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Hargrove says NFL “grossly mischaracterized” his words

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When the declaration of former Saints defensive end Anthony Hargrove was published on Monday, many in the media (including ESPN) interpreted it to mean that Hargrove had been told to lie by Saints coaches.

Though that may be a fair interpretation of his words, he never said that he was told to lie.  And now he’s sounding off about the NFL’s decision to characterize his words as evidence of the existence of a bounty program — and as proof that he lied about it to investigators in 2010.

“I’m disappointed that ‘the Declaration’ was leaked,” Hargrove told ESPN.  “The intent of ‘the Declaration’ was to let the NFL know exactly what happened in March of 2010.  Call me naive, but I did not expect them to publicize the fact that I had sent them ‘the Declaration.’  But since they did, and because they grossly mischaracterized my words, it obviously became a hot item and subsequently was leaked by someone.

“I do not know who leaked it, but I would have preferred for it to remain private between the NFL and me.”

The NFL first mentioned the Hargrove declaration in the statement announcing the suspensions of four players, explaining that it “established not only the existence of the program with the Saints, but also that he knew about and participated in it.”  The next day, NFL “independent” counsel Mary Jo White said that the “thrust” of the declaration was Hargrove’s acknowledgment of “the nature of the program and his participation in it.”

The land rush for Hargrove’s declaration didn’t begin, however, until we reported that the letter from Commissioner Roger Goodell to Hargrove informing Hargrove of the suspension explained that the declaration was submitted by the NFLPA, not harvested by the NFL.  That letter was attached by the NFLPA to one of the grievances filed in connection with the effort to steer the appeal process away from Commissioner Roger Goodell.  Once that information became known, it became imperative to learn what the Hargrove declaration did — and didn’t — say.

Unfortunately, Hargrove’s statement to ESPN doesn’t clear up the question of whether it’s fair to infer that he lied when he was interviewed by the NFL in 2010, given that he claims he was told what to say by former Saints defensive coordinator Gregg Williams and current Saints assistant head coach/linebackers coach Joe Vitt.  On March 8, however, Hargrove issued a statement in which he seemed to deny that his hit on Vikings quarterback Brett Favre in the 2009 NFC title game was motivated by a bounty:  “I have made many mistakes in my life and have paid dearly for some of them, and the late hit and the comments were both mistakes, in my opinion.  But players all over the league do the same thing every Sunday, make late hits and say stupid things.  But I can say with absolute certainty that neither the late hit nor the comment have anything whatsoever to do with the issue being so hotly discussed in the media.”

Moreover, to the extent that Hargrove claims that the declaration was submitted to assist the NFL’s investigation, the fact that it was signed on April 13, 2012 — after the appeals of the discipline imposed on Vitt, coach Sean Payton, G.M. Mickey Loomis, and the Saints were resolved — makes it useless as to the discipline imposed on the non-players.

The truth possibly is that Hargrove and/or the NFLPA believed that the contents of his declaration would serve to exonerate Hargrove for any and all responsibility, since when interviewed by the NFL he was merely doing what he had been told to do.  If that was the goal, it to date has backfired, prompting the NFL to conclude — rightly or wrongly — that Hargrove has admitted to the existence of the bounty program and that he lied to NFL Security when questioned about it.

Even if he never said that.

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37 Responses to “Hargrove says NFL “grossly mischaracterized” his words”
  1. melikefootball says: May 9, 2012 6:18 PM

    Maybe these players involved would be better off not saying anything. Everytime they come back with I did not say or mean what I said. Can’t these guys keep anything straight. Own up take your punishment and move on.

  2. goodolebaghead says: May 9, 2012 6:22 PM

    If Roger had a hand to play, he’d have done it by now. NFL has nothing.

  3. caliangel08 says: May 9, 2012 6:26 PM

    Maybe the league should just provide evidence …

    Take a lot of guessing out of the whole thing …..

  4. jealst says: May 9, 2012 6:31 PM

    The NFL critized New Orleans for “lying”, “obstructing evidence” and being “untruthful” but now that the NFLPA, lawyers and players are on the attack they’re (the NFL) is doing the same thing.

  5. evangelcomes says: May 9, 2012 6:50 PM

    Clearly these persons have zero integrity, of course some will call my declaration judgmental, as it is, and is intended to be. Integrity is not about how you behave in front of people, for which many come to the defense of these clowns, integrity is what happens when noones looking. Everyone involved should quit! Cris Carter included! Disgusting

  6. bozosforall says: May 9, 2012 7:01 PM

    So, is Hargrove the “snitch”?

  7. bigsexy410 says: May 9, 2012 7:21 PM

    If there was no bounty system, Williams and Vitt shouldn’t have had to call Hargrove in during the offseason to tell him to “play dumb” or say there was no bounty system.

  8. ernie ernie says: May 9, 2012 7:26 PM

    Look its obvious Hargrove thought that if he squealed and told the truth his suspension or punishment would be lite.
    Now that the NFLPA has leaded his testamony, Hargrove knows that everyone else is aware of who squealed on the other players and coaches and who is the one responsible for all the suspentions.
    He now wants us to believe the NFL twisted his words and made a liar out of him and made this all up. What a puss.

  9. amoses74 says: May 9, 2012 7:30 PM

    So let me get this straight……. NFLPA, players, and some fans are DEMANDING evidence, so when someone in the NFL releases a statement made by one of the players involved all of a sudden it should have been kept private between him and the NFL???????? Im confused. You either want the evidence or you dont want the evidence. MAKE UP YOUR MINDS!!!!!

  10. gtodriver says: May 9, 2012 9:02 PM

    The majority of the folks reading and clicking on this posting must be frustrated Saints fans.

    Why else would there be so many thumbs down on comments that make perfectly good sense and thumbs up on the comments that make no sense???

    C’mon folks – be honest. These players got off light – just like the coaches and the GM.

  11. acetw says: May 9, 2012 9:06 PM

    @amoses74 – What in the world are you blabbering about? Can you read at all? Do you have an ounce of reading comprehension in you?
    “NFLPA, players, and some fans are DEMANDING evidence,”

    -Correct

    “so when someone in the NFL releases a statement made by one of the players involved all of a sudden it should have been kept private between him and the NFL????????”

    -Hargrove has not demanded anything. He presented a document to the NFL that he thought would be privately held, same as pretty much anyone would.

    “Im confused.”

    -Obviously

    “You either want the evidence or you dont want the evidence. MAKE UP YOUR MINDS!!!!!”

    -Everyone wants to see the evidence (or lack thereof), that hasn’t changed for anyone. OUR minds are made up, perhaps you should make up yours. What people are growing tired of is the NFL releasing their ‘take’ on whatever it is they have and pushing their agenda down our throats with it. Make no mistake, the NFL is grasping at whatever straw they believe is in front of them in a desperate attempt to make something big out of this. With each passing leak, their case grows weaker and weaker and the public opinion they’ve tried so hard (by lying and mis-characterizing) to turn in their favor (worked very well with the weak minded) is quickly turning against them.
    Seriously, when you’ve got Mike Florio appearing to be on the side of the Saints, you know something BIG is happening….

  12. silentcount says: May 9, 2012 9:11 PM

    This is exactly the kind of soap opera garbage that Goodell caused by throwing a flag on something from 3 years ago based on rumors and exagerations. Instead, he should just rely on the judge & punish system that’s always been in place — Officials on the field watching your every move. For an illegal hit, your team gets punished right there on the field. Fans & players accept that, because the evidence can be played back on TV over and over. Anything other than that is about as fair as a lynch mob.

  13. vtopa says: May 9, 2012 9:33 PM

    I LOVE IT!!! For weeks and weeks we have heard nothing from people but how they take the NFL at their word (and that includes you too Florio). Now everyone (including Florio) wants to see the evidence. That is so rich! After Brees said he wanted an explanation, people on this board made FUN OF HIM. Now, everyone is starting to see the light. They (including PFT) are starting to stop and say, “Wait a minute! WHERE’S the evidence?”

    The NFL was hoping that the players would roll over like the coaches. Well guess what? Unlike the coaches, the players have a UNION. And although it did a lousy job negotiating player’s rights in the CBA it does have the power to tell Uncle Rodger to get his act straight and PROVIDE THE EVIDENCE.

    This Hargrove thing is a perfect example of the NFL garbage. Throw out a vague statement about what a player said with the NFL’s spin on it and expect the stupid masses to eat it up. Well Uncle Rodger, we’ve had the meal you’ve been serving up and some of us finally realized it tastes like total dookie. This whole thing has been about the NFL prepping itself for the MOTHER of all lawsuits. The Saints have had to be their scapegoats. PERIOD. Now the NFL and uncle Rodger can deal with a whole new slate of lawsuit from the players who know they are getting the shaft. LAWYER UP!

  14. gtodriver says: May 9, 2012 9:45 PM

    “This is exactly the kind of soap opera garbage that Goodell caused by throwing a flag on something from 3 years ago based on rumors and exagerations.”

    Ummm….

    The flagrant use of a bounty system was still active in 2012…

    It was the continuation of the bounty program right into the most recent playoffs while players and management were all denying the existance of the bounty program that got them in trouble.

    If they had admitted back in 2010 what they had done and quit doing it, there would have been much lesser penalties. Three years of lying is what got them in big trouble with the NFL – and rightfully so.

  15. mancave001 says: May 9, 2012 9:47 PM

    I’m an educated man, but after reading this, all I can say is “HUH?”

  16. acetw says: May 9, 2012 9:56 PM

    @gtodriver – Can you cite one single thing that proves what you just wrote, or are you simply parroting the things you wanted to hear when the nfl starting spoon feeding it to you?

  17. drunkwino says: May 9, 2012 10:27 PM

    The majority of the folks reading and clicking on this posting must be frustrated Saints fans.

    Why else would there be so many thumbs down on comments that make perfectly good sense and thumbs up on the comments that make no sense???

    C’mon folks – be honest. These players got off light –just like the coaches and the GM.
    ____________________________________

    Your agreement disagreement with an idea is not a qualification for it to be a sensable one. The fact is more and more NFL fans that aren’t Saints fans believe the Goodell is wrong in how he’s handled this matter. So sorry, but surprise! You are not the center of the world.

    If this was a pay for plays, then they didn’t get off light. They got shafted. Problem is, that’s the only thing the NFL presented a reasonable case for, pay for performance. There is not a single scrap of evidence, besides Goodell said so, that there was any pay for injuries. Do you understand that there’s a massive gulf of difference in performance and injury? Both are punishable offences, but you’d have to be insane to think they warrent the same punishments. Sorry you can’t deal with people having different opinions than you do.

  18. jpspear says: May 9, 2012 10:29 PM

    I don’t know how “I can say with absolute certainty that neither the late hit nor the comment have anything whatsoever to do with the issue being so hotly discussed in the media.” can be construed to mean “he seemed to deny that his hit on Vikings quarterback Brett Favre in the 2009 NFC title game was motivated by a bounty”. “Seemed” to deny? Goodell “seemed” to have overwhelming evidence. Hargrove outright denied it.

  19. cwwgk says: May 9, 2012 10:36 PM

    Would still love to read an actual citation from the COLLECTIVE BARGAINING AGREEMENT as to what the NFL is required to turn over at this juncture. That’s what governs, not what I , PFT or anyone else may want.

    These allegations of a Goodell witchunt are so reminiscent of Ken Starr.

  20. smirk11 says: May 9, 2012 11:02 PM

    Evidence?

  21. larryjames836 says: May 9, 2012 11:04 PM

    Hargrove where did you grow up take a look at yourself and when you find yourself you will know not to talk nor trust anyone who has put your name in the public. The media dont care about you for them its all about a story of you on the front page. When are you guys going to wake-up the NFL trying to throw you guys away Roger Goodell and the media are working hand and hand to pull you guys under. Stop talking to the media maybe you might be trying to help Goodell pull the Saints down thinking he will cut you deal. Hargrove now take a look at Roger Goodell and think back to Goodell he looks at you like he look at Sean Payton and the others. Roger Goodell is a NFL boy trying to get a raise and a bonus all of his fans that’s right he has big time fans. So Hargrove get with the program if you going to ride with the players it doesn’t matter what team you play with when your team hurt you hurt.

  22. rexismybff says: May 9, 2012 11:21 PM

    Neck tattoos are SO cool. All the wannabe-gang-bangers in my city have them. They look great when your pants are hanging down under your butt, and your way-oversized Jordan sneakers have the laces untied.

    So fresh.

    My suggestion Hargrove? During your suspension, get yourself a mural neck-and-face-tattoo, depicting the entire NFLPA rising up as one to overthrow the evil empire of Godell.

    That would be cool.

  23. skolvikesskol says: May 9, 2012 11:22 PM

    DUMBEST POST EVER:

    If Roger had a hand to play, he’d have done it by now. NFL has nothing.
    —————————
    Let’s see… a whistleblower, signed statements, caught coaches in lies and then the confessed, an audio tape from inside the locker room, audio tape on the field, witnesses… etc.

    Not only did he have everything, he has all the power to punish, which he did, listen to an appeal, which is laughable, but will happen, then deny the appeal and watch the suspensions play out…

    Pretty sure Roger has every card in the deck and then some…

  24. saintsfan26 says: May 9, 2012 11:22 PM

    Prove it.

  25. judsonjr says: May 9, 2012 11:30 PM

    Roger has has probably already destroyed the evidence “for the good of the game”.

  26. gerttownmomo says: May 10, 2012 12:47 AM

    boy, most you clowns are illiterate. do you not see what the nfl has done here? blaming hargrove for saying ‘that’s not what i said!’ is the ultimate in sheeple homerism. have you read the declaration before spewing bs? go read it, it’s all over yahoo sports. go read it. then come back and read this statement by the nfl: ‘Hargrove actively participated in the program while a member of the Saints. Hargrove submitted a signed declaration to the league that established not only the existence of the program at the Saints, but also that he knew about and participated in it. The evidence showed that Hargrove told at least one player on another team that Vikings quarterback Brett Favre was a target of a large bounty during the NFC Championship Game in January of 2010. Hargrove also actively obstructed the league’s 2010 investigation into the program by being untruthful to investigators.’ — now do you see ANY of those admissions in his declaration? he said what he said. it just wasn’t what the nfl said he said.

  27. ilovefoolsball says: May 10, 2012 1:49 AM

    It still amazes me how many people blindly believe something just because the NFL said so.
    It reminds me of those who blindly support dictators even when he’s throwing innocent people in jail. Nobody cares until it happens to your family, then all of a sudden you’re the biggest protestor in the world.
    I know because I was the same way. I thought Goodell was a good man who had good intentions and brought the hammer down swiftly and justly.
    Then this Saints stuff started happening and at first I still believed in the legitimacy of the NFL’s claims because it’s been such a great organization for so many years.
    However now too many things are not adding up.
    Many people point to the coaches confessions without fully acknowledging that they’re “corporate” and the players are “employees”.
    Nowhere can I find anyone admitting to any kind of payment system for injuring opponents.
    Every single mention of that specific item, and it’s a big item, comes from the league office.
    If the players and coaches did really intentionally do this then the NFL must have some kind of hard proof.
    The problem is that they’re damaging their own reputation for years down the line because from now on people will be much more skeptical about any claims that the NFL will bring in the future if they do not show what evidence they have for such heavy penalties.

  28. pongonfl says: May 10, 2012 2:14 AM

    ban all for players for life.

  29. blondebombr says: May 10, 2012 4:17 AM

    The NFL is a business. It’s owned by 32 men.

    Roger Goodell is the CEO, hired by the 32 men. His powers and job description is written on paper in to contracts. The CBA and his own personal contract.

    He reports to the 32 owners. He represents them. If his oversteps his bounds or fails to do his job, they would fire him. Their continual silence to let him do what he’s doing speaks volumes.

    He is not a dictator. He is an employed man with a contract that has his own bosses. Just like you.

    His bosses think he’s doing a pretty darn good job.

    And for the record, he doesn’t have to turn over any evidence. Just like your boss doesn’t have to if he fires you. Now if you were unfairly dismissed and take him to court, that’s fine. The courts may demand to see the evidence, which is fine. Goodell can’t unfairly suspend / fire anyone illegally.

    My guess is the evidence they have has names attached to it that will open a whole new can of worms. My guess is that there’s a whole bunch of Hargrove’s out there.

    And Goodell and the NFL don’t have to reveal the evidence just because angry Saints fans, PFT or the NFLPA screams for it.

    My guess is if taken to court, and forced to reveal the documents, they will.

    BUT my guess is if that happens, the courts would seal the documents anyway, so we still wouldn’t find out. Anyone leaking them would be committing a federal offense.

  30. blondebombr says: May 10, 2012 4:21 AM

    @darkwino I disagree with your opinion (though I see where you’re coming from and I think you argue it quite well and rationally).

    Here’s my thing, you’ve taken the approach that you are yet to see the evidence, so hence-with it doesn’t exist.

    I believe it does.

    Neither of us is right. Neither of us is wrong.

    We don’t know.
    ;)

  31. gtodriver says: May 10, 2012 6:24 AM

    @acetw

    “@gtodriver – Can you cite one single thing that proves what you just wrote, or are you simply parroting the things you wanted to hear when the nfl starting spoon feeding it to you?”

    Can I cite one single thing that proves what I just wrote? Yes.

    The fact that Gregg Williams admitted that there was in fact a bounty system – and has accepted the most severe punishment without any appeal.

    You and the rest of your gang are parroting that you want to see “evidence” when you have no right to expect it.

    Just as Hargrove is complaining about his declaration being leaked, the other sources don’t want their names made public either.

    And they shouldn’t be.

    blondebombr has stated the situation quite eloquently. Even if this goes to court (which it shouldn’t) – the evidence will most likely remained sealed per court order to protect the innocent.

    Goodell is working hard to preserve the game of football. Reasonable people understand that.

  32. acetw says: May 10, 2012 7:13 AM

    @gtodriver – “The fact that Gregg Williams admitted that there was in fact a bounty system – and has accepted the most severe punishment without any appeal.”

    Gregg Williams did no such thing. He admitted to a “pay for performance” system which is far different than the “bounty” system everybody likes to mis-characterize it as.

    Care to try again?

  33. saintsfan26 says: May 10, 2012 7:54 AM

    @blondebomber, your description about Goodell’s job is flawless. I agree 100% with you about everything you said. The NFL is a private business and they really dont have to show the public the evidence or even the employee for that matter.

    BUT!

    The problem here is, the NFL themselves, have made this entire ordeal PUBLIC!! They have defamated the characters of 8 men in PUBLIC. They have slandered their name in PUBLIC. They have completely destroyed every single one of them in PUBLIC. And now the PUBLIC deserves to know the truth. Where is the proof? If no proof then where is the PUBLIC apology to re-establish the characters of 8 GOOD MEN? That is not the AMERICAN way. It is not the right way. SHOW THE PROOF.

  34. bigjdve says: May 10, 2012 9:48 AM

    Evidence – who needs to see evidence. We have heard from multiple players that was a pay for play system which violates both past and current CBAs, which could lead to IRS Audits as well as other charges (potentially). We have also heard from many players that “every” team has a bounty system.

    We have heard from multiple Saints players that there wasn’t a bounty system, just to come back to say later that every team has one. So at the very least these statements were lies.

    We have coaches that admitted to a bounty system (Gregg William’s tape), we also have coaches that have admitted to pay for play.

    Then we have a player sign a declaration that the NFLPA submitted with a grievance, that stated that a coach asked him to lie.

    The NFL knows that all or most of the teams have some sort of bounty system, however in one of the most flagrant abuses of this, the player who signed the declaration started the who thing by saying on National TV that someone needed to pay him his money after an illegal hit on a QB that had a bounty, that another player (Vilma stated he had offered 10k for, though he later said it was a joke) the NFL had to get involved and set an example.

    So what evidence do we have.

    1. Hargrove on TV stated – Pay me my money

    2. Players from the Saints locker-room stated that Vilma dropped 10k on the table for an injury to Favre.

    3. Vilma admitted to this though he said later that it was all a joke.

    4. Saints GM, HC, and DC all admitted to not being honest with Owner or NFL when it came to stopping a Pay for Play (Bounty) program.

    5. Player signing declaration stating that coach had asked him to lie about pay for play program.

    6. Audio tape of DC outlining directives in bounty program 2 years after it was supposed to be stopped.

    7. NFLPA pushing grievance for Hargrove, adding declaration to said grievance.

    Okay, while I haven’t seen to much that would signal out Will Smith or Scott Fujita, I think that there is enough for both Vilma and Hargrove.

    That declaration doesn’t say “Hey I participated” in those exact words but the coach telling him to lie means that 1. He knew about the program and 2. He had to have been part of it – as the coach knew he was going to be questioned.

    Everyone keeps forgetting that the coaches have already cooperated and corroborated the testimonies.

    The NFL now wants to limit damage to the players and in so doing themselves.

    Pay attention to what has been said, the evidence is all there from the player’s mouth’s.

  35. acetw says: May 10, 2012 9:53 AM

    @skolvikesskol -
    That was certainly the DUMBEST POST EVER…

    ——————————————————

    “a whistleblower” – ie Someone with a grudge who intentionally mis-characterized what was happening in the locker room.

    “signed statements” – That freely admit to a ‘pay for performance’ program, same as pretty much every other locker room in the NFL. There is not one single admission or confession regarding a ‘pay for injury’ program.

    “caught coaches in lies and then the confessed” – Really? What lies? The ones that Roger Goodell assumed were lies when he asked about a ‘bounty’ program and was told no, or the ones by Roger Goodell himself in the NFL’s press releases? As above, there have not been any ‘confessions’ to date for anything the NFL says the Saints did.

    “an audio tape from inside the locker room” – Yeah, standard DC speech with the exception of 3 or 4 words.. Please.

    “audio tape on the field” – This is becoming my favorite. What audio tape from the field? you must mean the one that Peter King reported as having some magical words on it that nobody but he could hear.

    “witnesses… etc.” – And once again you’re completely wrong. What witnesses? what ‘etc.’? You got nothing, nothing at all. Just like that farce of a team you follow.

  36. acetw says: May 10, 2012 12:27 PM

    @bigjdve – What’s REALLY funny about your post is that you get almost everything wrong, then decry “Pay attention to what has been said” when you obviously haven’t been.

  37. acetw says: May 10, 2012 5:13 PM

    @bigjdve

    “We have coaches that admitted to a bounty system (Gregg William’s tape), ”

    -No, we do not.

    “we also have coaches that have admitted to pay for play.”

    -We have lots of coaches and players who have admitted to this, more of whom do not work for the New Orleans Saints.

    “Then we have a player sign a declaration that the NFLPA submitted with a grievance, that stated that a coach asked him to lie.”

    -No, we do not.

    “The NFL knows that all or most of the teams have some sort of bounty system, however in one of the most flagrant abuses of this, the player who signed the declaration started the who thing by saying on National TV that someone needed to pay him his money after an illegal hit on a QB that had a bounty, that another player (Vilma stated he had offered 10k for, though he later said it was a joke) the NFL had to get involved and set an example.”

    - I have no idea where you came up with most of that nonsense. The only thing that has the slightest ring of truth to it is the first sentence up until the first comma.

    “So what evidence do we have.”

    -This oughta be good.

    “1. Hargrove on TV stated – Pay me my money”

    -Never happened. The only person to ever report on something like this was Peter King who apparently has magic ears because nobody else has heard anything of the sort.

    “2. Players from the Saints locker-room stated that Vilma dropped 10k on the table for an injury to Favre.”

    -What players? I haven’t heard anything yet about a player stating this.

    “3. Vilma admitted to this though he said later that it was all a joke.”

    - Vilma never admitted to this, nor did he ever refer to anything as a ‘joke’.

    “4. Saints GM, HC, and DC all admitted to not being honest with Owner or NFL when it came to stopping a Pay for Play (Bounty) program.”

    -Wrong again. Go re-read their statements on the matter.

    “5. Player signing declaration stating that coach had asked him to lie about pay for play program.”

    -Again, incorrect. It was never stated that a coach asked him to lie about anything.

    “6. Audio tape of DC outlining directives in bounty program 2 years after it was supposed to be stopped.”

    -What audio tape? What directives? What bounty program? You keep stating these things as if they’re fact but it seems as if you’ve quite literally made it all up yourself. Even the NFL would be ashamed to cite any of this garbage as their own.

    “7. NFLPA pushing grievance for Hargrove, adding declaration to said grievance.”

    - Where is it said that the NFLPA is pushing anything for Hargrove? He, and his case, has been the quietest of all of them until the NFL decided to leak what they thought was ‘damning evidence’.

    “Okay, while I haven’t seen to much that would signal out Will Smith or Scott Fujita, I think that there is enough for both Vilma and Hargrove.”

    -So far you’ve presented nothing true nor damning about either player.

    “That declaration doesn’t say “Hey I participated” in those exact words but the coach telling him to lie means that 1. He knew about the program and 2. He had to have been part of it – as the coach knew he was going to be questioned.”

    -Again, nowhere in the declaration does it say nor infer the coach told him to lie, only what to say. Do you know that he wouldn’t have said the same thing anyway if he hadn’t been coached to do so?
    At worst, it would appear as if the coaches thought he simply wasn’t too smart…

    “Everyone keeps forgetting that the coaches have already cooperated and corroborated the testimonies.”

    -And you forget that nothing has been ‘corroborated’, only accepted out of hand.

    “The NFL now wants to limit damage to the players and in so doing themselves.”

    -The NFL’s handling of this case has done them far more damage than anything they’ve accused the Saints of doing.

    “Pay attention to what has been said, the evidence is all there from the player’s mouth’s.”

    -I still think this is the funniest one of all…….

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