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NFL responds to NFLPA grievances

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On Thursday, the NFLPA filed two separate grievances challenging the imposition of suspensions on four players by Commissioner Roger Goodell and, more specifically, arguing that Goodell should not be the person who presides over the appeals.

On Friday, the NFL responded to the grievances.

“The proceedings do not challenge the underlying facts,” the NFL explains, “which were first shared with the union more than two months ago after being obtained from Saints executives, coaches, players, and others.  The proceedings also do not challenge the reasonableness of the discipline imposed by the commissioner.”

The league is right, but the grievances aren’t aimed at challenging the underlying facts.  The grievances focus primarily on steering the appeals away from Goodell.  The underlying facts will be challenged at a later date.  For now, the fight centers on an effort to prevent Goodell from being the judge, jury, executioner, and appeals court.

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24 Responses to “NFL responds to NFLPA grievances”
  1. bigjdve says: May 4, 2012 3:48 PM

    If they don’t want Goodell to be the judge, jury, executioner, and appeals court then don’t allow for just that in the CBA.

    They ok’d that with the negotiations last year. They all signed up for Goodell to be all of these things and now are complaining about it, Well guess what, you have 9 more years to go.

    Enjoy!

  2. rayburns says: May 4, 2012 3:49 PM

    And the response will be, ‘if you didn’t want Goodell to have this much power, you shouldn’t have signed the Collective Bargaining Agreement that authorized him to have that power’.

  3. ugly4s says: May 4, 2012 3:50 PM

    If you never posted another legal-related story it wouldn’t bother me in the slightest.

    I think most fans crave the tiny minutiae about NFL related matters that involve players, coaches, owners, teams, schedules and current events, and we’d settle for the results when it comes to issues like stadium building efforts or legal appeals.

  4. godofwine330 says: May 4, 2012 3:52 PM

    Feel like a lawyer again, don’t you Florio. I bet you thought that you were done being a lawyer after the CBA was finalized.

  5. whatnojets says: May 4, 2012 3:52 PM

    Of course the league is right, because they are never wrong and even if they were ever so slighlty wrong, they would never admit to it!

    Hail NFL!

  6. dexterismyhero says: May 4, 2012 3:53 PM

    Screw the Saints and NFLPA.

  7. ilovefoolsball says: May 4, 2012 3:53 PM

    Who could possibly be against GODdell being a dictator other than those working in the league office and dip$#!*$ who just want to bash the Saints because it’s the new trend?

  8. daysend564 says: May 4, 2012 3:58 PM

    When the NFL prevails, they should toss out a few more Stains players for good measure.

  9. rcali says: May 4, 2012 4:01 PM

    I have a novel idea for players and teams:
    1) Stop failing drug tests
    2) Stop beating up your wives
    3) Stop dog fighting
    4) Don’t Drink and Drive
    5) Stop cheating by video taping other teams coaches
    5) Stop illegal bounty programs
    6) Stop dealing drugs
    7) Stop bringing clubs to public places and shooting yourself in the leg.

    Goodell does not want to spend his time babysitting adults all day long, I’m sure of it.

  10. dallas001 says: May 4, 2012 4:02 PM

    What if Warner or Favre or another player’s career would have been ended by the actions of these guys. Would the NFLPA’S attitude be different. If so, then all this is about is the union against the NFL. The union has an obligation to provide a safe work environment don’t they. Enough with the charades and power struggles.

  11. skittlesareyum says: May 4, 2012 4:03 PM

    Like others, I think Goodell has too much power. However, he only has it because the union agreed to it! They have only themselves to blame, and Goodell now has every right to be “judge, jury, executioner, and appeals court.”

  12. jenniferxxx says: May 4, 2012 4:20 PM

    You do all understand that the NFL is a business, right? Not a country. And the players are employees, not citizens? Goodell is ‘the boss’. He’s management. Not some sort of publicly elected official. All this talk of ‘rights’ … it’s very different when one is in a corporate setting. Think of yourself at your job. It’s that.

  13. richie500 says: May 4, 2012 4:20 PM

    That’s why the Steelers, and the Steelers only, were the team who voted no on the new CBA.

  14. jason1980 says: May 4, 2012 4:24 PM

    I love the short sightedness of the responses here, as long as Goddell is screwing the Saints, everything is good, but they are failing to realize that the Saints will not always be the target. Granted, the NFLPA agreed to this totally crazy appeals process, it is un-American on so many levels. Try separating your hatred of the powerhouse Saints, and think about how this will affect lesser teams. No matter what Goddell does, the Saints will be fine, and headed to the next playoff season and possible Superbowl.

  15. savocabol1 says: May 4, 2012 4:24 PM

    Maybe im missing something, but shouldn’t this have been settled when they were figuring out the CBA?

  16. cwmorga says: May 4, 2012 4:32 PM

    I guess I don’t understand why Goodell thinks he has the authority to punish players for behavior prior to the current CBA. From the current CBA:

    “The NFL, on behalf of itself, the NFL, and the NFL Clubs and their respective heirs, executors, administrators, representatives, agents, successors and assigns, releases and covenants not to sue, or to support financially or administratively, or voluntarily provide testimony of any kind, including by declaration or affidavit in, any suit (including any Special Master proceeding brought pursuant to the White SSA and/or the Prior Agreement) against the NFLPA or any of its members, or agents acting on its behalf, or any member of its bargaining unit, with respect to conduct occurring prior to the execution of this Agreement.”

  17. nineroutsider says: May 4, 2012 4:35 PM

    For now, the fight centers on an effort to prevent Goodell from being the judge, jury, executioner, and appeals court.
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    The NFL needs to get away from this simply to eliminate the argument and to prevent the perception that Goodell is power hungry instead of simply doing what is best for the league. I do believe he has done a fair job and a good job, but the perception is that he is power hungry among the players (I don’t care what fans think about how he punishes their teams – the owners support him). I understand his position, but he needs to make it a little more independent at least in terms of player discipline.

  18. sgtr0c says: May 4, 2012 4:39 PM

    Didn’t the nflpa negociate and sign a labor deal with an orginization, 10 months ago, that had the current commisioner in place, at the time of signing? But now that their salary raise in cap is in place, they are saying the league has too much power. The nflpa is a joke. Why don’t you fight for the players who other union members were trying to end the careers of?

  19. mwindle1973 says: May 4, 2012 4:47 PM

    Jenniferxxx: You are right but partially wrong. You state it like the NFL is a single employer and the players are employed by them. Players aren’t employees, they are commodities or the product that is sold. The teams actually take the same kind of insurance out on their investment (the player), that they would on an expensive piece of equipment or the stadium itself. The NFL is the whole industry. Imagine if the auto industry elected a Commissioner who made rules fro the whole industry and controlled prices artificially like the the NFL Commish does. Well you can imagine but in any other industry, like auto this is illegal, against anti-trust. Why does the NFL get away with it? Because the NFLPA doesn’t ever challenge it in court. Salary caps, drafts are all anti turst violations. But players could lose things too in the process. SO they both want it this way. Just saying can’t compare the NFL to an employer/employee situation…just so much more complicated than that. Same for when people try to use their home economics situation to analyze our countries economic problems. Are country is not a person or a business. Debt to a country is quite a different thing than what we understand as debt.

  20. larryjames836 says: May 4, 2012 4:48 PM

    It is what, it is I’m just glad we can get started looking forward to football. NFL is all about money taking money from players and coaches.

  21. gameshowlover72 says: May 4, 2012 6:58 PM

    Well, here is what I would do if I were Goodell. I would say you don’t want me to be judge, jury, and executioner? Okay, then…for now, I will lift all suspensions, fines, etc. and invite the U.S. Attorney’s Office, and the FBI do the investigating and apply criminal charges on the people involved for running a program meant to injure people for money. This way, a REAL judge and jury will try each person involved, and if you are found guilty, you will go to jail instead for aggrevated assault and battery. And, since being arrested and found guilty of a major crime can easily be considered “conduct determental to the NFL”, I can issue discipline on those merits. Not only that, the NFLPA can explain to a real judge how come they aren’t focusing on protecting and helping these players who continue to make destructive decisions off field by getting arrested?

  22. larryjames836 says: May 4, 2012 7:40 PM

    That’s the way it is people’s don’t understand the NFL they really think Roger Goodell can do what he want not true. He also has rules to follow also this is why the NFL organization is in the mess it in all chiefs and no indians so one part has to go higher in order to get the right thing done and this is bad when two organizations serving the same business and can’t see eye to eye.

  23. packernation90 says: May 4, 2012 9:46 PM

    Both Goodell and the players association drive me crazy. Both parties have their heads so far up thier a**es they cant see the light of reason. Players, stop breaking the law and being bad people off the field. Goodell, let the players play, dont rule the NFL like a present day hitler. Its goodell’s way or the highway, i understand why the players are upset, but the nfl does have to deal with a lot of crappy people that are the nfl players

  24. gerttownmomo says: May 4, 2012 10:40 PM

    @dallas001 — now ya see that’s what’s wrong with this country. basic comprehension. it is NOT the responsibility of the nflpa to provide a safe environment for the players. it’s up the the employer (the nfl). the nflpa’s responsibility is to make sure the employer lives up to their word. ALL OF THEM!

    and for the other less informed, what mr. floride didn’t tell you is WHY the nflpa took this approach. since the ‘incident’ occurred in 2009, mr. goodell did NOT have the power then to rule as he does now.

    and it’s a pretty good approach mr. goodell allowed to happen by saying the SAINTS! maintained this program for three years and is only punishing the players for something that happened in 2009. now HE must take his lumps.

    GO PACK! and anyone playing the bears and vikes!

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