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Minnesota House increases Vikings’ share by $105 million

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It remains to be seen whether the Minnesota House of Representatives will pass the Vikings stadium bill.  If it does, the Vikings and the NFL will have to dig deeper.

As in $105 million deeper.

Patrick Kessler of WCCO-TV reports that the House has adopted an amendment increasing the Vikings’ share from $427 million to $532 million.  In turn, the state’s contribution will drop from $398 million to $293 million.

The House defeated a separate amendment moving the stadium from Minneapolis to Arden Hills.

If the amendment with an extra $105 million coming from the Vikings passes, and if the Senate passes the same amended bill, it’s unknown whether the Vikings and the NFL will balk, or whether they’ll kick in the cashish necessary to get it done.

UPDATE:  The early reaction to the increased price tag isn’t positive.  “After months of negotiation and compromise and the building of a legislative coalition, albeit a fragile one, any meaningful change of the bill drastically changes the probability of success,” NFL executive V.P. Eric Grubman told the St. Paul Pioneer Press.  “You can’t change the deal at the last minute.”

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  1. TSizzleBallSoHard says: May 7, 2012 5:00 PM

    If the Vikings agree to that then they are stupid.

  2. jimiinpa says: May 7, 2012 5:00 PM

    wow , they really don’t want the Vikes to stay

  3. duluthvikesfan says: May 7, 2012 5:01 PM

    I would have a hard time believing that the Vikings and the NFL didn’t anticipate such an amendment. They will publicly cry foul, but it won’t be a deal breaker.

  4. johnnyb216 says: May 7, 2012 5:01 PM

    Donzo

  5. scytherius says: May 7, 2012 5:02 PM

    Meh, stick it to the Legislature. Take the franchise and run fast, run far.

  6. vikingssoxfrustration says: May 7, 2012 5:02 PM

    ::facepalm::

  7. granadafan says: May 7, 2012 5:02 PM

    Good for the House. The Vikings are an organization worth a billion, oned by a multibillionaire in a corporation worth hundreds of billions of dollars. They can afford to easily build their own stadium or, at least kick in a few more milliions.

  8. tjacks7 says: May 7, 2012 5:02 PM

    As a Viking fan, I hear the weather is nice in LA during football season. Sometimes you don’t realize what you have until it’s gone. I thought these dopes would have learned their lesson with the Stars and Lakers.

  9. fertacrit says: May 7, 2012 5:03 PM

    The extra money is actually from the stadium naming rights, so it is not like the money is coming directly out of the pockets of the NFL or The Wilf’s.

  10. thetooloftools says: May 7, 2012 5:03 PM

    if this deal doesn’t get done, the Vikings will set sail.

  11. Biff Hammer says: May 7, 2012 5:05 PM

    SAVVY political move by House. It takes pressure off of it in terms of voters…they can vote for it now and pass it, and put all the pressure of staying or leaving squarely on Zygi.

    This curveball is either going to work, or Lester Bagley is going to come out swinging for the relocation fences!

  12. jimmysee says: May 7, 2012 5:05 PM

    The Vikings may ask for more from the State in order to make that deal — like exclusive rights to the name “Minnesota.”

  13. ghlatty says: May 7, 2012 5:06 PM

    No right answer to the public vs. private funding but I feel sorry for Vikings fans. However, Zigi was going to kick in 427 mil to use the place 10 or 12 times per year and the city would get a cool new place to host other events.

  14. monctonvike says: May 7, 2012 5:06 PM

    Well I don’t know about the Wilfs, they have spent allot buying the team and on players the last couple of years. Although I think they could swing it. However the nfl could absolutely afford to kick in the 100 mil. No if ands or doubts about it.

    I also know the state must make tons, off of the vikes from sales tax off of the merchandise. To the sales tax bought off of game day supplies weather or going to the game, or watching at home. Sports bars must do well when the vikes are having a good season. Not to mention the people that travel to see games. The tickets at the games and players.

    Also superbowls, final fours , wrestlemania huge concerts ect will also help.

    I hope they get it done, hope the deal helps the people in the state too.

  15. billmead1976 says: May 7, 2012 5:07 PM

    Dear Minneapolis.

    Thanks for the Lakers and all the NBA Championships. I know you could never have pulled off Showtime, the Lake Show, Kareem, Magic, Worthy, West, Shaq, Kobe, etc.

    Send the Vikings over any time. I know you folks tried to win some Superbowls four or five times, but couldn’t do it. You guys just can’t win.

    BTW – my friend in Dallas appreciate the North Stars too.

    Sincerely,

    Los “Home of the Champions” Angeles

  16. footballmaven says: May 7, 2012 5:08 PM

    Look I’m as p.o.’d as anyone about the idea of government subsidizing anything that has to do with the NFL, but if Minnesota loses the Vikes, they’ll be back in five years with a gov’t funded,newly built stadium and a corresponding package of huge incentives to lure another team. Seems like any city that loses a pro team ends up offering more than if they had just ponied up to the original franchise

  17. agentpyro says: May 7, 2012 5:08 PM

    It’s over, Johnny.

  18. canonroad says: May 7, 2012 5:09 PM

    to the rest of america- I’m sorry everyone has to witness our stupidity right now.

  19. mvp43 says: May 7, 2012 5:09 PM

    If I’m Zygi…………Im the helll out of here!

  20. suhnum1fan says: May 7, 2012 5:10 PM

    so you want citizens to cough of dough on a mediocre team. right?

  21. textexington says: May 7, 2012 5:10 PM

    This is awesome!!! The Viqueefs are leaving the land of 10,000 losses! Best news all year! Goodbye Lavender Larrys!!LOLZ.Go Pack Go!!!

  22. mvp43 says: May 7, 2012 5:11 PM

    The NFL won’t chip in anymore either, they hands their hands full with lawsuit after lawsuit……..

  23. wetpaperbag3 says: May 7, 2012 5:13 PM

    The Minnesota Vikings of Los Angeles.

  24. robert831 says: May 7, 2012 5:13 PM

    Your math is pretty fuzzy…Of the team’s $427 million contribution, $200 million would come from the NFL, only about $50 million is the responsibility of the owners. Naming rights and personal seat licenses could easily yield over $100 million each.

    “How much of this building is actually paid for by the owner?” King Banaian, R-St. Cloud asked. He guessed it would be $30 million to $50 million.

    So asking Wilf a billionaire to pay for at most (105+50) $155 million of an almost billion dollar stadium is pretty reasonable… get your facts straight.

  25. mattsffrd says: May 7, 2012 5:13 PM

    I dont understand why any of this should fall on the backs of the taxpayers. The NFL and the Vikings are worth ungodly amounts of money, and they’re expecting the already struggling taxpayers to kick in for this. Its ridiculous.

  26. jenniferxxx says: May 7, 2012 5:15 PM

    Does this mean the billionaire only gets $300,000,000 taxpayer dollars?

  27. ajknox88 says: May 7, 2012 5:15 PM

    Doesn’t the state realize how much revenue the Vikings bring to them by just being there, and the biggest mistake would be to let them move away?

  28. mp42245 says: May 7, 2012 5:16 PM

    Hello LA

  29. mediasloppy says: May 7, 2012 5:18 PM

    I wish people would get this through their thick skull. WILF doesn’t own the Stadium. It’s the People Stadium. Wilf gets prophets for his 8 games a year while the State collects the revenue on every other activity. On top of that he’s paying the largest rent in sports history.

    Please tell me how a Stadium owner has to pay rent!

  30. conormacleod says: May 7, 2012 5:19 PM

    Yes, morals are so hard to deal with. Let’s make the Vikings pay for everything because we can’t see making a rich guy even richer. When they leave the state of Minnesota and all of the revenue leaves with them, you will still have your morals. Of course, the bank won’t accept your morals for a mortgage payment, and my morals will tell me to vote against every single incumbent.

  31. conormacleod says: May 7, 2012 5:20 PM

    Politicians are elected to make the tough decisions for the whole. The Minnesota Legislature is filled with a bunch of cowards who can’t, or won’t, vote Yes or No. They are the worst kind of politicians. Vote every single one of them out of office.

  32. greatminnesotasportsmind says: May 7, 2012 5:20 PM

    Here is how it works. The House can kick it up to 105 million more, actually pick any number you want. If the House passes their version on the bill, the bill moves to the Senate.

    The Senate would then pass their version. Again pick any number you want the Vikes to pay. The Senate would vote on that bill.

    Then the Senate and House would gather and comprise on the numbers. So the 105 million more could significantly be less.

    The House and Senate then vote again on the new version of the bill. If it passes both, then it goes to Governor Dayton’s desk for approval.

    Long story short, this raising of 105 million means nothing, really.

  33. realitypolice says: May 7, 2012 5:23 PM

    granadafan says:
    May 7, 2012 5:02 PM
    Good for the House. The Vikings are an organization worth a billion, oned by a multibillionaire in a corporation worth hundreds of billions of dollars. They can afford to easily build their own stadium or, at least kick in a few more millions.
    =================

    Sure they can, but why would they? Why should they pay money out of their pocket to build a stadium in the 15th largest market in the country when they can have one in the 2nd?

    The Vikings demanding public participation is basically them saying: “If you want us to stay in a market where stadium revenue and naming rights fees will be less AND the bump in the next TV contract will be smaller than what is available in LA, you’re going to have to pitch in”.

    It’s the same reason that states offer financial incentives for corporations to relocate to places they normally wouldn’t consider. If you want ‘em, you gotta make it worth their while.

    And anyone who comes back at me with “LA can’t support a football team” simply doesn’t understand how different the NFL landscape is from when the last LA franchise left.

  34. conormacleod says: May 7, 2012 5:23 PM

    mattsffrd says:
    May 7, 2012 5:13 PM
    I dont understand why any of this should fall on the backs of the taxpayers.
    ———————————————————-
    Because the state will get to use the building 355 days a year? Because the Vikings will look for other options and possibly leave the state? Because there won’t actually be a tax increase, just like there was never a tax increase for the Twins ballpark? Because companies get major subsidies, tax breaks, and “free” money all the time as an incentive to build or stay in your state?

  35. pacificnw7722 says: May 7, 2012 5:23 PM

    “Any meaningful change of the bill drastically changes the probability of success,” NFL executive V.P. Eric Grubman told the St. Paul Pioneer Press. “You can’t change the deal at the last minute.”

    I can almost smell the exhaust of the moving trucks…..

  36. shieldsisland37 says: May 7, 2012 5:25 PM

    Why does their stadium have to be so expensive?

  37. realitypolice says: May 7, 2012 5:25 PM

    ….oh, and did I forget to mention that the value of the franchise probably jumps 30-50% the second they get to LA?

    Um, yeah. There’s that.

  38. conormacleod says: May 7, 2012 5:25 PM

    robert831 says:
    May 7, 2012 5:13 PM
    Your math is pretty fuzzy…Of the team’s $427 million contribution, $200 million would come from the NFL, only about $50 million is the responsibility of the owners. Naming rights and personal seat licenses could easily yield over $100 million each.
    ———————————————————
    Does it really matter WHERE OR HOW the Vikings come up with their portion? The state only needs to be concerned with how they will pay for their portion. If Wilf and company want to sell popsicles on the street corner to come up with their share, what do you care? That’s like saying you don’t want the stadium to benefit the state of Minnesota because it will also benefit Wilf.

  39. deeppurple23 says: May 7, 2012 5:26 PM

    And what do the Vikings get in return for this drastic change? Part ownership of the stadium? It’s interesting to me that you have to ay for the house that you rent…

  40. nflofficeadmin says: May 7, 2012 5:26 PM

    Zygi,
    Do the right thing, but the classy thing. Leave Minn, but leave the Vikings name with the city and establish a new identity for your new location.

    Cleveland appreciates still having the Browns name and people in Baltimore still resent Irsay for taking their Colts from them.

    In the end, it’s not a bad way to approach it, but you own the team, so you can do whatever you want.

  41. usedtool says: May 7, 2012 5:28 PM

    So the legislature won’t let them build where they want to build, insisting on downtown. SO the Vikes lose any chance at the parking revenue that most other teams have. All the Republicans want is for the Vikes to pay more up front to get less in long term revenues.

    How many different deals have the Vikes agreed to and had the legislature kill? Now the legislature wants to change the deal again. I am a lifelong Viking fan but, if I’m them I’m gone.

    Minnesota is proving itself (once again) to be Omaha with worse weather. Finish the job. Kick out the Twins and go back to AAA leagues like you deserve.

  42. beavertonsteve says: May 7, 2012 5:28 PM

    Better fight hard to keep the Viking name is Minnesota, within a year people will realize how much it sucks not having an NFL team. They’ll be building a new stadium within 5 trying to lure the Jags or Rams north.

  43. glenne81 says: May 7, 2012 5:29 PM

    mattsffrd really? would you and the rest of the poor beaten souls that clearly have no idea what your talking about just stop.
    let me guess?? why should we give billionaires money right??? just stop and get a clue.

  44. DarkMorford says: May 7, 2012 5:30 PM

    We have altered the deal. Pray we don’t alter it any further.

  45. bhilly says: May 7, 2012 5:31 PM

    Tell you what. Before i would have been extremely upset with Wilf for selling or moving this team. Now, i give him no fault if this team leaves. It all falls on the Legislators, and this team will leave.

  46. cincinnasti says: May 7, 2012 5:31 PM

    Let’s make it look like we’re building the stadium and take credit for it… All the while we’ll make the Vikings pay for it!!

  47. bhilly says: May 7, 2012 5:34 PM

    Beaverton Steve,
    if this team leaves we will never get another team. This is it, last chance. Once gone, say goodbye to the NFL.

  48. duluthvikesfan says: May 7, 2012 5:35 PM

    To everyone who keeps saying they don’t want their tax dollars going to a stadium there is a simple answer: Don’t play electronic pull tabs! The state’s share would come from revenue from these games. This is a new funding source being created for this project. It is NOT coming out of the general tax funds! This is not stealing from any education funds or anything else. You get a choice. Play and pay for the stadium or don’t play and don’t pay.

  49. heimerz says: May 7, 2012 5:35 PM

    One good thing if the stadium doesn’t go through is I won’t have to read “Los Angeles Vikings” for the millionth time after every single Vikings post.

  50. cwmorga says: May 7, 2012 5:35 PM

    @monctonvike says: May 7, 2012 5:06 PM

    Also superbowls, final fours , wrestlemania huge concerts ect will also help.
    —————–

    Sorry but I doubt Minneapolis will ever host a SB. It’s not an attractive venue for a sporting event in early February.

  51. sh4doww4lker says: May 7, 2012 5:36 PM

    The vikes will play at home in 2012 including pre-season I believe 11 times. The 60 minute games last approximately three hours.

    That amounts to 33 hours of game playing per year– of course they spend additional tine for practice, game prep etc. …… regardless of the total time, it seems to me you are asking the nfl an vikings to pay a lot if money for a relatively small amount of time……

    Are you also charging the gophers or any other teams who might use the stadium an equal amount for rent during games or other entertainment show?

    I think they should tell the legislature – game over were moving…..

  52. bigwinintx says: May 7, 2012 5:37 PM

    The ” L.A. Vikings”…

    Doesn’t sound too bad now does it House Of Reps?

  53. evilboy128 says: May 7, 2012 5:39 PM

    I am watching the debate (sad I know) but it is fascinating to watch the passion and power plays that are going on…that being said…the final bill will be FAR from the one that the NFL and the Vikings would find acceptable. Once they get through with the amendments and amendments to the amendments, then the spirit of the agreement will be dead and the NFL will have their answer and will begin to move the team.

  54. mvp43 says: May 7, 2012 5:40 PM

    The $105 mil in question is the result of an amendment decreasing the states contribution. This money has to come from somewhere, and they (the House) want Zygi pony it up. This is a risky move because more than likely Zygy will tell them to go pound sand and the Vikes will be left out in the cold…..

  55. fmlizard says: May 7, 2012 5:40 PM

    Take off the roof. Boom. $105M saved, football the way it was meant to be.

  56. greatminnesotasportsmind says: May 7, 2012 5:43 PM

    Currently being discussed:

    A female House Rep is wanting all Vikings games to be broadcast television because she is hearing rumors the NFL is thinking of starting their own cable network.

    No lie.

  57. dadsman28 says: May 7, 2012 5:44 PM

    It’s the amendments was a dealbreaker they would have said “don’t bother putting it to a vote”. But the Vikings did not say that.

  58. shelovesfootball says: May 7, 2012 5:46 PM

    textexington says:
    May 7, 2012 5:10 PM
    This is awesome!!! The Viqueefs are leaving the land of 10,000 losses! Best news all year! Goodbye Lavender Larrys!!LOLZ.Go Pack Go!!!
    ___________________
    As a Packer fan I think textexington does not represent the majority of our fan base. This is the black and blue division with 4 great teams with a long history. The loss of the Vikings would be deeply felt and devastating to our very spirited rivalry.

  59. goldrush36 says: May 7, 2012 5:47 PM

    granadafan says: May 7, 2012 5:02 PM

    Good for the House. The Vikings are an organization worth a billion, oned by a multibillionaire in a corporation worth hundreds of billions of dollars. They can afford to easily build their own stadium or, at least kick in a few more milliions.

    _____________________________________________

    You obviously miss the point that the city makes the most profit off of stadiums 99% of the time. Not to mention the increased tax revenue from local business

  60. isphet71 says: May 7, 2012 5:47 PM

    Sure they can afford it, but the NFL has no incentive to kick in an extra 100 million when they WANT a franchise in LA.

    Politicians playing politics a little too hard and trying to be a little too cute is going to cost Vikings fans their team. That’s gonna suck. I feel for them.

  61. fflnick says: May 7, 2012 5:50 PM

    Since when do stadiums cost $975M?
    Since Jerry Jones built his palace, the stadium prices has skyrocketed.
    Why?
    Maybe the teams should stop trying to build 3 levels from goal line to goal line of club levels.

    It was just in 2006, AZ built University of Phoenix Stadium for $455M

  62. kevpft says: May 7, 2012 5:50 PM

    If everyone involved is smart, this is all a calculated move. The legislature gets to please the large crowd of Vikings fans by voting for the bill, yet also pleases the Vikes’ opponents by ‘standing up to’ them and ‘demanding’ they pay more money. Doing it this way should take just enough wind out of both groups’ antagonistic sails to prevent a big blowback at election time.

    And the NFL and Vikes’ ownership can perform its little bit of theater by grumbling about changed deals, playing up the role of vanquished foe for the benefit of MN politicians.

    Of course, it could be the opposite – the legislature voting for an unworkable plan that sounds workable enough to the average joe so they have an easy out when election time comes – I voted for the bill! – without ever being a serious pledge to get a stadium done.

    This may be a turning point for football as we know it, along with all the recent talk about concussions and long-term damage of players. It may simply be getting too expensive and too destructive to keep this whole thing going.

  63. fmlizard says: May 7, 2012 5:50 PM

    The FY 2012 Minnesota state budget is $33.7B. That means that the state legislature is willing to lose its entrenched and nearly irreplaceable slot as a big league town in America’s most popular sport, for the next 30 years, over:

    0.3% of the budget for a single year.

    Heck, the state taxes on players and staff alone would easily cover $105M over the next 15 years or so.

    I think the legislators who all said “I hope it passes, but I’m not voting for it” all get drummed out and become pariahs for 30 years for allowing ideology to trump common sense.

  64. fissels says: May 7, 2012 5:51 PM

    Good, better deal for the taxpayers

  65. dadawg77 says: May 7, 2012 5:52 PM

    First people arguing that building the stadium isnt corporate welfare are wrong. The only reason the state will build the place is because Wilf wants them too so his profits are larger.

    As for revenue provided by Vikings games vs revenue if the Vikings move will be roughly a net of 0 per the substitution effect. Also it is more likely that tourism revenue will rise then fall if the Vikings move. Interesting and relevant fact, tourism revenue for Beijing fell in 2008 vs 2007 as sporting event tend to crowd out other activity. I would recommended you read the report from USB about public financing of sporting venues if you are interested.
    The basic fact is public financing for sporting venues is a bad deal for the public and a good deal for the team owner, if it wasn’t then there wouldn’t be public financing.

  66. taintedsaints2009 says: May 7, 2012 5:52 PM

    i don’t see how it is far fetched to expect the company that owns the team to pay for more than half the stadium in which they will keep all the revenues earned.

  67. theytukrjobs says: May 7, 2012 5:53 PM

    The House is trying to buy time (MN legislature motto is “There isn’t anything we didn’t get done today that we can’t get done tomorrow”)

    They also reduces state contribution another 100 million or so by tacking on user fees that would eat into ticket prices.

    But this isn’t necessarily a deal killer. The Senate can amend the bill and kick it back to house and committee. The Vikings obviously won’t accept this deal. In fact the deal they have amended has less economic advantage than if the Vikings were to cut out the state altogether and actually own the facility.

    There is no way the team will accept a scenario in which the state pays 10 or 20 percent and gets to own the facility and profit from the other 340 days a year. This is sort of a joke actually but our legislature has proven to be a joke already thoroughly.

    200 people inside a building trying to wreck the state and get rid of the most popular entity here. 2000 people outside chanting for them not to.

  68. mvp43 says: May 7, 2012 5:55 PM

    shelovesfootball says:
    May 7, 2012 5:46 PM
    textexington says:
    May 7, 2012 5:10 PM
    This is awesome!!! The Viqueefs are leaving the land of 10,000 losses! Best news all year! Goodbye Lavender Larrys!!LOLZ.Go Pack Go!!!
    ___________________
    As a Packer fan I think textexington does not represent the majority of our fan base. This is the black and blue division with 4 great teams with a long history. The loss of the Vikings would be deeply felt and devastating to our very spirited rivalry.

    ———————
    Every team has stupid fans that say stupid things.
    The bottom line is…GB, MN, CHI, DET is football.
    No real Packer fan wants the Vikings to leave.

  69. schmitty2 says: May 7, 2012 5:55 PM

    Haven’t listened to KFAN in awhile but I can only imagine this whole mess is making Paul Allen want to join his ol buddy Dubay for a “session”

  70. packerfantastic says: May 7, 2012 5:56 PM

    Good grief! Let this issue die. Apparently Minnesota doesn’t want a team. Let them move the Vikings to LA and switch to the NFC West and move the Rams into the NFC North.

  71. theytukrjobs says: May 7, 2012 5:58 PM

    The state would be out $890 million in income taxes from the NFL TV contract over the 30 year span, not adjusting for inflation. I hadn’t heard that stat yet but it was brought up on the floor.

    Our legislature is so bad that they’d strongly consider throwing away $890 million over 30 years to “save” 600 million over the same time period.

    But boy we’d stop a billionaire from profiting. Oh, wait, no we wouldn’t. Zygi will make money anyways. We’d just hurt ourselves and nobody else.

    Gotta admit I’ve never been so embarrassed to be from this state. They need to fix this thing and get it done.

  72. largent80 says: May 7, 2012 5:58 PM

    Playing politics eh? If you vote in favor, you piss off the fiscal conservatives. If you vote no, you piss off the vikings fans. So send the ball back into the vikes court. If they say no to this smash and grab job, then the politicos can say hey it wasn’t us that led them to move. What a bunch of cowards.

  73. evilboy128 says: May 7, 2012 6:00 PM

    As a Jaguar fan and having seen the result of the naming rights on the local scale…the Jaguars fought pretty hard for the naming rights monies with the city…I can’t imagine that the Vikings will give up dime one of the Naming Right money, much less the 105 Million being put back on the Vikings…they will walk.

  74. calvikefan1 says: May 7, 2012 6:01 PM

    This seems pretty underhanded to me. So lets just surprise Ziggy with an oh by the way we will build you that stadium IF YOU PONY UP an extra 105 mill. He is already spending more than any other owner in the history of the league. It ain’t gonna happen. If that is what they had planned they could of been working that deal with the Zigmeister weeks ago, not dump it on him at the legislative meeting. Chicken s…ts ! Ziggy won’t appreciate getting stabbed in the back. Good bye Vikings

  75. Lonely Libertarian says: May 7, 2012 6:02 PM

    Wonder when we will see the first lawsuit filed by former players against cities and states for their part in permitting [facilitating?] football to be played thereby contributing to their health problems…

    Taxpayers will regret ever subsidizing the dangerous activity that is football!

  76. mvp43 says: May 7, 2012 6:05 PM

    fmlizard says:
    May 7, 2012 5:40 PM
    Take off the roof. Boom. $105M saved, football the way it was meant to be.

    ——————————————-
    Yes, this is true but don’t forget that the NFL contributed a bunch of money as well to this project and want to see a return on their investment.

    That return in part comes from monies generated from events that will be held indoors at the new stadium.

  77. realitypolice says: May 7, 2012 6:06 PM

    fmlizard says:
    May 7, 2012 5:40 PM
    Take off the roof. Boom. $105M saved, football the way it was meant to be.
    ================

    Ironically, it’s the state the won’t take the roof off. Because then they can’t use it for anything else during the winter.

    So the roof is there to ensure that the CITY and the STATE make the most amount of money possible off of the stadium, not the team.

  78. brewcrewfan54 says: May 7, 2012 6:10 PM

    So we’re talking an $800 million+ stadium? That sounds pretty damn expensive, especially considering they’ll be begging for a new one in 30 years.

  79. autumnritual says: May 7, 2012 6:16 PM

    I’ll solve this right now – OPEN AIR STADIUM! 400 million dollars cheaper.

  80. northstars1991 says: May 7, 2012 6:19 PM

    50 years of contributing to the history of the NFL and this is what we fans get?! I am sick and tired of being slaves to billionaire owners from TX and NY! The NFL is abusing it’s power! ENDLESS GREED!!!

  81. taintedsaints2009 says: May 7, 2012 6:19 PM

    autumnritual

    i agree.

  82. bzeller says: May 7, 2012 6:19 PM

    MVP43……absolutely the smartest thing I’ve ever read on this board…….thank you for the voice of reason ,
    Signed a true Viking fan.

  83. taintedsaints2009 says: May 7, 2012 6:20 PM

    Vikings cut Ryan Longwell.

    you heard it here first.

  84. capslockkey says: May 7, 2012 6:21 PM

    I feel bad for Vikings fans. Zygi will probably make the logical business decision and take the much better deal to move to LA. Then 5 years or so afterwards the lost state revenues will have Minnesota back begging for an expansion team, costing them way more in the long run for an inferior product just like Houston.

  85. dan7800 says: May 7, 2012 6:21 PM

    That’s too bad. The NFL needs to keep teams where they are. I know many want a team in LA. However, they had their chance and lost it. Twice.

  86. rhcpvikings says: May 7, 2012 6:21 PM

    This price tag will go back down for the Vikes in conference call (If it passes in House and Senate) so no need for people (or the NFL) to start freaking out. Just put in to help bill get through the house.

  87. devikesfan says: May 7, 2012 6:27 PM

    Vikings- don’t forget to turn off the lights at the Dome when you leave…

  88. lnfinite says: May 7, 2012 6:27 PM

    Why do mods here tolerate idiots that post offensive material like textington does but has to censor my comments like this:

    I wonder how many clowns here will disappear when the stadium bill gets approved and built.

    Rivalries are one thing but comments above go over the line. All I advocated was where else some of the clowns will go after this situation is resolved.

    If you want to moderate anything do so with those who go out of bounds.

  89. scrapingthefloorioforstorios says: May 7, 2012 6:29 PM

    as a packers fan, them moving is the only way i could hate the vikings more..

  90. glac1 says: May 7, 2012 6:31 PM

    I think the state of NFL football in Minnesota has been downgraded to “critical condition”. It’s over.

  91. garyman1 says: May 7, 2012 6:34 PM

    Good God…. you can only call someone’s bluff enough times before they call you on it.

  92. matt2calvin says: May 7, 2012 6:40 PM

    As a Lions fan, I would hate to see the team leave our division. Too much history to even think of this option. The state would receive the VAST MAJORITY of the revenue generated from this stadium. The Vikes would not be using the venue nearly as much as it would be used for concerts, conferences, and major events. And YES the Super Bowl would come to Minny as well – they gave a SB to Detroit after we built Ford Field.

    Members of the house should be voted out if you lose your team. Hopefully the Senate has a reasonable proposal and they compromise with a proposal very close to the Senate version. If not – there is no reason to remain in Minny… Sad really.

  93. squared80 says: May 7, 2012 6:43 PM

    You don’t make a team in the 16th largest market pay the highest private amount for an NFL stadium in the history of the league. Simple math. This isn’t LA or NY. Want to be part of the money machine called the NFL? Pay up.

  94. zaggs says: May 7, 2012 6:46 PM

    “You can’t change the deal at the last minute.”

    No party to that deal changed anything. That deal was only between the NFL, the Vikes and Dayton. It had jack to do with the Minn House.

  95. bearsrulepackdrool says: May 7, 2012 6:47 PM

    mvp43 says:
    May 7, 2012 5:55 PM
    shelovesfootball says:
    May 7, 2012 5:46 PM
    textexington says:
    May 7, 2012 5:10 PM
    This is awesome!!! The Viqueefs are leaving the land of 10,000 losses! Best news all year! Goodbye Lavender Larrys!!LOLZ.Go Pack Go!!!
    ___________________
    As a Packer fan I think textexington does not represent the majority of our fan base. This is the black and blue division with 4 great teams with a long history. The loss of the Vikings would be deeply felt and devastating to our very spirited rivalry.

    ———————
    Every team has stupid fans that say stupid things.
    The bottom line is…GB, MN, CHI, DET is football.
    No real Packer fan wants the Vikings to leave.

    ______________________________

    CHI and GB are football. DET just discovered the sport after dominating hockey and experimenting with basketball. MIN – once the Vikings leave, I personally believe the state will completely fall off the sports landscape. They’ve got nothing else. MIN isn’t football. It’s a joke.

    You better rub that WNBA championship while its there, lol.

  96. squared80 says: May 7, 2012 6:47 PM

    Zygi won’t move the team. That’s a fact. He WILL sell it, though. And the new owner would move them.

  97. valcomm5 says: May 7, 2012 6:52 PM

    unfortunantely, Minnesota is gonna lose a legend.

  98. ak18346 says: May 7, 2012 6:55 PM

    all I can say is LA here we come ! Time will heal everything

  99. csmit44 says: May 7, 2012 6:58 PM

    Christian Ponder wants an explanation.

  100. theravenlives2 says: May 7, 2012 7:04 PM

    So asking Wilf a billionaire to pay for at most (105+50) $155 million of an almost billion dollar stadium is pretty reasonable… get your facts straight.
    ==============================
    As opposed to moving to L.A. or Toronto or San Antonio and paying NOTHING for a new stadium. May YOU need to get your facts straight.

    I love the folks who say, “he’s a billionaire, he can afford to pay a few more million.” Wow, it’s awesome to spend someone else’s money, now isn’t it?

    Look, the Wilfs have been more than accommodating to Minneapolis and the Minnesota legislature. Either the politicians in Minnesota want the franchise or they don’t. You can’t have it both ways.

  101. 13curtjp says: May 7, 2012 7:10 PM

    Wow….just freaking wow! I’m completely embarrassed to be represented by this legislature. Everyone better start putting money away for more taxes because they’re going to have to make up that money lost once the Vikings leave.

  102. metalvike says: May 7, 2012 7:11 PM

    Why should the Minnesota Vikings pay anymore than what the have said they will contribute? It will be the home of the Vikings, but it would be a publicly owned stadium.

  103. wludford says: May 7, 2012 7:19 PM

    It is clear by how things are proceeding in the House debate, that this bill will go to conference committee for the final version to be hammered out. It will pass both House and Senate and go to confernece committee to be followed by a final vote in both chambers. The amendments for the most point now are designed to provide negotiating ability for the conference committee with the Vikings.

  104. gdeli says: May 7, 2012 7:26 PM

    They CAN change it at the last minute…they’re politicians! They are as good as gone. I am afraid that cheerful photo at the top will become just another memory of a failed team. Mark my words.

  105. wferg1121 says: May 7, 2012 7:52 PM

    If I am buying a car with a rebate but the dealership decides to raise the price of the car, I am walking! Zygi it’s time to walk away. In terms of people saying it’s only 100 hundred million he could get from naming rights well I am sure he included it in his original budget. Everyone is entitled to get the best deal possible whether it’s your home, car, land, etc. If you don’t expect Zygi to try to do the same your delusional. It’s sad but it’s looking like Minnesota will be losing the Vikings and Zygi is not obligated to leave the Vikings name with Minnesota. It’s not the same as Cleveland, the NFL is practically begging these guys to get this deal done.

  106. monctonvike says: May 7, 2012 7:52 PM

    @cwmorga says: Sorry but I doubt Minneapolis will ever host a SB. It’s not an attractive venue for a sporting event in early February.

    ———————————————–

    well every other team that has built a new stadium has gotten one. I see no reason to think that Minny would be different. I am sure Goodell as evil as he is would grant that.

    Heck isn’t there one gonna played outside in New york???

  107. fwippel says: May 7, 2012 7:57 PM

    Said it before and I’ll say it again: Minnesota does not deserve an NFL franchise. This is just one more cheap trick by a second rate city and state.

    Mr. Wilf should start shopping for a new city.

  108. calbsure says: May 7, 2012 8:01 PM

    So these asinine idiots have went from playing poker to Russian roulette. What a bunch of bumbling buffoons they have moonlighting as politicians.

  109. scrapingthefloorioforstorios says: May 7, 2012 8:03 PM

    go baby go!

  110. bfcerdo says: May 7, 2012 8:28 PM

    Obviously the state of Minnesota doesn’t want nor deserve to keep the Vikings. Thankfully I moved away from the land of 10,000 useless politicians last year.

  111. iplaybad says: May 7, 2012 8:33 PM

    The State of Minnesota is not doing well economically. Zygi is doing quite well, thank you very much. It’s that simple.

    Since this is such a big political hot potato, the people who are elected to represent the interests of Minnesota have worked hard to balance fiscal responsibility with the goal of keeping the Vikings in town.

    For those who scoff at this compromise, please produce facts (you know, real numbers) back up your data.

    Start with these two questions:

    (1) In the 15-20 years that the new stadium will exist until the next Vikings’ owner strong-arms the public to help fund a new stadium project, how much revenue should the State of Minnesota expect to receive in return from the stadium?

    (2) In the next 15-20 years that the new stadium will exist, how much revenue should the Minnesota Vikings expect to receive in return for their existence in the NFL?

    If you think the answer to question #1 is “greater than $398mm,” you are deluded. But, please try to do the math anyway. And yes, I have considered the tertiary businesses and the tax revenues they produce. It still won’t get to $19.9mm per year in tax revenue for the State of Minnesota because the Vikings and tertiary businesses will not yield $284mm per year ($19.9mm is 7% of this figure, which is what the State of Minnesota collects in sales taxes) in taxable revenues. And that’s just to break even. With the time value of money, the opportunity cost to a state in economic turmoil is silly.

  112. tweeter75 says: May 7, 2012 8:35 PM

    I’m sure the Vikings will appreciate that. Is this another attempt by the GOP to sabotage the bill? Since the majority of them don’t have the guts to stand up and vote yes or no it wouldn’t suprise me one bit. They should be reminded the election is during the middle of the football season.

  113. vetdana says: May 7, 2012 8:40 PM

    This may be a turning point for football as we know it, along with all the recent talk about concussions and long-term damage of players. It may simply be getting too expensive and too destructive to keep this whole thing going.

    Very good point!…….who wants to be sitting on a long term mortgage for a 975 million dollar football stadium when the NFL takes a great hit in the form of law Suite Settlements, and folds up its tent !….If this does happen…..the Mn. Legislature would have made the right decision……but again, no-one wants to hear anything negative…do they ?

  114. bfcerdo says: May 7, 2012 8:45 PM

    iplaybad says:

    “The State of Minnesota is not doing well economically. Zygi is doing quite well, thank you very much. It’s that simple.”

    Zygi knows how to run a successful business. The State of Minnesota does not. It’s that simple.

  115. adantsa says: May 7, 2012 8:51 PM

    My head hurts and I’m going to be very sad when my Vikes leave.

  116. bfcerdo says: May 7, 2012 8:52 PM

    iplaybad: You seem to forget in your numbers that the State of Minnesota gets 100% of state income tax revenue.

    How much of the $429M spent by the Wilfs would cover the construction workers income? How much of the $100M+ in annual payroll will be received by the state in income taxes? How about the income tax of the stadium workers? (Have you ever talked to the people who work concessions? They make some nice cash.) And income taxes of the sports writers? The taxes collected at MSP airport for the additional air traffic? How much public money is spent on unemployment, food stamps, etc for the laid off construction workers in the area?

  117. lks311 says: May 7, 2012 8:56 PM

    bearsrulepackdrool says:
    May 7, 2012 6:47 PM

    CHI and GB are football. DET just discovered the sport after dominating hockey and experimenting with basketball. MIN – once the Vikings leave, I personally believe the state will completely fall off the sports landscape. They’ve got nothing else. MIN isn’t football. It’s a joke.

    You better rub that WNBA championship while its there, lol.
    _______________________________

    That’s funny…and I’m a Lions fan. Actually, DET (the fans) didn’t just discover football—but the organization sure and the heck did. Minny, do the right thing and pay the man. You won’t get a second chance for, at least, a generation.

  118. mklax15 says: May 7, 2012 9:01 PM

    Good, bring them to L.A

  119. strokeofgenuis says: May 7, 2012 9:18 PM

    Ive never quite understood this and am surprised how many are siding with the NFL.

    The tax payers should pay for the stadium, an investment that won’t return the amount of money put in to the tax payer.

    Then season ticket holders should pay a PSL of several thousand dollars, ticket prices should be at least 65 bucks a seat, beers 10 bucks a piece, a hot dog 7. Jerseys 150, and parking 30.

    All the while Mr Wilf will be making money from the stadium ticket sales and concessions, shared league revenue, merchandise sales, tv contracts etc.

    In short the city needs to pay for the right to have a local team to rally behind, while the owner of said team can rape the local fans with prices to get rich(er)?

    Oh and the best part if we dont sell out the stadium you mr and mrs tax payer built, we will black out the game from your local tv.

    I would be all for local tax payer facilitation in funding the stadium, if the league gave something back, stop blacking out games, sell tickets at a more reasonable price.. something….

  120. samoanjungle says: May 7, 2012 9:31 PM

    Some teams, like the Ravens and Bengals, didn’t have to pay squat and I think Modell actually got a bounty for bringing the team there.
    Minnesota is lucky I’m not the owner because negotiations would be over. I’d be looking for a spot in LA, San Antonio, Mexico City etc

  121. Little Earthquake says: May 7, 2012 9:31 PM

    If the league really wanted a team in LA, there would be no Houston Texans right now. The city is a stalking horse, not a viable alternative. The Vikings will stay in Minnesota.

  122. hatesycophants says: May 7, 2012 9:37 PM

    Hey cwmorga and dadawg77,

    You two are dangerously ignorant.

  123. iplaybad says: May 8, 2012 12:23 AM

    The state of Minnesota would get their cut of income when games are run at the state tax rate. That rate isn’t 100%. It’s more like 7-8% of taxable income at the high end. If we presume $50mm in taxable income, that is $3-$4mm

    At best the state breaks even. At worst the state loses $5-10mm per year when this should be a winner for the tax payers. The reduced expenditure from the state is very fair.

  124. wildwestfootballfan says: May 8, 2012 2:32 AM

    “I also know the state must make tons, off of the vikes from sales tax off of the merchandise”

    Hey I pay sales tax I think the state goverment should buy me a new store, in a nice new mall

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