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Vikings stadium bill passes Senate

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The flip-flopping trend in the Minnesota Senate nearly continued.

According to Patrick Kessler of WCCO-TV, the Senate has passed the Vikings stadium bill by a vote of 38-28.

And, of course, one of the Senators asked the Senate to reconsider the vote.  It should be no surprise; the Senate changed its mind two prior times on Tuesday regarding amendments to the bill.  Why not go for three?

The Senate ultimately voted not to reconsider the vote passing the bill.  (It remains to be seen whether they vote on whether to reconsider the decision to not reconsider the vote on the bill.)

Barring any further changes, a Conference Committee will now attempt to resolve the House and Senate versions of the bill.  The biggest differences comes from an $80 million gap in the team’s funding obligation.  The House bill requires the Vikings to kick in $532 million; the Senate bill puts the number at $452 million.

There’s also a Senate requirement that no Vikings games played at the new stadium be blacked out locally.

Once a compromise is reached, the bill will return to both chambers for a final up-or-down vote.

And, in the Senate, it’s safe to say there will at least be one effort to reconsider whatever decision they make.

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124 Responses to “Vikings stadium bill passes Senate”
  1. lnfinite says: May 9, 2012 12:54 AM

    Let the trolls go back to hiding under their rocks. LA will have to look to grab another team because the Vikings will stay where they belong.

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  2. apooster says: May 9, 2012 12:54 AM

    These politicians are worthless. They should all be voted out. What a joke our government is.

  3. rcunningham says: May 9, 2012 12:55 AM

    SUCK ON THAT CARL!

  4. Frazier28/7 says: May 9, 2012 12:55 AM

    Build It! Build It! Git ‘Er Done.

  5. Justin says: May 9, 2012 12:56 AM

    Yes 2 down and now just the committee to finish this thing off. 10+ years in the making. Here is a screen shot of how the 38-28 votes went down http://wp.me/p1zWAl-1az

  6. textexington says: May 9, 2012 12:57 AM

    The Vikings have lost 4 Superbowls.LOLZ.

  7. alonestartexan says: May 9, 2012 12:57 AM

    I’m glad Minnesota will get to keep their Vikings !

  8. greatminnesotasportsmind says: May 9, 2012 12:58 AM

    One more vote to go!!! Get it done or this will be the biggest choke job since Billy Cundiff

  9. tanfarkenton says: May 9, 2012 1:00 AM

    This is great news…… Now we won’t have to worry about what to do with the Metrodump!

    That was my biggest concern if the Vikes left, cause we would have still been stuck with that place!

    Can’t wait for all the morons to start posting about how it’s not over yet……. in 3, 2, 1…..

  10. beelicker says: May 9, 2012 1:00 AM

    Are they out of their Viking minds??

  11. thankheavenfornumberseven says: May 9, 2012 1:02 AM

    These bills passed more easily than was generally thought, so it would be a big surprise if the final bill didn’t pass. It looks like this might actually happen. Get your cheap shots in while you still can, LA Vikings losers.

  12. ilovefoolsball says: May 9, 2012 1:03 AM

    Ooh goodie! Now the Cowboys won’t be the only pathetic team in a shiny new stadium!
    This new stadium is going to be a state of the art facility for other teams to enjoy their victories!
    SKOL EVERY OTHER TEAM!

  13. vikesfan67 says: May 9, 2012 1:05 AM

    Finally headed in the right direction!!! Maybe now we can start looking to the future as Viking fans!! Skol vikes!!!

  14. packhawk04 says: May 9, 2012 1:05 AM

    Another step, the hardest is yet to come.

  15. tjigger says: May 9, 2012 1:09 AM

    The black out requirement did not work in tampa. They tried that but it didn’t work.

    The NFL makes the call on blackouts

  16. desertviking64 says: May 9, 2012 1:14 AM

    GGGeeeerrrrrrbbbbbsssssccchhhmmmiidddddttttttttt

  17. lnfinite says: May 9, 2012 1:18 AM

    Funny, where are the trolls now????

  18. dtrb10 says: May 9, 2012 1:18 AM

    SKOL MY FRIENDS SKOL!!!!!

  19. dtrb10 says: May 9, 2012 1:20 AM

    Mike has done a great job keeping us updated! Thanks Florio keep up the good work.

    Vikings Fans!

  20. mattsg22 says: May 9, 2012 1:22 AM

    About time damn…

  21. skolvikesskol says: May 9, 2012 1:22 AM

    Done and done… Now for months of renegotiating…. And we build yet another 3rd rate facility in mn… Yay!

  22. gergie1957 says: May 9, 2012 1:22 AM

    “apooster says:
    May 9, 2012 12:54 AM
    These politicians are worthless. They should all be voted out. What a joke our government is.”

    Another Packer Fan who fears the Vikings.

  23. purpleguy says: May 9, 2012 1:24 AM

    Interestingly, the Senate version is closer to the memo agreement the Vikings, Mpls and the bill sponsors entered, and there were more yes votes than expected in both branches. This means it is pretty likely the differences in the two bills will be ironed out into a final votable bill that everyone will accept. The thousands of so-called fair-weather Viking fans who contacted their legislators in favor of the bills about 15-1 did a great job. The LA Viking fans can now go back to their esspresso’s and quiche while courting the team they were always gonna get — the Chargers.

  24. rtl1984 says: May 9, 2012 1:28 AM

    Great victory for the Vikings, it’s never a good thing when a team has to leave it’s home.

    But to that “Steeler” fan that posts on everything, this is for you:

    I have been a part of the Steelers’ fan base since ’84, my family has been even longer. Never have we once bragged about six superbowl rings, because it is never relevant. A true Steeler applauds his team and others, constantly having a great time with other fans. Ever been to Heinz field? Probably not. Own ten jerseys including Neil O’Donnells? Do you know him? Probably not.

    You’re not a fan. Just a bandwagoner. Just a scum looking for attention because daddy refuses to touch you since you’ve gotten too fat from munching on mommies cookies. You are not a part of Steeler Nation, you are an embarrassment to us. I hope that the Cowboys win two more superbowls, just so you can jump on that team and quit giving a bad name to steeler fans (Believe it or not, we’re a very tolerable race)

    Once again, great win Vikes.

  25. kevinwi says: May 9, 2012 1:28 AM

    You have to appreciate the process. The opponents of the bill fought hard for the citizens against the stadium…that’s how the system works. I respect that part of it. Don’t respect trying to sabotage the bill by adding ridiculous addendums in an effort to weigh it down and kill the bill. I respect a no vote….but actively trying to kill it? no.

    So anyways, the good guys won today…and yesterday…at least from my perspective.
    Hats off to Senator Julie Rosen who fought hard for this bill from the start. wow.
    Looks like my team gets to stay in MN and stay a part of the NFC North….which is where they belong.

  26. christinamer says: May 9, 2012 1:35 AM

    Whew.

  27. tramonisland says: May 9, 2012 1:36 AM

    LOVE IT!!!!!

    -pack fan living in mpls

  28. veence69 says: May 9, 2012 1:39 AM

    Bring on the LA Chargers!!

  29. lolb23 says: May 9, 2012 1:39 AM

    the Vikings will stay where they belong.
    ______________________________

    4th in the North

  30. cobbiecobstone says: May 9, 2012 1:43 AM

    Id say “without calling you out” but comment would do that on its own. Never seen news outlets fight over where the info came from till you. That being said. Ive never seen some one try So hard to make Minnesotans look so bad. They didnt handle when they should have in the right way, but had a fall back(the lease). However today they did the right thing. And for all those wondering, L.A. is still further away from ANY team then we were ever close to. And I say that knowing we arent done yet.

  31. tweeter75 says: May 9, 2012 1:45 AM

    The conference committee should be entertaining. The opponents of the bill will be pulling out all the stops to try to derail the plan and/or try to run the session out and kill the bill that way.

    I hope Vikings fans, especially Minnesotans are paying attention to our unfortunate political situation here in Minnesota and use what they’ve learned here to make a more informed vote come November.

    I definitely want a new stadium and want the Vikes to stay. If a legislator is an opponent of the bill and stands up for what he/she believes in, I respect that and respect their decision. It’s the dirty, slimy underhanded politics I can’t stand. The opponents who hide in the shadows, out of the public eye, and try to sabotage and kill the bill in other ways, such as trying to introduce unnacceptable amendments and proposals, knowing they don’t have a prayer of passing or having the Vikings blessing that I cannot stomach.

  32. distracted9 says: May 9, 2012 1:48 AM

    Who Cares? I was in Minnesota once.. What a miserable place, I felt like I was in Russia. Give those ppl a stadium they have nothing else to live for.. I guess if you’ve always lived there you wouldn’t know any better.. I’m not ripping on the citizens or the Vikings.. Just that miserable state.

  33. ajknox88 says: May 9, 2012 1:49 AM

    Coming from a NFC North rival fan I’m really hoping the Vikes stay in MN. It’d be a shame if they left.

  34. rollteal says: May 9, 2012 1:55 AM

    Good Luck Minnesota & Vikings !!! Y’all are close to getting this locked up for another 30/40 years and not letting them go the way of the Lakers & North stars, which would be good for the State of Minnesota, the city of Minneapolis & the NFL.

  35. greatminnesotasportsmind says: May 9, 2012 1:55 AM

    Vikings back up plan is to call Greg Williams and have him have a little “talk” with the Senators and Representatives who are voting no. Then if that didn’t work, Jonathan Vilma will come in with stacks of $100 bills.

  36. ambitoos says: May 9, 2012 2:09 AM

    Congradulations Vikings from San Diego. I don’t know what the heck were going to do. Probably stay at Qualcomme stadium.

  37. timegambit says: May 9, 2012 2:11 AM

    Bring both sides together.

    One side of the stadium can grow organic vegetables and hand out food stamps while the other side charges $5 for a hotdog and $40 for parking.

    America!

  38. purpwalk says: May 9, 2012 2:14 AM

    the no blackout stipulation won’t fly with the nfl, so it won’t be included, it’s too far-reaching and would set a precedent

    the wolfs, er, wilfs, would be stupid not to fork over a little more dough to get this done, so it looks like it’ll get passed. besides, how much in promises and bribes are they spending?

    then there will probably be a lawsuit filed against it on behalf of mpls. voters, but the momentum should carry the deal through unless some smart-azz lawyer pulls a rabbit out of a hat

  39. vbe2 says: May 9, 2012 2:16 AM

    So if the NFL blacks out games, what are they going to do?

  40. marlin6262 says: May 9, 2012 2:25 AM

    Better luck next time ladies of Los Angeles…got two words for you predators of our team…”suck it”

    Skol Vikings!

  41. ivegotbigblogs says: May 9, 2012 2:44 AM

    No way is L.A. going to take two purple and gold teams from us. With all this momentum I’ve heard there is an amendment to get the Lakers back to MN in exchange for reuniting our former governers in a new “Predator” movie.

  42. basjor33 says: May 9, 2012 2:46 AM

    Proud owners of the (future) best stadium in the North.

    Attn: Suck it

    1. Green Bay Packers
    2. Chicago Bears
    3. Detroit Lions (still too cute to be mad at)

  43. sabatimus says: May 9, 2012 2:54 AM

    Hope the taxpayers have fun paying for that.

  44. khmer379 says: May 9, 2012 2:59 AM

    Nobody want it to bet kuz they know am right the bill will pass n it will be build! Guranteed suckaz lol

  45. discosucs2005 says: May 9, 2012 2:59 AM

    I hope this whole situation demonstrates how much the league as a whole cares about fans. Threatening to move to try and persuade a state to pay for your giant profit machine and increase your bottom line is not the way to treat loyal customers.

    Vikings fans (a group of which I am not a member) have been very loyal to this franchise through the years, and their reward should not be having to choose between their team moving or devoting a huge amount of their hard earned money toward building the team a stadium.

    Going for more league and team money, as well as no blackouts is a nice start. I hope the Vikings stay in Minnesota and treat their fans the way all loyal customers deserve to be treated.

  46. krazytrane says: May 9, 2012 3:24 AM

    The no black out rule actually makes sense. We pay for a big chunk of the stadium bc we enjoy the Vikings games. Making us pay but not watch is out of line. Admittedly a stretch but how many people will not be able to go to a game bc of all the taxes added to their already struggling budgets? Now u take everything away via a blackout?

  47. bucx01 says: May 9, 2012 4:03 AM

    Why does the Vikings fan in the picture have a Cowboys star on his right arm?

  48. rhopperstad says: May 9, 2012 4:27 AM

    What do you expect from a group of people who’s liberal “messiah” is Al Franken ? There is a thriving business that will remove your obama bumper stickers tho , there must be “hope”

  49. ptdennis says: May 9, 2012 4:46 AM

    Redskin fan here. I agree that most politicians are worthless and we all knew this vote would be to keep the Vikings in Minnesota. I move that this thread be adjourned.

  50. jenniferxxx says: May 9, 2012 5:18 AM

    Do the people of Minnesota get to vote on this? Or do they just get to pay for it?

  51. magnustroi says: May 9, 2012 5:30 AM

    As a business owner ? Why would any Team consider LA ? They have had 3 Teams !!!! and ALL 3 Left LA just after a few years !!!! Talk about a community that Does Not support football? Raiders x2 ,Rams ,If one man tells you are drunk ? Yea Right ,If 2 men tell you are drunk ? Maybe I am ? But if 3 men tell you are drunk you better sit yea ARSE down !!!!!!!

  52. im2fast4you123 says: May 9, 2012 5:32 AM

    LA shouldnt get a team anyways. No team wants to stay there hence the rams bein in st louis and the raiders in pakland. Give it up football don’t want you.

  53. larondontlikeugly says: May 9, 2012 5:58 AM

    Minnesota deserves a football team way more than a plastic city that continues to drive NFL teams away from SoCal. Just build the damn stadium and give those people what they want!

  54. cooklynn17 says: May 9, 2012 6:13 AM

    As a Giants fan, I am happy to hear it. I know the importance of keeping divisions and rivalries in tact. I did not want to see Minnesota move out of Minnesota.

  55. randygnyc says: May 9, 2012 6:13 AM

    I hope this gets done. And since the public is funding this project, I love the amendment stating the games can’t be blacked out locally. There’s gonna be more than 80,000 people paying installments for a long time on this. Why should only a select few get to see the game?

  56. truepurple says: May 9, 2012 6:48 AM

    Yes a new stadium! No thanks to Sen. John Marty of Roseville.

  57. thepeoplesjunk says: May 9, 2012 6:52 AM

    We are getting close to finally resolving this thing.
    As for the trolls….. I am sure they will stick around and keep trashing anything they can. After all, that is their life. I don’t know if they are insecure or what, but I can almost guarantee they are living in their parent’s basement.

  58. pastabelly says: May 9, 2012 6:59 AM

    The no black out language is amusing. They may as well put language in the bill that says that opposing teams touchdown only count for five points.

  59. purple4reak says: May 9, 2012 7:04 AM

    To ALL of you A-Holes that ever muttered an all too original “LA Vikings” joke…and to the others that never supported this project…go fist yourselves! Like it or not, we’re here to stay!

  60. chuckyd317 says: May 9, 2012 7:06 AM

    Congrats Vikes fans…

  61. thepvyharvin says: May 9, 2012 7:08 AM

    It will be done! The NFL has nothing to gain by having our historic franchise move. Really no other place for a Viking to live but Minnesota!

  62. moeman79 says: May 9, 2012 7:10 AM

    now pass a bill to make the queens not suck.

  63. wrkaiser01 says: May 9, 2012 7:10 AM

    Why not put a team in a state that doesn’t have to put a clause in their stadium bill that no games be blacked out locally because nobody shows up. We really want a team there you loser Viking fans. Support your team in good times and bad like us Packer fans. I do believe you are the only team to have a playoff game blacked out because of lack of attendance. That is sad. Move the to Cali and save us all the trouble of having to please all of you self rightous fans.

  64. santolonius says: May 9, 2012 7:16 AM

    for all these minnesota lawmakers’ general numskullery, the provision that requires no local blackouts is pretty awesome. i hate the nfl blackout rule.

  65. shadowman1433 says: May 9, 2012 7:19 AM

    So the Senate puts in the bill that no games can be blacked out because they know the games won’t sell out? Great fans you have there.

  66. wrkaiser01 says: May 9, 2012 7:21 AM

    Fill the stadium then you don’t have to worry about a blackout rule! Green Bay fills their bigger stadium in a towm of 100,000. You can’t even fill it in the Twin Cities.

  67. jimiinpa says: May 9, 2012 7:42 AM

    such a sad situation , and as usual the fan’s are the ones being held hostage. pro sports will never learn

  68. lbpackfan says: May 9, 2012 8:00 AM

    basjor33 says:
    May 9, 2012 2:46 AM
    Proud owners of the (future) best stadium in the North.

    Attn: Suck it

    1. Green Bay Packers
    2. Chicago Bears
    3. Detroit Lions (still too cute to be mad at)

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    “Best” stadium…ahhhh yes, by “best” you mean newest….more “State of the art”….obviously we arent talking popularity here.

    How nice are Wrigley Field…and Fenway Park? You think majority of people, if given a chance, would rather go to Chase Field over those 2? Or…Houston Texans stadium over Lambeau?

    Being “best” and being popular are 2 different things my friend.

  69. urcrap says: May 9, 2012 8:00 AM

    Where’s my shovel!

  70. racksie says: May 9, 2012 8:05 AM

    The myopia of Vikings fans while not surprising, is definitely ignorant. There are other issues to vote on, other than stadiums. We didn’t vote these people in because of how they would vote on a stadium, and if you vote them out because you didn’t get a stadium, I think you should just stay home on election day, because you are grossly misinformed about what purpose politicians serve. And it’s not to satisfy a bunch of drunk face painters who no zip about the other issues facing the state. Like schools, roads, poverty, TAXES. Not stadiums.

  71. thatswhatimsayin says: May 9, 2012 8:10 AM

    wrkaiser01 says:
    May 9, 2012 7:10 AM
    Why not put a team in a state that doesn’t have to put a clause in their stadium bill that no games be blacked out locally because nobody shows up. We really want a team there you loser Viking fans. Support your team in good times and bad like us Packer fans. I do believe you are the only team to have a playoff game blacked out because of lack of attendance. That is sad. Move the to Cali and save us all the trouble of having to please all of you self rightous fans.
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    Yeah, you may show up for the game, but i’ve never seen fans head for the exit faster than Packer fans when they’re losing. Fair weather fans at best.

  72. fwippel says: May 9, 2012 8:10 AM

    I’m not sure where the state senate gets the idea that they can require that games not be blacked out. That’s not their call, but rather the call of the NFL.

    No state government is going to change that, even if they have to kick in $ to pay for part of the costs. Besides, it’s not like this new stadium isn’t going to be used for a whole lot of other events besides football.

  73. dspyank2k11 says: May 9, 2012 8:22 AM

    Good for the Vikes, one less option moving to LA!

    Im a Bills fan and I would hate to see LA get any team. That town had their chance. Why dont they buy a soccer team or another baseball team and leave the NFL alone.

  74. Carl Gerbschmidt says: May 9, 2012 8:22 AM

    Now, if you can just get past the lawsuit forcing a public referendum, you’re home free..

  75. toddm6d says: May 9, 2012 8:23 AM

    Watching the MN Senate debate is like watching a room full of Paul Allens.

    None of them have anything useful to say but they love to hear the sounds of their own voices.

  76. neworleanscheaters says: May 9, 2012 8:30 AM

    Pretty sure the stadium has been sold out for years in the crappy Metrodome so saying they don’t fill the stadium shows how ignorant Packers’ fans are. Stick to your own. I don’t know how the NFL blackout rules work but seems like a good try by the senate to include that even if it won’t work. Can’t hurt to try.

  77. hound32 says: May 9, 2012 8:32 AM

    Hang in there Viking fans . this lifelong die hard Browns fan who knows the pain of losing a franchise all to well is pulling for you . the Vikings belong in Minnesota …. i remember the outdoor stadium & loved watching the purple people eaters play in the elements which is where the great game of football was meant to be played . i hates politicians . anytime they or bottom feeding lawyers get involved nothing good happens .

    go back to your roots . build a open air stadium .

  78. niobiumh2 says: May 9, 2012 8:42 AM

    you know lets hear more about a stadium that 90% people that visit this site cant even go to this stadium. who **** cares. tired of seeing vikings stadium posts.

  79. dcviking says: May 9, 2012 8:45 AM

    wrkaiser01 says: May 9, 2012 7:21 AM

    Fill the stadium then you don’t have to worry about a blackout rule! Green Bay fills their bigger stadium in a towm of 100,000. You can’t even fill it in the Twin Cities.
    ————————————————-

    This argument is 100% accurate since the only people who go to Packer games live within the city limits of Green Bay.

    Moron…

  80. dcviking says: May 9, 2012 8:46 AM

    marlin6262 says: May 9, 2012 2:25 AM

    Better luck next time ladies of Los Angeles…got two words for you predators of our team…”suck it”

    Skol Vikings!
    ——————————

    You forgot to throw in a crotch chop for good measure

  81. taintedsaints2009 says: May 9, 2012 9:06 AM

    the idea that the vikings bring in revune to the state is true, via sales taxes. but think of this the other way: if there are no vikings, people will spend their money elsewhere. and guess what? if i buy an ATV, or fishing gear, or something, instead of vikings stuff, it is ALSO taxed by the state. therefore, the state still gets revenue. the revenue source is merely transferred; it is not lost. and here is a novel idea: maybe instead of buying season tickets, people would SAVE their money, or invest it.

    i don’t understand this sports culture we live in as a country. states governments that are being bankrupted by overspent/underfunded pensions, and other failing programs, are more than willing to subsidize a multi billion dollar company? i want the vikings to stay, but not like this. the state should have no part in the funding.

    the next time you see people out in front of any capitol intimidating lawmakers and threatening governors lives, and their families, (i’m looking at you, Madison, WI) because of budget cuts, you protestors just remember that you’re the problem. remember that you’re the same people who wanted to spend limited resources on a meaningless football game. because unlike the federal government, state governments actually have to have a budget, and people lose their jobs when the money runs dry.

  82. conormacleod says: May 9, 2012 9:08 AM

    I won’t address the Packer trolls that think destroying the rivalry would be a good thing. Besides, if they live in Green Bay they are probably unemployed and would be able to counterpoint much quicker because I’ll be at work.

    Anyway, I appreciate those of you that are real football fans of other teams and realize that you wouldn’t want to lose your team either. Thank you. The Vikings are in Minnesota to stay, and that is simply the way it should be. Wilf will pump almost $500 mil into the local economy immediately, and much more over the next 30 years. And the state gets a brand new facility to use for about 355 days a year, and they only have to pay for half of it. It’s a sweet deal for them.

  83. superjroch says: May 9, 2012 9:10 AM

    It’s a good thing they added the no blackout amendment. Now that Wilf got his palace you won’t be able to enter those doors without shelling out $400/ticket. I hope the Vikings win, it will give the fans more to talk about in the bankruptcy line.

  84. wludford says: May 9, 2012 9:24 AM

    It’s not over yet.

    What gets hammered out in Conference Committee has to pass the House and Senate again, and be ‘do-able’ for the Vikings. I think the final votes in both Chambers will be closer, so keep the pressure on legislators to get this passed.

    Keep calling, keep emailing them in support of a new stadium!

  85. kriesel4gov says: May 9, 2012 9:27 AM

    wrkaiser01: The Vikings have sold out every game since 1997, including all playoff games. You are clearly making things up. Remember when the Packers had to play home games in Milwaukee because they couldn’t sell out lambeau for 10 games per year? Selective memory or just making it up again?

  86. hikohadon says: May 9, 2012 9:28 AM

    If they’re just gonna build another stinkin’ dome, I’d rather they had left.

  87. kriesel4gov says: May 9, 2012 9:29 AM

    Also, if anyone cares to know the reality, the no blackout provision was put in as an attempt to kill the bill by an opponent knowing full well that it does not mesh with the NFL bylaws. It will be taken out in conference committee.

  88. clear2me says: May 9, 2012 9:32 AM

    @ptdennis. “I move that this thread be adjourned.” It’s a soap opera, it will never be adjourned, because soap operas never end. “As the Stadium Churns,” starring stumbling politicians al a the Three Stooges.

  89. realitypolice says: May 9, 2012 9:33 AM

    No way the NFL accepts the no-blackout clause.

    None.

    They can’t set that precedent, and they don’t have to.

    They hold all of the cards.

  90. realitypolice says: May 9, 2012 9:41 AM

    Guys who dress up like the guy in the picture for football games are losers.

  91. michfan says: May 9, 2012 9:42 AM

    It still should be built in Arden Hills! More space, more room, and no Minneapolis Mafia making out like bandits on this one!

  92. cmarsh64 says: May 9, 2012 9:44 AM

    I agree the blackout clause and the difference in money they want the owner to put up are big issues. Maybe they did this to pass the blame,knowing the NFL won’t agree to a NO Blackout clause and they can blame the NFL if it goes wrong. Wait and see the state will then ask that the team colors and name stay with them.

  93. cmarsh64 says: May 9, 2012 9:54 AM

    As a football fan would love to see the Vikings stay right where they are,but i feel there are backdoor dealings going on against this we can’t see. The bill must pass this session if not the Vikings are gone….so watch and see if a bunch of lawyers get involved stalling the bill. I hope I’m Wrong!

  94. bordner says: May 9, 2012 10:00 AM

    khmer379 says:
    May 9, 2012 2:59 AM

    Nobody want it to bet kuz they know am right the bill will pass n it will be build! Guranteed suckaz lol
    ———————————–
    Maybe those who were arguing that the money would be better spent on schools really did have a point…

  95. cmarsh64 says: May 9, 2012 10:03 AM

    Lets not forget the NFL will be Negotiating a new Network contract after the 2013 season and blackout dates help the NFL get more money from Direct TV and the Networks like ESPN and NFL Network not to mention FOX,NBC and CBS plus all the local networks that pay the big boys.Now you see why my previous statement was made.

  96. commishroger says: May 9, 2012 10:08 AM

    Gotta love it. If nothing else it’s good theater. How about those folks who voted against the amendment protecting the City Charter’s referendum requirement, but then voted against the final bill. One particular NE Mpls pol did just that-vote against the final bill, knowing it will pass anyhow, but deny the citizens of Minneapolis the collective voice to accept or reject the shifting and extension of the convention center sales tax. This entire episode is just one more example that our politics resemble that of an oligarchy much more than a democracy. They’re making it up as they go-e.g., subverting parliamentary procedures to re-amend a charter amendment that had been passed by a majority vote. Majority rule does not matter, even when it is given voice in a vote. And it surely does not matter when the interests of the powerful few fear the majority of the citizenry will squash their hare-brained funding schemes. This is a travesty, and too many people here are too interested in looking the other way simply to satisfy some bizarre need for entertainment-at any cost. There are other ways this could have been done, but this only brings dishonor to our entire state, but especially to the legislature and governor who supported it.

  97. muskyhunter2542 says: May 9, 2012 10:42 AM

    As a fan of The Packers I say get this MF’er done!!!
    Its a great rivalry. It would be a shame to not have the Vikings in Minnesota.

    BTW, what the hell does SKOL mean?

  98. slatetundra07 says: May 9, 2012 10:58 AM

    Build it…so the Pack can continue to beat them in it.

  99. vikesandravens78 says: May 9, 2012 11:01 AM

    We’re not out of the woods yet, folks. Stay tuned and keep your fingers crossed that all goes well in the Conference Committee.

  100. vikesandravens78 says: May 9, 2012 11:04 AM

    muskyhunter2542 says: May 9, 2012 10:42 AM

    As a fan of The Packers I say get this MF’er done!!!
    Its a great rivalry. It would be a shame to not have the Vikings in Minnesota.

    BTW, what the hell does SKOL mean?

    ——————————————————

    First off, thanks for the support. Nice to hear from true Packer fans who appreciate the history of the NFC North. “Skol” is a term from the Norse Vikings that was used as a battle cry but is now more used as a salutation or toast to friends.

  101. tmkelley1 says: May 9, 2012 11:15 AM

    As a resident of Southern California, I can tell you straight up that NO ONE wants your Vikings to move here, not even my Viking fan co-workers. They belong in Minnesota, period. Stay there.

    And here’s the other thing–how incongruous does “Los Angeles Vikings” sound? Kind of like “Minnesota Dolphins.”

    HTTR!

  102. skolvikings2011 says: May 9, 2012 11:19 AM

    muskyhunter2542 says:
    May 9, 2012 10:42 AM
    As a fan of The Packers I say get this MF’er done!!!
    Its a great rivalry. It would be a shame to not have the Vikings in Minnesota.

    BTW, what the hell does SKOL mean?
    ——————————————
    It’s a Nordic war cry. I believe it means “victory.”

    And as a side-note, as much as Vikes & Pack & Bear fans love to rib each other, I couldn’t imagine NOT playing GB or CHI or even Detroit twice a year for that matter. Its what makes rivalries great. Hopefully, the North stays in tact and is not broken-up due to politics. Most folks in MN want this to get done, including the Pack fans that live here.

  103. 4evrnyt says: May 9, 2012 11:39 AM

    I realize both sides need to do their posturing so they can try and look blameless in the end but we all know exactly how this is going to play out so just move to L.A. already everybody knows you are anyway.

  104. 4evrnyt says: May 9, 2012 11:45 AM

    @tmkelley1 “As a resident of Southern California, I can tell you straight up that NO ONE wants your Vikings to move here, not even my Viking fan co-workers. They belong in Minnesota, period.”
    ————————————————–
    You’re pretty awesome, not only are you speaking on behalf of the 22 millions Southern CA residents but apparently you are also the spokesmen for the 5.3 million residents of Minnesota. I love how you know exactly what everybody wants. What a schmo.

    (p.s. GET IT, Southern CA has 4 times as many people as the entire state of Minnesota, I wonder which has the more lucrative TV contracts.)

  105. thankheavenfornumberseven says: May 9, 2012 11:45 AM

    hikohadon says:May 9, 2012 9:28 AM

    If they’re just gonna build another stinkin’ dome, I’d rather they had left.
    ________

    What a coincidence. I’d rather you had left. Move to Green Bay if you want to sit on urine-soaked aluminum benches in -10 degree weather.

  106. ckacv111 says: May 9, 2012 12:02 PM

    tweeter75 says:May 9, 2012 1:45 AM

    It’s the dirty, slimy underhanded politics I can’t stand. The opponents who hide in the shadows, out of the public eye, and try to sabotage and kill the bill in other ways, such as trying to introduce unnacceptable amendments and proposals, knowing they don’t have a prayer of passing or having the Vikings blessing that I cannot stomach.

    = Enter Sean Nienow (R) and John Marty (DFL)

  107. wrkaiser01 says: May 9, 2012 12:04 PM

    Move to Green Bay if you want to watch a championship caliber team that doesn’t have a love boat and urine in people’s yards. Support your team and this would nto happen. Domes are for sissies.

  108. purpleguy says: May 9, 2012 12:18 PM

    Hey commishroger, the democratic process works by voting either for or against the politicians who purportedly subvert the system. A democracy doesn’t constitute a voter referendum every issue you deem important — that’s why we vote on our respective representatives. Not to mention this city portion of the funding mechanism is an existing tax that has been subject to state, not city, direction since implementation of the law. The State has done the same thing about 20 times before and no 0ne has whined about it. It slays me that minneapolis city residents would bitch about taxes and thwart downtown development when commercial real estate taxes effectively subsidize residential real estate taxes. I guess that’s the way an oligarchy works.

  109. Carl Gerbschmidt says: May 9, 2012 12:24 PM

    Maybe you guys can ask your politicos to go back and put in an amendment saying vikes must get an automatic playoff berth… Cuz that’s they only way you’re to the post season anytime soon!

  110. commishroger says: May 9, 2012 12:48 PM

    ckacv111:

    “Out of the public eye”? How’s that? I watched Marty, Neinow , Howe, and the entire Senate debate on a statewide TV feed yesterday-and also on live web feed. Their amendments were offered on the floor, debated on the floor for several hours in full view, and in 2 cases, passed on the floor. The “out of the public eye” part happened after these amendments were passed (referendum in Mpls and user-fees) and then re-introduced for re-amendments. The “out of the public eye” part is interesting though, isn’t it, since we do not know what kind of concessions or campaign/financial help those who changed their votes gained during the period between supporting, and then not supporting. lawfully passed amendments. If you want to criticize scummy politics, start there, not with the people who stood in front of the body of the Senate, and the entire state, to offer their views in amendments and debate.

    The “Vikings’ Blessing” is hardly the only consideration these people needed to be concerned about. They supposedly represent a broad variety of constituents. The concerns of people who do not want to be exposed to future tax liabilities because of inadequate funding have not been represented, nor have the perfectly legitimate concerns of Minneapolis residents who want their charter to be enforced. I for one hope there will be some group willing to put the time and effort into litigating this piece of crap on the referendum issue alone.

  111. mediasloppy says: May 9, 2012 12:50 PM

    The best amendment added to the bill was that the money being used by whatever means they finally figure out to pay off the bonds will go towards higher education once the Stadium is paid off. I think high school graduates with a 3.0 or higher grade can receive a grant for schools in Minnesota.

    That is years and years from now though…

  112. brewdogg says: May 9, 2012 1:33 PM

    racksie says: May 9, 2012 8:05 AM

    The myopia of Vikings fans while not surprising, is definitely ignorant. There are other issues to vote on, other than stadiums. We didn’t vote these people in because of how they would vote on a stadium, and if you vote them out because you didn’t get a stadium, I think you should just stay home on election day, because you are grossly misinformed about what purpose politicians serve. And it’s not to satisfy a bunch of drunk face painters who no zip about the other issues facing the state. Like schools, roads, poverty, TAXES. Not stadiums.
    ———————————-

    I will work under the assumption that you are a Packers fan…..

    1) Did you know that, if the state of Mn spent the same percentage of tax revenue on education as the state of Wi does, they would shave $2 billion (that’s 9 zeros) off of each year’s budget?
    Mn 1
    Wi 0

    2) Mn has the 4th lowest percentage of poverty in the nation. The percentage of people in Wi below the poverty line is 25% higher than in Mn.
    Mn 2
    Wi 0

    3) I have operated a semi extensively in both Mn and Wi. Talk to me about roads when your underfunded DoT gets the snowplows out before noon…..
    Mn 3
    Wi 0

    4) How is the Mn legislature supposed to continue funding all its various programs without raising taxes when $20 million or so in taxes paid by the Vikings on national revenue sources and by the players leaves town on those Mayflower trucks.

    This one isn’t a win for Mn, just pointing out that you’re an idiot.

  113. vikings4me says: May 9, 2012 1:47 PM

    It amazes me that some people feel that sports fans know nothing about politics! I understand that politicians all have their own agendas, much the same as each individual does. That is one thing that makes this country great, we are entitled to have those agendas.

    However, the fact that I would vote a politician out of office for their ridiculous political games on this bill does not make me ignorant of all the other issues out there (ie: jobs, taxes, poverty, roads, education, etc.). In fact, for a state that has a very high unemployment rate, this Vikings stadium bill is the largest jobs bill introduced this session….hmmmm….funny the politicians didn’t have time to come up with any other jobs bills. They were too busy looking for ways to look good to their constituents, promote their re-election, and not be forced to vote for a stadium, I mean jobs, bill.

    Legalizing gambling is the least harmful of all the ideas to fund the stadium. It does NOT increase taxes, it merely taxes the stupid, meaning if you want to gamble, you will find a way to gamble and that money might as well go to the state and the stadium.

    The Wilfs are the best ownership group the Vikings have ever had. They may be billionnaires, but when did that become a bad thing?

  114. racksie says: May 9, 2012 2:33 PM

    realitypolice says: May 9, 2012 9:41 AM

    Guys who dress up like the guy in the picture for football games are losers.

    And he’s Canadian.

  115. racksie says: May 9, 2012 2:40 PM

    brewdog: Born and raised Minnesotan. Lifelong Viking fan. Born in 1966. You? Just pointing out to people who think the politicians are there to take care of one issue are idiots. They are more likely to be voted out for approving a stadium than not approving. So your WI, points are invalid in this argument. And giving a billionaire, half a billion, and it becomes “unworkable” is a tad frustrating, don’t you think? Maybe just park your truck in WI and stay there. You seem to be well versed in WI politics. Can’t wait until Barret cleans up on Walker, by the way. He would fix all those problems you cited. Drive carefully. You provide an invaluable service for all of us. See, that’s polite, and sincere. Packer fan? Please.

  116. racksie says: May 9, 2012 2:45 PM

    brewdog: I’m just an honest tax paying citizen of Minnesota who can see past his nose, and realize there is more than one issue to consider. So do you have to pay taxes in WI as well? And I’m more insulted being called a Packer fan than an idiot, although both are ignorant. Again, drive carefully :)

  117. hikohadon says: May 9, 2012 2:55 PM

    “What a coincidence. I’d rather you had left. Move to Green Bay if you want to sit on urine-soaked aluminum benches in -10 degree weather.”
    ________________

    Awwww, are woo gonna fweeze?

    Football’s an outdoor sport. Domes ARE for sissies.

    Maybe Minnesota just needs an Arena Team.

  118. racksie says: May 9, 2012 3:51 PM

    vikings4me: My point is many more people vote than the people who go to games on Sunday. To think a politician will be voted out on this issue alone, is very shortsighted. Think about: There are maybe 100,000 people who go to games each year. OR lets call it 200,000. You take into account the season ticket base, that’s a set number and then a revolving number that on the high end, numbers around 130,000. Or so. Considering many of these people are not season ticket holders, but attend multiple games. Heck, lets call it 500,000. There are 3,062,182 registered voters in Minnesota. do you really believe the majority of them want their taxes going to a stadium they will never see, let alone go inside of? Shortsighted. At the very least.

  119. footballrulz says: May 9, 2012 4:30 PM

    As a Packer fan glad to see this progressing — THE NFC North should never be broken up.

  120. brewdogg says: May 9, 2012 10:45 PM

    @racksie

    I apologize for calling you a Packer fan. I don’t apologize for calling you an idiot…..

    Not born and raised in MN, but an honest taxpaying resident for 15 years and a lifelong Vikings fan. And I can see past my nose, and am capable of deductive logic. Let’s break it down a little for you….

    Let’s assume that the average ticket price is $100, and the average fan spends an additional $50 on concessions/souvenirs. That’s $150 per seat. 60,000 seats per game for 8 games is $72 million. That leaves, what, $200-250 million in non-gameday revenue each year? So that would mean that 75% of taxes paid by the Vikings comes from national revenue sources. How much do you suppose that is? Now figure in the player’s and coach’s salaries and their income tax, about $8 million/year. Of course they don’t pay all that, but even if they only pay $4 million/year, that is $120 million over 30 years.

    Now let’s further assume the final tally is $300 million in state contribution, inflated to $500 million by the time all interest on bonds is paid. That rounds up to about $17 million/year. If the amount of non-replaceable tax revenue equals of exceeds that figure, than the state is better off contributing it than letting them go. It’s that simple. Of course, I don’t have access to those records. Do you? No? Well, I’ll bet the state legislature does…. Maybe it would be easier for them to make a decision on this matter if they weren’t afraid of getting voted out for approving it.

    Furthermore, let’s assume the $17 million/year figure. 5.3 million Mn residents. Even if the funding was done through a tax that was evenly distributed to each resident, that would be….$3 per year. A quarter per month. Less than a cent a day…. I can see why honest Minnesota taxpayers like you are so concerned….

    You’re right, there is more than just one issue here. unfortunately, there are too many people who get hung up on the big number and fail to consider the broader picture. But feel free to keep your head buried in the sand and think that nothing bad will happen to the state budget if the Vikings leave. Then you can vote out the politicians that raised your taxes and cut spending to cover for that tax gap. All because the concept of $3/year was too much for you to stomach.

  121. magnustroi says: May 10, 2012 12:39 AM

    Just to clear something up ? The No Blackout clause is a good one ,If you think about it Logically ? What their requiring actually can be done,It will simply require the vikings to purchase any un sold tickets to prevent blackout, A Great Ideal if you think about it …..

  122. chris6523 says: May 10, 2012 5:47 PM

    In regard to the blackouts, I think it is outdated and I would advise the NFL to get rid of it. I can’t picture very many people saying “geez, I was gonna watch the Jags this weekend, but we’re looking at a blackout. Guess I’m just gonna have to cough up $300 to take me, the wife, and the two kids to the game.”

    Not a great way to build customer loyalty locally. Beyond that, college football, and all the major sports don’t have a blackout rule and it doesn’t seem to hurt them. I can’t imagine not having a blackout rule would hurt the biggest kid on the block.

  123. cobaltdriver says: May 15, 2012 10:40 AM

    Remember when the Packers had to play home games in Milwaukee because they couldn’t sell out lambeau for 10 games per year…um wrong..if you are going to spout off..please get the facts straight..the Packers played at county stadium because during the time Lambeau was being built, they had an agreement they would play so many games in Milwaukee after Lambeau was built..not because they “couldn’t sell out lambeau”…please get the facts straight.

  124. materialman80 says: May 16, 2012 12:10 PM

    Why do taxpayers continue to subsidize the richest people in America?

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