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Report: League “misrepresented” Gregg Williams’ interviews

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When it comes to the question of whether the NFL should release all evidence related to the Saints alleged bounty program, the evidence in favor of putting all cards on the table continues to grow.

The latest chunk of it comes from Mike Triplett of the New Orleans Times-Picayune, who buries a bombshell in an article regarding the fallout of the Anthony Hargrove declaration.

Writes Triplett:  “[A]ccording to a source close to [former Saints defensive coordinator Gregg] Williams, the NFL has also misrepresented what Williams said in interviews with the league.  According to the source, Williams never admitted a ‘bounty program’ was in place and that the league ‘rephrased his statements to satisfy its needs.’  The source also said Williams never identified any players for their involvement in a pay-for-performance or bounty program.”

Those are strong, stunning allegations.  Given the mounting attacks on the quality of the league’s evidence, the time has come for the NFL to disclose it.  All.  Publicly.  Every piece and shred of it.

It’s far too late for the NFL to hide behind “personnel matters” and “privacy rights.”  Through a series of detailed statements that the NFL has released containing summaries and characterizations of evidence, the reputations of Gregg Williams, Sean Payton, Joe Vitt, Mickey Loomis, Anthony Hargrove, Scott Fujita, Will Smith, and Jonathan Vilma forever have been sullied.  The least the league can do at this point is share with all of us the evidence that justified publicly branding these eight men as cheaters, liars, and worse.

This isn’t about exonerating Williams, who delivered a fatal blow to his own reputation the night before the Saints faced the 49ers in the 2011 NFC playoffs.  But the league has painted all of eight men with the same broad brush.  The time has come to take a scalpel to the evidence and figured out exactly who did what.

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  1. sportmentary says: May 7, 2012 8:50 PM

    Florio, I know you want all the evidence but it’s not your business to have it. Yes, you’re in the media but the NFL doesn’t have to disclose what it has. I’m one fan who’s comfortable with what the NFL has done here.

  2. mike8016 says: May 7, 2012 8:52 PM

    Another Twist in the story.

  3. sb50 says: May 7, 2012 8:53 PM

    Oh how the tables have turned.

  4. mdd913 says: May 7, 2012 8:54 PM

    This was evident the second it became known that the league office threw out GW’s original testimony and drafted their own version of his “apology”.

  5. mrcogburn says: May 7, 2012 8:54 PM

    One buried line? If the reporter thought it mattered, wouldn’t it be a HEADLINE?

  6. jrsmits says: May 7, 2012 8:55 PM

    Hey Mike,
    Not a criminal trial, yet.
    Don’t hold your breath. They don’t have to release anything.

  7. TSizzleBallSoHard says: May 7, 2012 8:56 PM

    It’s starting to sound more and more like the Saints got cheated, but it’s been so fun taunting and teasing Saints fans that I don’t want it to end lol.

  8. iced107 says: May 7, 2012 8:56 PM

    About damn time… Now theres allegations that everything we’ve heard has been manipulated to satisfy the NFL’s needs and justifications for its punishments?

    Either show the evidence or don’t. Done with GODdell and his dictating. I’m sure the Gooddell slurpers will be in full force around here but it ultimately comes down to one thing:

    If you’re accused of a crime, you want to see the evidence right? Especially if its been falsified

  9. theashleyguy says: May 7, 2012 8:57 PM

    But you do understand that Greg Williams confessed to everything and never appealed his suspension, right?

  10. rugdog100 says: May 7, 2012 8:57 PM

    Can someone tell me how Greggggggg Williams became a sympathetic character in this mess he created? Ban him for life.

  11. ghjjf says: May 7, 2012 8:58 PM

    They’re all guilty, the Lombardi trophy should be given to the Vikings.

  12. albefree69 says: May 7, 2012 8:58 PM

    You have no reason to know all the details. It’s just your job to try and find them out. Only the individuals involved need that information. To make a buck you want to out any whistle blowers? Are you completely lacking in nay principles?

  13. donnymacjack says: May 7, 2012 8:59 PM

    Hmm…I wonder if this has anything to do with the reason the lead investigator resigned?

  14. seeptermean says: May 7, 2012 9:00 PM

    The state the NFL is in right now is ridiculous. From the lockout to suspensions to changing rules t0 this whole bounty mess, I honestly only care about my team and that’s about it. I usually watch a game at every time slot on Sunday, but there are just way too many politics involved, and I just don’t care anymore. Maybe it’s because there is so much coverage of everything NFL (ahemmm PFT), the league has to do so much damage control. Once college football has a legitimate playoff, speaking for myself, I’m going to jump ship. Until then, NFL has time to redeem itself, get rid of Goodell or have some sort of checks and balances system. The day the the NFL becomes corrupt is a sad day…

  15. sportmentary says: May 7, 2012 9:01 PM

    Didn’t Hargrove say that both Williams and Vilma told him to keep quiet?

  16. dlk47823 says: May 7, 2012 9:01 PM

    How ironic that you’re demanding more evidence on the very day former Saint Hargrove announces he was told to cover it all up by Williams and Vitt. Vitt, Williams and Payton have seen the evidence against them. Thats why they’ve never denied it. That’s also why they’ve never asked for the proof. They know the league has it, they just never shared it with the players. Saints coaches and mgmt are going to let the players hang out to dry.

  17. hairpie says: May 7, 2012 9:04 PM

    Classic…. The Ryan Braun argument.

  18. csmit44 says: May 7, 2012 9:04 PM

    Time to get your popcorn ready kids…

    Either the NFL is going to make the saints look stupid or we are going to have a story on our hands that makes the so called bounty scandal seem like a footnote. If the NFL cheated my team and it was proven I’d want to watch it burn.

  19. dubblelznhell says: May 7, 2012 9:04 PM

    Something fishy is going on. It’s like the league over-fabricated these allegations and ‘made’ them absolute (through their well-connected relationships with various media) to satisfy their own agenda which is to turn the NFL into a touch-football league…

  20. TSizzleBallSoHard says: May 7, 2012 9:06 PM

    But I do remember hearing Williams apologize for everything he did. Why would he apologize for something he didn’t do?

  21. shrike3000 says: May 7, 2012 9:07 PM

    @theashleyguy

    How do you know what Gregg Williams confessed to? The League wrote his apology to fit their story. He did something. Most of them did something. The exactly what they did is a pretty important detail though. You can’t paint them all with this broad stroke of three year bounty program if its not true. Gregg Williams did not appeal because the coaches are at the total mercy of the commish. He holds their careers in his hands. They don’t have a union protecting them. They have to be very careful in ever opposing Goodell.

  22. cakemixa says: May 7, 2012 9:09 PM

    Have any of you ever heard GW actually apologize or admit it? Or are you also just taking Goodell’s word for it?

  23. carmelaanthonysoprano says: May 7, 2012 9:10 PM

    This is a case where millionaire athletes and staff are concerned, and found to be cheating. This is not a murder trial. No one’s life is on the line. Technicalities and phrasing and jargon is less than crucial in this matter.

    If “personnel matters” and “privacy rights” are violated for everyone involved(for the sake of a few athletes and coaches who were found to be guilty of something that hardly threatens their lives) than this whole case demonstrates the outlandishness and over-importance of American Sports.

  24. 88ibis says: May 7, 2012 9:12 PM

    Report: Friend of known drug dealer who sold drugs to the DEA on video says, “he told me he has no idea how those drugs and murder weapons got in his car. He says he’s an altar boy.”

    See how stupid that sounds?

  25. savocabol1 says: May 7, 2012 9:17 PM

    To be honest, the media doesnt have to have anything. In fact, they shouldn’t have any details. Despite your. Credentials, you are not entitled to every bit of nfl information that exists

  26. jealst says: May 7, 2012 9:18 PM

    sportmentary says:
    May 7, 2012 8:50 PM
    Florio, I know you want all the evidence but it’s not your business to have it. Yes, you’re in the media but the NFL doesn’t have to disclose what it has. I’m one fan who’s comfortable with what the NFL has done here.

     ———————————————————————————-

    Probably because your favorite team isn’t involved or simply because you dislike New Orleans.

  27. lt2369 says: May 7, 2012 9:18 PM

    If the Hargrove statement is an example of their evidence, I have no problem with what the NFL has done. He definitely confirmed the existence of the bounty program and that he lied about it.

    Granted, it wouldn’t stand up in a court room, but acknowledging that they told him to play dumb about it confirms it’s existence. People don’t tell people to deny something exists unless it does. Did they have to explain to him what the investigators were asking about because he wouldn’t know because it didn’t exist? No.

    You have to realize that legal rules of evidence don’t apply and that the NFLPA signed off on this disciplinary system in lieu of giving up money in the last CBA.

  28. mitchdms says: May 7, 2012 9:19 PM

    sportmentary says:
    May 7, 2012 9:01 PM
    Didn’t Hargrove say that both Williams and Vilma told him to keep quiet?
    _______________

    No. Williams and Vitt, no players were mentioned by Hargrove.

  29. pnut87 says: May 7, 2012 9:19 PM

    Yeah… about that audio where Williams says pretty clearly how to injure other players, and (insert player name) doesn’t walk off the field today, and the moneys there, and all that…

  30. dat504 says: May 7, 2012 9:19 PM

    It’s funny to hear Saints haters say that they don’t need to see any evidence. What are you afraid of??? Are you scared to find out that the team you’re scared of is not as dirty as you’d hope??? The Saints are the real deal, bounty or no bounty!!!!!

  31. beeronthefridge says: May 7, 2012 9:20 PM

    To celebrate upon hearing this news, the saints in-bred fans opened several jugs of moonshine.

  32. rexismybff says: May 7, 2012 9:20 PM

    Godell told the head of the US Senate Judiciary Committee to f— off when Arlen Specter made the same demands about the SpyGate evidence.

    Hope you aren’t holding your breath until you get the evidence, Florio. Could be a long wait.

  33. permiepoo says: May 7, 2012 9:22 PM

    “sportmentary says:
    May 7, 2012 8:50 PM
    Florio, I know you want all the evidence but it’s not your business to have it. Yes, you’re in the media but the NFL doesn’t have to disclose what it has. I’m one fan who’s comfortable with what the NFL has done here.”

    How can a fan be “comfortable” with one single person personally reviewing all evidence, regardless of the nature and then decreeing punishments and never having to answer to anyone?

    I’m not a Saints fan in the slightest, especially given they beat my team for the 09 Super Bowl… but look at a guy like Vilma. The average NFL career is short, and Goodell removes an entire year of his salary earning potential for what? Just because he says so?

    How can anyone support lack of transparency? If there’s nothing to hide, then the truth speaks for itself.

  34. thefiesty1 says: May 7, 2012 9:23 PM

    Good luck with that. The league will go kicking and screaming all the way before releasing all their “info”. They may piecemeal a little at a time to suit their needs. Dream on.

  35. potviking says: May 7, 2012 9:23 PM

    Just because he didn’t admit there was a bounty system, doesn’t mean there wasn’t one either. What’s he got to lose at this point being that it is likely he’ll never coach in the league again.

  36. briang123 says: May 7, 2012 9:24 PM

    The lawyers are doing their jobs for their clients. The problem with hypocrisy is that you must continue to be both hypocritical and contradictory so as not to appear to be hypocritical and contradictory. Kommissar Goodell needs to be smacked down from his perch and this might be it.

  37. buffalostampede90 says: May 7, 2012 9:26 PM

    ghjjf : You said give the Lombardi trophy to the vikings really how do you know they would’ve beaten the colts haha tool

  38. ajpurp says: May 7, 2012 9:27 PM

    Haha no one was accused of a crime, they were suspended from their employment. When do you get evidence because you get suspended? How bout a cop who got suspended, he gets evidence when he files a grievance or a lawsuit they don’t lay out their case against them when they tell you your fired or suspended. Seriously, not even tenured professors get this and they are covered, they’re told the general reason and they go peace. How do people not understand their is no crime, this is a private employment matter where u don’t get evidence until the appeals get going and discovery occurs, once discovery is done they’ll have the evidence but NO ONE is under any obligation to show the public or the media. Get real

  39. tfaulk says: May 7, 2012 9:27 PM

    What happened to protecting the whistleblowers, protecting the identities of those who told the truth?

  40. mungman69 says: May 7, 2012 9:31 PM

    The league doesn’t have to show us anything. Some writers are making some of these stories up.

  41. smirk11 says: May 7, 2012 9:33 PM

    Don’t you people read?

    Hargrove didn’t say anyone told him to coverup anything. Read Florios story on it. The NFL lied about that evidence too.

    And Gregg has never confessed to a pay for injury scheme. Learn to read.

  42. TSizzleBallSoHard says: May 7, 2012 9:37 PM

    In the end Williams and all of the Saints players had plenty of opportunity to deny the charges and they never did. If you’re accused of doing something like this and you didn’t do it then you would fiercely deny it from the start. They didn’t do that.

  43. kodakinvegas says: May 7, 2012 9:37 PM

    JFK would be proud. Grassy knoll, sewer, more than one gunman, CIA SECRET SERVICE cuz they had that limo open knowing JFK was dog meat I’n TX. Wait, MAFIA? Castro? Teamsters? Some broads husband. But NOT Oswald, with a rifle, shells, chicken, running out of the Depository Bldg. Couldn’t be him the communist loving Marine Marksman. LBJ. He wanted POWER, and lots of it. Why wasn’t HE shot at? And Clint Hill so far back from the car Jackie had to pull him into the car. That extra bullet on the further at the hospital. Surely one of the Dr.’s were I’n on it. But WAIT, THIS IS THE NFL CONSPIRACY against 8 or more lying, crooked, dirty, conniving, whining football and SUPERBOWL Saints it’s gotta be a CONSPIRACY!!! Gregg Williams would NEVER lie!!!! (Or would he?)

  44. downdabayou says: May 7, 2012 9:37 PM

    As for “sportmentary”, the WHO DAT Nation will be laughing at your team next year, how do you think Roger GODell will top this years headlines, another team, another suspention, ask Dallas and Washington, I bet their fans were GODell slurpers until he hit them with CAP GATE!

  45. veence69 says: May 7, 2012 9:37 PM

    A Commisioner who withholds evidence and doles out punishment as he sees fit, a multi-billion dollar industry that holds communities hostage until they pay for palaces for billionaire owners..

    The NFL looks real good right now.

  46. ejmat2 says: May 7, 2012 9:38 PM

    I guess people seem to forget that the coaches that were suspended all accepted “full responsibility”. Regardless of what evidence is brought forward they still did it. If they didn’t they would have fought it from the beginning. They were all ready to accept punishment right up until the punishment was harsher than they thought. Regardless of what evidence has been given it’s pretty safe to say there was in fact a bounty program. Self admitted by the coaching staff.

  47. kodakinvegas says: May 7, 2012 9:39 PM

    I know now!!!! Let’s call the Warren Commission back to investigate this NFL STUFF. THAT WILL SOLVE IT!

  48. andrewfbrowne says: May 7, 2012 9:40 PM

    Williams apologized and admitted that he did it. Hargrove has said he told to keep it quiet, by Vitt and Williams.

    That is amazingly damning evidence.

    What else do folks need? They have to protect the whistleblowers.

  49. usmutts says: May 7, 2012 9:40 PM

    I’m having a hard time trying to figure out what country some of you posters grew up in. Not the U.S., quite apparently. Here, we revere justice for all people and that means, in case you haven’t heard, the right to face your accuser. But in your country, might makes right; punishment without proof; secret trials with secret evidence; banishment by decree; public verbal lynchings….

    Tell me, what is so wrong with an American man simply asking his powerful accuser – who is also his judge, his jury, and his executioner – to kindly show him the facts? Is it just too American for your tastes?

  50. ejmat2 says: May 7, 2012 9:41 PM

    csmit44 says:
    May 7, 2012 9:04 PM
    Time to get your popcorn ready kids…

    Either the NFL is going to make the saints look stupid or we are going to have a story on our hands that makes the so called bounty scandal seem like a footnote. If the NFL cheated my team and it was proven I’d want to watch it burn.
    ————————————–
    As much as I believe it did happen I understand what you are saying. If in fact the players from the team were cheated in any way Goodell and the NFL should pay. Fair is fair. I do believe it happened based upon the front office staff accepting responsibility and apologizing for what they did. However, for the players to be punished there better be some hard evidence.

  51. PriorKnowledge says: May 7, 2012 9:41 PM

    Do you really, really want to believe Williams? I would not trust him to watch my car while i buy beer.

  52. vikingamericann says: May 7, 2012 9:44 PM

    To all those Who don’t want the evidence revealed. You have become so invested in the Saints guilt that you are afraid the evidence will prove you wrong. Those of us who were taught to think and question what we are told have been vindicated. Score one for muddied waters. We have two sets of facts based on unnamed sources. Whom to believe? Time for the NFL to lay it all out, or have the court of public opinion turn on them.

  53. mightyquinn69 says: May 7, 2012 9:46 PM

    I personally feels that the Commish is a lier. Sounds like he took William’s word, and made them fit his personal agenda. Just like he took it upon himself to destroy the evidence against the Pats in the Spy-gate scandal. I think he was protecting them. I honestly do trust that him as far as I could throw him. what he gave the Pats was a slap on the wrist, and that was a clear case of cheating. He didn’t suspend any of there coaches for any extended amount of time. The commish is full of IT!

  54. tubal22 says: May 7, 2012 9:47 PM

    donnymacjack says:
    May 7, 2012 8:59 PM
    Hmm…I wonder if this has anything to do with the reason the lead investigator resigned?
    ——
    Probably not:

    “NFL spokesperson Greg Aiello stated that Hummel is simply leaving to take on another job elsewhere stating that it’s a “major company” and Hummel will be accept a “senior security position” there.

    “Hummel, who is a former F.B.I. agent, has been the lead investigator on the case involving the New Orleans Saints and will depart the employment of the NFL in June. The company has been holding the position for him until then.
    Aiello also said that, “It’s a big career opportunity for Joe and has no bearing whatsoever on the Saints matter.” Of course this still won’t be readily accepted by Saints fans.”

  55. beardownwisconsin says: May 7, 2012 9:48 PM

    I heard the tapes. “Go for that ACL” is damning evidence. Or maybe the film of Saints players screaming “GIVE ME MY MONEY!” after big hits is enough to convince everyone. Why did Sean Payton apologize if they weren’t doing it?

  56. dakingsocrownme says: May 7, 2012 9:50 PM

    It’s starting to sound more and more like the Saints got cheated, but it’s been so fun taunting and teasing Saints fans that I don’t want it to end lol.

    _________________________________

    It only really counts as teasing if any of us actually care. We just all look@u as idiots who just wanted us to be in trouble because we have prolly kicked ur teams azz @ some point in time between 2009-2011. :D

    What will be even more fun is watching GoodellGate Transpire and watching us hoist that Lombardi Trophy again this year.

    As always please remove yourselves from the Tip of The New Orleans Saints Fleur De Lis

    Thanks

  57. billinlouisiana says: May 7, 2012 9:51 PM

    I just love how all the reports come from an “un-named” source. Until these reporters start naming the source I won’t believe a word of what they are saying. More often than not these “sources” are insiders for the organization or person being accused of something and they have an agenda to spin things in their favor.

  58. jason1980 says: May 7, 2012 9:51 PM

    OMG!! Goddell has been lying his a$$ off. Doesn’t surprise me one bit that Goddell and the NFL has been trying to screw the Saints and manipulate the media, with great success, might I add. This is a travesty, and until Goddell releases his evidence, the asterisk goes next to his tenure as commissioner of the NFL. How does a commissioner simply lie, and distort the truth in an effort to destroy a franchise because of a personal vendatta. It’s time for the owners to step forth and tell the commissioner, enough is enough, show the public what you have, or rescind the suspensions forthwith!!

  59. mistermayhem7 says: May 7, 2012 9:53 PM

    I say, disclose the evidence to the public. I’m sure the NFL won’t considering the black eye that the Saints* has already given the NFL. I say let the fall where they may, It’s not like they are going to lose it’s fan base. I don’t anybody is shocked by these allegations, considering there have been players that have killed people while drinking and driving. “Coughs “Leonard Little” coughs again “Donte Stallworth” besides I think Saints* fans have the right to know since they are the only fans defending their team.

  60. mistermayhem7 says: May 7, 2012 9:55 PM

    Lol why should the Vikings get the Lombardi trophy? That is lame and why would you want it? That makes no sense at all.

  61. outlawshark says: May 7, 2012 9:55 PM

    So let me get this straight. Hargrove’s coaches instructed him to tell a particular story. What do you think he is going to do? He’s going to listen to his coaches like a good soldier. Then when he does give the NFL what they want, he gets hammered by the commish? So, if he would have stayed silent like the coaches told him, he wouldn’t be in this situation? What kind of lesson is that? Man, Hargrove is the epitome of Damned if you do, Damned if you don’t. Tony, if you have to take the 8 game suspension, come out with fresh legs and a vengeance.

  62. kodakinvegas says: May 7, 2012 9:58 PM

    Speaking of Kennedy, two or three reports over there he is! In the middle of another conspiracy. Too good to be true. Put this on network tv and it’ll blow away American Idol. This stuff can’t be scripted, reality all the way. What an off season. Truly great stuff! Thanks Saints, thanks Williams n Payton and you too Commish Goodell. You made my iPhone more than worth the price. Great stuff , keep up the good work, you too Florio

  63. shzastl says: May 7, 2012 9:59 PM

    Hmm, a New Orleans paper says an anonymous source close to Williams believes the NFL ‘misrepresented’ Williams’ statements, yet Williams himself has not denied anything? I’m all for public disclosure of the evidence, but this misrepresentation claim is just as unsubstantiated as the NFL’s unsubstantiated claims that it is being used to attack. If this reporter wants the NFL to disclose its evidence, its only fair that this ‘source’ do the same.

  64. mistermayhem7 says: May 7, 2012 9:59 PM

    Personally, I think it did happen considering Williams pep talk.

  65. hairpie says: May 7, 2012 10:00 PM

    Hey everyone, i have an idea!! Lets break as many rules as we can, then just blame everyone else!!!

  66. ikoikofinanay says: May 7, 2012 10:01 PM

    Yes it IS Florio’s right to ask for PROOF. The league has misrepresented statements and documents. No entity is entitled to make slanderous or libelous claims against ANYONE. The suspended men ARE entitled to their day in court.

    Jon Vilma was fined the equivalent to 33% of the average lifetime earnings of a NFL player. Anyone who doesn’t think they don’t have a right to defend themselves needs to find another country to live in.

  67. patsaintsbroncoscheat says: May 7, 2012 10:01 PM

    Saints are GUILTY! We all listened to the youtube stuff. It was a great example of disgusting behavior.

  68. mistermayhem7 says: May 7, 2012 10:06 PM

    The NFL isn’t the government, the NFL is a Business. Should there be an investigation for everytime an employee is Terminated? Freaking Liberals.

  69. discosucs2005 says: May 7, 2012 10:06 PM

    I don’t care about the Saints at all, but who wouldn’t want the evidence out there?

  70. acetw says: May 7, 2012 10:07 PM

    @theashleyguy – But you do understand that G. Williams only admitted to a “Pay for performance” program, right? Or all this time did you only read everything how you wanted to read it? Nothing about bounties, nothing about injurys, just pay for performance which is a staple in nfl locker rooms all over the country.

  71. vikingamericann says: May 7, 2012 10:07 PM

    kodakinvegas no need to quote your hateful rants. Just know that Nevada has several crisis hotlines to help you. Perhaps, after a few years of therapy you will find peace with yourself. Then you will no longer be so deeply offended by people you have never met.

  72. northeastkiller says: May 7, 2012 10:12 PM

    Goodellgate is going to be so sweet. You know, if ESPN actually does their jobs and stops carrying water for Roger.

  73. cereal blogger says: May 7, 2012 10:15 PM

    A good defense attorney should have told the Saints to “mis-remember” everything

  74. nolahxc says: May 7, 2012 10:16 PM

    dude… i have no idea what’s going on anymore.

  75. kokomike says: May 7, 2012 10:16 PM

    In the court of public opinion, line up all the Saints and watch 100% of them claim no knowledge of bounties. Play the tape of Williams, and watch 100% of the players deny hearing it.

    100% denial = 100% guilt. The NFL is giving the Saints a break at this point. You know players on the offense knew about the bounties. Including the guy who immediately said he needed an explanation.

  76. cowboyscanada says: May 7, 2012 10:17 PM

    Can the NFL please put us all out of our misery and fold this franchise. Cheaters, liars, and so on….. Disgraceful!

  77. mthead55 says: May 7, 2012 10:18 PM

    Anyone comfortable with what “The League” has done probably works for the league.
    Basic principle of our law is innocent until proven guilty. Show the proof or back down.The league’s reputation does not warrant our belief based on their word.

  78. footballfan292 says: May 7, 2012 10:20 PM

    “We have to do everything in the world to kill Frank Gore’s head.”

    “We need to find out in the first two series of the game. the little receiver, number 10, about his concussion. We need to (explicit) put a lick on him right now!”

    “He becomes human when we (explicit) take out his ACL.”

    “Respect comes from fear. This is how you get respect in this league.”

    Case closed. Sorry Saints fans….you lose. Accept your punishment and move on.

  79. saints4evah says: May 7, 2012 10:23 PM

    Yup…Open up and say AHHHH Rog…you wanted this to set a precedent, so here we go…the season is going to be a footnote in this dramatic shUtstorm our wonderful malevolent dictator has started.
    And nwo all of sudden, after all the mob activity, the press is asking for evidence…game on…i hope this marks the beginning of the end of Roger Goodell’s reign of terrible.

  80. outlawshark says: May 7, 2012 10:23 PM

    mistermayhem7 says:May 7, 2012 9:55 PM

    Lol why should the Vikings get the Lombardi trophy? That is lame and why would you want it? That makes no sense at all.
    _________________

    I thought the Lombardi trophy avoided Minnesota at all cost?

  81. dondelusion says: May 7, 2012 10:26 PM

    It’s more like “My responses weren’t carefully crafted enough!”

    I have a distinct feeling this bounty system really wasn’t anywhere near extensive as it’s been made out to be and that these guys were suspended more for lying to the commish. Who knows. Perhaps a little honesty could have went a long way. It usually does.

  82. sfsaintsfan says: May 7, 2012 10:27 PM

    This is what probably happened:

    Gregg Williams got a little rowdy and over the top during the 2009 playoff games, trying to jack up his Defense. He got a player, possibly Vilma, to go along with the show. (Many current and former NFL Defensive players have come out and said what 99% of Williams said happens in all locker rooms prior to big games. The ACL thing was just stupidity on his part, he probably knew he was not going to be brought back for 2012.)

    Saints went out and played, for the most part, very clean games. (For the Favre fanatics, he couldn’t walk before the game started and Brees was also hit by a High/Low hit in that game.)

    Saints continued to play clean games for the next two years, as evidenced by the FACT that ZERO opposing players were “knocked-out” or “carted-off” as a result of illegal hits by the Saints Defense.

    Saints have a very limited “pay for performance” program during this time period. A relatively few dollars here and there for interceptions and sacks. Could not have been much paid to players because the Saints Defense SUCKED in 2010 and 2011. (See Seattle Playoff Game, see 49’ers Playoff Game.)

    During this time period, the whole Vicodin fiasco occurred. The Saints were able to use slight of hand and arbitration in order to avoid a full-blown NFL investigation. (Goodell has a long memory and wants to make Sean Payton pay. Basically tells him, “next time buddy, your ass is mine.”)

    One or more disgruntled former Saints staffers or players are made to say something about the 2009 playoff rah-rah speech.

    Goodell gets his goon squad to go after the Saints and find an easy target, Anthony Hargrove, a multiple suspension man who is one strike away from a big time ban from the NFL. They get the union to submit a “confession” which is not really a confession in the hopes of saving the guys career.

    Goodell see the writing on the wall with over 1,000 concussion lawsuits and decides he needs to make a sacrificial lamb out of somebody. Enter, the Saints and Sean Payton. Remember, Goodell thinks he owes him one.

    NFL gets wind of the Gregg Williams rah-rah speeches, although the audio does not get released until later.

    Goodell goes to Gregg Williams and tells him, “I will drop the hammer on you and you will never coach again” if you don’t take your one year ban without appeal.

    Saints front office is pretty much blindsided by this and is told, fall on the sword, or else. Sean Payton, knows deep down that Gregg Williams “went rogue” even though he never saw any of it personally. He doesn’t care about the Defense and doesn’t even sit in on their meetings.

    Goodell fires away at the Saints and puffs up his “evidence” to a very gullible “press” and I use that term very lightly. They lap it up because it is a “big” story and it is a slow news cycle in the NFL.

    The lead investigator quits when he sees how Goodell has twisted the entire process.

    The players, who did NOTHING WRONG ON THE FIELD, decide they are not going to take Goodell at his “word” and decide to fight.

    Next up. There is no “evidence” just a little bit of “smoke” back from 2009.

    Goodell is forced to resign within six months.

  83. brenenostler says: May 7, 2012 10:32 PM

    This information comes from a close source to Williams. Any bias in this story?

  84. saintjude267 says: May 7, 2012 10:37 PM

    There is no way Goodell will release this. It would make him look like the monster!!! Plus how is the league going to compensate the Saints for all of this bull!!!

  85. acetw says: May 7, 2012 10:44 PM

    @footballfan292 – You’re 100% wrong, but thanks for playing! :D

  86. sdisme says: May 7, 2012 10:50 PM

    NFL*

  87. booker1974 says: May 7, 2012 10:52 PM

    Williams’ confession* (provided to him by the league, per Dan Patrick, after his initial statement was deemed to not be contrite enough):

    “I want to express my sincere regret and apology to the NFL, Mr. Benson, and the New Orleans Saints fans for my participation in the ‘pay for performance’ program while I was with the Saints. It was a terrible mistake, and we knew it was wrong while we were doing it. Instead of getting caught up in it, I should have stopped it. I take full responsibility for my role. I am truly sorry. I have learned a hard lesson and I guarantee that I will never participate in or allow this kind of activity to happen again.”

    Interesting. I don’t see any confession of a bounty system, only of a “pay for performance” system.

  88. jelliot1978 says: May 7, 2012 11:05 PM

    This is the same thing as a company suspending their employee. A company is not required to divulge all information to said employee unless it goes to a court. The NFL has no obligation to reveal anything to anyone let alone the media and the public. These players are not facing criminal charges so they do not have any rights.

  89. zaggs says: May 7, 2012 11:11 PM

    Saints fanboy paper engaging in battlespace prep by going off of someone in Williams’s family no doubt. So if the NFL does release release everything, and it looks bad for the Saints, well then its just because the NFL manipulated it all.
    Stop carrying the unions water Floor-boy!

  90. billsfan1 says: May 7, 2012 11:11 PM

    “I want to express my sincere regret and apology to the NFL, Mr. Benson, and the New Orleans Saints fans for my participation in the ‘pay for performance’ program while I was with the Saints,” Williams said. “It was a terrible mistake, and we knew it was wrong while we were doing it. Instead of getting caught up in it, I should have stopped it. I take full responsibility for my role. I am truly sorry. I have learned a hard lesson and I guarantee that I will never participate in or allow this kind of activity to happen again.”

    This was taken from your very own website douchemonkey!!March 2, 2012, 5:27 PM EDT to be exact

  91. billsfan1 says: May 7, 2012 11:14 PM

    I’d like to again apologize wholeheartedly to the NFL, Coach Fisher, the entire Rams organization and all football fans for my actions. Furthermore, I apologize to the players of the NFL for my involvement as it is not a true reflection of my values as a father or coach, nor is it reflective of the great respect I have for this game and its core principle of sportsmanship. I accept full responsibility for my actions. I highly value the 23 years that I’ve spent in the NFL. I will continue to cooperate fully with the league and its investigation and I will focus my energies on serving as an advocate for both player safety and sportsmanship. I will do everything possible to re-earn the respect of my colleagues, the NFL and its players in hopes of returning to coaching in the future.”

    another quote: awfully apologetic for somebody who didnt do anything wrong isnt he?

  92. galvestontexans says: May 7, 2012 11:20 PM

    Why would the NFL make this up. It does nothing to make them look good. A cover up by the league about this I would understand. But to make up a story that brings bad press about the NFL. Not something they would do. I believe the saints had a bounty program. Think the punishment is a good one. They did the crime now they need to suck it up and do the time not look for a loophole to get out of it. The other players on the team should be glad that they only had enough evidence to suspend the 8.

  93. bigbeefyd says: May 7, 2012 11:28 PM

    So maybe I am the only guy that heard the audio (admittedly released by a total d-bag) where Williams was naming specific body parts on specific opposing players that his defensive players should target…go back, listen to it, and then come on here and TRY to justify it. If that wasn’t a “bounty program”, then how would you describe it?

  94. frozencajun says: May 7, 2012 11:30 PM

    ” ghjjf says: May 7, 2012 8:58 PM

    They’re all guilty, the Lombardi trophy should be given to the Vikings.”

    Poor Vikings fans, I really feel bad for you as you seem to be a very confused fan base. Why would you get the Lombardi? You lost the NFC championship game not the superbowl…if anyone would be next in line for the trophy it would be the Colts not Vikings. Get it through your heads your team blew that game on their own. Blaming the loss on bountygate is just more grasping at straws on your part (something you seem to be good at).

  95. briang123 says: May 7, 2012 11:31 PM

    Look, I know as a private entity the Constitution doesn’t apply to the NFL. But, they chose to enjoy the benefits of America, i.e. access to billions of American entertainment dollars, so now they have a responsibility to honor American values of due process, the right to confront the accused, to see all the evidence against them, to present witnesses in their favor, and to have a public trial because nothing helps the truth find its way out better than sunlight on the entire process. Personally, I believe there were bounties. And if there were and the evidence is there, then show it to the accused and the American public. Don’t expect me to accept men losing their livelihoods on Goodell’s word. I am an attorney and if they hired me for an “independent review'” I’d have told Goodell just that. Mary Jo White, on the other hand, has her eye on more $1,000 an hour cases from the NFL. Even less so would I take a prosecutor’s word on the evidence. Let than and us see everything.

  96. musicman495 says: May 7, 2012 11:31 PM

    mistermayhem7 says: May 7, 2012 9:59 PM

    Personally, I think it did happen considering Williams pep talk.
    ——————————————–
    Too bad for your theory that the pep talk did not actually result in any penalized actions by the Saints.

  97. hairpie says: May 8, 2012 12:02 AM

    Hey Rog,

    Before you are forced to resign, can we have our first round pick back now that you destroyed the evidence that implicated other teams doing the same thing?

    Thanks,

    The Pats

  98. sonnyboychris says: May 8, 2012 12:02 AM

    LOL at the Goddell slurpers being left with a funny taste in their mouths in lieu of recent revelations.

  99. bigbadal21 says: May 8, 2012 12:03 AM

    I know 4 things for sure
    1-There could never be enough evidence released to make a Saints fan admit his team is guilty
    2-The Saints at a minimum had a pay for performance scheme and were told to stop and did not
    3- The coaching staff and some players lied to the investigaters
    4-The NFL and Roger Goodell did not want to have to pursue this but were forced to do so because the Saints organization would not stop

  100. robf2010 says: May 8, 2012 12:03 AM

    “You have to realize that legal rules of evidence don’t apply”

    So why did the NFL have a famous and expensive lawyer review their case?

  101. sloppydogg says: May 8, 2012 12:05 AM

    I agree if you have nothing to hide then show the evidence, then show the entire package to the NFLPA they have the rite to see the evidence. How can they represent them if you are not giving them the fact’s that you condemn these men for.

  102. robf2010 says: May 8, 2012 12:08 AM

    “What happened to protecting the whistleblowers, protecting the identities of those who told the truth?”

    And if the NFL’s whole house of cards is built on the eye witness testimony of a handful of disgruntleds???

  103. sloppydogg says: May 8, 2012 12:08 AM

    You make me laugh frozen, if brett the man runs out of bounds or for the 1st down you win, only a idiot will throw the ball back across the field. You lose again…………….

  104. robf2010 says: May 8, 2012 12:19 AM

    “awfully apologetic for somebody who didnt do anything wrong isnt he?”

    So, what did he admit to? See the word “bounty” in there anywhere?

  105. robf2010 says: May 8, 2012 12:21 AM

    “These players are not facing criminal charges so they do not have any rights.”

    They have contracts, though. If terms of their contract are not honored, I think they have the right to know why. That’s probably in their contract, too.

  106. fusion3450 says: May 8, 2012 12:23 AM

    andrewfbrowne says:
    May 7, 2012 9:40 PM
    Williams apologized and admitted that he did it. Hargrove has said he told to keep it quiet, by Vitt and Williams.

    That is amazingly damning evidence.

    What else do folks need? They have to protect the whistleblowers.
    ———————
    did u even bother reading what this article is about?

  107. fusion3450 says: May 8, 2012 12:25 AM

    billsfan1 says:
    May 7, 2012 11:11 PM
    “I want to express my sincere regret and apology to the NFL, Mr. Benson, and the New Orleans Saints fans for my participation in the ‘pay for performance’ program while I was with the Saints,” Williams said. “It was a terrible mistake, and we knew it was wrong while we were doing it. Instead of getting caught up in it, I should have stopped it. I take full responsibility for my role. I am truly sorry. I have learned a hard lesson and I guarantee that I will never participate in or allow this kind of activity to happen again.”

    This was taken from your very own website douchemonkey!!March 2, 2012, 5:27 PM EDT to be exact
    ———————
    did u even bother reading what this article is about?

  108. robf2010 says: May 8, 2012 12:25 AM

    “Plus how is the league going to compensate the Saints for all of this bull!!!”

    That part would be fairly easy. Forgo all fines and suspensions and, to make up for the #2 draft pick stripped this year, a compensatory #1 next year.

    That’s if any or much of this is NOT true.

  109. robf2010 says: May 8, 2012 12:32 AM

    “I know 4 things for sure”

    I’ll give you all of them. They don’t add up to the severity of the punishments.

  110. treesloth16 says: May 8, 2012 12:40 AM

    Baseball and Basketball suck because of mismanagement by their respective Commissioners. The NFL under Goodell is becoming another joke league.

    The current issues: concussions, bounties, illegal hits, current and former player salaries, CBA are very important things to resolve. But Goodell is not handling any of these effectively. He wants player safety, but wants 18games? My guess is that he and the owners want 18 games, but played at basketball level physical contact. My guess is that the money being made will be the same as now or less because less fans will be willing to watch/attend when the game is changed to a ‘puff’ league. I know I won’t be watching this flag football.

  111. musicman495 says: May 8, 2012 12:47 AM

    Mike Florio, some of us have been banging the “Where is the evidence” drum since March 2. Glad to have you and other responsible members of the media aboard.

    This “protecting the whistleblowers” excuse for not releasing the evidence is baloney. The entire bountygate episode is about Goodell using the Saints as cannon fodder to protect the league in the liability lawsuits.

    My guess is that the 50,000 pages show something the league does not want made public – either that the league did nothing for years about the evidence of the Saints bounty program, or that they did not follow up on evidence that showed similar bounty programs existed with many other teams, or that the league indeed followed up on evidence that similar bounty programs existed with many other teams, but they covered it up so as not to show how widespread the league’s liability really was.

  112. shzastl says: May 8, 2012 1:10 AM

    “jelliot1978 says:May 7, 2012 11:05 PM

    This is the same thing as a company suspending their employee. A company is not required to divulge all information to said employee unless it goes to a court. The NFL has no obligation to reveal anything to anyone let alone the media and the public. These players are not facing criminal charges so they do not have any rights.”
    _________________________
    Actually, the legally-binding CBA does give the players rights to certain information — this is not the same as a company suspending its non-union employees. But that is really not the issue here. The NFL is hyper-sensitive about its image and knows that its success depends on the public’s confidence in the integrity of the game, which is why they imposed such harsh punishments. However, with all the conflicting information out there, the public has ZERO confidence in the integrity of this process. Therefore, legal obligations aside, it is in the league’s interest to disclose the “proof”, to make sure they don’t lose fans over this.

  113. sfsaintsfan says: May 8, 2012 2:18 AM

    bigbeefyd says: May 7, 2012 11:28 PM

    “So maybe I am the only guy that heard the audio (admittedly released by a total d-bag) where Williams was naming specific body parts on specific opposing players that his defensive players should target…go back, listen to it, and then come on here and TRY to justify it. If that wasn’t a “bounty program”, then how would you describe it?”

    ******************

    You just don’t get it do you?

    The Saints Defensive Players did NOTHING in that game that even remotely looks like a “bounty”.

    They barely even hit or tackled anybody for crying out loud.

    They had ZERO penalties.

    If there had been a bounty, and if it was acted upon, I guarantee you somebody would have gotten hurt. The average NFL player outweighs me by 100 pounds and I can take the ACL out on any one of them by just running at them full bore from the side and diving at their knees.

    This whole “bounty” thing is a figment of Roger Goodell’s imagination. This is all about over 1,000 concussion lawsuits brought by former players and Roger is worried about the long term financial viability of the league.

    There were no bounties, just talk…..

  114. besdayz says: May 8, 2012 4:27 AM

    Who would have thought that the real scum in this story is not the Saints but a corrupt vile NFL led by a ugly bottom of the barrel lawyer Goodell.

    This case is full of holes, lies, exaggerations, mispresentations, and is crumbling all over the place.

    Sounds like Ed Werder was right in saying the Saints had this scheme in place for 2 games and that too it was a fake by GW telling Vilma to bring money to the meeting and then gave it back to him.

    No injuries, no seeming intent to injure, just a bunch of talk. And with Roger seeing this as a way to mitigate concussion lawsuits and ask for a 18 game schedule while pretending to care about safety.

    The Saints have to be made whole again by return of picks, fines, and revoking of suspensions. This is a pure hit job railroading.

    Can’t wait till this ends in Goodellgate, that guy is gone.

  115. besdayz says: May 8, 2012 5:19 AM

    So maybe I am the only guy that heard the audio (admittedly released by a total d-bag) where Williams was naming specific body parts on specific opposing players that his defensive players should target…go back, listen to it, and then come on here and TRY to justify it. If that wasn’t a “bounty program”, then how would you describe it?

    —————————————————————-

    I classify it with the same other crass vile vulgar talk that happens in lockerrooms across this game we call NFL football. Your team does it to i’m sure.

    Unless you can prove there was intent by the players, specific actions and results of these actions, then you have nothing but talk.

    How can you assume the players just didn’t ignore it. The evidence of not 1 single cartoff or major injury to opponents in 3 yrs would suggest that interpretation.

    Wihtout real evidence you can’t go with this innuendo.

  116. jh4prez says: May 8, 2012 6:25 AM

    Those guys reps havnt been sullied.everybody knows they are just being scape goated.

  117. halbert53 says: May 8, 2012 7:34 AM

    The NFL can either release it, or one of the accused can file a libel/invasion of privacy lawsuit against the NFL that would make all of the evidence a public record. I am not defending Williams or anyone else, but I absolutely do not like Goodell being judge, jury and executioner.

  118. sloppydogg says: May 8, 2012 8:05 AM

    Hmmmm! let me see if i understand rite ruin a few people lives train rack the NFL, protect someone who at the time thought what ever was taken place was not so bad when they were part of the organization and getting a fat check. If you show the media an fans a picture with me in black & white taking a cookie out of the cookie jar that almost makes me guilty by far i say almost. Show the facts in black & white not what they said but what evidence you collected with info that tie all the men to this. Mr. Goodell people still lie like the saints may be telling a few lies. The worst thing hargrove done was let you convince him if he change his story he will be alright hey grove never i say never change you’re story now you really look guilty no bail out for you good way of hanging ur ex team mates out to dry.

  119. franktherat96 says: May 8, 2012 8:13 AM

    ******************************** These should be next to Roger GoToHell’s name as a NFL commsioner. He needs to go. Something smelled fishy from the word go. I have said it before and will say it again. The league does not want to release the information not because of “privacy” concerns. They don’t want to release it because they know its BS. The doctored up a lot of it and couldn’t keep the lid on it. Unfortunately when it is proven the league has been lying about a lot of this some of you fans will still want to put an asterisk or say our championship was tainted. I really don’t care what you all think ,but will LMAO when its proven how much this stuff was made up.

  120. ravensgrl says: May 8, 2012 8:25 AM

    robf2010 says:
    May 8, 2012 12:21 AM

    They have contracts, though. If terms of their contract are not honored, I think they have the right to know why. That’s probably in their contract, too.
    ________

    They have the right to know why, and I believe they know exactly why. Now it seems that those who are involved are trying to spin this in the media to try to save face. The league doesn’t have to provide any evidence to the media or anyone else other than those who were involved. It’s just like any other employer giving discipline for violating policies… the employee being disciplined can say whatever they want; the employer has to be more discreet to protect their privacy.

  121. ejmat2 says: May 8, 2012 8:53 AM

    Made up? What don’t you get about the coaching staff admitting to it? They took “full responsibility”. Do you not remember that?

  122. nawlinslady1970 says: May 8, 2012 9:03 AM

    mistermayhem7 says: May 7, 2012 10:06 PM

    The NFL isn’t the government, the NFL is a Business. Should there be an investigation for everytime an employee is Terminated? Freaking Liberals.

    ***********************************************

    Yes moron, the NFL is a business, and they owe the season ticket holders an explanation. If Godell is misrepresenting or exaggerating his so called evidence then we deserve to know because we have a personal stake in the success of our team. As for anyone questioning the coaches cooperation, of course they’re not going to rock the boat, they don’t want to lose their jobs for good. These guys have great jobs with great pay, I wouldn’t want to lose that either.

  123. seahulk9 says: May 8, 2012 9:08 AM

    they should all be banned coaches players GM. and move the team to LA. hey williams im sure the tape of u calling for peoples heads was misinterpreted by the league as well. F the saints

  124. kingfish4242 says: May 8, 2012 9:36 AM

    sportmentary says:
    May 7, 2012 8:50 PM
    Florio, I know you want all the evidence but it’s not your business to have it. Yes, you’re in the media but the NFL doesn’t have to disclose what it has. I’m one fan who’s comfortable with what the NFL has done here.

    371 558

    ===================================

    Translation- I’m comfortable with what the NFL has done because I don’t like the Saints.

    Just wait, if Goodell sticks around for awhile,he’ll be coming for your team soon.

    Unlike the players, Loomis,Williams,Vitt,and Payton don’t have a union backing them. Goodell was judge,jury,and executioner on their particular cases.

    God forbid you ever have legal trouble and require the services of a lawyer. How would you feel if everyone on the jury said You’re guilty because the police said so,but refused to bring solid evidence to your trial proving it? Like it or not, that’s basically what you’re saying.

    Apologies to Mike,but I’m as guilty as anyone who’s laughed at lawyer jokes. I also know they’re are needed in real life. Without them, we’d be living in a police state and mega corporations such as the NFL would essentially get away with murder without fear of punishment.

  125. frozencajun says: May 8, 2012 9:54 AM

    sloppydogg says: May 8, 2012 12:08 AM

    You make me laugh frozen, if brett the man runs out of bounds or for the 1st down you win, only a idiot will throw the ball back across the field. You lose again…………….
    ————————————————–

    Brett ran for something like two yards all season, doubt he was ever thinking anything but pass on that play.

  126. georgiavol91 says: May 8, 2012 9:57 AM

    Well, well, well. Looks like all the fruitcakes in NO are out and about today. You cajuns got your trophy. Now just go away. Cheaters.

  127. nawlinslady1970 says: May 8, 2012 10:46 AM

    ravensgrl says: May 8, 2012 8:25 AM

    They have the right to know why, and I believe they know exactly why. Now it seems that those who are involved are trying to spin this in the media to try to save face. The league doesn’t have to provide any evidence to the media or anyone else other than those who were involved. It’s just like any other employer giving discipline for violating policies… the employee being disciplined can say whatever they want; the employer has to be more discreet to protect their privacy.

    ********************************************

    I understand your stance on this and I’m sure you wish this would all just go away. If I was a Ravens fan I would feel the same way.

    http://www.baltimorebeatdown.com/2012/4/2/2919702/ravens-reportedly-had-bounty-program

  128. ravensgrl says: May 8, 2012 1:09 PM

    nawlinslady1970 says:
    May 8, 2012 10:46 AM

    I understand your stance on this and I’m sure you wish this would all just go away. If I was a Ravens fan I would feel the same way.
    _________

    I know the story in Baltimore. Too bad the Taints got caught up in this mess. Trying to point the fingers at other teams alleged activities isn’t fooling anyone. Nice try, though.

  129. shrike3000 says: May 8, 2012 5:53 PM

    @bigbadal21

    1 & 4 are wrong. Otherwise you got it.

  130. gerttownmomo says: May 9, 2012 9:21 AM

    QUOTE: ‘Granted, it wouldn’t stand up in a court room, but acknowledging that they told him to play dumb about it confirms it’s existence.’ — this just goes to show you why the NFL is a billion dollar a year business. this has got to be the stupidest statement i’ve read since this whole thing started.

    GO PACK! and whoever is playing the bears and vikings.

  131. dmouton says: May 10, 2012 1:05 PM

    “A source close to Gregg Williams said”
    “Bounty program”
    “Peyton lied”
    “22 to 27 Saint players involved”
    “QB’s targeted to end their careers”
    He said, they said, ETC ETC ETC……..
    All of the above and much more has been “created” by and responded to, ad-infinitum, by every talking head in the media business.
    In my opinion, if the league knew about this three years ago and Goodell’s priority as Comish is to make the game safer, why wasn’t it dealt with it then? How many players were intentionally injured during that time? It seems to me that the Comish was complicit in allowing this to continue. If opening up this can of worms by the Comish was to help negate damages awarded to retired players injury suits, then I think it may have back-fired on him.

  132. silentcount says: May 11, 2012 7:45 PM

    For the people who are comfortable with Goodell punishing another team besides their own, look at it this way — Your team is in a game, a ref throws a flag and marches them back 15 yards, with no explanation as to why and no replays at all. The fans who pay to watch will accept penalties, fines and suspensions only when replays show clear evidence of the violation. They don’t just accept Goodell’s word and go back to happily watching the game. It has to be equally fair for all, especially when involving a dictator who’ll eventually abuse his absolute power. He has to be called on it, just like anyone else, or it’ll wind up like playing football in North Korea.

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