Comments on: Redskins QB coach: Can’t lose taking Kirk Cousins

By: londonfletcher

londonfletcher — Thu, 03 May 2012 17:08:43 +0000

“The Shoeman says:
May 2, 2012 5:36 AM
Why would I be bitter about a fully stocked trophy case in DC?
___________________________________________

Ahh..yes,

We all remember the days of:

spandex shorts
Pokemon
Grunge music and fashion
Koosh Balls
Saved By The Bell
The Macarena

keep ” drinkin’ that Kool Aid ” and paying through the nose.”

LEAVE SAVED BY THE BELL OUT OF THIS!!!

By: muckfodell

muckfodell — Wed, 02 May 2012 15:56:59 +0000

We’ll see.

Bringing in a 22 year-old guy who knows he will not even get a shot to compete for the starting job?

I have my doubts…

By: cleminem757

cleminem757 — Wed, 02 May 2012 15:38:59 +0000

A good scouting team takes a chance on almost every pick they ever take. Look at all the first round busts. Give me a break, just because you can name a few 4th round picks that did we for a second does not make them gems. Some performed at a high level longer which makes them gems. But you are far from naming enough 4th round “gems” to consider yourself an expert at 4th round picks. Allen and Shanahan have turned this team from joke into a legitimate contender in 2 years with nothing. Time can only tell who will be right and who will be wrong. If another team picked up Cousins and he ended up the starter, would he not be a “gem”??? If skins trade him away in 2-3 years for a 2nd or 3rd rounder who will say that was the stupidest move ever??? #HTTR

By: renhoekk2

renhoekk2 — Wed, 02 May 2012 15:27:46 +0000

The Skins have drafted 21 players in the last two years. The signed 10 FA this off-season. That’s 31 players right there. That doesn’t include UDFA from last year that made the roster or any UDFA from this year that might make it. How much more depth could they need at other positions? The weakest position by far on the Skins roster was at QB. Rex Grossman and John Beck people. That is who was quarterbacking the Skins last season. And people are actually questioning the Cousins pick. Unbelievable.

By: tlaw21

tlaw21 — Wed, 02 May 2012 15:25:09 +0000

Jesus last year everybody ripped the Skins for not taking a QB and this year they get ripped because they went and got their franchise QB and drafted a darn good back-up in the 4th round who I already feel better having on my team than REx is so Gross-Man. What would the Skins do say in a year if RGIII has a freak injury and they need somebody to step in and Capt. Kirk would be able to come in and run the O efficiently and better than Grossman the TO machine.

By: clintonite44

clintonite44 — Wed, 02 May 2012 15:05:08 +0000

It’s good to be an NFL fan of the team you choose. However, it is sad to be totally blind, foolish, gullible and dumb enough to believe the bull*** Redskins management throws at their fans and expects them to swallow. The head coach last season “staked his reputation” on the two QBs on his roster. They both failed. That should tell you just a little bit about the ability of this head coach to judge QB talent. Moving forward, use of a 4th round draft pick to back up…repeat…back up your starter, when your team has ssoooooo many holes to fill is just not a wise move people. If you think so, you seriously lack a fundamental understanding of what the player draft is all about. If you want a back up QB you could’ve looked to the waiver wire this off season–there will be plenty of “back-up” level QBs to be had without using a PRECIOUS draft pick to select one. Using up your 4th round pick (and 3rd overall) on a guy who is going to carry a clipboard most games is assinine!! Redskin fans should be marching on Ashburn! You should be demanding to know what kind of idiocy is being employed on many personnel decisions. And all of you speak as if Cousins is guaranteed to be great. You cannot assume that. You can’t assume that with any player drafted, but when taking that chance, you don’t take it with a guy you PLAN to keep on the bench! Those of you who really know football understand this. Those of you who are just blind fans with no clue about what the draft is for…enjoy that knowledgeable head coach you have.

By: Grulks

Grulks — Wed, 02 May 2012 14:28:17 +0000

I’m laughing my butt off at all the people saying “were gonna trade him”….for what, a box of cookies??

EVERY team passed on him in the draft. At least three times each, some even four. So he wasn’t good enough to draft then, but in the limited time he has to get reps at training camp and OTA, he’s gonna impress everyone so much that they’re gonna fall in love with him more than their current roster, set aside their ego’s to admit they were wrong, and give up a pick/player for him?? I don’t think so.

For that to be even remotely possible, he’d have to be so good that the Skins would consider starting him over RG3. And if he were that good, they wouldn’t consider trading him.

FACT: Skins blew this pick by drafting best guy available

To the guy stating 4th rounders aren’t expected to compete/start/be on the roster in 3-4 years: tell that to Marion Barber, Assante Samuel, Brandon Jacobs, Shaun Phillips, Jared Allen, Rudi Johnson, Brandon Marshall, and Elvis Dumervil, Michael Bush, Doug Free, Paul Soliai, Dashon Goldson, Leron Mclain, Leon Washington, Gostkowski. All absolute studs. I could go on and on. Tom Brady was drafted in round 6. There is no reason to think a guy drafted in the the 4th wont contribute right away or make an impact. A good scouting team uncovers these gems.

By: hollywood26

hollywood26 — Wed, 02 May 2012 14:26:05 +0000

It takes a year to learn the system and our current backup is on a 1 year plan. otherwise we’d have to bring Grossman back ANOTHER year and draft someone next year where QB is supposed to be much weaker. At some point we had to solidify the position which we did with RG3 and KC. Now we can phase Rex out and move forward. Good move. While we could have gotten another player at the end of the day it’s best value. Next year in the 4th the QB would have been a 4th round rated QB versus a 2nd round who fell to 4. Would we rather have gotten the Houston QB???

By: cleminem757

cleminem757 — Wed, 02 May 2012 14:16:56 +0000

Therefore they grabbed two o-lineman. One in the THIRD round and one later. This was not about protection series, it is about depth. That is all.

By: jimmymcnultysbottleofjameson

jimmymcnultysbottleofjameson — Wed, 02 May 2012 14:14:11 +0000

I think somebody in the organization said they were gonna develop him for trade value… umm okay skins. Makes no sense. You make arguably the largest investment in franchise history and rather than getting an o lineman you waste your 4th rd on this guy. Here’s a nice stat, 50% of all o lineman drafted in the 4th rd end up as starters in the league. Take a chance at least instead of some guy RG3 is gonna see on the sidelines holding a clipboard when he de-treads himself off the ground after a David Carr introduction to the league. What a terrible franchise, they could learn A LOT from the team 30 miles up the BW Pkwy.

By: cleminem757

cleminem757 — Wed, 02 May 2012 13:56:44 +0000

I forgot to mention Colts and Bears. But who is counting??

By: cleminem757

cleminem757 — Wed, 02 May 2012 13:54:37 +0000

Congratulations to the media talking heads for creating controversy where there is none. Which one of the people that came up with the ideas that drafting Cousins was a bad idea has ever had the job of putting a team together and drafting?? Look at what happens when you do not have a decent backup to take over when needed: Eagles with VY, Texans, Chiefs, Rams, and that is just the 2011 season.

How does picking Cousins “undermine” the pick of RG3??? It doesn’t.

The only people that have a problem with tis are the ones whose job it is to find contraversy where there is none and the haters. Makes sense to me to upgrade the most important position on the field then upgrade the depth of that position. #HTTR

By: lbcoach34

lbcoach34 — Wed, 02 May 2012 13:28:27 +0000

To me, you have to have back-ups and depth, but it also says to me that they’re concerned about protection and injury…that being said why not shore-up the O-line…if the protection is bad – both guys are going down.

By: skinsaneasylum

skinsaneasylum — Wed, 02 May 2012 13:18:24 +0000

Look, you can say that it was a “controversy” to take a QB in the 4th round after trading up to snag our franchise QB. That is a legit debate, one that I will have with you and can see both sides of the argument. What we Skins fans will not stand for, however, is a media driven QB controversy over whether Cousins will be competing for the starting job over RG3. Seriously, pass me what you are smoking Jaws/Skip Bayless/Herm Edwards/Ashley Fox…..most irresponsible reporting I have ever seen.

So lets focus on the debate that I am willing to contribute to, the value of a 2nd QB in the 4th round. Mel Kiper and most other talking heads that are against this pick have been screaming from the roof-tops that the Skins have too many holes elsewhere and that they passed up on players who could immediately help RG3….POINT ME TO ONE. I have not heard one “analyst” point to one name, one player who they feel would have been a more “valuable” pick with our 1st of two 4th round selections.

OL, you say? Yea, we drafted THREE of them. Secondary, you say? Yep, got two of them in the draft as well. LB, then? Nope, drafted what looks to be a solid protege for London Fletcher in Keenan Robinson out of Texas. Oh wait, you mean we need more weapons around RG3, don’t you? I’m sorry, but with 15+ WRs on our roster and about 9 of them competing for a contributing role, I doubt we could find or would need any WR still on the board in the 4th round. And RB is stacked with depth with two players we drafted last year, both of whom played very well when called upon last year…..

So, where exactly would all these pundits like for us to have drafted other than the WEAKEST position on our entire team. QB.

You want to have to rely on Rex Grossman again who is also only under a one year contract? Nope. We saw a window of opportunity and the Skins grabbed it. End of story.

We no longer have to find a veteran replacement for Rex at the end of this year and we just solidified the most important, yet weakest position on our entire team.

Keep hating though. Your time is running out.

By: kozmo50

kozmo50 — Wed, 02 May 2012 13:12:31 +0000

The Redskins could give away Hot Dogs and Beer at every home game and SOMEONE, would have a problem with it………..I like the fact that people hate the Redskins……….winning will be that much sweeter………..Cowboys barely beat us in 2 games….6-FG’s in one game and the other in OT……beat the Giants twice……..Skins are not as bad as people think!

By: oranjellojones

oranjellojones — Wed, 02 May 2012 13:05:41 +0000

I love the spin and mock outrage over all of this. What’s especially amusing is the geniuses who keep parroting the nonsense like “With limited picks the Redskins couldn’t afford to pass up other players of need for a luxury pick in Cousins.”

1. The Redskins even with the loss of their 2nd round pick still had NINE draft choices. When confronted with Cousins and their LB and OL prospects still being on the board they traded down with Pittsburgh and used the EXTRA pick acquired to get some of that depth/need that everyone is crying about.

2. Shanahan and Allen had 3 O linemen targeted before the draft and got ALL 3. They drafted Fletcher’s potential replacement whom they targeted, they drafted 2 project CB’s, they also signed 2 WR’s, get Cooley and Hankerson back, finally have a healthy Jammal Brown and signed several UDFA’s that could pan out nicely. Like it or not backup QB WAS A NEED! Anyone who thinks Grossman is in any way acceptable is just nuts, the guy is a turnover machine!

3. The Shanahan Allen FO has signed and drafted more picks in a 3 year time than any other FO in Redskins history, and have now proven a tendency to trade down and find quality players. They had 12 picks last year and 10 this year before the RG3 trade. Even without those future 1sts they still have 6 next year and are sure to trade down to acquire more like they have every year they’ve been here.

4. RG3 is going to be bothered by this pick or is going to feel like the Redskins have buyers remorse. ROFL…seriously? Yea that’s why the Redskins rolled out the Red Carpet (literally) and had him out to a draft coming out party at Fed Ex in front of 20K fans. Yea that’s why the guy is getting the full star treatment and has the Shanahans looking like they just blew their load every time they talk about him. Some of you really need to put down the pipes and go get some fresh air.

This notion that the Redskins have limited picks or have been hampered in their ability to draft by either the Cousins pick OR the RG3 trade is a complete myth.

By: veretax

veretax — Wed, 02 May 2012 12:57:52 +0000

” one would think they’d want to use all their other picks on players who can help the Redskins win with Griffin, not players who will never see the field unless Griffin is hurt.”

And the Skins had who at Back up QB? Rex Grossman – 1 Yr Deal, John Beck, 1 Yr Left on his deal I believe. So who was going to be the back up next year? Did you really believe they’d keep John Beck? Did you believe that Rex would actually stay after a rookie gets picked that high? Plus there are the cap implications. If the NFL hadn’t taken a lot of Cap Space from Washington, then they could perhaps have signed a veteran backup, now, they’ll be lucky to have much left over after signing their rookies.

Cousins by virtue of dropping became not just a great value, but an economical one too. Find me a Backup QB in the league worth anything who will earn anywhere close to as little As Cousins will in the next two seasons? I don’t think the player exists.

Besides, who would you have rather the skins take, a WR that may take 3 years to catch on in the depth chart, with an already crowded WR corp?

Plus about those draft picks. It’s one pick in 2013 and 2014 gone for the Skins. YEs its a 1st, but they still have, last I checked, 6 other picks in those drafts at minimum, and that presumes they don’t trade for more picks or earn some compensatory ones.

Last but not least, look at the Skins franchise draft history in the 4th Round, How many players in the previous history of the draft have the skins drafted which contributed enough to be remembered? I only found two. 1979 TE Don Warren, and in 1996 RB Stephen Davis. That’s it. Other teams may have more luck with their 4th Round picks, but that’s just not the Skins MO. Cousins at least has a chance to both make the team, earn the #2 job, and stick for at least the duration of his rookie contract. If he performs really well, he might be able to be traded to a team later for more picks for the Skins, and a chance to potentially start.

I think it’s a great pick for a Redskins team that is slowly changing it’s depth through smart picks after a decade of throwing money at any Free Agent with notoriety.

By: metrocritical

metrocritical — Wed, 02 May 2012 12:34:49 +0000

This was not the dumbest draft move the Redskins have made but not the smartest either. Generally, a team develops a quality back up qb by teaching, coaching and reps not devoted to getting the starter ready. In this case, the staff already has to primarily devote its energy and resources to developing its starting rookie qb, leaving Cousins to learn what he can on his own on a parallel program. If he’s devoted and smart he will make progress in spite of this scenario but this is not the ideal circumstance for developing a backup for the Skins and it is certainly an unappealing situation for Cousins, who, no doubt, aspires to be a starter somewhere, someday. While it may be questionable as to whether he has starter potential, it is unquestionable that the Redskins’ did not present Cousins the ideal environment to launch his pro career nor did they create the ideal environment for developing a guy who can step in if RG3 falters. Having said the above, it’s really not that interesting of a story, anyway, for a team whose gloried past seems more distant every year.

By: selldannysell

selldannysell — Wed, 02 May 2012 12:24:41 +0000

mattyk72 says:
May 1, 2012 9:21 PM
Where’s the questioning of the Eagles taking Foles in the 3rd? Don’t they have a lot of needs too that could have been addressed instead of a 3rd string QB?

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That’s because the Eagles didn’t give up three draft picks to select a franchise quarterback. They also don’t have as many holes as the Skins do, and are MUCH closer to being competitive than Washington. The Skins could have used another offensive lineman or defensive back at that position.

By: crazycane

crazycane — Wed, 02 May 2012 12:24:41 +0000

This is going to end up being a mess. First time RG3 struggles, Redskin fan base is going to call for Cousins.

Most popular person on an avg football team is the backup QB.

By: beckzhere

beckzhere — Wed, 02 May 2012 12:18:43 +0000

Cousins is a sleeper. I think he has the skill set to be a very productive QB in the NFL. Whether he ever gets the opportunity to showcase that is a different story.

By: hendawg21

hendawg21 — Wed, 02 May 2012 12:17:19 +0000

MDS STHU…I mean what’s your point no one is asking non Redskins fan to like what the Redskins do and if you saw what happened in Indy and Chicago when the main guy went down then that should be explanation enough. And if you talking heads were such experts on team needs and talent you’d be a scout, coach, GM not a journalist whether print or radio etc., bottom line your opinion means NADT. In closing these were the Skins needs:

QB-addressed (2)
ILB-addressed
OL-addressed
Corner-addressed

By: snowpea84

snowpea84 — Wed, 02 May 2012 12:16:27 +0000

Also…..are they suposed to be happy with the backups they have? After QB’s have proven themselves to not be the answer, I personally would rather go with an unknown. That is, I’d rather have a guy who I dont know if he can do it or not than a guy I know can’t do it.

By: snowpea84

snowpea84 — Wed, 02 May 2012 12:15:16 +0000

When considering the odds of a fourth round pick contributing, and then looking at how much the ones that do contribute actually add on average…..How can you be chastised for using it on a non need player.

Odds are your fourth round pick is not going to be a pro bowler. Odds are your fourth round pick is not going to be a starter. Odds are oyur foourth round pick may not even be on the team in 3-4 years. So why not use it on who you believe is the bet player? How much are you really risking, and how much are you really losing by not reaching for another position?

By: tomcous

tomcous — Wed, 02 May 2012 11:24:07 +0000

The Skins used future picks to get RG3 …

They want to use Kirk Cousins to get some of them back …

By: teedraper

teedraper — Wed, 02 May 2012 10:55:17 +0000

RG3 is doomed!

By: jh4prez

jh4prez — Wed, 02 May 2012 10:34:42 +0000

Well im sure hes happy the skins saved him from the dreaded UFA list.smh.

By: exibitsman

exibitsman — Wed, 02 May 2012 09:38:20 +0000

Kurt cousins will be the redskins starting QB by week 6 RG3 is going to be the biggest QB bust since jamsmarcus russsells.

By: The Shoeman

The Shoeman — Wed, 02 May 2012 09:36:55 +0000

Why would I be bitter about a fully stocked trophy case in DC?
___________________________________________

Ahh..yes,

We all remember the days of:

spandex shorts
Pokemon
Grunge music and fashion
Koosh Balls
Saved By The Bell
The Macarena

keep ” drinkin’ that Kool Aid ” and paying through the nose.

By: The Shoeman

The Shoeman — Wed, 02 May 2012 09:30:31 +0000

No Worries,

Shanahan says he’ll stake his reputation !

“You talk about a guy not being experienced

I believe in the guys,” Shanahan told reporters on Friday, per the Associated Press.

“I believe in ‘em.

And I’ve been doing this for a long time. And I put my reputation on these guys that they can play.”

Hmmmm . . .