Comments on: The Anthony Hargrove declaration

By: vikingsfanintexas

vikingsfanintexas — Sat, 02 Jun 2012 03:08:53 +0000

turdpatrol says:May 7, 2012 5:22 PM

Having worked in the legal field for quite some time, this doesn’t appear to be anything out of the ordinary. If there was no murder, and a client has no knowledge of a murder, you tell them to state that. Now, I’m not saying that the Saints organization didn’t obstruct the investigation and/or didn’t cooperate. That’s a separate issue. But I’m wondering this: If this Hargrove declaration is purported to be so damning, why doesn’t he mention that there was indeed a bounty? Only that his coaches asked him to stick to denying it?

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I’ll be the first to admit that the bounty program, real or imagined didn’t decide the game between the Vikings and the Saints. Turnovers by the Vikings did them in… period.

Having said that, and having spent nearly 30 years in the criminal justice field, I have to say your statement amazed me… and not in a good way.

I think any reasonable person would conclude that not only was there a bounty program but that they bribed this poor sap through his hope to start at DE into helping cover it up…

“It wasn’t until later that I realized that the presentation Coach Williams gave me regarding my opportunity to start at defensive end might have had something to do with what he was about to tell me to do.”

I’m less troubled by the bounty program, real or imagined, than I am by your comments as they are just SAD… really SAD.

And those of your giving his comments a thumbs up… heaven help us all…

By: miles58a

miles58a — Wed, 23 May 2012 13:59:10 +0000

What happened to paragraph 6? Was there just a big blank area on the page because if Hargrove didn’t wright anything than 7 should have been 6

By: dgeet

dgeet — Mon, 14 May 2012 20:29:18 +0000

Two AFC Championship games in his first two seasons…limited experience as a college player and still helps his team to both games…not a jets fan btw. He has one bad season and everyone hates on him. Also he lost Braylon Edwards who I think is a very under rated wideout, santonio shows up when he wants to and the defensive players they lost was the reason why my eagles stomped on them in that 45 to 19 (I think that was the score)

By: willyfreee

willyfreee — Sat, 12 May 2012 03:37:54 +0000

the “wussle blower” is jimmy kenedy. (insinuated in paragraph 4). but that being said hargrove never said in entire statement “yes i did in fact even tell him that” there is no mention whatsoever of vilma, sean payton, loomis, will smith or tom benson. as far as i know the only evidence even presented against anyone currently connected to the saints is vitt coming into the room when greg williams tells hargrove to deny something that likely didnt even happen. i fail to believe the nflpa would defend a “pay for injury” program…..the supposed victims are part of their clients too. i look forward to any disagreements with me as im sure there will be some (likely vikings fans upset they cant beat us).

By: dcbassguy

dcbassguy — Thu, 10 May 2012 17:03:14 +0000

This declaration is in regards to the cover up and the fact that he was told to “act dumb”, not the bounty program itself. The declaration was made after the NFL had punished the Saints officials. I’m amazed at the lack of reading comprehension from the people that post comments here.

By: jluns275

jluns275 — Wed, 09 May 2012 20:44:28 +0000

I’m pretty sure everyone already knew Gregg Williams & Joe Vitt were the spearheads of the cover-up.
What may be a little more interesting is the implication by Williams that Hargrove would start at his preferred position Defensive End if he kept his mouth shut, & the implication by Vitt that he had brought Hargrove both into the league & to the Saints, & could remove him from such just as easily.

By: puckertrucker

puckertrucker — Wed, 09 May 2012 05:26:11 +0000

Again the Saints Players hyave opened their collective mouths and inserted the collective feet in same. Again the NFL should Ban the Saints from playing in the NFL, and force the Mr. Benson to Sell the Franchise to an Organization that can Collectively play by the rules. It only shows that the Saints Organization in full of Dirt Bags and it needs to be sent to the Nearest Dump in the City of New Orleans as Soon as Possible. The One and Only PuckerTrucker!!!!!Skol Fans

By: blitzthepig

blitzthepig — Tue, 08 May 2012 11:28:17 +0000

We shouldn’t forget the audio of Gregg Williams prior to the 49er/Saint playoff game. That in itself sheds enormous light on who this dirt bag really is.

By: jpspear

jpspear — Tue, 08 May 2012 03:18:16 +0000

The NFL is under no legal responsibility to show anything. However, if they think Goodell saying “trust me” and the lawyer he hired saying “trust me” and this confession that doesn’t really confess (or deny) anything is going to make things go away, they are sadly mistaken. If you’re going to take a year from a guy’s career and a few million dollars, you better come up with something better than that.

By: bmitchelf

bmitchelf — Tue, 08 May 2012 01:27:54 +0000

But Vitt and Williams are the known “defendants.” The whistleblower(s) is an anonymous (to the public) source that should remain that way.

The NFL feels no need to show you proof. See Spygate.

By: AB in DC

AB in DC — Tue, 08 May 2012 00:53:34 +0000

As usual — it’s not the crime, it’s the coverup.

By: turdpatrol

turdpatrol — Mon, 07 May 2012 21:22:32 +0000

I’ve been following this saga along with everyone else, and here’s what I now find very interesting…

Nowhere in Hargrove’s declaration does he actually say there was a bounty. He says repeatedly that he was instructed by coaches to deny a bounty. Well, if I had no knowledge of a bounty, I would certainly go along with it and say, in fact, that I had no knowledge of a bounty.

I’m having my doubts now. If Goodell doesn’t hand over some actual proof that a pay-for-injury program was unequivocally in place, I can’t help but conclude that the Saints organization panicked over the accusations and wrongly told everyone to stick to the story in the hopes that it would just blow over.

Again, I’m not saying the coaches weren’t in the wrong here. I’m just wondering why the only evidence we’ve heard/seen is Greg Williams mouthing off a bunch of nastiness in the locker room. That audio does nothing to implicate players or demonstrate that money was exchanged, which is exactly what the players are being accused of. I was expecting Hargrove’s statement to admit that a bounty program was in place. This case would never fly in a court of law, at least not with the evidence the NFL is offering.

By: danny2305

danny2305 — Mon, 07 May 2012 21:18:19 +0000

Florio is 100% against revealing the whistle-blower of the bounty in the first place…. but is happy to track down and print the entire contents of Hargroves declaration which basically whistle-blows on Vitt and Williams?!

Pot meet kettle.

By: bleedgreen

bleedgreen — Mon, 07 May 2012 21:02:37 +0000

So it doesn’t mention Vilma at all, lending more credence to the ‘They have not provided any evidence’ attack they have going on.

By: sterlingsaint

sterlingsaint — Mon, 07 May 2012 20:40:59 +0000

What this declaration shows is that Roger Goodell has lied to the public, Period.

Ban him for a year!

By: amg503

amg503 — Mon, 07 May 2012 20:21:02 +0000

I think it’d be wise if Gregg Williams started thinking about other career paths to go into, because reentering the NFL is looking less and less likely.

By: jefftownsend52

jefftownsend52 — Mon, 07 May 2012 20:19:06 +0000

so he declares neutrality?

By: jeremywflores

jeremywflores — Mon, 07 May 2012 20:13:29 +0000

Brett Favre might be a zero but the Saints are an absolute cancer.