976,somehow justifies the Tuck game.As for your limited knowledge of the 1976 play in question-Ray Hamilton clearly hits Stabler in the head as he passes.This was against the rules then, as it is today.There is no dipute that Stabler was hit in the head,NOTHING phantom about it.The Tuck was also indisputable,it was a fumble,and Brady’s body language is all you need to see.Now that I’ve schooled you,you should understand what really happened,but I tend to think you’ll stay ignorant.

  167. hairpie says: May 1, 2012 4:24 PM

    philvil41 says:
    May 1, 2012 3:04 PM
    Yeah they”earned” their win vs. Oakland in the tuck rule game.Biggest ripoff in NFL history.Yes, 100% there is an * next to their wins in the SB,certainly the first one.Never has a team deserved less to be in the SB than after the tuck game.Get this straight-THEY LOST THAT GAME,anyone with eyes could see that.One more thing to all the idiots who say the Raiders still had chances to win the game after the blown call-which it was,EVERYTHING that happened after the call is a moot point.The Raiders did everything that they needed to do for a victory,THEN it was stolen from them.If you disagree with this you simply are stupid and know nothing about football.

    ——————————

    lol. didnt the raiders get the ball back several times in that game? i thought it went to overtime…. hmmm….

  168. philvil41 says: May 1, 2012 4:35 PM

    Hairpie,
    ANYTHING after the blown call means nothing.The game was for all intents and purposes OVER.It was clearly robbed from them.Ask youself this- does it pass the eyeball test as far as being a good call.If you say yes then your not very bright.That being said I love your hairpie moniker.

  169. bobhk says: May 1, 2012 4:42 PM

    Harbaugh’s first comments were his true feeling. I think plenty of coaches secretly believe that Pats and Saints trophies are tainted. They just won’t come out and say it.

    The hidden cameras and under the table money are really the true reason for victories.

  170. coltsluckdynasty says: May 1, 2012 4:43 PM

    Stay classy new England, and Baltimore fans… You guys always show how a classy fanbase acts… When we all know if it wasn’t for Peyton manning choking every single year, the patriots wouldn’t have won anything… The most dominant regular season team in history… Well, that’s about to change…. Bears…. Week one, you are warned…

  171. tedmurph says: May 1, 2012 4:44 PM

    Nice clownboy, 3 out of 4 on 1 post. Only missed on #4. I rest my case.

  172. ottograham says: May 1, 2012 4:45 PM

    @moagecu

    youre right my most sincere apologies to you and your hurt butt.

  173. baltimoreballs says: May 1, 2012 4:49 PM

    Damn, there are a lot of Pats homers on this site. We welcome you with open arms come september.

  174. bozosforall says: May 1, 2012 4:51 PM

    hairpie says:
    May 1, 2012 4:24 PM
    philvil41 says:
    May 1, 2012 3:04 PM
    Yeah they”earned” their win vs. Oakland in the tuck rule game.Biggest ripoff in NFL history.Yes, 100% there is an * next to their wins in the SB,certainly the first one.Never has a team deserved less to be in the SB than after the tuck game.Get this straight-THEY LOST THAT GAME,anyone with eyes could see that.One more thing to all the idiots who say the Raiders still had chances to win the game after the blown call-which it was,EVERYTHING that happened after the call is a moot point.The Raiders did everything that they needed to do for a victory,THEN it was stolen from them.If you disagree with this you simply are stupid and know nothing about football.

    ——————————

    lol. didnt the raiders get the ball back several times in that game? i thought it went to overtime…. hmmm….

    __
    Thanks for confirming your stupidity, hairpiece.

  175. bozosforall says: May 1, 2012 4:54 PM

    hairpie says:
    May 1, 2012 4:12 PM
    For those of you referencing winning streaks and Championships possibly being “tainted”… you realize the rule wasnt enforced until 2007 and since then the Pats winning % is close to 100 points higher than before taping those 6 plays?

    __
    Who cares about regular-season records? Didn’t help the Packers, Niners or even the Pats last season. The Giants, with a worse regular-season record last year, performed when it counted most…and took home the title…without resorting to cheating like the Pats did.

  176. flash1283 says: May 1, 2012 4:59 PM

    Look how many comments Blowsforall has just on this thread.

    Can you say envy!!!

  177. rushmatic says: May 1, 2012 5:02 PM

    bozosforall says:
    May 1, 2012 1:53 PM
    rushmatic says:
    May 1, 2012 1:37 PM
    Now I REALLY think he’s an idiot.

    At first, I accepted that’s how he felt about my team. Now, pffff. GTFO.

    And for the jealous bunch, we get it — “CHEATING” sounds better than taping from an illegal part of the field.

    __
    Jealous bunch? You referring to Boston baseball fans who have had nearly a century of blatant jealousy towards the Yankees?

    And as for “CHEATING”, it sounds better because it’s an accurate descriptor of what the Pats did.

    ____________________________

    Boston baseball fans? This is a football story, idiot. Why do I get the feeling that Mayor Menino banged your mom?

  178. tigerlilac says: May 1, 2012 5:10 PM

    Bozo, I saw you at the doctor’s today. Sorry to see he couldn’t ger your head out of your ass but at least this way you are better looking.

  179. rangenius says: May 1, 2012 5:15 PM

    The Patriots spygate cheated the Jets out of 2 superbowl wins those years. Pennington and the Jets were set to win at least 2 of those superbowls.

  180. lenrossen says: May 1, 2012 5:39 PM

    Well, not a week passes if there is not at least one reference to the Patriots ‘cheating’ in this forum, and I cannot always tell if this is sort of ‘tongue-in-cheek’ or serious.

    So my point is John is correct. The perception of many fans is that the Patriot coaching staff cheated period.

    It’s definitely not politically correct to voice these thoughts in the press, maybe 20 years from now when it not such a sensitive issue (re; proximity to BountyGate).

    A fan

  181. ampats says: May 1, 2012 5:55 PM

    rangenius,

    jets and Super Bowl are an oxymoron unless it is in conjuction with Rex Ryan’s Lombardi Fantasy Tour that ends every year in late October

  182. eeeeeeetme says: May 1, 2012 6:03 PM

    blizzard01 says:May 1, 2012 1:41 PM

    At least we can all agree the Saints are filthier than all others- the snookie of the nfl.

    can we all agree that your Mom is the snookie of all Moms

  183. bozosforall says: May 1, 2012 6:06 PM

    rushmatic says:
    May 1, 2012 5:02 PM
    bozosforall says:
    May 1, 2012 1:53 PM
    rushmatic says:
    May 1, 2012 1:37 PM
    Now I REALLY think he’s an idiot.

    At first, I accepted that’s how he felt about my team. Now, pffff. GTFO.

    And for the jealous bunch, we get it — “CHEATING” sounds better than taping from an illegal part of the field.

    __
    Jealous bunch? You referring to Boston baseball fans who have had nearly a century of blatant jealousy towards the Yankees?

    And as for “CHEATING”, it sounds better because it’s an accurate descriptor of what the Pats did.

    ____________________________

    Boston baseball fans? This is a football story, idiot. Why do I get the feeling that Mayor Menino banged your mom?
    __

    Why do I get the feeling that you haven’t gotten any new insults since the 1970s?

  184. ham1 says: May 1, 2012 6:07 PM

    Dont care. Old news.
    Pats cheated.
    Harbaugh flaps begabbers again, and again.
    Really nothing new.

    The only thing that would be knew is if Harbaugh didnt bactrack. Say what you mean mean what you say. We all know they cheated. Just leave it at that.

  185. bozosforall says: May 1, 2012 6:07 PM

    flash1283 says:
    May 1, 2012 4:59 PM
    Look how many comments Blowsforall has just on this thread.

    Can you say envy!!!

    __
    Envy would be the Boston faithful crying for nearly a century over the Yankees OWNING their Red Sox. Three measly SB titles are nothing compared to 27 WS titles. The only real envy here is on your side of things.

  186. 1historian says: May 1, 2012 6:08 PM

    The Pats stole the jets’ defensive signals in the 1st half of the 1st game of the 2007 season.

    Breaking news – all teams steal signals. Hockey, baseball, basketball, tennis (?).

    Harbaugh knows that since his sorry-ass team won the SB in 2001 the Pats have been in 5 and won 3 and his sorry-ass team hasn’t gotten far enough even to lose.

    And they have beaten the sorry-ass ravens (quoth the Pats fan) something like 8 out of 10 times the teams have played

  187. bozosforall says: May 1, 2012 6:09 PM

    tigerlilac says:
    May 1, 2012 5:10 PM
    Bozo, I saw you at the doctor’s today. Sorry to see he couldn’t ger your head out of your ass but at least this way you are better looking.

    __
    Yet still better looking than you fugly New Englanders.

  188. bozosforall says: May 1, 2012 6:10 PM

    tedmurph says:
    May 1, 2012 4:44 PM
    Nice clownboy, 3 out of 4 on 1 post. Only missed on #4. I rest my case.

    __
    You have no case, teddysmurf.

  189. philvil41 says: May 1, 2012 6:22 PM

    Denver and San Fran also have tainted SB.wins.They were both caught cheating against the salary cap and were punished by the N.F.L. Truth hurts-deal with it.

  190. TheWizard says: May 1, 2012 6:47 PM

    They should let the other teams tape the Pats defensive signals from the sideline.

    (still legal to do from anywhere else, but don’t let the facts cloud your obsession)

    They’ll still finish with double digit wins.

  191. ubummer says: May 1, 2012 6:50 PM

    For all you Patriots fans with an overinflated sense of self-importance, Harbaugh’s backpedal had nothing to do with playing the Patriots this year.

    It had everything to do with Rule 1 of the NFL boys club: Thou shalt not discredit the shield.

    Stating any NFL championship is stained in any way discredits the shield and that is strictly verboten by Der Furher Goodell.

    Also for you Patriots excuse makers, when you say it wasn’t cheating and it didn’t matter, what you mean then is you wouldn’t mind if every Patriots opponent from now on should be allowed to tape the Patriots exactly like the Patriots did, without the Patriots being able to do the same to them. Right.

  192. macbull says: May 1, 2012 6:58 PM

    When I first heard that Harbaugh commented on the Patriots Super Bowl victories, calling them “tainted”…

    …I thought, what the hell is Harbaugh thinking, to make such a comment.

    Then I looked up the Ravens schedule and sure enough, 3rd game of the 2012 season, the Ravens host the Patriots.

    This goes beyond bulletin board material…Harbaugh’s comments are an insult to Bob Kraft and the entire Patriots organization.

    You might want to circle Sept. 23, 8:20 pm, Sunday night football…Patriots vs Ravens.

  193. thejackalofnight1 says: May 1, 2012 7:04 PM

    Did the Patriots get caught cheating?
    YES.
    The league admits that much, Harbaugh should have stuck to his guns.
    No one can deny that since the Patsies got caught, they haven’t won Jack….

  194. TheWizard says: May 1, 2012 7:07 PM

    The Tuck was also indisputable,it was a fumble,and Brady’s body language is all you need to see.Now that I’ve schooled you

    Hardly. To this day anybody whose opinion matters says it was the correct application of the rule.

    Hamilton hit Stabler in the arm. Stabler’s throwing motion raked Hamilton’s hand across Stabler’s helmet. You can stop-motion it on youtube.

    Two ticky-tack calls, and 25 years later karma comes full circle. C’est la vie.

  195. patriotinvasion says: May 1, 2012 7:18 PM

    @stevemo

    Still, no rings since Spygate. Tell me why, Pats fans….

    Ok – for starters, they have a completely different team than they had back then aside from a QB and a Head Coach. So with a completely different team (and much worse defense than those that WON those championships) you want them to somehow justify those rings simply because they wear the same uniforms? Give me Bruschi, Harrison, Vrabel, McGinest, Law, and Seymour again and we’ll see what happens…

    Another reason – Eli Manning going 80 yads in the final minute of TWO Super Bowl’s we’ve played in SINCE spygate. 27 other teams haven’t won a Super Bowl since spygate either dude…

  196. tedmurph says: May 1, 2012 7:25 PM

    bozo says:

    the rule against filming from the sidelines dates back to the 1970 NFL-AFL merger. (I just made this up).

    Fixed it for ya

  197. tedmurph says: May 1, 2012 7:35 PM

    There were soooo many people running around with portable video cameras in 1970. Huge problem. Sony cane out with the first video cassette in 1971. Shows what listening to this tool is worth.

    Goodell ordered the Pats to turn over all tapes from 2006-7. The only period it was illegal. Thems the facts. For the ones interested in them.

  198. bleed4philly says: May 1, 2012 8:05 PM

    The only way you earn it is cheating without getting caught.

  199. patriotinvasion says: May 1, 2012 8:33 PM

    All the people who cry about Goodell “burning tapes”…were you in a coma the day Goodell played all of Walsh’s tapes at a press conference televised on national TV? Scoreboard, hand signals in plain view of all 70,000 people in the stadium, cheerleaders, scoreboard, signals, crowd, etc. What exactly are you expecting to see? A command and control center built by Belichick with computer programmers decoding finger movements like something out of a sci-fi movie? Ha, keep dreaming…

  200. bozosforall says: May 1, 2012 8:48 PM

    tedmurph says:
    May 1, 2012 7:25 PM
    bozo says:

    the rule against filming from the sidelines dates back to the 1970 NFL-AFL merger. (I just made this up).

    Fixed it for ya

    __
    Made it up?

    Constitution and Bylaws of the National Football League – Effective February 1, 1970 (Title Page)

    http://static.nfl.com/static/content//public/static/html/careers/pdf/co_.pdf

    Page 39: Article IX, 9.1 (C) (14)

    Read it and weep, loser.

  201. bozosforall says: May 1, 2012 9:07 PM

    tedmurph says:
    May 1, 2012 7:35 PM
    There were soooo many people running around with portable video cameras in 1970. Huge problem. Sony cane out with the first video cassette in 1971. Shows what listening to this tool is worth.

    Ray Dolby, Charles Ginsburg and Charles Anderson invented the video camera that was the first machine to record both image and sound…the technology was first demonstrated on April 14, 1956…long before the rule was promulgated in the NFL Constitution and Bylaws in February 1970.

    http://www.wisegeek.com/who-invented-the-video-camera.htm

    Goodell ordered the Pats to turn over all tapes from 2006-7. The only period it was illegal. Thems the facts. For the ones interested in them.

    Goodell also got eight tapes from the 2001-2002 time period (a time period where taping from anywhere on the field – including the sidelines -was illegal, given that the rule had existed since 1970) and Belichick admitted to Goodell that he had been illegally taping signals since he joined the Pats in 2000.

    http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/columns/story?columnist=clayton_john&id=3386833

    THEM’S the real facts, not that made up crap you posted. You got OWNED again.

  202. bozosforall says: May 1, 2012 9:19 PM

    patriotinvasion says:
    May 1, 2012 8:33 PM
    All the people who cry about Goodell “burning tapes”…were you in a coma the day Goodell played all of Walsh’s tapes at a press conference televised on national TV? Scoreboard, hand signals in plain view of all 70,000 people in the stadium, cheerleaders, scoreboard, signals, crowd, etc. What exactly are you expecting to see? A command and control center built by Belichick with computer programmers decoding finger movements like something out of a sci-fi movie? Ha, keep dreaming…

    __
    Goodell admittedly destroyed all of the tapes, idiot. And no need for any sci-fi movie crap…he had people such as Ernie Adams deciphering the tapes as the game went on. The information gleaned from the tapes was used in the second half of games.

  203. habsman says: May 1, 2012 9:36 PM

    Three shiney, clean, beautiful, untainted Lombardi’s TUCKED safely away.

    More to come!

  204. denverdude7 says: May 1, 2012 9:46 PM

    John Harbaugh: Patriots earned those championships.
    ??????????????????????????????????????????????

    Harbaugh should be man enough to stand by his original comments. Mostly because they were accurate.

    Any team can play well when they know what plays to expect which is exactly the advantage they enjoyed by taping their opponents walkthroughs.

    The Patriots players won the games true enough. But the titles will always carry the stigma of having been influenced by illicit means.

  205. bmorethansteel says: May 1, 2012 10:12 PM

    He’s not back pedaling or retracting his earlier statements. He’s clarifying them. Pay attention and listen donkeys!

  206. tedmurph says: May 1, 2012 10:43 PM

    bozo BS part 1: I said Sony came out with 1rst video cassette tape in 1971, not that it was invented then. The public did not have portable video cassette recorders before 1971. That’s why there was no rule to that effect.

    bozo BS part 2: Goodell did get 8 tapes from 2001-3 from Walsh. Walsh said he had tape of Rams walkthru. Then he didn’t. Then his lawyer arranged a meeting with Goodell to show what he did have to save face. Goodell wanted to see if there was anything new and if Belichick had told him the truth. Goodell said there was nothing new on the tapes. BB had told Goodell he had been taping since 2000. BB never used the word ‘illegally’ because it wasn’t illegal. BB just told the complete truth.

    Hope that clears things up for you bonzo. Never let the facts get in the way of one of your bad stories.

  207. tedmurph says: May 1, 2012 11:01 PM

    Also, clownboy, the rule you cite was the crux of the controversey. It says you can’t use any recording eqiupment to be used during the playing of the game. They revised that in 2006 to say you can’t do it at all, but the memo was unclear. The NFL then sent out another memo in Sept 2007 clarifying the rule and that it was gonna be enforced. Then the Pats got busted. Wrong again

  208. witchrunner says: May 1, 2012 11:07 PM

    What’s really sad is that this became an issue at all. It’s always been a sad whiny coach who couldn’t coach, so he decided to be a tattle tale about nothing. When the story first broke, those who truly wanted to know asked what rule the Pats broke. What came out of it is that it was nothing that was in “the rule book.” Apparently there was a “memo” of sorts that seemed to indicate that it was league policy that teams were not to tape games with the purpose of benefiting from THAT game. That’s why Belichick has always maintained the Pat’s innocence. They never used the tapes to benefit the team for THAT game. It was never reviewed until the game was over.

    Belichick wanted to contest it, but Kraft overruled him because he thought it would be a distraction to the main objective of the team, to win the Super Bowl.

    So, as in all things, whether political or sports or whatever, there are those who reserve condemnation until all the facts are known and there are those who could care less what the facts are, as long as it gives they an opportunity to whine and complain.

  209. patriotinvasion says: May 1, 2012 11:21 PM

    bozosforall says:
    May 1, 2012 9:19 PM
    patriotinvasion says:
    May 1, 2012 8:33 PM
    All the people who cry about Goodell “burning tapes”…were you in a coma the day Goodell played all of Walsh’s tapes at a press conference televised on national TV? Scoreboard, hand signals in plain view of all 70,000 people in the stadium, cheerleaders, scoreboard, signals, crowd, etc. What exactly are you expecting to see? A command and control center built by Belichick with computer programmers decoding finger movements like something out of a sci-fi movie? Ha, keep dreaming…

    __
    Goodell admittedly destroyed all of the tapes, idiot. And no need for any sci-fi movie crap…he had people such as Ernie Adams deciphering the tapes as the game went on. The information gleaned from the tapes was used in the second half of games.
    __

    Right because you were there, and you know it all…

  210. steeelfann says: May 1, 2012 11:23 PM

    John,

    You look so weak with this unfolding story.

    It would be better if you manned up like Rex.

    To try to shy away is not manly.. Seriously.

  211. patriotinvasion says: May 1, 2012 11:24 PM

    ^^^ And if the Patriots knew all the plays, why was their offense mediocre in 2 of their 3 championship years? You guys do remember Ty Law, Rodney Harrison, Mike Vrabel, Willie McGinest, etc etc….Those guys were the real reason the Patriots won those games…

  212. brianbosworthisstonecold says: May 2, 2012 12:50 AM

    nflfan1 | May 1, 2012, 10:42 AM PDT
    …After begging forgiveness Coach Harbaugh kissed the 3 Superbowl rings “Godfather” style while hoping aloud that Coach Belichicks first grandchild is a masculine child.
    ————
    LMAO!

  213. thacloser86 says: May 2, 2012 1:05 AM

    Don’t like a coach who backtracks that’s why we didn’t want him in GreenBay and we interview him.

  214. txnative61 says: May 2, 2012 2:40 AM

    I view both these “scandals” as similar to stealing catcher’s signs, corked bats, and spitballs in baseball. Illegal, but of little real benefit in winning. Aren’t players already extremely motivated to hit key players hard, especially in the playoffs? Did a few thousand prospective bounty really increase that motivation. Don’t teams scout and analyze opposing teams to the point stealing plays is somewhat redundant and ineffective, particularly if they know you’re trying to steal them. Seems extremely poor judgement by coaches to risk censure more than anything. So I agree, there should be no taint, but there undoubtedly is, in public perception.

  215. sudz28 says: May 2, 2012 7:33 AM

    Boy, just when I was about to jump up and say that for ONCE I’m in agreement with a Raven, he has to go and apologize for saying what he meant. I just lost any potential respect I may have had swelling inside me for John Harbaugh. Dude, you had it right the first time and everyone except the most bleeding heart Pats fan thinks all their Belichick-era SB rings *may* have been earned with the help of CHEATING. Yeah, they may have won them anyway, but once a cheater = always tainted.

  216. bozosforall says: May 2, 2012 11:11 AM

    tedmurph says:
    May 1, 2012 10:43 PM
    bozo BS part 1: I said Sony came out with 1rst video cassette tape in 1971, not that it was invented then. The public did not have portable video cassette recorders before 1971. That’s why there was no rule to that effect.

    bozo BS part 2: Goodell did get 8 tapes from 2001-3 from Walsh. Walsh said he had tape of Rams walkthru. Then he didn’t. Then his lawyer arranged a meeting with Goodell to show what he did have to save face. Goodell wanted to see if there was anything new and if Belichick had told him the truth. Goodell said there was nothing new on the tapes. BB had told Goodell he had been taping since 2000. BB never used the word ‘illegally’ because it wasn’t illegal. BB just told the complete truth.

    Hope that clears things up for you bonzo. Never let the facts get in the way of one of your bad stories.

    ___
    Part 1: Multi-billionaire teams are hardly “the public”. They had access to videotape, moron.

    Part 2: Film existed to show that Belichick filmed since 2000…only after those tapes were turned over by Walsh did Belichick admit that he was taping prior to 2006. And yes, the taping was illegal at that time. The memo was a reminder of the rule that already existed, idiot. And Belichick (the supposed genius) knew he was breaking the rule, otherwise he would have asked for clarification BEFORE he started taping on the sidelines. Keep making excuses for your cheating coach, while the vast majority of NFL fans know the truth about him…he is a confirmed cheater. I can see that YOU never let facts get in the way of gluing your lips to BB’s bunghole.

    I doubt that you will ever see it clearly, tedysmurf…so I’ll just have to satisfy myself that the rest of the rational NFL-viewing public knows better than idiots like you.

  217. tedmurph says: May 2, 2012 12:10 PM

    Keep making it up as you go along clownboy, you’re not fooling anyone. Video casette tapes were not sold on the market prior to 1971, to anyone. Period, end of story. Thanks for all your useless research about it’s invention though, hope it didn’t take you away from the porn sites for too long.

    Absolutely, positively wrong about when BB told Goodell he had been filming since 2000. BB told Goodell during the initial investigation and Goodell said so. You just completely pulled it out of your butt. Goodell only asked BB for the tapes dating back to 2006 because that’s the only time it was illegal. Before that it wasn’t, as Jimmy Johnson and many others have stated. BB may well have known it was illegal starting in 2006. Whether he did or didn’t he got caught and was justifiably punished. 3SBs clean as a whistle. Glad you think you speak for the majority, with your delusions of granduer, but that ‘s not the case. Blown up with facts again. BOOM.

  218. tedmurph says: May 2, 2012 12:24 PM

    ‘Though Goodell didn’t reveal it until shortly before the Pro Bowl in February, Patriots coach Bill Belichick readily admitted to Goodell last September that he has been taping signals during games since 2000.’

    This quote is from the article about Walsh the following May YOU provided a link for to prove your point, toolbag. What a joke! Hung yourself with your own words. You totally fabricated the EAdams thing to. You can write anything you want on a blog. WHEEEEEE.

  219. flash1283 says: May 2, 2012 12:44 PM

    @Tedmurph

    Blowsforall is a tool!

    Here is the time line,

    Sept. 14, 2007: Mortensen also reports that Belichick has privately told Goodell he has been taping opponents’ signals since he became the Pats’ head coach in 2000.

    May 8, 2008: Eight videotapes containing footage of six games between 2000 and 2002 involving five teams arrive from Walsh at NFL offices in New York.

  220. tedmurph says: May 2, 2012 12:51 PM

    If this were a fight, they’d stop it. He’ll just move on to the next one with his bag of BS and the rest of the lunatic fringe. Hope this shows how credible he is. I’d be one thing if he were clever, but….

  221. rushmatic says: May 2, 2012 5:21 PM

    bozosforall says:
    May 1, 2012 6:06 PM
    rushmatic says:
    May 1, 2012 5:02 PM
    bozosforall says:
    May 1, 2012 1:53 PM
    rushmatic says:
    May 1, 2012 1:37 PM
    Now I REALLY think he’s an idiot.

    At first, I accepted that’s how he felt about my team. Now, pffff. GTFO.

    And for the jealous bunch, we get it — “CHEATING” sounds better than taping from an illegal part of the field.

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    Jealous bunch? You referring to Boston baseball fans who have had nearly a century of blatant jealousy towards the Yankees?

    And as for “CHEATING”, it sounds better because it’s an accurate descriptor of what the Pats did.

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    Boston baseball fans? This is a football story, idiot. Why do I get the feeling that Mayor Menino banged your mom?
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    Why do I get the feeling that you haven’t gotten any new insults since the 1970s?

    ______________________

    That’s the best could come up with, huh? You’re about as good at this as beating up Boston. Not very.

  222. tedmurph says: May 2, 2012 8:08 PM

    Crickets, what a surprise.

  223. materialman80 says: May 3, 2012 4:03 PM

    John you told the truth, now you want to “back up”? And they call Romney a flip-flopper. Belichick and the Patriots cheated, pure and simple. The Rams know it, the fans know it, the NFL knows it and Belichick knows it too…..

  224. rushmatic says: May 4, 2012 6:29 PM

    materialman80 says:
    May 3, 2012 4:03 PM
    John you told the truth, now you want to “back up”? And they call Romney a flip-flopper. Belichick and the Patriots cheated, pure and simple. The Rams know it, the fans know it, the NFL knows it and Belichick knows it too…..

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    Romney. The guy’s campaign is fully funded by big banks. He doesn’t even try to hide it.

    Joke candidate — joke comment. Cheating is a lovely way to say it, but the taping was legal — it was where they stood that wasn’t. So get over yourself.

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