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Former prosecutor conducted independent review of bounty evidence

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By denying the NFL’s findings regarding the Saints’ bounty system, the NFLPA has attempted, wisely, to create a he said/she said dynamic as to whether players were involved, notwithstanding the admissions made by the coaches involved in the bounty program and, according to the NFL’s announcement from Wednesday, a signed declaration from defensive end Anthony Hargrove.

If the NFLPA has managed to posture the competing contentions as a tie, the NFL undoubtedly believes it has the tiebreaker.

Albert Breer of NFL Network reports that the league explained in a Wednesday memo to all teams that a former prosecutor was hired to conduct an independent review of the evidence.

“We also took the step of engaging Mary Jo White, the former United States Attorney for New York, at an early stage of the investigation in order to ensure both the fairness of the process and the reliability of the information on which our decisions were made in the Saints matter,” Commissioner Roger Goodell wrote to all teams. “Following a process that she has frequently undertaken on a wide range of matters in recent years, Mrs. White provided an independent view of the investigation from the perspective of an experienced and highly respected law enforcement officer.”

White currently practices white collar criminal defense at the firm of Debevoise & Plimpton.

“After her review, she expressed a high degree of confidence in the fairness of the investigation, the reliability of the findings, and the quality of evidence that supported those findings,” Goodell wrote.

The NFLPA has claimed that no detailed evidence regarding the existence of a “pay-for-injury” scheme has been provided to the union.  It’s likely that both sides have kept their cards close to the vest in order to avoid any lawyering of the evidence.  At some point, however, the cards need to hit the table.

The sooner they do, the more sense this will all make.

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78 Responses to “Former prosecutor conducted independent review of bounty evidence”
  1. jackblackshairyback says: May 2, 2012 8:12 PM

    Why is tgere a picture of Dennis Kucinich attached to this artists icle?

  2. steelerhypocrite says: May 2, 2012 8:13 PM

    Holy Moe, where’s Larry and Curly?

  3. tos420 says: May 2, 2012 8:14 PM

    Can’t wait to see De Smith and the NFLPA explain this one.

  4. jacunn2000 says: May 2, 2012 8:14 PM

    Not sure why a picture of Moe from the 3 Stooges is up there??

  5. tonyromoisterrible says: May 2, 2012 8:17 PM

    She looks really pleasant.

  6. stevenfbrackett says: May 2, 2012 8:17 PM

    I’m getting really sick of the union saying they haven’t seen any evidence of the bounty program when the only reason they haven’t seen the evidence is because they decided not to accept the League’s invitation to come to the office and have a look at it.

  7. bozosforall says: May 2, 2012 8:18 PM

    “At some point, however, the cards need to hit the table.”

    Too late, Goodell already destroyed the evidence.

  8. jackers252 says: May 2, 2012 8:19 PM

    This is all the fans have been asking for…the evidence.

    We have witnessed the most severe penalties ever issued by the league and accepted them on the league’s word alone.

    Just release the evidence already…

  9. bearsandjazz says: May 2, 2012 8:21 PM

    Guilty guilty guilty….the players and NFLPA can deny deny all they want. Hahahaha, I the players are as believable as Bonds and Clemens and OJ. My god people except the fact that they are guilty and get own with yor own lives. Goodell Didnt force Williams, Payton and Hargrove to lie. Jesus really what more do you people want

  10. lolb23 says: May 2, 2012 8:26 PM

    Now what Saint fans?

  11. lolb23 says: May 2, 2012 8:26 PM

    She looks like the principle from Kindergarten Cop.

  12. jluns275 says: May 2, 2012 8:29 PM

    ‘Nuff said.

  13. mdd913 says: May 2, 2012 8:29 PM

    White collar criminal defense, huh. Not exactly a ringing endorsement. Certainly Ms. White wasn’t being paid by the league office for her opinion or anything.

    [/sarcasm]

  14. brasho says: May 2, 2012 8:32 PM

    Hmmm, looks like Martin Short dyed his hair dark brown for his starring role in “Clifford 2′.

  15. upperdecker19 says: May 2, 2012 8:32 PM

    Judge Sapp is available to perform any further “independent reviews”.

  16. dzor22 says: May 2, 2012 8:33 PM

    I don’t know…the Saints players say this stuff didn’t really happen.

  17. genericuser8888 says: May 2, 2012 8:34 PM

    More words.

    Still no actual production of evidence.

    Either:

    1) The NFL has an ulterior motive for not releasing the evidence. (It’s collection was flawed, it will make the league look bad, it will expose the “whistleblower”, etc).

    or

    2) The NFL’s evidence is not as strong as they are making it out to be.

    The strongest evidence would be to actually RELEASE some of the “50,000 pages” of evidence to the public.

    Surely, with the amount of evidence that they have gather, the NFL should be able to release SOMETHING.

    Instead, more worlds.

    The more the league huffs and puffs but doesn’t produce any hard evidence, the more I doubt they have a strong case. Maybe they do, but why all the posturing in the court of public opinion if they actually have hard evidence?

  18. genericuser8888 says: May 2, 2012 8:35 PM

    edit: oops. I mean “more words” not “more worlds”. Sorry for the typo there.

  19. drgreenstreak says: May 2, 2012 8:36 PM

    Nobody is forcing anyone to participate in a public debate over this matter. Not going to happen.

    Let the players sue. The NFL will put Gregg Williams on the stand. End of story.

  20. huskylawyer says: May 2, 2012 8:36 PM

    Chosen by NFL

    Retained by NFL

    Paid by NFL

    =

    Not independent.

    Just sayin’

  21. saint4life says: May 2, 2012 8:37 PM

    It would probably be easier explained and the evidence would make more sense when the players side was heard to don’t ya think? Can’t have a one sided argument.

  22. randygnyc says: May 2, 2012 8:37 PM

    This revelation is important. Not only has the NFL covered it’s ass, it has gone to great lengths to have the evidence independently verified. Obviously, the NFL has been waiting for a public denial from any of the accused before releasing this info. Goodell should double the suspensions for anyone who appeals.

  23. kp4lsu says: May 2, 2012 8:39 PM

    Ok so the NFL hired this guy. Hmmm

  24. musicman495 says: May 2, 2012 8:40 PM

    “We also took the step of engaging Mary Jo White, the former United States Attorney for New York, at an early stage of the investigation in order to ensure both the fairness of the process and the reliability of the information on which our decisions were made in the Saints matter…”
    ——————-
    How early – before any possible exculpatory evidence was sought, or interviews with the accused even took place?

    This reminds me of when Nixon said he would only allow Sen. John Stennis to hear the Watergate tapes. You see where that ended up. Perhaps we can get a Goodell resignation out of this.

  25. thebigcaptain2011 says: May 2, 2012 8:41 PM

    She also conducted a review of the LA Football Lakers

  26. sdisme says: May 2, 2012 8:44 PM

    In lieu of evidence Goodell brings in an evidence witness.

    This is getting really good.

  27. bleedsoe9mm says: May 2, 2012 8:46 PM

    i thought that pic was an ad for the 3 stooges movie

  28. wunsa says: May 2, 2012 8:48 PM

    Independent, but hired by the NFL…sure…

  29. patriots123456 says: May 2, 2012 8:49 PM

    It’s getting ugglier by the minute.

    This is only the tip of the iceberg.

    The next draft will be lawyers only, talk about salary caps, they have none.

  30. shian11 says: May 2, 2012 8:55 PM

    I’m really tired of hearing from the nflpa and the saints players on this. Look at it from a clear perspective. Would a buisness, in the public eye and scrutiny would a buisness suspend coaches and players millions and millions of dollars without proof. Roger goddell would not stake his reputation on such a large mistake. If the players and nflpa have an issue with the appeals process, I would agree, however, myself nor anyone else in the public agreed as they did during the 100 billion dollar negotiation that would be the appeals process.

    I still am perplexed at the nflpa aggressive approach in th defense of players who have committed the acts with not nearly as dedication to defend the players who were attacked.

    It’s a shame on this day that we continue to talk about players like this instead of focusing on class acts like the signing of Eric legrand by the Bucs. The nflpa should understand that in this violent game where injuries like legrand’s can occur at anytime, there is no room for even the inference of intentionally injuring another and I challenge the nflpa that if indeed it is brought to light the specifics of the acts are indeed to injure players, that the nflpa ban players like vilma from there union and keep them out of the game themselves. Not doing so would be an embarressment to the millions of dollars they fought for the injured retired players

  31. shlort says: May 2, 2012 8:58 PM

    Being a former prosecutor makes her independent? I would think being a prosecutor would lead you to automatically assume guilt. After all, it is in the job description.

  32. dewalt2990 says: May 2, 2012 9:05 PM

    Shouldn’t there have been a former defense attorney in the review too? Or was it just all stone throwing? Doesn’t sound very fair.

  33. tony420 says: May 2, 2012 9:05 PM

    Game, Set, Match.

  34. staph1nfection says: May 2, 2012 9:06 PM

    I don’t understand how Moe from The Three Stooges relates to this article.

  35. wunsa says: May 2, 2012 9:09 PM

    former prosecutors are so inclined to look at the evidence from the defense point of view…right…

  36. RedStateDave says: May 2, 2012 9:12 PM

    I see you legal scholars have made it to this story as well. Goodell has made the right decision and it’s based on facts and procedures agreed upon by the idiots at the NFLPA. Go whine somewhere else, losers. The Saints and the scumbags they’ve had playing for them for years are lucky they’re getting off this easy.

  37. RedStateDave says: May 2, 2012 9:13 PM

    This is a slam dunk by Goodell. And it’s the right thing to do.

  38. genericuser8888 says: May 2, 2012 9:15 PM

    @shian11
    ” in the public eye and scrutiny, would a business suspend coaches and players millions and millions of dollars without proof?”

    Sure they would. Especially if they were facing a BILLION dollar concussion lawsuit and wanted to prove they were serious about player safety.

    (BTW, I edited your statement for grammar a bit. Sorry!)

  39. nogoodell says: May 2, 2012 9:16 PM

    She died in Star Trek

  40. wludford says: May 2, 2012 9:20 PM

    NFLPA:

    How much time, money and effort are you spending on the victims of these players?

    How about the hundreds of other players who’ve suffered career-ending injuries, or life disabilities, because of cheap-shots, illegal hits, and bounty-programs?

    Get a clue.

  41. bearsandjazz says: May 2, 2012 9:22 PM

    genericuser8888 you are as bad as these players. Your two blabbering conspiracy theories above  address only 1 scenario….that the NFL is hiding something. Funny how in all that has been proven so far by confessions alone you refuse to admit theres proof of wrong doing. You look past basic facts already proven trying to find a small loophole. You people arguing about a well deserved punishment or embarrassing yourselves and have no idea what the game of football is all about….sad

  42. mjkelly77 says: May 2, 2012 9:26 PM

    Sounds like the players are doomed.

  43. mjkelly77 says: May 2, 2012 9:31 PM

    genericuser8888 says:May 2, 2012 8:35 PM

    edit: oops. I mean “more words” not “more worlds”. Sorry for the typo there.
    ______________

    The typo is the least egregious thing you’ve posted.

  44. alldonesmith says: May 2, 2012 9:37 PM

    I’ve seen a lot of uneducated Saints fans (no big surprise) screaming at the top of their lungs about “innocent until proven guilty” in these articles. As a lawyer (and thus someone qualified to actually understand those terms), let me explain to you Saints fans why you are completely misusing them:

    The reason the standard of guilt in criminal cases is “beyond a reasonable doubt” and the concept of “innocent until proven guilty” is so important is that the potential price of getting it wrong is the wrongful conviction of an innocent man or woman, and that person’s incarceration and loss of freedom. In plain English, if they get it wrong you go to jail. That’s a huge deal, and that’s why our society would rather let ten criminals go free than convict one innocent person.

    In civil cases, the burden of proof is much lower: all you need is a preponderance (simple majority, ie 51%) of the evidence to find in favor of one party or another. That’s because the potential price of being wrong isn’t incarceration, it’s money. Money that can be replaced. Although it sucks when the jury finds for the wrong party, that’s the reality of human existence: we’re not perfect, and sometimes we get things wrong. That doesn’t mean we don’t try.

    This case is clearly MUCH more similar to a civil case than a criminal case. In fact, the penalty for being wrong is even LOWER than your average civil case because most civil judgments completely wipe out the losing party’s savings. Even if the suspensions hurt the players’ marketing potential, they are all obscenely rich and honestly I feel less than zero sympathy for them in that regard.

    So basically, the controversy comes down to this: who do you believe? Because whoever you believe clearly has at least 51% of your confidence, and that’s good enough for a court of law. Clearly, a rational person believes the side that has signed statements from two coaches, the GM and a player that was involved, all of whom lied about it until they were presented with concrete evidence that made them realize it was pointless to lie anymore.

  45. bigbeefyd says: May 2, 2012 9:46 PM

    So am I the only guy in the world that heard the Saints player yelling “Favre is out, pay me my money” when the NFL Network replayed that NFC Championship game? I can’t be. I know some of you, even some of the Aints fans, heard it. Dude thought he had a payday. You all know it. You cannot watch the highlights of that, or any of the other playoff games, and see the egregious late hits, and not know in your heart that they were trying to break guys.

    Broncos fan, with no axe to grind. Just saying.

  46. patriotinvasion says: May 2, 2012 9:50 PM

    BountyGate punishments speaks for themselves. Goodwill and the NFL brass think spygate was no big deal compared to this…

    2009 Saints*

    *only team to have their Head Coach and half their team suspended for cheating the salary cap and the integrated of fellow players on a “pay-for-injury” scheme…shameful and tainted.

  47. profootballwalk says: May 2, 2012 9:58 PM

    Mary Jo? What does Billy Bob think?

  48. rubberinnertube says: May 2, 2012 9:59 PM

    The guy currently works in criminal defense, so give the prosecutor impartiality comments a rest.

  49. anarchopurplism says: May 2, 2012 10:00 PM

    NFLPA and the punished players appear to be grandstanding. NFLPA looks to be using any punishment situation to leverage input on that process.

    This is not a judicial procedure. The League Office should play some poker: “submit or fines double” as a previous poster suggested.

    Man up and take your medicine!

    STOP THE LIES

  50. 6thsense79 says: May 2, 2012 10:04 PM

    All I know is that the NFL just took significant cap space from the Cowboys and Redskins claiming both teams violated rules. When it came time to show the evidence the league couldn’t because no written rule was broken. Excuse me if I’m a little skeptical of anything comming out the league without some sort of proof.

  51. deathtoromo says: May 2, 2012 10:14 PM

    What does the pic of a Bosnian goat farmer have to do with this story??

  52. stevenfbrackett says: May 2, 2012 10:21 PM

    Laughing at all the people who are claiming Ms White is biased because she used to work as a prosecutor. I guess they all skipped over the part where it clearly says she now works as a defense attorney.

    There is evidence and it has been made available to the NFLPA — they just decided not to go to New York and have a look at it. And of course, the signed confessions shouldn’t be considered evidence either apparently — or when the the Saints staff all read their lawyer written apologies for ‘inappropriate conduct’, you know the conduct they now are trying to say they didn’t do even though they already admitted publicly to doing….

    I swear, the Saints and the NFLPA could not possibly have handled this situation any worse.

    If they would have all just stood up and said, “We really screwed up big time. We let ourselves get caught up in winning at all costs and sacrificed our integrity, both individually and as a team. It was wrong. Completely wrong. And I am so sorry. Should punishment be deemed appropriate, I will accept it humbly and you can rest assured, I am and will continue to reflect on the error of my ways and work as hard as I possibly can to ensure that what happened here, never, ever happens again.” — people would have been pissed off and disappointed but would have forgiven them once they saw that they were actually changing their ways. But every day they continue to lie and deny they lose more fans, the goodwill of the nation of all fans and damage the company brand.

    And I am STILL waiting for Tom Benson to be even a little upset that his staff and players have put his company/team in this horrible position.

  53. metrocritical says: May 2, 2012 10:31 PM

    Dear Skeptics United:

    Answer a question or two, please. Why would the league conjure up this convoluted, scenario, conduct investigations, obtain admissions, hire an independent evaluator and mete out unprecedented punishment without legitimate justification? To what end, advantage or purpose? If you can propose a mature, rational, dispassionate, fact based, unbiased, agenda free, explanation without resort to personal attacks, many would love to hear what you have to say.

    Anyone?

  54. thcnote says: May 2, 2012 10:54 PM

    shian11 says:
    May 2, 2012 8:55 PM
    I’m really tired of hearing from the nflpa and the saints players on this. Look at it from a clear perspective. Would a buisness, in the public eye and scrutiny would a buisness suspend coaches and players millions and millions of dollars without proof. Roger goddell would not stake his reputation on such a large mistake. If the players and nflpa have an issue with the appeals process, I would agree, however, myself nor anyone else in the public agreed as they did during the 100 billion dollar negotiation that would be the appeals process.

    I still am perplexed at the nflpa aggressive approach in th defense of players who have committed the acts with not nearly as dedication to defend the players who were attacked.

    It’s a shame on this day that we continue to talk about players like this instead of focusing on class acts like the signing of Eric legrand by the Bucs. The nflpa should understand that in this violent game where injuries like legrand’s can occur at anytime, there is no room for even the inference of intentionally injuring another and I challenge the nflpa that if indeed it is brought to light the specifics of the acts are indeed to injure players, that the nflpa ban players like vilma from there union and keep them out of the game themselves. Not doing so would be an embarressment to the millions of dollars they fought for the injured retired players
    ———

    Well said my man.

  55. chad504boy says: May 2, 2012 11:09 PM

    Wow, I know she goes to Super Cuts. But in any case, what kind of defense is this for the NFL when she gets to review “evidence” that clearly nobody else can see nor know validity of its origination or how about a rebuttal from the opposing parties instead of just accepting plea bargains from the wussies… (Hargrove and Williams) cause obviously they have clear agenda and motivation to lie and throw others under the bus.

  56. beeronthefridge says: May 2, 2012 11:14 PM

    HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA!

  57. bigbadal21 says: May 2, 2012 11:31 PM

    Why would the NFL tarnish its name by bringing unwarrented charges against the team and its players? This is the last think the NFL wanted to do but they were left with no choice because the Saints organization would not stop what they were doing. Anyone who claims a witchhunt has not taken the time to think this through. The Saints scandal hurts the NFL and its brand. The NFL tried to get the Saints to cease these activities but to no avail. It is the Saints organization who backed the NFL into a corner now they cry unfair.

  58. granadafan says: May 2, 2012 11:35 PM

    So that’s what happened to Janet Reno. I don’t really believe these player denials issued statements written by lawyers. These players are the ones denying taking drugs or their crimes all the time. The coaches admitted the bounties, so the fake denials by the ones actually getting the money to injure rings quite hollow. Admit it now and get leniency. Deny and suffer the full wrath like Gregg Williams.

  59. bballdad says: May 2, 2012 11:44 PM

    Noevidenceatall. Can the commissioner interpret that? Absolutely not…he could care less!!!

  60. infectorman says: May 2, 2012 11:57 PM

    @metrocritical:
    If you can propose a mature, rational, dispassionate, fact based, unbiased, agenda free, explanation without resort to personal attacks, many would love to hear what you have to say.

    ****

    You’ve just ruled out at all of the Usual insult hurling suspects – you know who you are.

    Reality is, the people questioning evidence, strength of, or merely the existence of, may be in for a rude awakening.
    The league may not be under any pressure to disclose the investigations findings to John Q. NFL FAN out here in cyber-land or any other land.
    Should a case go to an actual trial, then perhaps we get to the actual legal process of discovery, highly unlikely though.
    This attorney, having been a US Attorney prosecutor by trade, is perfectly logical to spearhead the process; as a prosecutor, she is in the best position to “size-up” a case’s evidential merits and a evaluate the strength of the case based upon the evidence collected during the investigations, ad the merits of the investigative process itself.
    Having had to determine whether or not to bring presumably hundreds of cases to trial as a former prosecutor – seems she would be more than qualified to oversee the process.

    BTW, people are complaining about the her being “bought and paid for” by the NFL.
    Who the EFF else is going to enlist her services for the purpose of propriety and fair play?
    The Tax-payers? Think not.

  61. supert1978 says: May 3, 2012 12:16 AM

    Wow. Saint fans are unbelievable. You could show them sugar. Looks like sugar, tastes like sugar… but it’s not sugar.Even if they watched it being harvested. They would still say it was something else. Anything but their beloved poobag of an organization is at fault here. Gotta be a conspiracy, right? Cause it really helps the NFL to have a scandal like this on their hands. It helps Goodell and the NFL to have this kind or tarnish on the NFL as an organization? Tell me something Saint fans. Why, oh why, would the NFL want any of these things to be true???!!!! It makes the NFL LOOK BAD! Morons! It took three years and constant pressure for the NFL to finally have an investigation! This is NOT what the NFL wants!

  62. flannlv says: May 3, 2012 12:45 AM

    You mean to tell me a person who was paid by the NFL came to the same conclusion that the NFL did? Oh my. How predictable.

  63. mactimo says: May 3, 2012 1:44 AM

    that dude looks pissed!

  64. musicman495 says: May 3, 2012 2:49 AM

    shian11 says: May 2, 2012 8:55 PM

    I’m really tired of hearing from the nflpa and the saints players on this. Look at it from a clear perspective. Would a buisness, in the public eye and scrutiny would a buisness suspend coaches and players millions and millions of dollars without proof. Roger goddell would not stake his reputation on such a large mistake.
    ———————————
    This has nothing to do with “mistakes.” This is a well orchestrated plan by the commissioner using the Saints as scapegoats to attempt to avoid league liability in the coming brain injury suits by former players. They found the Saints had a pay for performance program just as many other teams have had over the years, covered it up for three years, intentionally did not investigate to find out if other teams had similar programs – even other teams previously coached by Gregg Williams, tried to strong armed the players assn into going along with their investigation, and refuse to make any evidence available to back up their claims to the NFLPA or their player reps, and now hammer the Saints to show how tough they are on player safety. That is no “mistake.”

  65. logic4sale says: May 3, 2012 3:38 AM

    Everybody is asking for evidence but the evidence has been given by the people who orchestrated it. People who admitted to the existence of the program: Sean Peyton, Greg Williams, Joe Vitt, Mickey Loomis, Jeremy Shockey (supposedly) and Anthony Hargrove. 6 people admitted to the program and at no point during that process did you hear from Vilma’s Lawyers even though his name was being criticized as a possible leader and contributor to the bounty system. Now that money is being taken away from him, he steps up and says something? Sounds like Vilma wasn’t concerned about his name…but his money… LAWYER UP!

  66. gweez76 says: May 3, 2012 4:39 AM

    Oh a prosecutor felt their was enough evidence to move forward? Then it’s fine cause you know, if it were a real trial all you need is a prosecutor to pronounce you guilty and you go to jail.

    That’s how it works right?

  67. thekiltedjedi says: May 3, 2012 5:38 AM

    Wasn’t she in NCIS LA? Perhaps she was in The Incredibles

  68. miamisaint3255 says: May 3, 2012 5:54 AM

    translation: NFL paid Mary Jo a lot of money to conduct an investigation of the secret evidence if and only if Mary Jo would support the NFL. NFL has no intention of ever showing NFLPA or any of the suspended players any of the secret evidence. Mary Jo says it is good, after collecting about 500k or so for doing so, and the suspended players and saints should just give up asking for the evidence.

    NFL could have for free shared with the suspended players and public the magical secret evidence, but instead chose to spend a lot of money to get Mary Jo to agree with them about the secret evidence.

    Mary Jo agreeing with NFL is no different than two opposing parties in court each having expert witnesses that completely disagree with one another, with each agreeing with the party paying them a large fee for their services.

    Mary Jo has it all figured out, without speaking to the suspended players… NFL is counting on fans in general to be dumb enough to be influenced by statement of NFL’s paid counsel like Mary Jo, so much so that they forget about NFL not showing the public or even the suspended players and their counsel the alleged evidence.

  69. truthserum4u says: May 3, 2012 6:08 AM

    The NFL has no obligation to provide any of their findings to the media or public. The league doesn’t have to “prove” anything to the fans.

    They’ve never handed out their info from other investigations or findings; drug test results, tampering charges, etc. so why would they start now?

    Anyone believing they are “owed” an explanation of the details the league found are living in a dream world, because the NFL doesn’t report to the fans or media.

  70. bigdicebuddha says: May 3, 2012 6:48 AM

    Ferris Bueller called, he wants his haircut back.

  71. vikingamericann says: May 3, 2012 7:19 AM

    This could be very good news for the Saints and the NFLPA. TheNFL said between 22 and 27players would be suspended. Yet only 4 were. That means the attorney may have concluded that over 80% of the evidence was faulty. Thus, strengthening theNFLPA’s case.

  72. robf2010 says: May 3, 2012 7:45 AM

    “Why would the league conjure up this convoluted”

    It was a golden opportunity. They have abundant lawsuits coming up. Let’s put on a play and show how wrong all of those lawsuits are. Ahh, we have something here in New Orleans. Let’s make them the star of our play. They’re in one of the smallest markets. We can’t go after the Giants, who publicly admitted trying to injure players. They’re one of our marquis teams in our home city. The Saints will do fine. The Saints, for their part, did not help themselves by angering the hanging judge.

  73. hebertespinosa says: May 3, 2012 8:08 AM

    Honestly, I don’t know what kind of additional evidence is needed other than a confession. Anyway, if the NFLPA wants to keep wasting their time on the cause, that’s on them.

  74. theandy59 says: May 3, 2012 8:11 AM

    No amount of evidence would ever change the opinion of someone who has already made up their mind about what happened. It’s human nature. Once we accept a strongly held belief as truth, evidence challenging that truth is discredited and/or dismissed. The more evidence we see, the stronger we cling to our original belief. If God himself descended from the Heavens and addressed fans in the SuperDome to tell them that yes, the Saints coaches and players are guilty, most fans would either claim that it wasn’t really God, but the Devil in disguise; that He’s just saying that because of the debauchery of New Orleans; that He really doesn’t understand the game and should stick to more important things; at best, you’d get an acknowledgement that, okay, they’re guilty, but what’s the big deal? It’s football!

  75. tropicpurple says: May 3, 2012 8:32 AM

    @alldonesmith/ you’re confusing $aints fans with facts.

    As to others who rather make adolecent remarks about her looks, grow-up. Comments like those make you sound stupid, just saying.

    As someone once posted on this site — one should be at least 21 to post comments — if not physically, mentally.

  76. gbmickey says: May 3, 2012 8:53 AM

    The real unfortunate thing here is the kids that were left behind in the Louisiana educational system. Are the masses in that area really this braindead? Numerous admissions of guilt by coaches and players, along with audio and there is still some conspiracy or vendetta by Goodell? Not only has the team fallen from grace the fanbase has as well. It has become pretty pathetic.

  77. jimmysee says: May 3, 2012 8:56 AM

    Hiring a former prosecutor does not necessarily ” ensure fairness of the process .”

    Why not hire Ron Kuby or other well know defense counsel.

    Having a prosecutor do the job is like hiring the fox to guard the hen house.

  78. ernie ernie says: May 3, 2012 9:32 AM

    Holy crap! She would scare the truth out of me, no doubt about that.

    IMHO the NFL dotted every i and crossed every t before it came down with its punishment.

    The NFLPA deliberately told the players involved to not meet with or talk to the NFL during the investigation so they could take the tact of being a he said she said confrontation.

    If the players involved are innocent, its time to prove that. Bring your evidence.

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