Turn out the light, the party is over………..

The NFL doesn’t have to show us anything. The “court of public opinion” is not a real court. This is just the way things work.

Keep it up NFL. Clean up the sport.

Quote: “White, who was retained by the NFL but who described her work as an “independent review” of the process, said that she has reviewed all evidence and that the factual basis for the punishments imposed against the players is “quite strong.” She also described the overall process as “thorough, fair, and robust.”

White characterized the punishments as arising from “very strong corroborating evidence,” both from “multiple, independent first-hand accounts” and the 18,000 documents gathered.”
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I’m sorry folks…I’m not buying this opinion of Lawyer White…way too fast…too convenient, IMO.

The NFL’s case has an odor of “something is rotten in Denmark”.

Another point…I have never witnessed the degree of secrecy being exhibited by the NFL in this case.
…”unnamed persons” testifying in support of Commissioner Goodell and the NFL…will the NFL allow them to be cross examined by the accused?

Should we just assume these “unnamed persons” are telling the truth and their integrity is unimpeachable?

This case does not concern terrorism or the mafia…no one died and no one had their life threatened…matter of fact, there wasn’t even a flag thrown for roughing. There is absolutely no need for this level of secrecy in this case.

The Constitution of the United States, Sixth Amendment, gives the accused the right to face their accusers. I realize this Constitutional Right pertains to “criminal prosecutions” and the NFL could claim this case is not criminal, therefore they are not required to afford the accused their Sixth Amendment rights.

If the NFL’s evidence is so strong, it should have no problem surviving the court of public opinion. But, as long as Roger Goodell and the NFL operate under this veil of secrecy, with unnamed sources that hide their identity…it raises questions about the NFL’s case against these four individuals.

This case should be litigated according to the rule of law of the United States.

But then again, this is Goddell’s Modus Operandi. He pulled the same thing with Spygate when he ordered the Pats video tapes be destroyed without disclosing what was on it.

What was on those Patriots tapes?

What is the “strong” evidence on the Saints players?

HAHAHAHAHAHA.

Brett Farve

He was probably the only QB other than maybe Roelisthberger that could have finished the game taking the hits that he did. Vilma just needs to take his year suspension and be thankful it’s not a lifetime ban.

You can’t have it both ways–if Ben could be punished by the NFL and the legal system didn’t “count”, then why should the law have any bearing in this situation?

The vast majority of those 50k pages are supposedly 3 years worth of printed internal team emails … probably in 96pt font.

Who cares what a flunky lawyer paid for by the NFL says about the case? Let’s see the evidence. Come on ESPN and Florio? Can’t you guys get your hands on some of this stuff?

Biggest hit with be suspensions within the coaching staff. Two of the four players suspended are no longer with the Saints. One will be suspended for only 4 games (Will Smith). The other (Vilma) was looking at getting cut for performance reasons, and they’ve signed an upgrade at LB. I don’t see it having the effect you anticipate.

You release it to the public. The media scours through it. They (hopefully) do their job and present the relevant tidbits. Sorta like anything else.

Any knowledge you have of any evidence in any trial is, likely, gleaned in a similar manner. Simple.

But, according to reports, including from Schefter, there is a strong possibility this battle will go beyond an appeal and into federal court (much like the StarCaps case a few years back). So the comparisons to the judicial system may be very just.

One point, this is not a criminal case, there is no jury, and no one is going to Jail. This is a workplace issue. Primary in these cases is Fairness and Thoroughness.

Can’t wait for the season to begin -

“Without those fundamental protections, anyone can accuse anyone else of anything.”

The factual reporting in this was OK. The opinion suffers horribly. Sounds to me like no one is accusing anyone frivolously as you imply. I haven’t seen the evidence, but it sure sounds significant. Did you even read the quote you cited?

No, anyone cannot accuse anyone of anything and expect to get away with it, not without 18,000 pages of evidence and multiple independent first-hand accounts.

All that was admitted to was a pay for performance system which players from nearly ever other teams have come out and said that they do. There was no pay for INJURY scheme ever. The word bounty was never used until the NFL came out with all of this nonsense. Do you know how easy it is to intentionally hurt someone on the football field? VERY EASY. Show me the evidence of on the field that players were injured over the last 3 years and that money changed hands directly as a result of injuries. Right now all i’ve seen is a fiery locker room speech from a guy who would also use Nat Geo films of animals attacking each other in the wild to get them fired up.

Let me reitterate.

NO PAY FOR INJURY SCHEME WAS EVER ADMITTED TO.

Show me the injuries that were caused by this program along with the money that changed hands from one person to another.

Isn’t that enough? How many games would make it bad enough to suspend players who rewarded/were rewarded by others for intentionally injury another player?
Why should they EVER be allowed to play again? They should be sued by the injured/targeted players.
The game against the Vikings ended Favre’s career. His ankle was destroyed. Anyone who saw that game would have seen the intent of the Saints. He could make a lot of money if he files suit.
AND if the identity of players who testified isn’t protected, no one will ever come forward again.

Probably this. I mean, are you a lawyer?

I see alot of posters saying “why doesnt the NFL just let us see the evidence”

My question is why do you think the NFL should show us anything ?

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Because we are the people who made the NFL what it is today by giving the league our hard-earned dollars.

We can take those dollars away too.

I don’t understand this world you all seem to want where one is guilty until proven innocent and the burden of proof does not fall to the accuser.

You all have a messed-up sense of justice.

For crying out loud, only four guys received suspensions. This isn’t a murder trial. These guys aren’t going to Sing-Sing. Proof? You mean like signed confessions, or somebody wearing a wire out on the field? Word-of-mouth is enough in my book. I am guessing that these four players were singled out because they had the biggest “look at me I’m a tough guy” mouths. Live by the sword , die by the sword. Call it kismet, call it fate, call it whatever you want….but it’s going to stop right now and that is all that counts.

This about sums it up! Completely agree!!