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Hargrove’s declaration was submitted to the league by the NFLPA

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The Saints bounty scandal has taken yet another curious turn.

Attached to the grievances filed Thursday by the NFLPA are the four letters sent by Commissioner Roger Goodell to the players who have been suspended, subject to appeal.

One of the letters is addressed to Packers defensive end Anthony Hargrove, who according to the NFL has confessed to various actions in a signed declaration.  Previously, we’d assumed that Hargrove signed the declaration at the behest of the NFL — and we wondered when/if Hargrove would disavow the document by claiming that he signed whatever the league put in front of him, a la Frankie Pentangeli.

As it turns out, the declaration wasn’t harvested by the NFL.  It was submitted by the NFLPA.

This makes the contents of the declaration far more persuasive, since there can now be no argument that Hargrove was in any way coerced into signing it by the league.  It also could create a conflict for the NFLPA regarding the competing interests of Hargrove and the other three players, if Hargrove admits to things that Jonathan Vilma and Will Smith publicly have denied.

The race is surely on to get the declaration.  Gentlemen (and ladies), start your Blackberries.

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  1. sdisme says: May 4, 2012 10:35 AM

    And the NFLPA says the NFL has not show sufficient evidence knowing what was in Hargrove’s statement.

    Must not be much in the statement.

  2. themonster49 says: May 4, 2012 10:35 AM

    Awesome.

  3. karlton2 says: May 4, 2012 10:37 AM

    “The race is surely on to get the declaration.”

    Then there’s only one thing to do. We’re going to steal the declaration of Anthony Hargrove.

  4. goodellsucksforever says: May 4, 2012 10:38 AM

    Good luck with this NFLPA – if this is true. You just shot yourself in the foot

  5. mrpresident50 says: May 4, 2012 10:39 AM

    “start your blackberries”….

    what a terrible joke, florio

  6. rayburns says: May 4, 2012 10:39 AM

    Wait a second, the NFLPA is saying that they haven’t seen the evidence, yet one of the key pieces of evidence was submitted by the NFLPA…?

    um….

  7. rpiotr01 says: May 4, 2012 10:40 AM

    I’m a GB fan and was looking forward to seeing what Hargrove had to offer but COME ON with this stuff. They did it. They got caught. They got caught lying about it. Now lying about it AGAIN.

    In the scheme of things 8 games isn’t that bad. Just sit, do it, take your punishment with dignity and come back ready to play.

  8. golfnutt67 says: May 4, 2012 10:42 AM

    The story that just wont go away

  9. peachyc39 says: May 4, 2012 10:46 AM

    Ha!!! This absolutely has made my Friday morning worthwhile. Now what are they gonna do?

  10. mkepackfan says: May 4, 2012 10:46 AM

    What’s a Blackberry?

  11. 13forgbp says: May 4, 2012 10:46 AM

    Drew Brees needs an explanation

  12. mrsroper says: May 4, 2012 10:47 AM

    “The Saints bounty scandal has taken yet another curious turn…”

    Oh thank God.

  13. cowboycjn says: May 4, 2012 10:49 AM

    More speculation, guessing or wondering what might happen, if, when, maybe, could possibly; when are you guys going to sit back and let the facts and activity happen then comment on it after we know something, instead of all this ranting and raving about something you know nothing about?
    We are saturated with “Saints Bashing” and all this speculative journalism by people writting THEIR OPINION.

  14. rbbnola says: May 4, 2012 10:52 AM

    Another layer of the onion gets peeled away, along with my faith in this entire process.

  15. PFTiswhatitis says: May 4, 2012 10:53 AM

    But the NFLPA is crooked..so maybe it was coerced…

  16. joetoronto says: May 4, 2012 10:53 AM

    Whatever happened to Bobby McCray in all this?

    He was the one who made Favre’s leg dark purple from hip to toe, from diving at his legs.

  17. medtxpack says: May 4, 2012 10:54 AM

    Wow, how can these players keep lying?

  18. r0b1b0y says: May 4, 2012 10:54 AM

    Hargroves Declaration probably only admits to pay for performance not injure, & that rogue GW asked him to lie….not a twist if thats the case…NFL is spinning the dec as building block evidence to pay for injure

  19. bdoubleoey says: May 4, 2012 10:55 AM

    I wonder if the NFLPA realizes how stupid they look in this process. Other then Saints fans, I dont know anyone else who is on the players side.

  20. mullman7675 says: May 4, 2012 10:57 AM

    If he rolls over and admits wrong doing, his suspension should be decreased. If the others do not confess and continue to evade the truth, they should have a few more games added to the suspension. Either way, it’s all BS. The patriots/spygate was far more egregious than the saints violation…

  21. cwmorga says: May 4, 2012 11:00 AM

    That declaration means nothing. Hargrove didn’t even play for the Saints under the current CBA.

  22. warrenmoon says: May 4, 2012 11:01 AM

    Do it Hargrove. Admit to it and watch those two get their suspension doubled for lying.

  23. jenniferxxx says: May 4, 2012 11:02 AM

    Lawyer up and search for loopholes. Translation … GUILTY.

  24. blizzard01 says: May 4, 2012 11:03 AM

    Score one for the players who were targeted by the players who denied eatsblishing bounties to hurt their fellow union members but actually did even though Brees needs an explanation and appartently a lot more bucks to stick with the sinking and captainles ship that was the Saints.

  25. jnbnet says: May 4, 2012 11:08 AM

    To all the Goodell haters, you have to look at the big picture. He is trying to protec the NFL as a whole. Player safty has to be addressed. If he does nothing, then the litigation piles up and before long, there is no NFL. NFL fans should be happy that Rodger Goodell has the backbone and vision needed to fight current and futer litigation.

  26. klunge says: May 4, 2012 11:14 AM

    mullman7675 says:
    May 4, 2012 10:57 AM
    The patriots/spygate was far more egregious than the saints violation…
    ————————————————-

    Right, because someone videotaping hand signals poses a greater physical risk to life, limb, & career of players than a bounty system.
    If this is your logic process, I must wonder if anyone you know takes you seriously?

  27. riderspantherssk says: May 4, 2012 11:17 AM

    This would go away a lot faster if guys would quit lying about what they did, but they won’t.

  28. neauxgeaux44 says: May 4, 2012 11:20 AM

    To all the jealous Saints haters above – if this was your team, you would be supportive as well…save the self-righteous crap…it is as transparent as your jealousy of the Saints….what a bunch of bottom feeders…but, when you serve hamburgers and french fries for a living, i guess you don’t know better….

    can’t wait to see “goddell’ handing the SB trophy this season to Benson….fact…

  29. robf2010 says: May 4, 2012 11:21 AM

    Hargrove is the one the NFL said obstructed the investigation and misled the NFL investigators. Why is his declaration worth anything? Furthermore, it is beyond ridiculous for anyone to consider said declaration as evidence. It is a statement. Nothing more.

  30. bullcharger says: May 4, 2012 11:22 AM

    Given Williams and Payton and Hargrove admitted to the bounty program, I don’t understand what Vilma and Smith have to gain with a complete denial. It’s likely going to shorten their suspensions. Payton already appealed and got nowhere.

    Maybe they are worried about getting sued.

  31. sdisme says: May 4, 2012 11:34 AM

    [i]bullcharger says: May 4, 2012 11:22 AM

    Given Williams and Payton and Hargrove admitted to the bounty program,[/i]

    Awesome bullcharger. This should end all debate. Can you provide a link to Payton or Williams admitting to the bounty program. – Thanks

  32. marcinhouston says: May 4, 2012 11:34 AM

    So if he was not coerced directly that means we have the incontrovertible word of a disgruntled ex-employee with a history of drug abuse who is now working for a competing employer and wants to please the authority figures who have power over him. No possible motivations for him to exaggerate others roles.

  33. mornelithe says: May 4, 2012 11:37 AM

    @ Robf2010: Most statements are actually taken at face value, unless the defense can prove it was made under duress. Which was a possibility, had it been the NFL who took the statement directly from Hargrove. But, since it was the NFLPA that took it, that makes things slightly more interesting, and less likely that he was forced into it.

    But, you never know.

  34. joetoronto says: May 4, 2012 11:38 AM

    Vilma and Smith are being advised by Roger Clemens.

  35. goodolebaghead says: May 4, 2012 11:40 AM

    Saint fan here: Way over this. Guilty or not, I just want my football back. I want all these guys to go sort this out in a locked room, where the media and jerkish-otherteamfans can’t speculate and draw moral conclusions about a whole city and it’s fanbase based on the actions of some during one period of a franchises history.

    Just play football…

  36. dandydon17 says: May 4, 2012 11:42 AM

    Props to the hairpiece guy for the Frankie Pentangeli similie.

    M. Corleone

  37. nineroutsider says: May 4, 2012 11:57 AM

    goodolebaghead says: May 4, 2012 11:40 AM

    Saint fan here: Way over this. Guilty or not, I just want my football back. I want all these guys to go sort this out in a locked room, where the media and jerkish-otherteamfans can’t speculate and draw moral conclusions about a whole city and it’s fanbase based on the actions of some during one period of a franchises history.

    Just play football…
    ———————————————–
    Good point bro…I have been one of those “jerkish-otherteamfans”…at times. I’m so over this story though now, let’s just get back to football. This is the first bounty story I’ve read since Wednesday, but I need to start skip them all the time going forward.

    On a different note…While I have no problem with Goodell, for the purposes of appearances I don’t understand why they don’t have a more independent appeals process in place. Actually I do, Goodell isn’t the commissioner we want, but he might be the one the league needs. Look around, football on all levels is going to be forced into being a safer game and the NFL is smart for trying to get out in front of it, even if us diehards don’t like it. That’s life…

  38. packhawk04 says: May 4, 2012 12:04 PM

    He was forced into it by the nflpa, who was forced to do it by the nfl. Theres no evidence. All are innocent.

    Free williams and payton!

  39. riverhorsey says: May 4, 2012 12:10 PM

    ( sdisme says: )

    And the NFLPA says the NFL has not show sufficient evidence knowing what was in Hargrove’s statement.

    Must not be much in the statement.
    ——————————————————

    Only that he confessed to the whole bounty issue.

  40. m2karateman says: May 4, 2012 12:38 PM

    ….are we there yet?

  41. ickky says: May 4, 2012 12:38 PM

    New Orleans Saints*

  42. lpd1964 says: May 4, 2012 12:45 PM

    Again, if this were in any other setting, pay to injure someone, they’d be arrested. The bottom feeders are the Saints fans who think this is no big deal.

  43. tombradysponytail says: May 4, 2012 1:04 PM

    karlton2 says:May 4, 2012 10:37 AM

    “The race is surely on to get the declaration.”

    Then there’s only one thing to do. We’re going to steal the declaration of Anthony Hargrove.

    —-

    This is a top 10 comment of all time.

  44. sdisme says: May 4, 2012 1:14 PM

    ickky says: May 4, 2012 12:38 PM

    New Orleans Saints*

    Until the NFL provides evidence there was a 3 year bounty program:

    NFL*

    Oh and evidence, not a witness that they have evidence.

  45. jason1980 says: May 4, 2012 1:16 PM

    Ipd1964…….it’s football for heaven sakes, stop ya whining. Any player in the NFL plays to take their opponent out, get over it you pansy! The Saints are coming to get you.

  46. really2011 says: May 4, 2012 1:37 PM

    goodolebaghead says:
    May 4, 2012 11:40 AM
    Saint fan here: Way over this. Guilty or not, I just want my football back. I want all these guys to go sort this out in a locked room, where the media and jerkish-otherteamfans can’t speculate and draw moral conclusions about a whole city and it’s fanbase based on the actions of some during one period of a franchises history.

    Just play football…
    ————————————————-
    I am so with you brother. Saints fan here too – honestly don’t even care anymore. There is a bit of a lie/exaggeration on both ends (NFL and Saints). The coaches/execs are punished I am good with it – the players need to grap the lawyers and Goodell and the lawyers and not say anything else about it until they agree. Please let the season start.

    On a different note, let’s stop with the Saints winning the SB in N.O. The team is good and should be in the thick of it but there is no way to know who wins this thing and saying it doesn’t make it true for the Saints or anyone else.

  47. goodolebaghead says: May 4, 2012 1:46 PM

    What a lot of you are forgetting, and maybe need to be reminded, true or not:

    1. Coaches/Players involved including GW only admitted to ‘pay for performance.’ The gaining of money for big plays like interceptions, sacks, and fumble recoveries. GW is HUGE into turnovers, unfortunately, his crappy defenses depend on it.

    2. No one openly admitted to ‘Pay for Injury.’

    3. Bounty is a term the media cooked up, and continues to say it synonymous with ‘pay for performance.’

    4. This whole time, the players/coaches have been saying the pay for injury part is not true (even though as a Saints fan I am positive it went on.)

    5. No one has shown proof, yet, of the pay for injury part. Whether it happened or not, the league SHOULD (not has to) provide evidence of it, or they set a slippery precedent where players in the future are fined/penalized based on he said/she said.

    TL;DR: Penalties were originally for ‘performance’ play, and that’s all the coaches and players admitted to. Bounty thing came later, and all the ‘injury’ penalties have been imposed without transparent proof or admissions.

    Now that you are clear, the next person that says ‘What an idiot, they admitted to it’ is actually the idiot, and has no true critical thinking skills.

    Either way, as a Saints fan, I think they are guilty. Unfortunately, penalizing players without evidence seems right in this case, but it sets a slippery slope for in the future. That is what this is now all about, and that is the point you are all missing.

  48. csmit44 says: May 4, 2012 3:17 PM

    Calling pay for performance “bounties” is as bad as others saying New Orleans “cheated”

    Really? So giving out a handful of cash to each other in the lockerroom, somehow made these guys run faster, get to the qb better, catch better, lift more?

  49. csmit44 says: May 4, 2012 3:18 PM

    “slippery slope”

    good luck trying to get some of the posters on here to figure out the meaning of this lol

  50. Little Earthquake says: May 4, 2012 3:24 PM

    Look, the NFL guys, they promised me a deal. So, so I made up a lot of stuff about Gregg Williams ’cause that’s what they wanted. But it was all lies. Uh, everything. And I kept saying Gregg Williams did this and Gregg Williams did that. So, I said yeah sure — why not?

  51. gingerkid2000 says: May 4, 2012 3:35 PM

    http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/03/02/gregg-williams-apologizes-for-terrible-mistake/

    Best Part: “I want to express my sincere regret and apology to the NFL, Mr. Benson, and the New Orleans Saints fans for my participation in the ‘pay for performance’ program while I was with the Saints,” Williams said. “It was a terrible mistake, and we knew it was wrong while we were doing it. Instead of getting caught up in it, I should have stopped it. I take full responsibility for my role. I am truly sorry. I have learned a hard lesson and I guarantee that I will never participate in or allow this kind of activity to happen again.” – GREG WILLIAMS

  52. glac1 says: May 4, 2012 3:39 PM

    a union is involved???? If so these guys should be suspended for life.

  53. jluns275 says: May 4, 2012 3:49 PM

    So much for the final shred of NFLPA credibility.

  54. veence69 says: May 4, 2012 4:04 PM

    The only thing better than watching these cheating scumbags turn into the most hated franchise in the NFL are the ‘aints fans who still think that New Orleans is going to win the Super Bowl this year..

    10 games on the road – the vitriol is going to so thick, you’ll be able to scoop it up with your gumbo spoon.

  55. csmit44 says: May 4, 2012 4:34 PM

    “10 games on the road – the vitriol is going to so thick, you’ll be able to scoop it up with your gumbo spoon.”

    The only thing better than idiot posters are idiot posters who think preseason games count.

  56. nflsecurity862 says: May 4, 2012 4:42 PM

    2009 Super Bowl Champs- New Orleans Saints*

  57. bryans49ers says: May 4, 2012 4:58 PM

    We will be known for the generation that destroyed the game of football because of this and the lawsuits and everything that has made the game ” top heavy”. After the loss of Jr Seau this week and 100 New lawsuits filed, and bounties and on and on. . We haven’t even opened the pandoras Box on HGH testing. . The lawsuits if found in favor of the former players comes in, I dont see this league surviving. . Blood money. . Thats all this is anymore, not the game of football

  58. cowboycjn says: May 7, 2012 11:00 AM

    csmit44 says:
    May 4, 2012 3:17 PM
    Calling pay for performance “bounties” is as bad as others saying New Orleans “cheated”

    Really? So giving out a handful of cash to each other in the lockerroom, somehow made these guys run faster, get to the qb better, catch better, lift more?
    = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = =
    YES, there is a sensible person on these forums.(csmit44). To others out there; Saints fans never said they are NOT guilty of a pay for performance program and so be it that they were nailed, BUT how in the He11, did it make them super macho players that just out did other teams and some say they cheated? Seems like your team was weak and couldn’t play very effectively in the first place – that’s why they loss. Its still 11 players (human men) on the field aganist the other teams 11 players (human men) – too bad there are so many jealous other team fans envious of the Saints.
    Oh the pay performance made them bionic, I forgot.

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