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Rex Ryan wrote last year about “dotting” opposing players

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On March 2, the NFL told the world that the Saints had been using a bounty system for three straight seasons, offering players money for “cart-offs” and “knockouts.”  On March 3, Jets coach Rex Ryan issued a statement claiming he has never used them.

“This is something that is being handled by the NFL office,” Ryan said.  “I’ve never condoned it and I’ve never coached it.”

But while Ryan may not have condoned or coached the habit of offering money to players for knocking opposing players out of games (whether they leave on their own power or via a stretcher or a golf cart), Ryan has condoned — and coached — the habit of knocking opposing players out of games.  We know this because Ryan said so in his 2011 book, Play Like You Mean It.

From pages 16-17 of the chapter called Blunt-Force Trauma:  “Each game we might also designate an opposing player with a dot.  Players don’t want to be dotted by the New York Jets, because that means we want that dude knocked out of the game.  Of course, it has to be legal and by the book.  We don’t play dirty, and no way will we intentionally hurt a player with an illegal, cheap shot.  We dot players fair and square.  There are players out there who think they are badasses, and you just might see two of our players knock the hell out of him.  Pow!  Pow!  That’s our mentality.  Everything we do is aggressive and, hey, we may make a mistake, but we will go one hundred miles per hour and we will knock the hell out of you.  Big hits create turnovers.  You haven’t been Punked — you’ve been Dotted!”

Last year, when I read Ryan’s book, I applied a Post-It note to that paragraph, but it didn’t strike me as anything scandalous or improper or worth mentioning in a separate post.  In the wake of the Saints’ bounty investigation, the mentality exhibited by Ryan doesn’t seem all that different than the mentality underpinning the pool of cash that went to players for making big plays — whether interceptions or fumble recoveries or knocking “that dude” out of the game.

The only difference between what the Saints did and what Ryan does is that the Saints violated the salary cap by paying players for doing things they already were being paid to do.  The Saints didn’t want to injure players, notwithstanding the cartoonishly graphic urgings of former defensive coordinator Gregg Williams.  They simply wanted to knock players out of games.  Just like Rex Ryan.

But since an attempt to knock a player out of a game necessarily may inflict injury on the player, the NFL felt compelled to take severe and swift action.  So why has the punishment been confined only to the Saints?

The goal here isn’t to get the Jets in trouble.  The goal is to illustrate that the rabbit hole goes far deeper than the NFL cares to admit.  Instead, the league wants to pour cement in it, hammer the Saints in order to get everyone else’s attention, and move on.

Here’s hoping that the effort includes telling Rex Ryan that it’s no longer acceptable to “dot” opposing players.

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93 Responses to “Rex Ryan wrote last year about “dotting” opposing players”
  1. pftcensorssuck says: May 6, 2012 7:24 PM

    Did Ryan specifically tell his players to target areas of opponents’ bodies that had been injured, including shots to the heads of concussion victims?

    I thought he just endorsed tripping – er, “dotting” – oposing players?

  2. mactimo says: May 6, 2012 7:25 PM

    Rex likes to dot his wife’s feet

  3. realtimeeyes says: May 6, 2012 7:25 PM

    Here we go!

  4. mh28102 says: May 6, 2012 7:26 PM

    The Goal here is to clearly get the Jets in trouble.

    I guarantee every team does something like this. You don’t think there will be a “dot” on Tim Tebow every game by other teams?

  5. sportmentary says: May 6, 2012 7:26 PM

    Two big differences:
    1)Offering money that circumvents the salary cap
    2)By Williams’ own words, the Saints were trying to injure players by any means, including illegal hits. Hitting the head. Late hits and going after ankles.

  6. mikebe1 says: May 6, 2012 7:29 PM

    Oo stop!!!

  7. tunescribe says: May 6, 2012 7:29 PM

    He. Just. Cannot. Zip. It. Even in print.

  8. brokea$$lovesmesomeme says: May 6, 2012 7:29 PM

    There’s not coach alive that doesn’t want mistakes to be made at a 100 mph, so what if he wrote that, lets check other coaches books and see if they say something similar.

  9. kylecleric says: May 6, 2012 7:29 PM

    First, disclaimer, I’m a Patriots fan who dislikes the Jets and Rex Ryan.

    But I don’t think what Ryan is talking about is about hurting players. What he’s talking about is making them feel the impact, get knocked out of what they like to do, so that they’re overthinking when they’re out there and can’t play the way they need to play. I think that’s always been a part of the strategy for teams, especially for physical, nasty defenses. The Saints formalized that kind of thinking in a way where the intent was to take players away from the game literally. Ryan is talking about taking players away from the game figuratively.

  10. tjh9985 says: May 6, 2012 7:29 PM

    He carries much more weight that his words ever could. He doesn’t have any credibility anywhere outside of NY.

  11. warrenmoon says: May 6, 2012 7:29 PM

    The only dots he know about are dippin dots.

  12. h3min1230 says: May 6, 2012 7:30 PM

    Hurts to say this as a Pats fan, but everything he said is ok, and a big deal shouldn’t be made of it.

  13. Dylan says: May 6, 2012 7:31 PM

    Seems like some people want the NFL to become the NFFL (National Flag Football League). A coach telling players to LEGALLY knock a player out of a game isn’t news. Its hilarious to me that its being compared to a coach bribing players to commit ILLEGAL hits on players with concussions, which can end a guys career. Rex has done a lot of stupid things, but this is not a story.

  14. haroldballsagna says: May 6, 2012 7:32 PM

    The league used the same “pour cement in the rabbit hole” technique with the Patriots and the camera situation…. whatever, just play football. That’s all anyone really cares about.

  15. cowboynation9 says: May 6, 2012 7:33 PM

    “The only difference between what the Saints did and what Ryan does is that the Saints violated the salary cap”

    False. The glaring difference is that, along with not breaking rules, they did not cover up an illegal organized system they had in place and keep lying to the commissioner. This is one of the main reasons, I think, why Goodell came down on them so hard. So fans and apologists can claim it’s the football culture and everyone else acts this way, but there is still a big difference between things like this and what the Saints did.

  16. randallflagg52 says: May 6, 2012 7:35 PM

    This isn’t news. This is just football.

  17. khuxford says: May 6, 2012 7:35 PM

    Yeah, for AGES, the NFL has been about defenders trying to knock offensive players out of the game or hit them so hard that they’re looking for where the next hit is coming from, rather than the hole, the ball, the pylon or the first down marker.

    How many people here remember CONSTANTLY hearing about hits that were supposed to make receivers think twice about coming over the middle again? A receiver “alligator arming” an attempt to catch a ball because they were worried about a hit. That’s what the NFL has ALWAYS been, until the last few years. If the NFL wants to get rid of that, so be it. Maybe the fans will adjust and we’ll all wind up just as amped for the game. But they’re going about their attempt to change by punishing people for actions that mostly took place before that change and before there were full rules in place against them, in some cases.

  18. Max says: May 6, 2012 7:35 PM

    I see nothing wrong with this. Once its legal hit not meant to maliciously injure I got no problem. Its football.

  19. shlort says: May 6, 2012 7:35 PM

    Ban Rex for “Dotting”. He clearly admitted to doing it. A full investigation should be done… Oh.. wait.. It is a NY team and they arent open to crtical commentary.

  20. xsorethumbx says: May 6, 2012 7:36 PM

    i believe he dotted Col Sanders and General Tsao recently as he took them both out fair and square.

  21. swcoach says: May 6, 2012 7:37 PM

    What are you talking about that the Saints didn’t want to injure players?? Williams himself said in his own words to take out Crabtree’s ACL…

    There is a lot of differences in what Ryan wanted his players to do and what Williams wanted his to do. Paying players wasn’t the only thing different here.

  22. theytukrjobs says: May 6, 2012 7:39 PM

    I think the problem with what the Saints did is that they were paying outside of the salary cap. That is cheating because it is against the rules. They were told to stop. Instead of stopping they just denied and kept on.

  23. drainbameged says: May 6, 2012 7:39 PM

    Here’s hoping that the effort includes telling Rex Ryan that it’s no longer acceptable to “dot” opposing players.
    ———————
    Here’s hoping that this pillow fight doesn’t turn into a football game

  24. johnnyjagfan says: May 6, 2012 7:40 PM

    People get hurt playing football.

  25. njphilly says: May 6, 2012 7:41 PM

    Not a fan of Rex Ryan… at all… but you’re reaching here.

    Never a good thing when you can’t even get the dopey PFT commenters that would typically say “Suspend him!” don’t even agree.

  26. Soulman45 says: May 6, 2012 7:43 PM

    I have said before this is the way of the NFL nothing is new they just hit the Saints for nothing the whole league do it.

  27. 32bigg says: May 6, 2012 7:45 PM

    If it were up to Florio, every person in North America would be investigated just in case they may have done something wrong.

    Gimme a break, try and find a team without a coach that hasn’t said something that could be interpreted as condoning intentionally injuring other players.

    The Saints made an big “system” out of it, and lied about it, that’s why they get punished. You don’t need to go crazy and start investigating everybody.

    Sheeeesh

  28. brenenostler says: May 6, 2012 7:48 PM

    I think most coaches tell their players to take someone out at some point. It’s a way to get players pumped up. My coaches in high school did that.

    It’s not the same as offering money to specifically remove a player from the game.

  29. kgun80 says: May 6, 2012 7:48 PM

    As much as I hate Rex and the whole Yets team.. It’s not the same. Remember the” Marshall plan” the pats knew that Faulk had to be hit everyplay as he was the focal point of the Rams attack.. That was the key to beating the Rams.. Well that and taping their pregame walkthrough

  30. sabatimus says: May 6, 2012 7:49 PM

    Only difference here is that he didn’t pay his players to do it (as far as we know). Ryan is a liar, but we already knew that.

  31. sb139422 says: May 6, 2012 7:52 PM

    this is a non-story. Every coach does this. how can you possibly compare the two? paying players to perform illegal hits on previously injured and vulnerable specific body parts isnt even remotely similar to encouraging players to play extra physical legally with a specific player on the opposing team. total fail Florio

  32. valcomm5 says: May 6, 2012 7:56 PM

    pour all the cement you want to! a new hole will be dug.

  33. patriots123456 says: May 6, 2012 7:56 PM

    The way the Jets played last year it doesn’t appear that anyone on the team listened to Rex’s advice, or read his book.

    Maybe he should write another book.

  34. jeff061 says: May 6, 2012 7:57 PM

    It is football right?

  35. dannymac17 says: May 6, 2012 7:57 PM

    It seems this blog LOVES to talk about anything Jet related.

    I mean, they aren’t the best team in their own city. Didnt the gmen just win the SB? (fan of neither team)

    You are reaching for straws and page hits here with this.

  36. denverwally says: May 6, 2012 7:58 PM

    How do you knock a player out of a game if you are not injuring him? It used to be called “ringing his bell” or “scrambling his eggs” but its the same thing… now its called a concussion.

    I wonder if fat boy has ever been hit so hard he blacked out…

  37. sfsaintsfan says: May 6, 2012 7:58 PM

    For all of the geniuses out there who say the Saints were going out to injure players, that has absolutely been proven to be wrong based on their actions on the field.

    Over a Three Year Period, the Entire Saints Defense failed to “Knock-Out” an opposing player as a result of an illegal hit.

    Over a Three Year Period, the Entire Saints Defense failed to cause a “Cart-Off” an opposing player as a result of an illegal hit.

    ZERO

    Doe anybody seriously believe that if the Saints had an organized effort to intentionally injure players, that they couldn’t have done so at least once over a three year period. (And please don’t bring up Favre. Before the NFC Championship Game, his ankle was so swollen that many doubted he would even be able to play the game.)

    For all of the talk of Williams before the 49’ers Game, the Saints Defense not only didn’t have any illegal hits on the 49’ers, they didn’t even have a single penalty called against them. (As an aside, they also failed to play defense for the entire game, but that is besides the point.)

    There has also been ZERO evidence provided by the NF that any money actually changed hands from the team to any players. Again ZERO.

  38. valcomm5 says: May 6, 2012 7:59 PM

    i dont wanna see touch football! you are paid millions to hit! thats what i wanna see. you nare insured and make millions to make contact. so do it!!!

  39. commonsensedude says: May 6, 2012 8:00 PM

    Roger Goodell has dotted the great sport of American Football. Before he’s done they’ll be suspending players for looking at each other funny.

  40. ampats says: May 6, 2012 8:02 PM

    Please Rex Ryan unlike daddy has never put a bounty on a player . No problem as I think Rex has a better understanding of the NFL than Buddy.

  41. bullcharger says: May 6, 2012 8:03 PM

    As much as I really despise the Jets as a Patriots fan I cannot see one thing wrong with what Rex said. He planned to knock the guy out of the game with legal hits. Teams should be trying to hit as hard as they can legally on every play. That’s the point of defense. Ofcourse they try to knock the guy out of the game. That might mean for a play or two, not for a season.

    Gotta get off this witchhunt because you will find that everyteam does what Rex describes and it’s totally legal.

    That’s why guys like Manning, Brady, Favre that take hits and keep going and have had injuries and keep going are so impressive. Every defensive player has been trying to knock them out of the game on every hit, yet they still stand in there.

  42. lostsok says: May 6, 2012 8:03 PM

    I loath the Jets…but this is clearly different. He stated, purely and emphatically, that they pointedly did not take cheap shots. The did not targer knees, helmets or known-injury areas.

    This is night and day from the Saints.

    I will take every opportunity to rag on the Jets. They are our rivals. But I’m not going to try to make a bogeyman out of just tough football talk. THAT would be the real rabbit hole.

  43. edenprairieballer says: May 6, 2012 8:05 PM

    Simple Jack has better writting skills than Rex Ryan.

  44. lostsok says: May 6, 2012 8:07 PM

    Okay…NOW I’m gonna rag on Ryan. Not for the comments…for the BOOK. Why does a coach who never really won anything feel that someone needs to read what he has to say?

    A book by Rex Ryan is almost is silly and pointless as a book by Tebow. DO SOMETHING…then write about it!

    There. Now I feel more normal. Saying nice things about the Jets…I had to drink a case of Pepto Bismol before I could post again.

  45. tunescribe says: May 6, 2012 8:07 PM

    patriots123456: “The way the Jets played last year it doesn’t appear that anyone on the team listened to Rex’s advice, or read his book.”
    ————————————————————-

    Coples read it and has it memorized already.

  46. dobreshunka says: May 6, 2012 8:10 PM

    Anyone who follows the Ravens/Steelers rivalry knows that Ryan had bounties on Hines Ward, Roethlisberger and others. Bart Scott admitted as much years ago. NOW it’s an issue? Does The NFL really expect us to believe this was a one-time-only thing with Greg Williams? Sweep it under the rug and move on, or be prepared to deal with a big load of crap NO ONE wants to deal with (except maybe retired players looking to get paid by any means possible).

  47. caseyanthonymunoz says: May 6, 2012 8:11 PM

    “Players don’t want to be dotted by the New York Jets…” Yeah, cuz the Jets are just so scary. This slob is such a moron. And their fans in Jersey actually think he’s a good coach. Funny stuff.

  48. jetsfan80 says: May 6, 2012 8:15 PM

    “Of course, it has to be legal and by the book. We don’t play dirty, and no way will we intentionally hurt a player with an illegal, cheap shot.”

    Did everyone just skip that part? Simmer down Jets haters. They’re an irrelevant team that hasn’t won anything in the majority of our life times. You idiots make them more and more relevant by the hatred and bashing that goes on here all the time

  49. rpiotr01 says: May 6, 2012 8:17 PM

    1.) There is absolutely nothing wrong with the mentality and actions Ryan wrote about. That’s normal NFL stuff, and normal for any contact sport. You want to hit someone has hard as possible within the rules, remove his will to keep going.

    2.) That is an AWFUL bit of writing. If you’re going to write a book, at least put some effort into it. Don’t dictate into a voice recorder and have that printed out. The written word deserves more respect than that.

  50. robf2010 says: May 6, 2012 8:18 PM

    Again, what’s the issue?

    If it’s player safety, then every team that targets players in this manner is guilty. So far, we have the Saints, the Giants, and the Jets on record for targeting players.

    If it’s the money, it was peanuts and should have received a peanut punishment.

  51. dietrich43 says: May 6, 2012 8:25 PM

    Did the NFL tell Ryan to stop dotting players, and then Ryan later lie to the NFL that they had stopped? Then it’s not quite the same.

  52. ausernamethatisavailable says: May 6, 2012 8:26 PM

    Thank you! Common sense. Better late than never.

  53. booker1974 says: May 6, 2012 8:40 PM

    Regarding the Saints, no where can anyone point to an illegal hit that knocked a player out of a game. Williams made no attempt to hide his philosophy of hitting hard, but he also regularly spoke of making sure that hits were hard but clean. Go back and watch the Saints over the last few years and you will see some hard hits, but you won’t see head hunting or guys diving at knees. You see guys playing football like every other game played that Sunday.

    As far as salary cap violations, the “pay for performance” money was coming from the players, money that was already counting against the cap. As far as money coming from outside sources, the NFL’s allegations appear to be based on the $10000 that Williams gave to Vilma to offer as a joke bounty, and then was immediately given back to Williams and never paid out to a player, and the email “pledges” of $5000 from Ornstein, which he says were jokes and Payton says he never read.

  54. xxwhodatxx says: May 6, 2012 8:42 PM

    This is insanity!! The Saints are the first and only team to ever target opposing players!

  55. xx4zu1 says: May 6, 2012 8:43 PM

    Having a real hard time with this whole Saints bounty thing and no I’m not a Saints fan. Is this really any different that the office pools that exists to reward employees for going above and beyond. There are often plenty of incentives in the work place sometimes organized by supervisors sometimes organized by employees. The job of a defensive player is to knock the sh1t out of the ball carrier. Unless there is evidence of malice-Late or illegal hits. I have a hard time seeing what the big deal is.

  56. eeerockski says: May 6, 2012 8:44 PM

    So where in the nfl is there a coach telling his guys to take it easy? I want my bloodsport!

  57. jimjets says: May 6, 2012 8:51 PM

    nice general tsao’s reference earlier….

    come on, any mention of ryan means feet jokes…

    but hey, belicheck still mumbles and looks down at the ground when he loses….should goodell investigate that too?

  58. starderup says: May 6, 2012 8:54 PM

    Dot or no dot, they still are not playoff caliber, Footy Boy.

  59. patriots123456 says: May 6, 2012 8:55 PM

    Dear Jets fans,

    I don’t see anything wrong with what Rex said in this article.

    God knows he has a habit of putting his foot in his mouth (pun intended) but not this time.

    I just wish he would predict another superbowl.

  60. nycoccet says: May 6, 2012 9:01 PM

    I bet the guy writing never played football not even midget. Even midget football has one playerthat u want ti put a hit on every play. “Taking a guy out” doesnt always mean hurt. Sometimes u hit them hard everyplay tul they want to quit nd take then off there game. Axtually it might help player saftey. If a de is tearing up defens’s and you light him up a couple times and knock the wind out of him he ll hesitate thus saving ur qb. Lol. I would guarantee that no one who plays would have a problem with Ryans passage.

  61. downdabayou says: May 6, 2012 9:04 PM

    I am not a Jets Fan by no means, but it is exactly the same-the Saints admitted to a pay-for-performance, not a pay-for-injury program. As much as Gregg Williams talked, just as Rex talked,the players had enough sense not to try to injure another player intentionally. Show on the game tape where any player hit the receiver, Frank Gore or Alex Smith with a dirty hit, and if so, where were the refs.–GEAUX SAINTS, GEAUX GIANTS AND NOW GEAUX BRONCOS!

  62. starderup says: May 6, 2012 9:08 PM

    @the baghead – Clearly, Williams ON TAPE has repeatedly called for head shots when they are illegal. I know you are pretty slow down there, but try to catch up.

  63. bicboi011 says: May 6, 2012 9:20 PM

    I know we are all supposed to hate the Saints and demonize them to be these head hunting, knee destroying, ankle breaking monsters…but where are the bodies? where’s the carnage? where’s the footage of careers being ended, joints exploding, and players knocked out cold? All the video I see on ESPN and NFLN isn’t anything but guys playing football.

    All of us reading PFT apparently like football and have watched Saints games over the past three years…they are on prime time a bunch. Why weren’t we screaming about the dirty, barbaric, monstrous, injury inflicting play of the Saints after every game? I’ve watched a lot of Saints games, and I just don’t and didn’t see it. I don’t think anyone else did either. If this bounty system was so prevalent and obvious over the past three years as some here so strongly believe…how come no of us noticed?
    Don’t you think that in three years, at least one TV analyst, one sports commentator, one NFL expert, one casual fan would have noticed something? and said “hey, this doesn’t look right”

    Maybe no one did, because no one saw anything.

    Which is why I think the suspended Saints players should be shown what they did ON THE FIELD to warrant the punishments. The punishments are very harsh, and because they are so harsh, I think it naturally causes anyone who receives the punishment to want to be shown why. I would.

  64. dynaco says: May 6, 2012 9:26 PM

    Vince Lombardi is flabbergasted.

  65. eeerockski says: May 6, 2012 9:31 PM

    Rex likes feet. We get it. Some guys like fat women.. Could be worse, right?

  66. raenray2 says: May 6, 2012 9:36 PM

    I was waiting for Rex to be brought up when this whole Saints scandel came out. Every team has rivals and they like to knock each other hard. That’s what Rex is basically saying. He is not saying hay I want u to get Brady in the head and ill give u ten grand. Or break welkers legs and ill give u twenty grand. That’s what the saints did. They had a whole point system set up so u knew how much money u get per hit u give. Rex doesn’t state that at all in his book. And if Rex did do this stuff it would of came out already cause Rex is the only coach under the most spotlight. Rex would probably tell the truth if he did cause he doesn’t care. Also I hard how some people still bring up his wifes feet all the time no matter what the story is about. I’m a married man and I give my wife foot massages. I have been given ladies messages since high school. There is no shame in that. Rex knows how to get some. So obviously the guys written about how Rex and his wifes feet are probably virgins but maybe some day u will figure it out.

  67. hatesycophants says: May 6, 2012 9:40 PM

    Ridiculous. I am going to go ahead and assume you’re dealing with some sort of personal issues. Your writing has taken on the tone of a teenager’s diary. Seek help.

    Go Lions! Go Badgers!

  68. starderup says: May 6, 2012 9:43 PM

    @bicboi011 – no, we hate the Stains for a lot of other reasons. Mostly, the baghead ‘fans’.

  69. starderup says: May 6, 2012 9:44 PM

    @eeerockski – yeah, it could be worse. He could like fat women’s feet.

  70. raiderapologist says: May 6, 2012 9:55 PM

    I wonder if Ryan read “Quarterback of the Future” and put post-it notes on any paragraphs.

  71. 504ismarchingin says: May 6, 2012 10:29 PM

    Your words Florio, not mine…

    “The Saints didn’t want to injure players, notwithstanding the cartoonishly graphic urgings of former defensive coordinator Gregg Williams. They simply wanted to knock players out of games. Just like Rex Ryan.”

    Thanks for finally stating what everyone already knows, that the Saints were just trying to play hard-hitting defense like every other team routinely does. What took you so long amigo??

  72. nepatriots128154 says: May 6, 2012 10:32 PM

    Oh, give it a rest! Making sure to absolutely punish a couple offensive players is fine (as long as it’s done legally). There is nothing wrong with saying “hit these guys especially hard” as long as it’s legal, clean, hard hits.

  73. jamesmatthiascox says: May 6, 2012 10:41 PM

    Williams was speaking figuratively

  74. starderup says: May 6, 2012 10:43 PM

    @nepatriots128154: Legal and clean is fine. Telling your players to go for the head is not legal and clean.
    Letting someone tape it so you have indisputable evidence that you were trying to reward players for hurting people should earn you a lifetime ban from football just based on the Richter scale of stupidity.

  75. atfinch1984 says: May 6, 2012 10:53 PM

    It seems that many of you are missing the point of the article. Look at the title: Rex Ryan wrote last year! He’s literate! Now THERE is news!

  76. jamesmatthiascox says: May 6, 2012 10:53 PM

    Dante Stallworth get 1 month in jail for vehicular man-slaughter, while driving drunk and can still step foot on a football field…And you say a lifetime ban for speaking figuratively albeit when referencing the head shots…He did say outside ACL but the head shots wear clearly figures of speech…Anyone who has played football would understand that…

  77. starderup says: May 6, 2012 11:07 PM

    I won’t argue with you, james, since what Williams said clearly was intended to incite his players to go for the head, ACL ribs, etc.
    The Stains are lucky Goodell is a big wuss.
    I’d have taken back all the rings and the trophy. The SB ‘win’ would have an asterisk next to it.
    The entire defense would be suspended for the year. Payton and Williams would never see another paycheck from any NFL team.
    I think that sheet would stop across the league.

  78. genericuser8888 says: May 6, 2012 11:43 PM

    First, is anyone really surprised that Rex Ryan’s ability to shoot his mouth (pen) off might get him in trouble again? It’s almost like the owner had them recruit Tebow just to drown out the media attention that Rex gets from shooting his mouth off (and Sanchez gets from well…just Sanchezing it up.)

    Second, in 2009, the Saints beat the Colts fair and square.
    Opposing teams against the Saints had ZERO cart-offs in 2009.

    Their D was great that year because Darren Sharper and co had a ridiculous amount of interceptions.

    In other words, the Superbowl is legit. Don’t be bitter Vikings fans. Or fans of other teams. There were no “cart offs” in 2009 keeping your teams down, the Saints just ruled the field that year.

  79. mullman7675 says: May 7, 2012 12:05 AM

    The saying: “kill the head and the body will die” is one that is not new. If you hit the quarterback/key player hard and clean, it could have an effect on his game. What Ryan was saying is the same vein. I have no problem with any of it. Where Williams went wrong was his specific reference to the ACL. What the patriots did was worse anyway…

  80. fusion3450 says: May 7, 2012 12:19 AM

    starderup says:
    May 6, 2012 11:07 PM
    I won’t argue with you, james, since what Williams said clearly was intended to incite his players to go for the head, ACL ribs, etc.
    The Stains are lucky Goodell is a big wuss.
    I’d have taken back all the rings and the trophy. The SB ‘win’ would have an asterisk next to it.
    The entire defense would be suspended for the year. Payton and Williams would never see another paycheck from any NFL team.
    I think that sheet would stop across the league.
    ———————

    who cares what YOU would have done? he can’t do those things anyway peckerhead

  81. ikoikofinanay says: May 7, 2012 12:24 AM

    There was absolutely NO DIFFERENCE between Ryan and Williams. At the end of the Williams 12 minute rant were instructions that said of course these targets should be legally taken out. Exactly what Ryan said in his book.

    The can of worms that Goodell opened will result in the changing of the game.

  82. acetw says: May 7, 2012 12:34 AM

    Hmm… Targeting of specific players for ‘knockout shots’. (Otherwise known as ‘cart-offs’)

    Sounds like a year suspension, right Goodell?

    Or does that only apply to one team, not all 32 as you claim?

  83. realdealsteel says: May 7, 2012 1:06 AM

    Please………………..

    Ryan meant hurting another player. Period. But I don’t have a problem with that because this is football. And that’s what’s been going on in the game since it’s inception. Just like I don’t have a problem with the Saints either. This is a non story.

    All defensive players want to put opposing offensive players out of the game with a hard, clean, legal hit.

  84. blondebombr says: May 7, 2012 1:15 AM

    Drew Brees demands an explanation.

  85. johnnyv47 says: May 7, 2012 2:10 AM

    I mean there’s sort of a reach there but who’s to say that the player doing the “dotting” didn’t get a contract extension the following year? Every team has their “role” players. Possibly “dotting” could be a role? This is the bad thing about these scandals is that they’ll remain as such. There’s no hearings, there’s no evidence being presented. We don’t know what actually went or goes on in locker rooms. Maybe everyone should just get off their backs and let em play football. The eye in the sky don’t lie and if there’s an illegal hit then it should be flagged. Otherwise there’s no evidence of players purposely trying to hurt other players.

  86. backstageatapuppetshow says: May 7, 2012 2:45 AM

    Interesting Take’

    I do not know whether or not Coach Ryan should be punished for his views but I would disagree with him.

    Why would a Coach want his team to knock opposing players out of the game?

    What is the purpose of competition?

    To compete.

    Why would anyone want to win by hurting another player or players on an opposing team?

    Seems to me athletes should want to beat the best opponents, thereby showing their greatness.

    By hurting or dotting players all you are doing is trying to beat the rules….

    Football should not be about that…

  87. truthhurtstoo says: May 7, 2012 7:28 AM

    “Players don’t want to be dotted by the New York Jets, “.
    … please Wrecks. Like anyone is scared of your little nj jests. Did you “dot” Tebow when he ran ALL OVER YOUR DEFENSE?

    Thought so-

  88. infectorman says: May 7, 2012 9:02 AM

    mh28102 says: May 6, 2012 7:26 PM

    The Goal here is to clearly get the Jets in trouble.

    I guarantee every team does something like this. You don’t think there will be a “dot” on Tim Tebow every game by other teams?

    *****************************

    Dude!!! DuDe, Dude, Dude, Dude, Dude.

    Have you not learned anything from Hater Nation in all the time you’ve been reading this site’s faithful posters? Have you learned ANYTHING?

    What OTHER teams are doing matters NOT!

    Only that your team was caught doing doing something. Period.
    The legions of haters on this site will not accept the old ” every team does this” or the other option, ” most, if no all teams have instituted a program the resembles this” blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah!!!

    This is the crossroads where seemingly otherwise rational, objective people take a left-hand turn in “Fanatic Haterville, USA”.
    It doesn’t matter that other teams may have been doing EXACTLY the same thing. That carries ZERO weight to a HATER.

    Only that your team got caught, so therefore they are bad bad bad and tainted.
    There you go, bro, you’re welcome for the class in “Haterism 101″.

  89. fiveforetee says: May 7, 2012 9:30 AM

    This article is irresponsible in trying to make news where there isn’t any. What is this TMZ Sports?

  90. cwmorga says: May 7, 2012 9:35 AM

    @sportmentary says: May 6, 2012 7:26 PM

    Two big differences:
    1)Offering money that circumvents the salary cap
    2)By Williams’ own words, the Saints were trying to injure players by any means, including illegal hits. Hitting the head. Late hits and going after ankles.
    ————————–

    1)The NFL concluded that no club money was used in any pool, thus no salary cap circumvention.

    2) That’s a fairly large assumption on your part, considering the NFL said that the suspensions were only for off the field behavior. Following the Williams speech you referenced, the Saints played a penalty free game. This all seems to contradict what you seem to WANT to be true.

  91. nolarules says: May 7, 2012 10:04 AM

    is this even a story? The talk of taking out the best players on the opposing offense has been going on in every locker room since this game was invented.

  92. winner2277 says: May 7, 2012 5:04 PM

    sportmentary says: May 6, 2012 7:26 PM

    Two big differences:
    1)Offering money that circumvents the salary cap
    2)By Williams’ own words, the Saints were trying to injure players by any means, including illegal hits. Hitting the head. Late hits and going after ankles.

    Kindly show the web site where it clearly proves what you say in #2 is true and correct. I just happen to KNOW you are a liar and ONLY making this comment because your beloved Jets are JUST as guilty as the Saints and every other team in the NFL son.

  93. winner2277 says: May 7, 2012 5:07 PM

    Listen to all of these Jets fans in here. Why they sound like Saints fans. Funny, but while the Saints were being SLAMMED to the ground, these very same fans of the Jets were calling them liars and cheats and anything else they could think of. NOW that it’s THEIR team, they are whining about “it’s not the same thing because it now involves my team the Jets”. Well, FACE it yellow back fans of the Jets, your team is JUST as guilty as the Saints are. Don’t let that get you down though because ALL teams are just as guilty.

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