Comments on: Saints players will receive the “due process” for which the union bargained http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/05/02/saints-players-will-receive-the-due-process-for-which-the-union-bargained/ ProFootballTalk on NBCSports.com Sat, 25 May 2013 22:02:07 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.com/ By: espnfeedback http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/05/02/saints-players-will-receive-the-due-process-for-which-the-union-bargained/#comment-1761378 Thu, 03 May 2012 08:45:51 +0000 http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=653589#comment-1761378 By its own common legal definition NBC and its affiliates(along with DISNEY, ABC ,CBS, FOX etc etc ) are all ‘broadcast partners’. In other words during broadcasts, during game week, and during the off season across these respective platforms they ‘sell soap’ at consistently high ad rate based on the popularity of the game of NFL Football.

So I don’t believe it is an unfair assertion to ponder whether a media that eats and deciminates dividends to shareholders based on the popularity of the NFL is neutered in its journalistic veracity to completely investigate the hand that feeds.

@ESPNfeedback

]]> By: sdisme http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/05/02/saints-players-will-receive-the-due-process-for-which-the-union-bargained/#comment-1761173 Thu, 03 May 2012 02:55:17 +0000 http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=653589#comment-1761173 Since the only evidence the NFL has provided is:

4. In each of the 2009-2011 seasons, the Saints were one of the top five teams in the league in roughing the passer penalties. In 2009 and 2011, the Saints were also in the top five teams in unnecessary roughness penalties; in 2010, the Saints ranked sixth in the category. In the January 16, 2010 divisional playoff game against the Arizona Cardinals, Saints defensive players were assessed $15,000 in fines for fouls committed against opposing players. The following week, in the NFC Championship Game against the Minnesota Vikings, Saints defensive players were assessed $30,000 in fines for four separate illegal hits, several of which were directed against quarterback Brett Favre.

(BTW the statements above are mostly false)

I’m not sure how this falls in off the field actions.

]]> By: mjkelly77 http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/05/02/saints-players-will-receive-the-due-process-for-which-the-union-bargained/#comment-1761021 Thu, 03 May 2012 01:09:35 +0000 http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=653589#comment-1761021 Sean Pamphilon? Isn’t his 15 minutes of fame up yet?

]]> By: kodakinvegas http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/05/02/saints-players-will-receive-the-due-process-for-which-the-union-bargained/#comment-1760998 Thu, 03 May 2012 01:00:55 +0000 http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=653589#comment-1760998 By the way? Nobody I’n the publics eye knows what evidence they have shown to those involved. Payton and company. But evidently it was enough to make the drop their head, confess, turn around and with tail tucked tightly between their cheeks they walked away and SHUT UP. Pretty good indication that there was MORE than they care to discuss placed before them. I’ll lay odds that none of them want the cat out of the box I dont like Goodell, but he’s doing what’s I’n the best interest of the NFL, not the Saints. He’s got 31 other teams to protect, as well as the NFL shield. Any corporate head can understand what he’s doing and the probability of why. The less the press knows, the better. They’re like bottom feeders. Always stirring up the mud anywhere they can. If the players involved don’t like his decision, let THEM give the evidence to the press. Why hasn’t Payton or Loomis done that yet? Uh, oh, ok, never mind. Later

]]> By: kodakinvegas http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/05/02/saints-players-will-receive-the-due-process-for-which-the-union-bargained/#comment-1760962 Thu, 03 May 2012 00:43:27 +0000 http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=653589#comment-1760962 Sorry JOKENDAV, but that’s EXACTLY WHAT the NFLPA AND PLAYERS APPROVED I’n their latest CBA agreement. Dumb? Yes. But it’s yheir own dam fault. They agreed to it. These guys got degrees and are making elementary school mistakes In negotiations. They signed away their rights. Not you and I , but they yhemselves and their representatives. Look at the $$$ deal they made on the network television proceeds. I know concussions have hit the NFL hard but have they knocked them all stupid? Sure seems like it and then they whine about what they AGREED to. Their own fault. They could have held out for larger percentages, insurances, committes, player rep panels, etc. They’re idiots. Yes, Goodell is a one man Ruler, but they voted and agreed to let it be that way. Instead of crying, put that energy toward making real changes next time.

]]> By: RedStateDave http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/05/02/saints-players-will-receive-the-due-process-for-which-the-union-bargained/#comment-1760927 Thu, 03 May 2012 00:28:29 +0000 http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=653589#comment-1760927 I notice some of you “online legal scholars” can’t even spell much less make a coherent argument for why Goodell has overplayed his hand. The guy, in spite of what you morons think, is a clever guy. There’s no way he did this without knowing in advance it’d hold up in civil court if need be. Stop whining and acting as if this was unexpected. The sorry jerks who were doing this would be in jail if this were any circumstances not “in the game”.

]]> By: vikingamericann http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/05/02/saints-players-will-receive-the-due-process-for-which-the-union-bargained/#comment-1760897 Thu, 03 May 2012 00:13:56 +0000 http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=653589#comment-1760897 This kind of comment might bother the other 5 graders in your class but all it does for me is provide proof you really are from MN.

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1099′s are obviously for self employed people. Yikes. I hope you don’t hide too much. After all, we live in a very poor market where the housing prices are plummeting. If you ever have to move, or refinance, you’ll have to provide the required debt ratios to do so. Usually a steep request for you SE type with all the NINA and SI loans a thing of the past. But you probably already know that by now.

I won’t give you free financial advice for your Lemonade Stand, but there are some very clever and legal ways to bury income that don’t involve loans. Still calling on a natural disaster to kill more people isn’t exactly Minnesota Nice.

]]> By: drgreenstreak http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/05/02/saints-players-will-receive-the-due-process-for-which-the-union-bargained/#comment-1760866 Thu, 03 May 2012 00:03:27 +0000 http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=653589#comment-1760866 Pamphilon is doing nothing less than trying to redeem himself and remain welcome among NFL folk.
I wish he could because he did the right thing. Ain’t gonna happen though.

mmm…. CHEWY!

]]> By: xenova1 http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/05/02/saints-players-will-receive-the-due-process-for-which-the-union-bargained/#comment-1760793 Wed, 02 May 2012 23:24:53 +0000 http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=653589#comment-1760793 They probably didn’t meet with the commish knowing his mind was already made up and anything they say could be twisted. It was evident that this was going to the appeals process where they might get an unbiased punishment.

Junior Seau will be missed.

]]> By: brianbosworthisstonecold http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/05/02/saints-players-will-receive-the-due-process-for-which-the-union-bargained/#comment-1760752 Wed, 02 May 2012 23:10:52 +0000 http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=653589#comment-1760752 2009 Super Bowl Champions – New Orleans Saints*

]]> By: lolb23 http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/05/02/saints-players-will-receive-the-due-process-for-which-the-union-bargained/#comment-1760706 Wed, 02 May 2012 22:58:53 +0000 http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=653589#comment-1760706 You will lose. I’ll put my K1s and 1099s against your W2. Not that you know what all that means peasant.
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1099′s are obviously for self employed people. Yikes. I hope you don’t hide too much. After all, we live in a very poor market where the housing prices are plummeting. If you ever have to move, or refinance, you’ll have to provide the required debt ratios to do so. Usually a steep request for you SE type with all the NINA and SI loans a thing of the past. But you probably already know that by now.

Oh, and K1′s obviously show what % of the business you own. Gator hunter? Shelby, is that you?

]]> By: lolb23 http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/05/02/saints-players-will-receive-the-due-process-for-which-the-union-bargained/#comment-1760688 Wed, 02 May 2012 22:53:12 +0000 http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=653589#comment-1760688 vikingamericann says: May 2, 2012 6:37 PM

lolb23 | May 2, 2012, 5:43 PM EDT

Inbred comments are soooo funny. Especially coming from someone who is the byproduct of a same sex copulation between a Raiders and Eagles fan after a six month drug an alcohol binge while hanging out at Occupy Oakland.
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This kind of comment might bother the other 5 graders in your class but all it does for me is provide proof you really are from MN.

]]> By: lolb23 http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/05/02/saints-players-will-receive-the-due-process-for-which-the-union-bargained/#comment-1760681 Wed, 02 May 2012 22:51:46 +0000 http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=653589#comment-1760681 mdd913, that’s what I thought. You get to see the evidence in the court room, same as anyone else. Until then, shut it. You aren’t special, and you are not entitled to anything.

]]> By: csmit44 http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/05/02/saints-players-will-receive-the-due-process-for-which-the-union-bargained/#comment-1760659 Wed, 02 May 2012 22:45:27 +0000 http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=653589#comment-1760659 Wow this story is really bringing out only the most intelligent folks today.

]]> By: vikingamericann http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/05/02/saints-players-will-receive-the-due-process-for-which-the-union-bargained/#comment-1760639 Wed, 02 May 2012 22:37:43 +0000 http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=653589#comment-1760639 lolb23 | May 2, 2012, 5:43 PM EDT

Inbred comments are soooo funny. Especially coming from someone who is the byproduct of a same sex copulation between a Raiders and Eagles fan after a six month drug an alcohol binge while hanging out at Occupy Oakland.

]]> By: mdd913 http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/05/02/saints-players-will-receive-the-due-process-for-which-the-union-bargained/#comment-1760630 Wed, 02 May 2012 22:35:03 +0000 http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=653589#comment-1760630 jokendave says: May 2, 2012 6:18 PM

It is most likely to the BENEFIT of players AND the NFL that the witheld evidence be kept I’n house.

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Why should the Saints care a lick about the benefit of the NFL? The league office has totally thrown them under the bus. Why should they give a crap about saving the reputation of a scumbag like Roger Goodell?

]]> By: mdd913 http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/05/02/saints-players-will-receive-the-due-process-for-which-the-union-bargained/#comment-1760627 Wed, 02 May 2012 22:33:07 +0000 http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=653589#comment-1760627 lolb23 says: May 2, 2012 5:39 PM
How inbred are you lol? When was the last court case that was EVER decided by family members looking at the evidence? God damn Katrina, you left some dumb asses behind.

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Thanks for proving you’re so dense you don’t even understand basic justice.

Tell you want, when you are ready to show some intelligence and talk about this in a reasonable and intelligent manner, I’ll be happy to indulge you.

Until then, you’re welcome to go around throwing out a bunch of meaningless insults and trivial garbage and making yourself look like a total clown.

Have a nice day.

]]> By: mdd913 http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/05/02/saints-players-will-receive-the-due-process-for-which-the-union-bargained/#comment-1760620 Wed, 02 May 2012 22:29:22 +0000 http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=653589#comment-1760620 nineroutsider says: May 2, 2012 4:57 PM
Yet you don’t complain that your team put Saints fans and the league in this position? Interesting…

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It is not the Saints fault that they are being scapegoated for the league’s public image problem that’s being caused by a zillion and one lawsuits.

It is not the Saints fault that Roger Goodell actively attempted to cover up evidence that concussion and brain injury are common in the NFL.

It is not the Saints fault that Roger Goodell stood up and TESTIFIED BEFORE THE FREAKING U.S. CONGRESS that there was no connection between head injuries and playing in the NFL.

It is not the Saints fault that Roger Goodell burned the Spygate evidence.

It is not the Saints fault that Roger Goodell has been abusive of his power since the minute he took office.

And it is not the Saints fault that Roger Goodell has denied to produce evidence of their supposed wrongdoing, OPENLY VIOLATING THE TERMS OF THE COLLECTIVE BARGAINING AGREEMENT SIGNED JUST LAST YEAR.

Are the Saints truly the evildoers the NFL wants us to believe, or are they simply a convenient scapegoat, symptomatic of a much larger league-wide problem?

Roger Goodell’s pattern of behavior suggests the latter.

]]> By: jokendave http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/05/02/saints-players-will-receive-the-due-process-for-which-the-union-bargained/#comment-1760589 Wed, 02 May 2012 22:18:37 +0000 http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=653589#comment-1760589 It is most likely to the BENEFIT of players AND the NFL that the witheld evidence be kept I’n house. It’s a private enterprise, not a criminal law case. It’s NOT legally required to be made public and ALL players have signed an autograph to the by-laws of said enterprise. You think its dirty water now, turn it over to the press and you’ll be making MUD PIES it’ll get so dirty. The Saints screwed up just like the Patriots did and now they gotta pay the fiddler. N.o. Fans, players, coaches, shut up and deal with it. Be glad it wasn’t a heckofalot
WORSE. Crybabies, seriously, full grown, whiny a$$Ed male CRYBABIES. I wish you could just see yourselves and your united whiney effort. You got busted, you have a right to remain silent– DO IT .
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It may not be a criminal case but it sure is a civil case. Taking livelyhood away without showing evidence and defamation for the same reason. This now dose’nt have to be settled in Godells office. Even CBA cannot stop a civil suit. The laws are for everyone, not everyone but the NFL. I myself believe if you let the union run your case like Payton and Loomis, you get what you get. Common sense would say you don’t appeal to the same guy that set the punishment. I mean really?

]]> By: vikingamericann http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/05/02/saints-players-will-receive-the-due-process-for-which-the-union-bargained/#comment-1760585 Wed, 02 May 2012 22:17:51 +0000 http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=653589#comment-1760585 Only problem with this is that calling this ” a bounty program where players were paid for injuring other players” is that apparently no one ever got paid as the cart offs and injuries were not seen on TV during games. Better way to put it would be a bounty program where players WOULD BE paid for injuring other players if they ever did.
Regardless, punishments have been handed out. About what I expected.

lolb23 | May 2, 2012, 5:37 PM EDT
Dude don’t do your own taxes even on short form you’re just too stupid to handle it.
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I am happy to compare W2′s with you any day, sir.

You will lose. I’ll put my K1s and 1099s against your W2. Not that you know what all that means peasant.

]]> By: malgorthewarrior http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/05/02/saints-players-will-receive-the-due-process-for-which-the-union-bargained/#comment-1760567 Wed, 02 May 2012 22:10:33 +0000 http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=653589#comment-1760567 nothing new here-the legal system has been destroying the dreams of black men for years.

]]> By: vbe2 http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/05/02/saints-players-will-receive-the-due-process-for-which-the-union-bargained/#comment-1760554 Wed, 02 May 2012 22:04:55 +0000 http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=653589#comment-1760554 Why do you put Tamphilon’s name into an article? The idiot is just trying to get public attention and you play right into the idiots hands.

]]> By: gadgetdawg http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/05/02/saints-players-will-receive-the-due-process-for-which-the-union-bargained/#comment-1760531 Wed, 02 May 2012 21:57:26 +0000 http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=653589#comment-1760531 Good choice, since Goodell is behaving more like a Mafia Don than a commissioner of anything.
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And yet she didn’t find fault with the NFL she found it with the Saints. Very interesting . . .

]]> By: jluns275 http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/05/02/saints-players-will-receive-the-due-process-for-which-the-union-bargained/#comment-1760517 Wed, 02 May 2012 21:53:46 +0000 http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=653589#comment-1760517 Ha!
Suck it up all you crybaby Taints fans.
This is all become a bit laborious, but entirely pleasant.
Welcome to the rest of your lives being the scum of the league.
Enjoy!

]]> By: crackbubba http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/05/02/saints-players-will-receive-the-due-process-for-which-the-union-bargained/#comment-1760472 Wed, 02 May 2012 21:44:49 +0000 http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=653589#comment-1760472 Isnt Sean Pampers 15 minutes of over yet?

]]> By: kodakinvegas http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/05/02/saints-players-will-receive-the-due-process-for-which-the-union-bargained/#comment-1760471 Wed, 02 May 2012 21:44:32 +0000 http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=653589#comment-1760471 It is most likely to the BENEFIT of players AND the NFL that the witheld evidence be kept I’n house. It’s a private enterprise, not a criminal law case. It’s NOT legally required to be made public and ALL players have signed an autograph to the by-laws of said enterprise. You think its dirty water now, turn it over to the press and you’ll be making MUD PIES it’ll get so dirty. The Saints screwed up just like the Patriots did and now they gotta pay the fiddler. N.o. Fans, players, coaches, shut up and deal with it. Be glad it wasn’t a heckofalot
WORSE. Crybabies, seriously, full grown, whiny a$$Ed male CRYBABIES. I wish you could just see yourselves and your united whiney effort. You got busted, you have a right to remain silent– DO IT. Please.

]]> By: lolb23 http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/05/02/saints-players-will-receive-the-due-process-for-which-the-union-bargained/#comment-1760469 Wed, 02 May 2012 21:43:58 +0000 http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=653589#comment-1760469 You’re just as bad, and a coward at that.
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Your uncle sleeping with your sister and you sleeping with your mom doesn’t make me a coward. It makes me sick.

]]> By: lolb23 http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/05/02/saints-players-will-receive-the-due-process-for-which-the-union-bargained/#comment-1760444 Wed, 02 May 2012 21:39:33 +0000 http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=653589#comment-1760444 If your mother or father or one of your children was about to be sent to prison for a crime, wouldn’t you want to know why? Or would you just accept summary judgment just “because”?

I realize your a Saints hater and have been for long before any of this started and that’s why you’re being so vocal, but try thinking for yourself for five minutes. For once in your life.
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How inbred are you lol? When was the last court case that was EVER decided by family members looking at the evidence? God damn Katrina, you left some dumb asses behind.

]]> By: mikemac1027 http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/05/02/saints-players-will-receive-the-due-process-for-which-the-union-bargained/#comment-1760443 Wed, 02 May 2012 21:39:13 +0000 http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=653589#comment-1760443 Pamphilon is scum. Don’t trust anything he says, look at his track record

]]> By: saint4life http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/05/02/saints-players-will-receive-the-due-process-for-which-the-union-bargained/#comment-1760436 Wed, 02 May 2012 21:37:49 +0000 http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=653589#comment-1760436 As a saints fan I can understand everybodys animosity towards the saints to the fullest. Take a step back and look at this situation through a persons eyes and not a fan of another team.
More than one player has stated that this is all a bunch of bull about bounties. This bounty program was taken out of context and even if Hargrove gave a statement to the nfl that he was a part of bounties who’s to say that he wasn’t forced to do it either. You can’t say things like that don’t happen. The penalties aren’t as bad as they could have been for our organization. Why would players all across the league come to the defense of saints players who are accused of trying to injure them? I personally don’t think they don’t believe any of this crap either that is being spewed out of goodells mouth. If the saints were to be the team to put an end to the corruption that is the nfl I would be even more proud of our franchise.

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