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Vitt denies that he told Hargrove to lie

New Orleans Saints' interim head coach, who is also the linebackers coach, Joe Vitt addresses the media at the Saints practice facility in Metairie Reuters

Saints interim head coach Joe Vitt, who has been suspended six games for his role in the Saints’ pay-for-performance/bounty program, allegedly told defensive end Anthony Hargrove to deny that a bounty had been placed on Brett Favre in the 2009 NFC title game, and to deny generally the existence of a bounty program.

Vitt denies it, according to Mike Triplett of the New Orleans Times-Picayune.

“At no time did I ever tell Anthony Hargrove to lie or deny the existence (of the alleged bounty program),” Vitt said.  “He can say whatever he wants to say.  It just didn’t happen.”

But here’s the thing.  Vitt consistently has denied the existence of a “bounty” program.  Instead, he has admitted that the Saints had a pay-for-performance system.

“We had a pot for big plays, the same thing everyone else in the league has, now they call them pay-for-performance.  But we never paid for dirty hits,” Vitt said.  “I’ll say it again, the exact same thing I told the Commissioner, our players never crossed the white lines with an intent to maim or injure.  They never threatened the integrity of the game when they crossed the white lines.”

That’s where the gap in the facts exists.  The league says that money was paid for “cart-offs” and “knockouts,” but the league has yet to identify a single cent contributed or paid for a “cart-off” or a “knockout” caused by the Saints in 2009, 2010, and/or 2011.

If it happened, why not disclose the proof of it?  If it didn’t, why isn’t this simply being characterized as an illegal pay-for-performance program?

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75 Responses to “Vitt denies that he told Hargrove to lie”
  1. mjkelly77 says: May 8, 2012 12:22 AM

    These guys are so confused that they’re now lying about how they originally lied about the lies they told.

  2. paulitik74 says: May 8, 2012 12:27 AM

    The NFL is just making it all up. Everyone knows that they hate small market, Super Bowl hosting cities with redemptive stories of overcoming natural disasters.

    (Tightens Tinfoil hat)

  3. isphet71 says: May 8, 2012 12:28 AM

    Hooo boy. The rhetoric war for public opinion has truly begun.

    Gonna get very old, very quickly with both sides spouting half-truths and non-falsifiable statements.

    At this point I would welcome a neutral arbitrator and not have an open battle for public opinion.

  4. 49erdynasty says: May 8, 2012 12:33 AM

    Vitt: Anthony… this is how you “play dumb.”

  5. painterdude says: May 8, 2012 12:35 AM

    What do you expect him to say??

  6. bigredjbird says: May 8, 2012 12:38 AM

    REALLY tired of hearing about it

  7. veence69 says: May 8, 2012 12:39 AM

    ducks in a row..

  8. truthfactory says: May 8, 2012 12:39 AM

    Um.. how much evidence do we need??? A confession from greg williams (along with the incrimenating audio tape from the 49rs game directing players to take out the ACL), and there’s audio tape of Hargrove screaming “pay me my money” after he temporarily knocked Favre out of the 09 NFC Championship game.

    Throw in players being told to lie or “play dumb”…. You have to be an idiot to ignore all that and assume Roger Goodell was just bored one day and decided to make fake audio of these guys and fake confessions just because he felt like it…

    Plus they were warned AND THEY KEPT DOING IT!

    They got busted, stop making pathetic excuses Saints fans… You guys sound delusional

  9. randolph32 says: May 8, 2012 12:46 AM

    You get a ‘thumbs up’ paulitik because of the Tinfoil Hat comment….!

  10. ningenito78 says: May 8, 2012 12:46 AM

    The NFL is obviously not making all this up. But it is entirely possible they jumped the gun, in lieu of the pending concussion lawsuits, and handed out punishments to prove a point without having all their I’s dotted an T’s crossed. As the Ryan Braun case with his PED test and major league baseball, overlooking or missing a loophole or not realizing your rules are not completely backed in the court of law, anything can happen. This is a long way from over folks and it’s starting to seem like the NFL and Roger Goodell may not come out of this smelling like a rose.

  11. randolph32 says: May 8, 2012 12:47 AM

    Parental Unit always told me it was too difficult to remember your lies, guess he was right in this instance…..

  12. musicman495 says: May 8, 2012 12:50 AM

    The NFL is just making it all up.
    ————————————-
    Since no one has seen the evidence, how do you know they are not?

  13. cowboyscanada says: May 8, 2012 12:55 AM

    What a mess! Please put the Saints out of their misery. Suspend operations for a year and move this disgraceful franchise to another city.

    I sure hope they look into Bree’s comments about having no idea about the bounty scandal. Its laughable that any of them deny knowledge of this. Show some class!

  14. jason1980 says: May 8, 2012 1:02 AM

    You Goddell slurpers will hear what you want to here and nothing else. Luckily, sane minds are asking questions, and the commissioner is between a rock and hard place. If he doesn’t show his evidence, his credibility is DEAD! You don’t accuse a franchise of cheating, and lying without proof that is iron clad. Time to put up…..Mr. Commissioner! You Goddell slurpers would want nothing less if it were your team being accused.

  15. sdisme says: May 8, 2012 1:03 AM

    Problem is PFP and Bounties are the same thing to the NFL*. So they can interchange the terms as they need to help spin the story. The rule reads:

    Bounty Rule and Non-Contract Bonuses
    •Players cannot offer a bonus to teammates for their performance against a particular team or a particular opposing player or players.
    •Players cannot create “bonus” pools for special teams’ performance.
    •Players cannot offer or share playoff game compensation with teammates.
    •Players cannot make cash or non-cash awards to teammates for outstanding performances or achievements.
    •Violators may be subject to disciplinary action for conduct detrimental to the National Football League.
    •Gifts to teammates are permissible after the conclusion of the club’s playing season, provided that no offer, promise, or announcement of such a gift was made during the club’s playing season.

  16. treesloth16 says: May 8, 2012 1:19 AM

    Goodell is quickly making the NFL another joke league, like baseball and basketball. He needs to go.

  17. sasattack says: May 8, 2012 1:20 AM

    Vitt=Twit

  18. ezg1 says: May 8, 2012 1:21 AM

    Drugs, Cheating, Lying, Appears that the Saints are reinventing their past persona!

  19. rabbdogg says: May 8, 2012 1:23 AM

    godell is lying and now everybody is starting to see that…and to the idiot 1st poster..hargrove never said anybody tolf him to lie..yahoo sports said that…vitt is only reconfirming that…IDIOT!

  20. mrmarcus55 says: May 8, 2012 1:36 AM

    Drew brees requires a explaination.

  21. backstageatapuppetshow says: May 8, 2012 1:43 AM

    Time for lifetime bans…these coaches don’t deserve to have these careers….

  22. effedinLA says: May 8, 2012 1:49 AM

    Somebody is lying. I think it’s everyone!

  23. drunkwino says: May 8, 2012 2:04 AM

    It’s hilarious how the point is flying over so many peoples heads. The real thing doesn’t even have that much to do with the Saints anymore.

    What the Saints front office, coaches, and maybe players have admitted to is a pay for big plays system. Illegal according to NFL rules and so it’s totally right for them to he punished. The punishments laid down are pretty extreme and you could argue unfair but that doesn’t matter. It doesn’t matter because the rule was broken and Goodell can punish as he seems fit.

    The point on the other hand, is whether or not Goodell and the NFL has themselves been lying about their ALLEGED pay for injury evidence and accusations. There’s a fairly big difference in paying a guy for making a pic-6, and

  24. drunkwino says: May 8, 2012 2:09 AM

    …trying to injury a player.

    The NFL has been playing up the assumption people have that this was pay for injuries. Which might make for some compelling evidence in the 1600+ lawsuits from former players saying the NFL knowingly ignored concussion related injury effects. Makes good evidence that the NFL keeps the safest work environment it can.

    Point is, is Goodell and the NFL lying about the extent of this whole thing to dodge lawsuits.

    …and that is a bit more disgusting than a pay for plays system to me.

  25. sfsaintsfan says: May 8, 2012 2:24 AM

    “The league says that money was paid for “cart-offs” and “knockouts,” but the league has yet to identify a single cent contributed or paid for a “cart-off” or a “knockout” caused by the Saints in 2009, 2010, and/or 2011.

    If it happened, why not disclose the proof of it? If it didn’t, why isn’t this simply being characterized as an illegal pay-for-performance program?”

    *********************

    Because there is no “proof” as evidenced by ZERO “cart-offs” or “knock-outs” by the Saints Defense due to illegal hits over a three year period. ZERO

    If they had wanted to hurt somebody, they would have hurt somebody. It was ALL talk and NO action.

    This whole thing is about Goodell issuing a little “payback” to the Saints over the Vicodin fiasco and the 1,000 plus concussion lawsuits. Plain and simple.

    Goodell is as “Good” as Done!

  26. supert1978 says: May 8, 2012 2:24 AM

    Of course the NFL doesn’t want the media anymore involved than they already are. The more details that are released of this thing, the worse it makes the NFL look. I wish they would release the details to shut up all the naysayer Saint fans.

  27. clownsfan says: May 8, 2012 2:34 AM

    Of course he does.

  28. daknight93 says: May 8, 2012 2:59 AM

    and the soap opera continues….no normal offseason for Saints…Thank You Goodell for creating so much drama in the media

  29. neovenator250 says: May 8, 2012 3:24 AM

    Yet another hole in the NFL’s attempt to make this a black and white issue. Thanks for being the one person in the media who has the sense to look at both sides and see that there’s some gray here, Florio

  30. mistermayhem7 says: May 8, 2012 4:42 AM

    Of course he denies it….

  31. pftree says: May 8, 2012 5:38 AM

    What does Hargrove gain by lying here? What does Vitt stand to gain?

    We all know he was in on it. They tried to cover up, then went full on public once someone leaked. However, it’s not what you know, it’s what you can prove. Vitt will deny, smile while polishing that ring and serve his six game suspension. Gregg Williams will meet with Goodell after his year suspension and ultimately will be back “a changed man”.

    If you have money, or know the back-doors of bureaucracy, you can get away with anything.

    The system is flawed.

  32. sudz28 says: May 8, 2012 5:59 AM

    I’m sure it’s all that Goodell just woke up one morning bored, and decided to randomly pick on some team for some completely made up issue. It’s not like he doesn’t have anything better to do.

  33. mdd913 says: May 8, 2012 6:11 AM

    paulitik74 says: May 8, 2012 12:27 AM

    The NFL is just making it all up. Everyone knows that they hate small market, Super Bowl hosting cities with redemptive stories of overcoming natural disasters.

    —————————————————————–

    That’s a BS strawman argument and you know it. Saints fans have never claimed there is a vast conspiracy against the team. They simply have always understood that something doesn’t quite add up with all the NFL’s claims in this case. Now the national media is finally beginning to catch up to what we have seen all along.

  34. tropicpurple says: May 8, 2012 6:29 AM

    “If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it.” ~Joseph Goebbels

  35. imperialwinter says: May 8, 2012 6:41 AM

    Of course he does, water is wet.

  36. southcakpanther says: May 8, 2012 6:47 AM

    And why should I believe Vitt? That entire Saints* organization is filled with liars. Even the head coach was stealing Vicodin prior to his bounty lies. Pathetic.

  37. bryans49ers says: May 8, 2012 7:12 AM

    I think its well over due that Saints ownership gut their team of all coaches who are involved in this carp, including the gm. This mess has strongly damaged the credibility of the Saints and it seems to be getting worse. Saints fans deserve better than this

  38. catman72 says: May 8, 2012 7:26 AM

    He does? wow, what a shock!

    A liar lying about telling someone else to lie, how could this be?

  39. tv426 says: May 8, 2012 7:32 AM

    The lack of “proof” is right on the game tapes. The only person “carted off” during the 3 years being investigated was a Saint – Reggie Bush when he broke his leg against the 49ers. That is IT!!

    If the Saints were doing what the league contends, then there would be evidence in the game tapes, illegal hits, late hits, etc.

    None of that exists!

    As to the people citing that Williams admitted to all this, they should see the recent report that the NFL “altered” his statement(s).

  40. legacybroken says: May 8, 2012 7:34 AM

    Aints fans are unbelievable. Your team were scumbags that operated a bounty pool to injure players and lied about to the league about it and you have the audacity to play the victim.

  41. melikefootball says: May 8, 2012 7:36 AM

    Each day the Darlings of the South are looking more and more not as SAINTS.

  42. chrisritch93 says: May 8, 2012 7:52 AM

    Both sides need to man up and lay their cards on the table.

  43. jc1958cool says: May 8, 2012 8:02 AM

    make up a lie to cover thee other one, what a clown!!

  44. paperlions says: May 8, 2012 8:02 AM

    The think that irritates me about “the NFL mis-represented statements” stories (which is poor form, I admit), is that those stories ignore the fact that everyone in the Saints organization has been lying to them for years about this.

    Similarly, saying that a declaration didn’t state the existence of a bounty program or that the player wasn’t told to lie to silly. If you tell someone to “play dumb” you are telling them to lie. If the lie you suggest is to say that a bounty program doesn’t exist, then by definition it does or there is nothing to lie (play dumb) about.

    I am having a hard time being sympathetic to players (even those targeted for injury) when the players themselves don’t seem to care that much if other players try to purposefully hurt them.

  45. kungfubillysims says: May 8, 2012 8:08 AM

    In doing so he just lied again

  46. maddog111 says: May 8, 2012 8:15 AM

    Saints players got completely screwed over by their coaches. You know damn well they told them not to say anything. As big a prick as he may be, at least Gregg Williams has taken resposibility for his actions. Vitt and Payton coming off as complete A-holes. They put these players in a tough spot.

  47. dirtierwater says: May 8, 2012 8:24 AM

    “These guys are so confused that they’re now lying about how they originally lied about the lies they told”

    Perfectly awesome.

  48. dexterismyhero says: May 8, 2012 8:42 AM

    @jason1980 says:May 8, 2012 1:02 AM

    You Goddell slurpers will hear what you want to here and nothing else. Luckily, sane minds are asking questions, and the commissioner is between a rock and hard place. If he doesn’t show his evidence, his credibility is DEAD! You don’t accuse a franchise of cheating, and lying without proof that is iron clad. Time to put up…..Mr. Commissioner! You Goddell slurpers would want nothing less if it were your team being accused.
    ==================================
    You sound like a Steelers fan. Your team admitted what happened. Go F yourself Slurper.

  49. truthhurtstoo says: May 8, 2012 8:45 AM

    the Aint’s were just very poor in excuting the “cart off” type of hits, though they tried… They tried but they couldn’t do it…

  50. seahulk9 says: May 8, 2012 8:49 AM

    the saints organization is really really really really making themselves look terrible by denying that the bounties existed. they remind of my 6 and 9 year old who despite mounds of evidence consistently deny deny deny

  51. saints25 says: May 8, 2012 8:54 AM

    @legacybroken,<<<<Saints fans arent playing victims,We watched every game the Saints have played the last 3yrs…..If This is all about word of mouth then IMO,This Proves nothing.

    1.Not 1 cart off…

    2.the 49er's games Saints didnt have any penalties.

    3.Saints will win the NFC SOUTH in 2012 again…

  52. klunge says: May 8, 2012 8:55 AM

    pftree says:
    May 8, 2012 5:38 AM
    What does Hargrove gain by lying here? What does Vitt stand to gain?
    ————————————————-

    I don’t know which one is really the bigger liar, but Hargrove stands to gain alot more in this case. Since he’s currently appealing his suspension he needs to have a scapegoat (Vitt), which in this instance is a team authority figure who he can claim “ordered” him to engage in the program and then lie about it. He can claim he obeyed out of fear for his job and hope his suspension is reduced or eliminated. Don’t know (or care) if it’s true, but just saying Hargrove can only benefit from finger-pointing at management.

  53. ejmat2 says: May 8, 2012 8:56 AM

    maddog111 says:
    May 8, 2012 8:15 AM
    Saints players got completely screwed over by their coaches. You know damn well they told them not to say anything. As big a prick as he may be, at least Gregg Williams has taken resposibility for his actions. Vitt and Payton coming off as complete A-holes. They put these players in a tough spot.
    —————————————–
    Couldn’t agree with you more. The bottom line is it did happen. The front office admitted to it. As much as I was for the players being punished hard for what they did I think the coaching staff screwed them by saying the things they did.

  54. whoisthatteam says: May 8, 2012 9:01 AM

    The declaration was signed AFTER the coaches were suspended so there must be more evidence that GODell and the NFL* used to justify the coach suspensions? RIght? RIGHT?

  55. seahulk9 says: May 8, 2012 9:12 AM

    the saints screwed their players and all their fans with all this nonsense. way to go peyton and loomis

  56. seahulk9 says: May 8, 2012 9:17 AM

    maybe u guys will post my comments by tomorrow when its less relevant. .wtf?? bleacher report posts them much much faster. it cant possibly take an hour to post.

  57. sdisme says: May 8, 2012 9:24 AM

    “dirtierwater says: May 8, 2012 8:24 AM

    “These guys are so confused that they’re now lying about how they originally lied about the lies they told”

    Perfectly awesome.”

    ———————————-

    And hiring Mary Jo White to back up the lie. That took all of 1 day for her to perjure herself.

    To quote MJW – “It does acknowledge existence of the program, his participation in it and that he lied to the NFL investigators in 2010.”

  58. beastup22 says: May 8, 2012 9:29 AM

    How about Goodell just releases his evidence and get it over with. Why is this like pulling teeth, just release it already. Until he does Im with James Harrison, Goodell is a crook and liar.

  59. shrike3000 says: May 8, 2012 9:35 AM

    Saints fans just want the truth. Do most of us believe that Goodell just woke up one morning and decided to start attacking us? No. We know the Saints did something. Specifically the coaches have admitted to certain things (Pay for performance, saying words that were out of line, etc.) The Saints may have even had a “bounty” on Favre for one game as a motivational tactic, frankly it’s the only game you can watch that looks questionable. Saints fans problem is the public attack Goodell has made against the franchise is based on half truths, which makes it all very believable. Whatever happened the truth needs to come out so the Saints are punished for that and only that.

  60. xxsweepthelegxx says: May 8, 2012 9:45 AM

    For all the “show me the proof of the cart offs” etc…If you hire a hit man to kill your wife, and he fails, gets caught. Are you somehow NOT guilty because nothing ever happened? I understand this is a drastic scnario, but point being the same.
    You have the defensive coordinator in Williams, who ran the whole thing admitting such. That is all the proof you need. You can argue all you want about the punishment being too severe, it does no good.
    I’m a Pats fan, I sorta know what y’all are going through. “You can tape from right here…but 10 feet over there you cant.” The “everybody does it argument, etc” Been there done that. Until retired coaches/players admit things it will never go away…its sad.

  61. infectorman says: May 8, 2012 9:51 AM

    “We had a pot for big plays, the same thing everyone else in the league has, now they call them pay-for-performance. But we never paid for dirty hits,”

    ****************
    The Aints ARE IN TROUBLE!!!!
    This dude Ain’t Head Coaching material.
    Doesn’t he know that you cannot say “everyone else is doin’ it”!!!!

    My God, he needs take the “Hater-101″ course I offer on my website:
    “How to be just like BOZO-the-4th-Grader-and propagate speculative Hate and UN-provable Deeply-Biased assertions everywhere you type”
    Only $19.95 for the 1st Trimester. We accept all major Credit Cards…

    Sorry, Joe. Good thing for Nola, you’re only the interim HC…or is that interim, interim.
    so confusing!

  62. tackledummy1505 says: May 8, 2012 9:55 AM

    Eagles fan here, don’t care about a pay for performance collection or a bounty program. Are you telling me that the Saints had that many illegal hits? Lol what a joke, but sorry Saints fans your team is being used right now to try and mask what the NFL has done wrong. That’s with hold information on concussions and the severity of them long term. Watch a show where poor Jamal Lewis forgot who he was talking to or about and started to tear up. Now the NFL releases this. The league is becoming a joke. Really all sports are. The leagues are taking over and dictating more than usual anymore. The fun in sports might all but die out.

  63. xinellum says: May 8, 2012 10:01 AM

    Nobody ever gets in trouble for saying they didn’t do anything wrong even if it is a lie. If you admit it your automatically guilty. There is no punishment for lying and trying to manipulate the facts and then getting busted only on those things that they can absolutely prove. So the reward goes to those that stay out of trouble even if it means lying because those that confess are immediately punished to the fullest extent.

  64. daknight93 says: May 8, 2012 10:05 AM

    can’t use new cba rules on possible infractions which occured during old cba…prior to aug.4, 2011

  65. dannyabramowitz says: May 8, 2012 10:16 AM

    I am so tired of the Goodell slurpers saying “everyone knows” the Saints operated a bounty system. NO, EVERYONE DOES NOT KNOW. These has been absolutely NO EVIDENCE presented of a bounty sytem (pay for injury) system, just a “pay for performance” system, which several teams used.

    How would you like to be thrown in jail because “everyone knows” you’re a child molester? Last time I checked, that doesn’t fly in America.

    Aren’t you curious as to why Goodell has not released the evidence. Why he felt compelled to hire a lawyer to review the alleged evidence. Why the lead investigator resigned. Why Goodell altered Williams’ statement and misrepresented Hargrove’s declaration. Something is not right here.

    Further, to those who say the Saints must be guilty because Goodell would not have made this up, how naive can you be? Goodell is facing concussion lawsuits and pushing for an 18-game season. He can point to his actions against the Saints alleged bounty program to bolster his position on both fronts. Again, the argument that “why would Goodell have done this” is NOT evidence and cannot be the basis for staining player’s reputations and ruining their careers.

    Let’s see the evidence Roger.

  66. whoisthatteam says: May 8, 2012 10:23 AM

    seahulk9 says:
    May 8, 2012 9:12 AM
    the saints screwed their players and all their fans with all this nonsense. way to go peyton and loomis
    —————
    seahulk9 says:
    May 8, 2012 9:17 AM
    maybe u guys will post my comments by tomorrow when its less relevant. .wtf?? bleacher report posts them much much faster. it cant possibly take an hour to post.
    ********************************************

    Lol at you thinking what you said is relevant.

  67. ningenito78 says: May 8, 2012 10:40 AM

    xxsweepthelegxx- worst analogy ever.
    Bottom line is what I said earlier- Roger Goodell is trying to get out in front of the concussion lawsuits. How many ex-players and players on other teams have to come out and say what the Saints did is not unusual? The Gregg Williams audio was used to drive home a point about the ‘bounty’ charge. While what Williams said on those tapes is disgusting and deplorable, he never mentioned a bounty. The NFL used the tape as an illusion to prove the bounty system existed when there really is no connection. All the tapes proved is Williams is a lunatic but the NFL, in all their propagandist beauty, managed to use the tapes to drag idiots to a conclusion about the existence of a bounty system. Take that fake ‘evidence’ out of the mix and the public has seen no proof of TEAM WIDE infractions. I’ll say this- minus the idiot fanboys of teams that are trying to jump the Saints, the tide is starting to turn away from a Witch Hunt. Goodell’s insistence to not show proof is starting to look curious to say the least.

  68. booker1974 says: May 8, 2012 10:51 AM

    Just a reminder for the thick headed commenters: Williams, nor any coach, has ever admitted to putting bounties on other players. Williams’ confession admitted a “pay for performance” system. Payton and Loomis did not admit bounties (quite the opposite), but merely accepted responsibility for what ever happened on their watch.

    People need to think a little bit. If the Saints were truly doing what they are accused of, don’t you think at least one person involved in the organization over those years would have come forward, publicly, to state he was shocked and outraged at what he saw going on? You honestly believe they could carry on a three year pay to injure program and not one single player would come forward, especially after the story was broken, to confirm the allegations and condemn the organization?

  69. seahulk9 says: May 8, 2012 11:05 AM

    N.O. fans you are the victims of your beloved saints not goddell. the saints screwed up and its time to admit it

  70. dzor22 says: May 8, 2012 11:11 AM

    all of you bashing Goodell? I guess you would like a ship not run as tightly…like say major league baseball or the NBA! No thank you!
    ps- I wish the Saintts would be intact when we take the NFC South away from them again this year. Go Falcons!

  71. dmatt777 says: May 8, 2012 11:13 AM

    Wow…What’s really interesting is: IF they operated a bounty for 3 count em’…1 2 3 years and had NOT ONE CART OFF,COUNT EM’,NOT 1
    WHAT DOES that tell you blithering idiots? For once folks Think for yourselves.

  72. nawlinslady1970 says: May 8, 2012 11:37 AM

    If Vitt is wrong then there would be evidence on game film, but the league can’t seem to produce any visual proof. All they have is over exaggerated and misrepresented statements yet no real proof.

  73. xxsweepthelegxx says: May 8, 2012 11:46 AM

    @ ningenito78 says:
    I wouldn’t say “worst analogy ever.” The point is the same. I assume by your comments that you think Spygate was a crock of $h!t too then right? I agree with some points you make, but bottom line is, even pay for play systems are illegal (though I dont think Saints are alone..at all), they lied about it…they lied about it again…..and then Goddell came down hard on them. Payton, like Belichick, thought they were untouchables and Goddell made an example of both, like it not.

  74. timentideblog says: May 8, 2012 12:03 PM

    YoYo /floorio, Ive seen NO evidence, the only thing ive seen is you writting what the league is telling you(sources,,sorry). No phiscal evidence, none, nadda, zip, dry squirt,,,nothing. I believe PFT is in Goodells right side ass pocket,,,er,,,back pocket. So far its he said, she said.
    There may not be any hard evidence?
    Wheres the beef dude?

  75. ningenito78 says: May 8, 2012 5:21 PM

    Understanding people stopped posting on this article hours ago, there’s a big difference between this an ‘Spygate’. The NFL actively went out of their way to bury Spygate (like literally destroying the tapes that allegedly showed the Pats taping practices). In fact, the reaction to this bounty stuff is the exact opposite.

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