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Saints players will receive the “due process” for which the union bargained

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Filmmaker Sean Pamphilon, who injected himself into the Saints bounty scandal by releasing, over the objection of Steve Gleason, audio from former Saints defensive coordinator Gregg Williams that Pamphilon recorded the night before the Saints lost to the 49ers in the division-round playoffs, is now injecting himself into the discipline imposed on the players who funded and/or received money for inflicting injury on opponents.

“In the USA we have due process,” Pamphilon says on Twitter.  “Where is evidence?  Who hears the appeal?  Rise up NFL media and say what’s true.  Where you at Mike Florio?

Here I am, Sean.  And here’s everything you need to know.

First, the four players who have been suspended — Jonathan Vilma, Anthony Hargrove, Will Smith, and Scott Fujita — each had a chance to meet with the Commissioner before the disciplined was determined.  They declined.

Regardless of their reason for not taking advantage of a chance to meet with the Commissioner before the suspensions were imposed, they declined.

Second, they each have the right to appeal the decision.  While plenty of people are complaining that Commissioner Roger Goodell will handle the appeal of the decision he already has made (and those complaints are in many respects valid), that’s the procedure to which the players agreed in the August 2011 labor deal.  (Adam Schefter of ESPN reports, as we surmised, that the union will argue that the appeals should be heard by Art Shell or Ted Cottrell, who were jointly appointed and are jointly paid by the NFL and the NFLPA.)

During the appeal process, evidence will be presented, by both sides.  Hopefully, the evidence will be made publicly available, so that the media can scrutinize it and determine whether the sanctions were justified.

For Pamphilon’s sake, here’s also hoping that there’s no proof implicating Fujita.  As Pamphilon separately said on Twitter, “Show me the evidence Scott Fujita ever paid a man to hurt someone or took $ to do so and I will cut one of my testicles off & chew on it.”

Let’s further hope that scene will be omitted from any of Pamphilon’s upcoming documentaries.

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81 Responses to “Saints players will receive the “due process” for which the union bargained”
  1. lolb23 says: May 2, 2012 3:58 PM

    Tax evasion = prison time. Be careful what you wish for dirt bags.

  2. mdd913 says: May 2, 2012 3:59 PM

    If you think Czar Goodell is going to make any of the evidence public you’ve not been paying attention to the way he operates. Guy is shady, shady, shady.

  3. lolb23 says: May 2, 2012 4:00 PM

    “Beyond the clear and continuing violations of league rules, and lying to investigators, the bounty program is squarely contrary to the league’s most important initiatives — enhancing player health and safety and protecting the integrity of the game,” NFL commissioner Roger Goodell said in a statement. “Let me be clear. There is no place in the NFL for deliberately seeking to injure another player, let alone offering a reward for doing so. Any form of bounty is incompatible with our commitment to create a culture of sportsmanship, fairness, and safety.”

    Inbred Saint fans. STOP asking for evidence. You lost. Deal with it.

  4. melikefootball says: May 2, 2012 4:00 PM

    Lets hope God-del and his hinchman stand their ground. Thes guys want to call foul after the fact..they were caught and involved in WANTING to HURT other players for the sake of MONEY. Not to win but for MONEY.

  5. mdd913 says: May 2, 2012 4:00 PM

    and despite Sean Pamphlion coming up in defense of my team, I still think he is a dirtbag.

  6. ilovefoolsball says: May 2, 2012 4:00 PM

    What a dweeb.

  7. homelanddefense says: May 2, 2012 4:00 PM

    lol, due process. The NFL isnt a court of law. Almost as funny as people saying their rights are being taken away when they are censored on websites.

  8. cruuuzcontrol says: May 2, 2012 4:01 PM

    Paging Sam Pamphilon… Please report back to obscurity. No one cares what you think.

  9. thankheavenfornumberseven says: May 2, 2012 4:01 PM

    Pamphilon separately said on Twitter, “Show me the evidence Scott Fujita ever paid a man to hurt someone or took $ to do so and I will cut one of my testicles off & chew on it.”
    _______

    We have to hold him to this. If you’re going to make a statement like that, you have to follow through.

  10. packersareandwillalwaysbebetterthanthebears says: May 2, 2012 4:01 PM

    Because he has so much evidence to disprove it? The NFL wishes this never happened. If it wasn’t that serious, we wouldn’t hear about it.

  11. vtopa says: May 2, 2012 4:01 PM

    Pamphilon sounds like a guy who want so to keep making documentaries about NFL players but knows he now has a credibility issue for SCREWING OVER Steve Gleason. Sorry Pamphilon, no amount of sucking up to players is going to make people forget that you brooke the trust of a guy with ALS.

  12. Manbearpig says: May 2, 2012 4:03 PM

    2009 Super Bowl Champions – New Orleans Saints*

  13. jackers252 says: May 2, 2012 4:04 PM

    He is saying to do some digging, not just waiting till Schefter or Mort break it and then repeating it.

    Ask to see the evidence NOW. Don’t just trust one side (NFL’s) on these issues. Scott Shanle wrote today that it is not true that all the players had a chance to be heard by the league. Dig into that a little.

    Find out where the evidence is. Find out if there were written transactions or just words from disgruntled former employees. Find out if it was just players like Hargrove covering their own butts.

    That is what he is saying. Give an unbiassd report (like that will ever happen).

  14. tecmobowl2k says: May 2, 2012 4:07 PM

    Bad day for Linebackers
    RIP Junior

  15. nineroutsider says: May 2, 2012 4:08 PM

    @packersareandwillalwaysbebetterthanthebears says: May 2, 2012 4:01 PM

    Because he has so much evidence to disprove it? The NFL wishes this never happened. If it wasn’t that serious, we wouldn’t hear about it.
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    Seriously, the league had to expose one of it’s own members. They tried to get them to stop privately numerous times and finally had to expose them or someone else was going to do it. If that happened, the league would have had a cavity search in store for them…probably from Congress.

  16. mdd913 says: May 2, 2012 4:10 PM

    lolb23 says: May 2, 2012 4:00 PM
    Inbred Saint fans. STOP asking for evidence. You lost. Deal with it.

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    You use that word “inbred” a lot. Something you trying to tell us?

    And why should a Saints fan, or ANYBODY for that matter, not want to see the evidence?

    If your mother or father or one of your children was about to be sent to prison for a crime, wouldn’t you want to know why? Or would you just accept summary judgment just “because”?

    I realize your a Saints hater and have been for long before any of this started and that’s why you’re being so vocal, but try thinking for yourself for five minutes. For once in your life.

  17. rgthreetodc says: May 2, 2012 4:10 PM

    “Hopefully, the evidence will be made publicly available, so that the media can scrutinize it and determine whether the sanctions were justified.”…wow…because media can always think rationally and would never go for sensationalism? If that did happen though, it would be early christmas for people like Skip Bayless

  18. eaglebobby says: May 2, 2012 4:12 PM

    Still no comment from you on the fact that instead of meeting with the commisioner in person, Anthony Hargrove wrote a statement to the commisioner, admitting to the bounty program and his role in it. That story, again, is published by Dan Wetzel, on Yahoo.com. And again, with a chance to publish the story, you’ve declined.

  19. boobsmcgoo says: May 2, 2012 4:14 PM

    I would like to encourage my fellow Saints fans to cease complaining. The news today is great! Only two current Saints suspended, out of a reported 22-27 players.

    I would also like to encourage Viking fan to stick it up his asterisk!

  20. brettfavresmidget says: May 2, 2012 4:17 PM

    Hopefully, the evidence will be made publicly available, so that the media can scrutinize it and determine whether the sanctions were justified.
    ______________________

    Why do I care if the media thinks it’s justified? Here’s an idea, why doesn’t the media just present the facts and let me decide on my own if the sanctions are justified. mmkay?

    Oh, and Brett Favre….

  21. goodolebaghead says: May 2, 2012 4:18 PM

    Right or wrong, no body, no murder weapon, no case. Goodell rushed in and kicked ass without finding the facts and has accidently opened a big can of worms. He didn’t cover his ass, and now he is getting sucked down the rabbit hole with the rest of these players.

    I am not defending the Saints, and as a fan, I think the punishments were perfectly fine. Heck, they won’t even effect the team as a whole at this point, so I could care less.

    However, the commish’s knee jerk reaction is going to end up costing him in the long run.

  22. mdd913 says: May 2, 2012 4:20 PM

    boobsmcgoo says: May 2, 2012 4:14 PM

    I would like to encourage my fellow Saints fans to cease complaining. The news today is great! Only two current Saints suspended, out of a reported 22-27 players.

    —————————————————————

    I am not complaining for the sake of my team. the time for that is long past.

    I am complaining for the sake of the NFL and the sport I love, because what I and many others see is a commissioner who acts unilaterally, routinely abuses his power, and has made false testimony in front of the United States Congress.

  23. trubroncfan07 says: May 2, 2012 4:22 PM

    What is worse, a team that goes out and intentionally tries to go out and hurt players, or a team that has filmed you and knows exactly what play you are going to run a crucial times. Tough call.

  24. kkautsky says: May 2, 2012 4:23 PM

    Hey Pamphilon, being paid to hurt someone and getting $ to hurt someone is the same thing. So if you get the evidence will you chew on both testicles?

  25. dolphindad says: May 2, 2012 4:25 PM

    Sean Pamphlion shouldn’t have said that. Does he think the NFL doesn’t have any evidence that Fujita was involved? you think Goodell just picked a random player, didn’t like his number, and suspended him while not suspending others? Obviously he had some evidence he thought was enough to suspend him for 3 games. He was either implicated by other players or perhaps the coaches. that is evidence.

    Darren Sharper needs to stay off the radio and stop trying to be the spokesman for the Saints. he’s only making it worse. he comes accross as ignorant.

    Saints and Saint fans need to stop calling this an “enhanced play program” or “highlight play reward progra” and admit what is was – a bounty program where players were paid for injuring other players. history will not be ont he side of those defending this thing.

  26. rayburns says: May 2, 2012 4:25 PM

    Peter King reported on another website that Commissioner Goodell presented the NFL’s case to a very successful prosecuting attorney who, after reviewing the evidence twice, told the league that they had a solid case.

  27. cwwgk says: May 2, 2012 4:26 PM

    When did the media become experts in due process such that it now holds itself out as being able to “scrutinize” the evidence and unilaterally determine if the sanctions were “just”? The coverage of this ordeal by PFT has been rather arrogant. The media simply reports on what others do. Please step down off your pedestal and let the public form their own opinions.

  28. jakek2 says: May 2, 2012 4:26 PM

    Saints fans should band together and sue the NFL for the $$ they’ve paid for season tickets. I’m willing to bet many of them would not have paid had they known that d-bag Goodell would plunder the team. The fans did not get what was bargained for and the NFL should be liable.

  29. vikingamericann says: May 2, 2012 4:26 PM

    lolb23 | May 2, 2012, 3:58 PM EDT
    Tax evasion = prison time. Be careful what you wish for dirt bags.
    Other options
    1.Claim Gift tax if under 12k does not have to be reported

    2. Amended return fix problem pay penalties No jail

    Dude don’t do your own taxes even on short form you’re just too stupid to handle it.

  30. mulletcork says: May 2, 2012 4:26 PM

    Roger Creepell needs to make this evidence public.

    Furthermore, this most certainly was an “on-field” issue. Creepell has no business overseeing the appeal.

    Not that it matters really, since his henchmen will just do his bidding. Conflicts of interest everywhere.

  31. ampats says: May 2, 2012 4:29 PM

    What people do not want to understand is that the punishments are notonly based on the bounties but the fact that the Saints players/coaches lied to Goddell going back to 2010 and continued to conceal the truth.

    When Spygate broke not only did the Patriots admit what was going on but turned over all the evidence (tapes) .

    I know my last paragraph should bring out the moronic responses of the usual clowns.

  32. jdandcoke says: May 2, 2012 4:31 PM

    hopefully these suspensions close the book on this nonsense…..i seriously think that most nfl fans, the majority of whom dont care about the saints one way or the other, are sick of hearing about it already.

  33. gadgetdawg says: May 2, 2012 4:37 PM

    On SI.com today, Peter King writes:

    Former U.S. attorney Mary Jo White, who successfully prosecuted noted mob boss John Gotti for murder and racketeering in 1992, was brought in by the league to pore over all the evidence. White reviewed the findings of the league’s internal investigations (one in early 2010, and a renewed investigation early this year) and reportedly told the league its case is solid.

    Sounds like due diligence to me.

  34. dolphindad says: May 2, 2012 4:41 PM

    goodolebaghead says:
    May 2, 2012 4:18 PM
    Right or wrong, no body, no murder weapon, no case. Goodell rushed in and kicked ass without finding the facts and has accidently opened a big can of worms. He didn’t cover his ass, and now he is getting sucked down the rabbit hole with the rest of these players.

    I am not defending the Saints, and as a fan, I think the punishments were perfectly fine. Heck, they won’t even effect the team as a whole at this point, so I could care less.

    However, the commish’s knee jerk reaction is going to end up costing him in the long run.

    not sure what you are talking about. he interviewed the saints coaches and others. where you in those meetings?? how do you know what was said and what evidence was and was not presented? you dont think Gooddell asked Payton and williams which players put down cash? he also has audio of Williams telling players to knock people in the head and test out ACLs. what more do you want? its taken like 2 months for the decision to come out on this. how is that knee jerk?

  35. sfsaintsfan says: May 2, 2012 4:43 PM

    Over a three year period the entire Saints defense had ZERO “knock-outs” or “cart-offs” as a result of illegal hits. ZERO!

    Goddell has 50,000 pages of “evidence” too bad there was just none of it on the field……

    ZERO outcome on the field.

    But that doesn’t matter to Goodell.

  36. bearsandjazz says: May 2, 2012 4:48 PM

    Most of you on heat love to distort the truth. Like the idiot above who said Goodells punishment was a knee jerk reaction….remind me how long has the NFL been investigating?? Come on people stop acting so picked on by Goodell and the NFL, Williams, Payton and Hargrove admitted it. What more do you want….I’m sure for the naive saints fan nothing short of a written letter of guilt is going to make you think it’s fair. I hope Goodell continues on his course of being the COMMISSIONER, can’t let players and coaches think they cando whatever they want because they make millions. To think 3 people admitting wrong doing isn’t enough for you idiots. You know the real crime is Drew Brees claiming he knew nothing about what was going on….im not sure what’s worse a naive fan or a Lying company line man like Brees. He says everything right in front of the camera but a weasel behind it.

  37. ilovefoolsball says: May 2, 2012 4:51 PM

    Manbearpig go back to trying to hold on to your dying stadium, it needs you to fill it with all the hot air you can spare, which seems to be a lot.

    and

    lolb23 says: May 2, 2012 4:00 PM

    Inbred Saint fans. STOP asking for evidence. You lost. Deal with it.
    _______
    You’re just as bad, and a coward at that.

  38. kronix7 says: May 2, 2012 4:51 PM

    Haha wow.

  39. kronix7 says: May 2, 2012 4:54 PM

    Kinda sounds like Mangini now. “I regret sending that video now” lol

  40. nineroutsider says: May 2, 2012 4:57 PM

    mdd913 says: May 2, 2012 4:20 PM

    boobsmcgoo says: May 2, 2012 4:14 PM

    I would like to encourage my fellow Saints fans to cease complaining. The news today is great! Only two current Saints suspended, out of a reported 22-27 players.

    —————————————————————

    I am not complaining for the sake of my team. the time for that is long past.

    I am complaining for the sake of the NFL and the sport I love, because what I and many others see is a commissioner who acts unilaterally, routinely abuses his power, and has made false testimony in front of the United States Congress.
    ——————————————–
    Yet you don’t complain that your team put Saints fans and the league in this position? Interesting…

  41. musicman495 says: May 2, 2012 4:58 PM

    eaglebobby says: May 2, 2012 4:12 PM

    Still no comment from you on the fact that instead of meeting with the commisioner in person, Anthony Hargrove wrote a statement to the commisioner, admitting to the bounty program and his role in it. That story, again, is published by Dan Wetzel, on Yahoo.com. And again, with a chance to publish the story, you’ve declined.
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    And again, no one has seen the statement except the league office. We have no idea what Hargrove admitted to, only what the league tells us he admitted to.

  42. musicman495 says: May 2, 2012 4:59 PM

    gadgetdawg says: May 2, 2012 4:37 PM

    On SI.com today, Peter King writes:

    Former U.S. attorney Mary Jo White, who successfully prosecuted noted mob boss John Gotti for murder and racketeering in 1992, was brought in by the league to pore over all the evidence. White reviewed the findings of the league’s internal investigations (one in early 2010, and a renewed investigation early this year) and reportedly told the league its case is solid.
    ————————–
    Good choice, since Goodell is behaving more like a Mafia Don than a commissioner of anything.

  43. kchoya says: May 2, 2012 4:59 PM

    “Still no comment from you on the fact that instead of meeting with the commisioner in person, Anthony Hargrove wrote a statement to the commisioner, admitting to the bounty program and his role in it. That story, again, is published by Dan Wetzel, on Yahoo.com. And again, with a chance to publish the story, you’ve declined.”

    That’s funny, PFT posted earlier to day that Hargrove admitted to the bounty program:

    “The NFL says that Hargrove eventually admitted his role in the team’s bounty program, but that at first ‘Hargrove also actively obstructed the league’s 2010 investigation into the program by being untruthful to investigators.'”

  44. warrenmoon says: May 2, 2012 5:02 PM

    What does Favre think?

  45. steelersmichele says: May 2, 2012 5:16 PM

    Mike, you should clarify and say most players voted for the discipline process in the CBA. In case you forgot, the steelers voted against it.

  46. elhombre21 says: May 2, 2012 5:17 PM

    and yet, somewhere, brees is still waiting for an explanation….

  47. veetan says: May 2, 2012 5:21 PM

    lolb23 says: May 2, 2012 4:00 PM
    Inbred Saint fans. STOP asking for evidence. You lost. Deal with it.
    ===========================
    Man, I sure wish the Vikings fans would take your advice and apply it to the NFS Championship game that they lost because they choked so badly with the 12 man penalty, 5 turnovers, including Farve’s terrrible interception.

    Please speak to them for all of us, lolb23!

  48. nolarules says: May 2, 2012 5:25 PM

    lolb23
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    what team do you even cheer for? inbred this and inbred that? certainly trying to wear that one out I see

  49. nolarules says: May 2, 2012 5:27 PM

    Pamphilon
    Please remember that you are not wanted or welcome in New Orleans ever again.

  50. nolarules says: May 2, 2012 5:36 PM

    dolphindad says:
    May 2, 2012 4:25 PM
    Sean Pamphlion shouldn’t have said that. Does he think the NFL doesn’t have any evidence that Fujita was involved? you think Goodell just picked a random player, didn’t like his number, and suspended him while not suspending others? Obviously he had some evidence he thought was enough to suspend him for 3 games. He was either implicated by other players or perhaps the coaches. that is evidence.

    Darren Sharper needs to stay off the radio and stop trying to be the spokesman for the Saints. he’s only making it worse. he comes accross as ignorant.

    Saints and Saint fans need to stop calling this an “enhanced play program” or “highlight play reward progra” and admit what is was – a bounty program where players were paid for injuring other players. history will not be ont he side of those defending this thing.
    ——————————————–
    Only problem with this is that calling this ” a bounty program where players were paid for injuring other players” is that apparently no one ever got paid as the cart offs and injuries were not seen on TV during games. Better way to put it would be a bounty program where players WOULD BE paid for injuring other players if they ever did.
    Regardless, punishments have been handed out. About what I expected.

  51. lolb23 says: May 2, 2012 5:37 PM

    Dude don’t do your own taxes even on short form you’re just too stupid to handle it.
    ______________________________

    I am happy to compare W2’s with you any day, sir. :-)

  52. saint4life says: May 2, 2012 5:37 PM

    As a saints fan I can understand everybodys animosity towards the saints to the fullest. Take a step back and look at this situation through a persons eyes and not a fan of another team.
    More than one player has stated that this is all a bunch of bull about bounties. This bounty program was taken out of context and even if Hargrove gave a statement to the nfl that he was a part of bounties who’s to say that he wasn’t forced to do it either. You can’t say things like that don’t happen. The penalties aren’t as bad as they could have been for our organization. Why would players all across the league come to the defense of saints players who are accused of trying to injure them? I personally don’t think they don’t believe any of this crap either that is being spewed out of goodells mouth. If the saints were to be the team to put an end to the corruption that is the nfl I would be even more proud of our franchise.

  53. mikemac1027 says: May 2, 2012 5:39 PM

    Pamphilon is scum. Don’t trust anything he says, look at his track record

  54. lolb23 says: May 2, 2012 5:39 PM

    If your mother or father or one of your children was about to be sent to prison for a crime, wouldn’t you want to know why? Or would you just accept summary judgment just “because”?

    I realize your a Saints hater and have been for long before any of this started and that’s why you’re being so vocal, but try thinking for yourself for five minutes. For once in your life.
    ________________________________

    How inbred are you lol? When was the last court case that was EVER decided by family members looking at the evidence? God damn Katrina, you left some dumb asses behind.

  55. lolb23 says: May 2, 2012 5:43 PM

    You’re just as bad, and a coward at that.
    _________________________________

    Your uncle sleeping with your sister and you sleeping with your mom doesn’t make me a coward. It makes me sick.

  56. kodakinvegas says: May 2, 2012 5:44 PM

    It is most likely to the BENEFIT of players AND the NFL that the witheld evidence be kept I’n house. It’s a private enterprise, not a criminal law case. It’s NOT legally required to be made public and ALL players have signed an autograph to the by-laws of said enterprise. You think its dirty water now, turn it over to the press and you’ll be making MUD PIES it’ll get so dirty. The Saints screwed up just like the Patriots did and now they gotta pay the fiddler. N.o. Fans, players, coaches, shut up and deal with it. Be glad it wasn’t a heckofalot
    WORSE. Crybabies, seriously, full grown, whiny a$$Ed male CRYBABIES. I wish you could just see yourselves and your united whiney effort. You got busted, you have a right to remain silent– DO IT. Please.

  57. crackbubba says: May 2, 2012 5:44 PM

    Isnt Sean Pampers 15 minutes of over yet?

  58. jluns275 says: May 2, 2012 5:53 PM

    Ha!
    Suck it up all you crybaby Taints fans.
    This is all become a bit laborious, but entirely pleasant.
    Welcome to the rest of your lives being the scum of the league.
    Enjoy!

  59. gadgetdawg says: May 2, 2012 5:57 PM

    Good choice, since Goodell is behaving more like a Mafia Don than a commissioner of anything.
    ————————————–

    And yet she didn’t find fault with the NFL she found it with the Saints. Very interesting . . .

  60. vbe2 says: May 2, 2012 6:04 PM

    Why do you put Tamphilon’s name into an article? The idiot is just trying to get public attention and you play right into the idiots hands.

  61. malgorthewarrior says: May 2, 2012 6:10 PM

    nothing new here-the legal system has been destroying the dreams of black men for years.

  62. vikingamericann says: May 2, 2012 6:17 PM

    Only problem with this is that calling this ” a bounty program where players were paid for injuring other players” is that apparently no one ever got paid as the cart offs and injuries were not seen on TV during games. Better way to put it would be a bounty program where players WOULD BE paid for injuring other players if they ever did.
    Regardless, punishments have been handed out. About what I expected.

    lolb23 | May 2, 2012, 5:37 PM EDT
    Dude don’t do your own taxes even on short form you’re just too stupid to handle it.
    ______________________________

    I am happy to compare W2′s with you any day, sir.

    You will lose. I’ll put my K1s and 1099s against your W2. Not that you know what all that means peasant.

  63. jokendave says: May 2, 2012 6:18 PM

    It is most likely to the BENEFIT of players AND the NFL that the witheld evidence be kept I’n house. It’s a private enterprise, not a criminal law case. It’s NOT legally required to be made public and ALL players have signed an autograph to the by-laws of said enterprise. You think its dirty water now, turn it over to the press and you’ll be making MUD PIES it’ll get so dirty. The Saints screwed up just like the Patriots did and now they gotta pay the fiddler. N.o. Fans, players, coaches, shut up and deal with it. Be glad it wasn’t a heckofalot
    WORSE. Crybabies, seriously, full grown, whiny a$$Ed male CRYBABIES. I wish you could just see yourselves and your united whiney effort. You got busted, you have a right to remain silent– DO IT .
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    It may not be a criminal case but it sure is a civil case. Taking livelyhood away without showing evidence and defamation for the same reason. This now dose’nt have to be settled in Godells office. Even CBA cannot stop a civil suit. The laws are for everyone, not everyone but the NFL. I myself believe if you let the union run your case like Payton and Loomis, you get what you get. Common sense would say you don’t appeal to the same guy that set the punishment. I mean really?

  64. mdd913 says: May 2, 2012 6:29 PM

    nineroutsider says: May 2, 2012 4:57 PM
    Yet you don’t complain that your team put Saints fans and the league in this position? Interesting…

    —————————————————————–
    It is not the Saints fault that they are being scapegoated for the league’s public image problem that’s being caused by a zillion and one lawsuits.

    It is not the Saints fault that Roger Goodell actively attempted to cover up evidence that concussion and brain injury are common in the NFL.

    It is not the Saints fault that Roger Goodell stood up and TESTIFIED BEFORE THE FREAKING U.S. CONGRESS that there was no connection between head injuries and playing in the NFL.

    It is not the Saints fault that Roger Goodell burned the Spygate evidence.

    It is not the Saints fault that Roger Goodell has been abusive of his power since the minute he took office.

    And it is not the Saints fault that Roger Goodell has denied to produce evidence of their supposed wrongdoing, OPENLY VIOLATING THE TERMS OF THE COLLECTIVE BARGAINING AGREEMENT SIGNED JUST LAST YEAR.

    Are the Saints truly the evildoers the NFL wants us to believe, or are they simply a convenient scapegoat, symptomatic of a much larger league-wide problem?

    Roger Goodell’s pattern of behavior suggests the latter.

  65. mdd913 says: May 2, 2012 6:33 PM

    lolb23 says: May 2, 2012 5:39 PM
    How inbred are you lol? When was the last court case that was EVER decided by family members looking at the evidence? God damn Katrina, you left some dumb asses behind.

    —————————————————————
    Thanks for proving you’re so dense you don’t even understand basic justice.

    Tell you want, when you are ready to show some intelligence and talk about this in a reasonable and intelligent manner, I’ll be happy to indulge you.

    Until then, you’re welcome to go around throwing out a bunch of meaningless insults and trivial garbage and making yourself look like a total clown.

    Have a nice day.

  66. mdd913 says: May 2, 2012 6:35 PM

    jokendave says: May 2, 2012 6:18 PM

    It is most likely to the BENEFIT of players AND the NFL that the witheld evidence be kept I’n house.

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    Why should the Saints care a lick about the benefit of the NFL? The league office has totally thrown them under the bus. Why should they give a crap about saving the reputation of a scumbag like Roger Goodell?

  67. vikingamericann says: May 2, 2012 6:37 PM

    lolb23 | May 2, 2012, 5:43 PM EDT

    Inbred comments are soooo funny. Especially coming from someone who is the byproduct of a same sex copulation between a Raiders and Eagles fan after a six month drug an alcohol binge while hanging out at Occupy Oakland.

  68. csmit44 says: May 2, 2012 6:45 PM

    Wow this story is really bringing out only the most intelligent folks today.

  69. lolb23 says: May 2, 2012 6:51 PM

    mdd913, that’s what I thought. You get to see the evidence in the court room, same as anyone else. Until then, shut it. You aren’t special, and you are not entitled to anything.

  70. lolb23 says: May 2, 2012 6:53 PM

    vikingamericann says: May 2, 2012 6:37 PM

    lolb23 | May 2, 2012, 5:43 PM EDT

    Inbred comments are soooo funny. Especially coming from someone who is the byproduct of a same sex copulation between a Raiders and Eagles fan after a six month drug an alcohol binge while hanging out at Occupy Oakland.
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    This kind of comment might bother the other 5 graders in your class but all it does for me is provide proof you really are from MN.

  71. lolb23 says: May 2, 2012 6:58 PM

    You will lose. I’ll put my K1s and 1099s against your W2. Not that you know what all that means peasant.
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    1099’s are obviously for self employed people. Yikes. I hope you don’t hide too much. After all, we live in a very poor market where the housing prices are plummeting. If you ever have to move, or refinance, you’ll have to provide the required debt ratios to do so. Usually a steep request for you SE type with all the NINA and SI loans a thing of the past. But you probably already know that by now.

    Oh, and K1’s obviously show what % of the business you own. Gator hunter? Shelby, is that you?

  72. brianbosworthisstonecold says: May 2, 2012 7:10 PM

    2009 Super Bowl Champions – New Orleans Saints*

  73. xenova1 says: May 2, 2012 7:24 PM

    They probably didn’t meet with the commish knowing his mind was already made up and anything they say could be twisted. It was evident that this was going to the appeals process where they might get an unbiased punishment.

    Junior Seau will be missed.

  74. drgreenstreak says: May 2, 2012 8:03 PM

    Pamphilon is doing nothing less than trying to redeem himself and remain welcome among NFL folk.
    I wish he could because he did the right thing. Ain’t gonna happen though.

    mmm…. CHEWY!

  75. vikingamericann says: May 2, 2012 8:13 PM

    This kind of comment might bother the other 5 graders in your class but all it does for me is provide proof you really are from MN.

    lolb23 |
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    1099′s are obviously for self employed people. Yikes. I hope you don’t hide too much. After all, we live in a very poor market where the housing prices are plummeting. If you ever have to move, or refinance, you’ll have to provide the required debt ratios to do so. Usually a steep request for you SE type with all the NINA and SI loans a thing of the past. But you probably already know that by now.

    I won’t give you free financial advice for your Lemonade Stand, but there are some very clever and legal ways to bury income that don’t involve loans. Still calling on a natural disaster to kill more people isn’t exactly Minnesota Nice.

  76. RedStateDave says: May 2, 2012 8:28 PM

    I notice some of you “online legal scholars” can’t even spell much less make a coherent argument for why Goodell has overplayed his hand. The guy, in spite of what you morons think, is a clever guy. There’s no way he did this without knowing in advance it’d hold up in civil court if need be. Stop whining and acting as if this was unexpected. The sorry jerks who were doing this would be in jail if this were any circumstances not “in the game”.

  77. kodakinvegas says: May 2, 2012 8:43 PM

    Sorry JOKENDAV, but that’s EXACTLY WHAT the NFLPA AND PLAYERS APPROVED I’n their latest CBA agreement. Dumb? Yes. But it’s yheir own dam fault. They agreed to it. These guys got degrees and are making elementary school mistakes In negotiations. They signed away their rights. Not you and I , but they yhemselves and their representatives. Look at the $$$ deal they made on the network television proceeds. I know concussions have hit the NFL hard but have they knocked them all stupid? Sure seems like it and then they whine about what they AGREED to. Their own fault. They could have held out for larger percentages, insurances, committes, player rep panels, etc. They’re idiots. Yes, Goodell is a one man Ruler, but they voted and agreed to let it be that way. Instead of crying, put that energy toward making real changes next time.

  78. kodakinvegas says: May 2, 2012 9:00 PM

    By the way? Nobody I’n the publics eye knows what evidence they have shown to those involved. Payton and company. But evidently it was enough to make the drop their head, confess, turn around and with tail tucked tightly between their cheeks they walked away and SHUT UP. Pretty good indication that there was MORE than they care to discuss placed before them. I’ll lay odds that none of them want the cat out of the box I dont like Goodell, but he’s doing what’s I’n the best interest of the NFL, not the Saints. He’s got 31 other teams to protect, as well as the NFL shield. Any corporate head can understand what he’s doing and the probability of why. The less the press knows, the better. They’re like bottom feeders. Always stirring up the mud anywhere they can. If the players involved don’t like his decision, let THEM give the evidence to the press. Why hasn’t Payton or Loomis done that yet? Uh, oh, ok, never mind. Later

  79. mjkelly77 says: May 2, 2012 9:09 PM

    Sean Pamphilon? Isn’t his 15 minutes of fame up yet?

  80. sdisme says: May 2, 2012 10:55 PM

    Since the only evidence the NFL has provided is:

    4. In each of the 2009-2011 seasons, the Saints were one of the top five teams in the league in roughing the passer penalties. In 2009 and 2011, the Saints were also in the top five teams in unnecessary roughness penalties; in 2010, the Saints ranked sixth in the category. In the January 16, 2010 divisional playoff game against the Arizona Cardinals, Saints defensive players were assessed $15,000 in fines for fouls committed against opposing players. The following week, in the NFC Championship Game against the Minnesota Vikings, Saints defensive players were assessed $30,000 in fines for four separate illegal hits, several of which were directed against quarterback Brett Favre.

    (BTW the statements above are mostly false)

    I’m not sure how this falls in off the field actions.

  81. espnfeedback says: May 3, 2012 4:45 AM

    By its own common legal definition NBC and its affiliates(along with DISNEY, ABC ,CBS, FOX etc etc ) are all ‘broadcast partners’. In other words during broadcasts, during game week, and during the off season across these respective platforms they ‘sell soap’ at consistently high ad rate based on the popularity of the game of NFL Football.

    So I don’t believe it is an unfair assertion to ponder whether a media that eats and deciminates dividends to shareholders based on the popularity of the NFL is neutered in its journalistic veracity to completely investigate the hand that feeds.

    @ESPNfeedback

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