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Carson Palmer: Raiders, Bengals both won in last year’s trade

Oakland Raiders quarterback Carson Palmer throws a pass against the San Diego Chargers during their NFL football game in Oakland Reuters

After the dust has settled in an NFL trade, there’s a tendency to declare one team the winner and one team the loser. Carson Palmer says that’s not the right way to look at his trade from the Bengals to the Raiders last year.

Instead, Palmer said on the Dan Patrick Show that the Raiders benefited from getting him, the Bengals benefited from moving on, and both teams should be happy that they made the trade.

“In years to come, both organizations will look back and say this is the best thing that could have happened,” Palmer said.

Palmer has to hope that becomes the case, because right now it looks like the Bengals got the better end of the deal: The Bengals drafted their quarterback of the future in Andy Dalton after Palmer said he wouldn’t return to Cincinnati, then they traded Palmer to Oakland in exchange for the first-round pick they used this year on cornerback Dre Kirkpatrick, plus a conditional pick next year that will be either a first- or second-round selection. Right now the Bengals have to be thrilled with how things turned out.

This season Palmer will try to make the Raiders thrilled with how things turned out, too.

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115 Responses to “Carson Palmer: Raiders, Bengals both won in last year’s trade”
  1. Stiller43 says: May 14, 2012 11:04 AM

    Palmer was washed up a few years ago and the raiders made a terrible decision.

  2. armyofbastards says: May 14, 2012 11:04 AM

    As it stands right now, Palmer is the best QB the Raiders have had since Rich Gannon, so I agree that this has been a win/win for both teams. His sporadic play last year was due to his being thrown into the fire without proper preparation time. This will all work out, sit back and enjoy

  3. nflofficeadmin says: May 14, 2012 11:05 AM

    Is that Carson Palmer or John McCain throwing the football in that photo..

  4. damnsureis says: May 14, 2012 11:05 AM

    And I’m sure every time a girl dumped him it was a “mutual thing.”

  5. cooklynn17 says: May 14, 2012 11:06 AM

    No Carson what you meant to say it the Bengals won.

  6. ravenator says: May 14, 2012 11:09 AM

    Seriously? Raiders got straight fleeced.

  7. wcucarter says: May 14, 2012 11:09 AM

    Raiders = fleeced

  8. cali49er707 says: May 14, 2012 11:10 AM

    try to save face carson, and thumbs down if you want raider fan because, the raiders were used & abused in that trade as it stands right now, they absolutely got burned & still have to give up that pick next year. and i find the funny thing to be that the guy who traded those picks is now working for the bengals, looks like they felt the owed him considering that trade helped get him fired!!!

  9. villa41 says: May 14, 2012 11:10 AM

    Playoff type NFL QB’s are hard to come by, and it’s hard to win consistently without one. Palmer is a playoff type caliber QB. He can make all the throws, read defenses, and go through his progressions. I’ll gladly have him for what we would have gotten for the 17th overall pick. Palmer is the best QB the Raiders have had since Gannon. Case closed. He’ll be at the helm of one of the best offenses in the league this year. If the defense can even get to mediocre, then the Raiders are a play-off team.

    As for the Bengals, just becuase you have draft picks it doen’t mean they will pan out. The jury’s still out on Dalton, as far as ai’m concerned. Josh Freeman looked got his first year too, second year not so good. Overall, both teams did benefit, as Palmer just had enough of Cincy. I’m fine with Oakland’s end of this deal, though.

  10. pixelito says: May 14, 2012 11:10 AM

    Glad I’m not a Raider fan.

  11. sellout3871 says: May 14, 2012 11:11 AM

    LOL, whatever gets you through the day dude!

    from,
    The entire city of Cincinnati

  12. shaunypoo says: May 14, 2012 11:11 AM

    He may be the best QB the Raiders have had since Gannon, but if you have watched him play one game in the last 3 years, you would realize he is washed up. I would say he is quitting and asking for a trade by game six if you are .500 or under.

  13. humb0lt says: May 14, 2012 11:11 AM

    Guy quit on his team. He’s 32, with questionable arm strength. Raiders fans were fond of saying when their team didn’t have a pick for the first three rounds that “Carson Palmer is our first round draft choice.” Well he’s going to be their second round draft choice next year as well.

  14. tonyugoh says: May 14, 2012 11:11 AM

    Sure and Grizzly Adams had a beard

  15. jhorton83 says: May 14, 2012 11:12 AM

    Yeah, except the Raiders didn’t. They gave up a 1st and 2nd round draft pick for a slow, turnover-prone washed up QB who ended up being a downgrade over Jason Campbell (not all that great himself). The Raiders were 4-2 with Campbell, 4-6 with Palmer. So explain, Carson, how exactly did the Raiders “win” this trade considering how much they lost afterwards?

  16. qdog112 says: May 14, 2012 11:12 AM

    That may yet be true, but right now it looks like the Raiders were taken to the cleaners. Palmer, so far, has turned to be “who we thought he was.” His arm is dead and the year off didn’t help it. He was serving up INTs left and right in his last full year with the Bengals and he picked up where he left off with the Raiders. It seems the Bengals got, by far the better of the deal, judging by the picks they have turned into “real-live” players.

  17. oldschoolomen says: May 14, 2012 11:13 AM

    I can’t wait to see Palmer playing in Cincinnati this year. I hope Palmer proves people wrong about being washed up, but I also hope he serves up a couple of his patented pick-sixes to Dre Kirkpatrick.

  18. doe22us says: May 14, 2012 11:15 AM

    What a delusional chap, anyhow a full season will result in more ints thats for sure.

  19. fraleyr says: May 14, 2012 11:17 AM

    Lol as a bengals fan I’m so happy to see this guy gone. Ever since 05 Palmer only completes passes to db’s. I think he threw as many picks as dalton in half the time lol

  20. vysethelegend says: May 14, 2012 11:19 AM

    I don’t know how people can be so delusional

  21. whodey8 says: May 14, 2012 11:19 AM

    Who cares what he thinks. I just can’t wait for him to run thru the visitors tunnel at PBS, the stadium he said he would never set foot in again. He may finally complete some passes to the team in black and orange that day. What goes around comes around. Carson, you once were respected but you don’t quit on your fans and team.

    You do have 80 Million in the bank, but ZERO in credibility.

  22. chadmurdigan says: May 14, 2012 11:19 AM

    Carson’s as used up as Peyton Manning. Both of them need to head for the couch and mostly likely will be there before the end of the upcoming season. The GM’s making these wishful thinking trades need to have their heads examined, that’s for sure.

  23. ninerdynasty says: May 14, 2012 11:20 AM

    I wonder if Mckenzie thinks the same thing?. I bet he is not happy with the situation.. the raiders gave up 1st, 2nd round picks for an OK qb that throws more Ints than TDs for the next 4 years.. and then gave up pa 3rd rounder for a guy to sit on the bench and wasted $ on campbell for to play 7 games.

  24. raiderluv says: May 14, 2012 11:21 AM

    I thought that, if the Raiders did not win a play-off game in 2011 (last year) that they keep their first round pick for next year. And since they did not make the play-offs, they still have it.

    Am I wrong about this??

  25. radrntn says: May 14, 2012 11:23 AM

    go ahead haters…keep on hating…..i’m loving the fact that we got Palmer.

  26. joetoronto says: May 14, 2012 11:23 AM

    The Bengals got the unknown and the Raiders got the known.

    We’ll see how those draft picks work out in the future, maybe they will and maybe they won’t.

    By the way, Dalton has only played one year, I wouldn’t bet the house on him just yet.

  27. radrntn says: May 14, 2012 11:25 AM

    i get a kick out this thing just posted, but yet 39 people in the last two minutes gave thumbs up to the hate….inside job, no doubt.

  28. trubroncfan07 says: May 14, 2012 11:25 AM

    Best thing about Palmer is he thinks he ten times better than he is. Keep throwing those picks this year Carson.

  29. AlohaMrHand says: May 14, 2012 11:26 AM

    in all fairness let’s see how he does with a healthy McFadden in the backfield and a whole offseason to learn the playbook.Oh and it’s funny how everyone forgets how lousy their defense was.

  30. inthezone4 says: May 14, 2012 11:30 AM

    Thank god he left. His knees are gone and he is a interception machine. Good luck with that and give the thumbs down all you want. The truth hurts. Keep your fingers crossed that Raiders management draft a quarterback next year.

  31. autumnwind999 says: May 14, 2012 11:31 AM

    Palmer is absolutely right.

    Draft picks are O-V-E-R-R-A-T-E-D.

    You know what’s not overrated? Franchise quarterbacks.

    The Bengals had Dalton and had already seen enough from him to make the move.

    And you can’t tell me the Raiders would be better off with Dre Kirkpatrick + whoever else the Bengals may draft next year who has a 50-50 chance to wash out in a few years (as all draft picks do) than they are with Palmer.

    Nobody fleeced anybody. Bengals get to roll the dice a couple of times on college prospects by parting ways with a guy who was never coming back to them. The Raiders finally got their first legitimate, bigtime QB in about 10 years.

    WIN-WIN.

  32. 44mpo says: May 14, 2012 11:33 AM

    My biggest concern is that the Raiders are trying to bring in a west coast offense, something that is not Palmers strengths. It is going to take some effort on both his part and the coaching to make this thing work. A good coach is going to recognize his key players strengths, and work out game plans to accomodate those. At the same time the player needs to be willing to put forth the effort to change his style as much as he can to accomodate what the coaching staff wants to accomplish.
    Time will indeed tell.

  33. FeedtheOldtotheYoung says: May 14, 2012 11:33 AM

    What do you want him to say?

    “The team I’m playing for now overpaid for me?”

    “The team I’m playing for now got hosed?”

    “The team I left sucked?”

  34. whodeyz says: May 14, 2012 11:33 AM

    Palmer had A LOT of injuries to deal with last year as he was learning the new playbook. McFadden was out the entire end of the year and all his receivers got banged up.

  35. fearthebengaltiger says: May 14, 2012 11:33 AM

    palmer won cause he proved the bengals cant win without him….caution sarcasm

  36. raiderfankirk says: May 14, 2012 11:33 AM

    Ravenater : That’s real funny coming from a raven fan. You must think Flacco is as good as he thinks he is.

  37. spellingcopfather says: May 14, 2012 11:34 AM

    Let the haters, hate my Raider Nation Fans!!!

  38. sourdough says: May 14, 2012 11:35 AM

    Not really Carson. The Bengals have a long-term answer at QB, got the Raiders 1st round pick and made the playoffs.

    The Raiders? They failed to post a winning record for the ninth straight season.

  39. captainwisdom8888 says: May 14, 2012 11:35 AM

    This guy will be holding a clipboard soon enough…playing behind a younger, more relevant QB hoping for an injury opportunity.

  40. boltfansmith says: May 14, 2012 11:36 AM

    Raiders have a chance with Palmer.

    Not!!!

  41. justwinbaby4life says: May 14, 2012 11:37 AM

    You can’t judge a trade when a player only played half a season. The Raiders gave up too much but was Boller better? Tell me what QB since Gannon was a great QB for the Raiders. If the Raiders didn’t trade for Palmer they wouldn’t have been able to draft Luck or RG3.

    Although you may not like Palmer, who would you trade/draft instead. Don’t say anybody because we all know nobody could just walk in and play.

  42. krimou80 says: May 14, 2012 11:40 AM

    The bengals are good without palmer,The trade made the bengals great, the addition of the trade engineer Hue jackson( former raiders HC) made them Fantastic……Good—-> great—->fantastic!

  43. demolition510 says: May 14, 2012 11:40 AM

    Some of you are so quick to jump the gun – the others just gave a plain hatred for the Raiders.

    Raiders were doing well before Jason Campbell AND DMC went down. Bush could sort of pick up the slack at RB, but Boller at QB?

    Raiders needed to make the trade or else the promising AFC West title would be gone. After 8-9 losing seasons, you pull the trigger on that trade. Al was near hiis time too.

    This isn’t the Kolb trade folks. Considering the short time he was given the playbook and no time with his offense (not just WR), he As good As you can expect.

    Go Raiders! Return to glory.

  44. tatum064 says: May 14, 2012 11:42 AM

    Despite passing for 400 plus yds v. the Chargers in the finale, it was really the defense that simply folded, giving up a 90 something yard drive that killed the Raiders in the finale.

    Odds are the Raiders are likely to pull the plug on Carson following this season. If you look at the moves, they would’ve kept Pryor to develop in year two and three and not gotten Leinart. He is the fall back candidate for 2013, if he gets healthy, gets his confidence back. They are gutting the roster of expensive players and odds are they’ll cut their losses of Seymour and Palmer if they dont roll to 9-7 or better next season. He is simply not built for this type of WC offense, and Leinart is cheaper.

  45. hulkhogansays says: May 14, 2012 11:43 AM

    Palmer might as well join the Concussion lawsuit train as he’s clearly suffering mentally, brother.

  46. tatum064 says: May 14, 2012 11:44 AM

    cooklynn17 says:
    May 14, 2012 11:06 AM
    No Carson what you meant to say it the Bengals won.
    ================================
    Uh, the Ravens and Texans would say otherwise, dude.

    One and done is one and done, no matter how you slice it. The Bengals still play in an infinitely harder division than the Raiders, and I think you know this.

  47. pacodawg says: May 14, 2012 11:44 AM

    Going out On a limb here. Palmer makes terrible decisions

  48. tatum064 says: May 14, 2012 11:48 AM

    oldschoolomen says:
    May 14, 2012 11:13 AM
    I can’t wait to see Palmer playing in Cincinnati this year. I hope Palmer proves people wrong about being washed up, but I also hope he serves up a couple of his patented pick-sixes to Dre Kirkpatrick.

    ===========

    Believe me, Palmer will be just as anxious to light you up the way he lit up the top ranked Charger defense in San Diego on Thursday Night Football.

    RAIDER NATION!!!!!!!!

  49. radrntn says: May 14, 2012 11:49 AM

    sourdough says:
    May 14, 2012 11:35 AM
    Not really Carson. The Bengals have a long-term answer at QB, got the Raiders 1st round pick and made the playoffs.
    ________________________________

    Alex Smith ….enough said niner nimwit…

    all i can say is yes you can still enjoy and relax playing the rams, cards, and seahawks….but can’t wait to watch you play the giants, pats, packers, saints, jets, bears, and lions…….reality check

  50. mistermayhem7 says: May 14, 2012 11:50 AM

    Justwinbaby4life your absolutely spot on. Those other so called football fans can’t allow themselves to objective to see the big picture. “Limited minds” I think both teams made out. Palmer will do fine in Oakland. Most fans post just to their posts while most of us fans laugh and shake our heads wondering, how we as the human race have made it this long. If you can’t find atleast one positive thing about every team in the NFL then your not paying attention. I always say that it’s not the teams I despise it’s other fans that I loathe.

  51. enders9 says: May 14, 2012 11:50 AM

    villa41 says: May 14, 2012 11:10 AM

    Playoff type NFL QB’s are hard to come by, and it’s hard to win consistently without one. Palmer is a playoff type caliber QB. He can make all the throws, read defenses, and go through his progressions. I’ll gladly have him for what we would have gotten for the 17th overall pick. Palmer is the best QB the Raiders have had since Gannon. Case closed. He’ll be at the helm of one of the best offenses in the league this year. If the defense can even get to mediocre, then the Raiders are a play-off team.

    As for the Bengals, just becuase you have draft picks it doen’t mean they will pan out. The jury’s still out on Dalton, as far as ai’m concerned. Josh Freeman looked got his first year too, second year not so good. Overall, both teams did benefit, as Palmer just had enough of Cincy. I’m fine with Oakland’s end of this deal, though

    ————————————–

    The only problem with your “playoff type Quarterback” is the fact that the few times Palmer has led a team to the playoffs, he has lost every game.

  52. tatum064 says: May 14, 2012 11:50 AM

    sourdough says:
    May 14, 2012 11:35 AM
    Not really Carson. The Bengals have a long-term answer at QB, got the Raiders 1st round pick and made the playoffs.

    The Raiders? They failed to post a winning record for the ninth straight season.

    ———

    The Bengals are still the Steelers and Ravens b$%tch until they prove otherwise.

    Their fans and your record against them pretty much prove that – and that one and done v. Texans and smash down by the Ravens pretty much proved it…..

  53. jaimelh02 says: May 14, 2012 11:51 AM

    When Palmer makes the Pro Bowl team this year and leads the Raiders to the playoffs, does that mean the Raiders won the trade?

  54. jaimelh02 says: May 14, 2012 11:56 AM

    Smart fantasy football players need to realize, in the 9 games Palmer started, he threw for the 6th highest amount of passing yards in the league. Now imagine if he has an off-season to learn the playbook and get in sync with his receivers. Can you say fantasy sleeper?

  55. enders9 says: May 14, 2012 11:57 AM

    joetoronto says: May 14, 2012 11:23 AM

    The Bengals got the unknown and the Raiders got the known.

    We’ll see how those draft picks work out in the future, maybe they will and maybe they won’t.

    By the way, Dalton has only played one year, I wouldn’t bet the house on him just yet.

    ————————————–

    The “known” the Raiders got is a QB who has regressed pretty fast over the past three years and has never won a single playoff game. They also got a KNOWN quitter.

    You wouldn’t bet the house on Dalton because he’s only played one year. Well the Bengals already bet the house on Palmer, and after 8 years they had absolutely nothing to show for it. Now the Raiders have bet the house on him and they will very likely end up with the exact same results.

  56. quizguy66 says: May 14, 2012 11:58 AM

    The Bengals have already won the trade. There’s no 2-ways about it from the Bengals side of things. They got maximum value for a guy who quit on them.

    Whether or not the Raiders have also won is still definitely an open question, however. It’s based on how much better Palmer does than Jason Campbell would have done. Right now, I’d say that’s a wash at best, so, no Carson – the Raiders aren’t winners in this trade yet.

    -QG

  57. raiderinva says: May 14, 2012 11:59 AM

    Carson Palmer is an interception throwing machine.

    Trading for him was a hail mary of the worst kind and the team as a whole would have been better off staying the course with Jason Campbell.

    How ironic will it be on November 25 when Carson throws three pickles to CB Dre Kirkpatrick? The only Raider that made out in the trade is Carson because he is not collecting a retirement check yet.

    Fool

  58. neemdaddy13 says: May 14, 2012 12:01 PM

    The Raiders got hosed big time, a has been QB for potentially two first round picks. I think the firing of Hugh (whatever his name is) was the Raiders admitting as much. Palmer wasn’t even that good prior to being a has been.

  59. quizguy66 says: May 14, 2012 12:03 PM

    To answer, @raiderluv’s question:

    If the Raiders make the Conference Championship game this year, the Bengals get their 1st round pick instead of their 2nd round pick. (This also would’ve been triggered if the Raiders made the conference finals last year).

    Basically the pick the Bengals receive from the Raiders will be somwhere between 29th and 60th overall.

    -QG

  60. efriedo says: May 14, 2012 12:06 PM

    humb0lt says:
    “He’s 32, with questionable arm strength”

    Did you watch a single game last year? He threw the long ball with precision! His arm is fine. He’s accurate down the field and can gun it in there over the middle. Do yourself a favor and watch the guy play before you make a stupid comment.

  61. PriorKnowledge says: May 14, 2012 12:08 PM

    Maybe people have forgotten, but Carson Palmer was at one time one of the elite QBs. If he returns to that form, then it will be a steal for the Raiders.

  62. bdawkins20 says: May 14, 2012 12:09 PM

    all usc qbs are average at best. palmer was lucky someone wanted him. raiders… where careers got o die.

  63. cincyhokie says: May 14, 2012 12:09 PM

    tatum064 says:
    May 14, 2012 11:50 AM

    The Bengals are still the Steelers and Ravens b$%tch until they prove otherwise.

    Their fans and your record against them pretty much prove that – and that one and done v. Texans and smash down by the Ravens pretty much proved it…..

    ————————————————–

    So you don’t confuse yourself with trivial “facts”, the Bengals have a 10-8 record against the Ravens since Palmer was drafted 2003. Hardly their b***hes.

    But, I’m sure you were saying the same things 2 seasons ago when the Bengals swept both the Steelers and the Ravens. Right?

  64. cali49er707 says: May 14, 2012 12:10 PM

    radrntn says:
    May 14, 2012 11:49 AM
    sourdough says:
    May 14, 2012 11:35 AM
    Not really Carson. The Bengals have a long-term answer at QB, got the Raiders 1st round pick and made the playoffs.
    ________________________________

    Alex Smith ….enough said niner nimwit…

    all i can say is yes you can still enjoy and relax playing the rams, cards, and seahawks….but can’t wait to watch you play the giants, pats, packers, saints, jets, bears, and lions…….reality check
    —————————— —————————— ———-
    all i have to say is you dont have a leg to stand on “JAMARCUS RUSSEL” ring a bell??? and we beat the lions, saints, & giants last year!!! i have never met more of a delusional fanbase that lives in denial then raider fans, just admit a mistake was made just like the 9ers butchered the alex smith/ arron rodgers pick, we all know who it should have been & so did every 9ER fan the DAY the pick was made!!

  65. biggerballz says: May 14, 2012 12:15 PM

    or they could of waited till the end of last year and drafted luck

  66. doctorcue says: May 14, 2012 12:15 PM

    Look at all these loser Bungle fans posting like their team has ever done anything LOL

    Super Bowl wins? ZERO.

    Talk about how much the Raiders got made over when/if you can win a ring. Until then know you are still 3 trophies behind.

  67. jeremyb91 says: May 14, 2012 12:17 PM

    It’s way too early to tell who won/lost this trade.

    Last year was a complete wash for the Raiders because it would have been impossible for ANY QB to come into a team midseason and be successful. The most important part of last season was learning that Palmer’s arm strength is as good as it’s ever been. A full offseason of learning the system and getting some timing down with his receivers will allow him to do well this year.

    As for Cincy, until the draft picks actually play will anyone be able to ascertain whether they “won” the trade.

  68. villa41 says: May 14, 2012 12:18 PM

    I’ll have Palmer’s back as long as it takes. Wow, you Bengal fans are really bitter, and the haters are out in force. You know why? Because you’re scared. You know the long list of comedians (i.e., Collins, Brooks, McNown, Walter, Culpepper, Gradkowski, Russell, etc.) calling themselves Raider QB’s has come to an end, and Palmer gives us a chance in every game.

    I watched every game last season, and Plamer is far from washed up. Anyone who says differently either doesn’t know what they’re watching or is outright misrepresenting things. Most of Palmer’s picks were in the first two games back, and he should not have even played in the KC game. his arm strength is fine, go back to the tape and watch the Denver game and San Diego Monday night game. He made throws into tight windows few QB’s can. Yeah keep believing hard Palmer is washed up. If you beleive it, then maybe it will make it so.

    Can’t wait for the Cincy game. Might just make the road trip for that and help you sell out your half empty stadium. I have a felling more Raider fans will be there than Bengal fans that day.

  69. ninerdynasty says: May 14, 2012 12:19 PM

    fleecedradrntn says: May 14, 2012 11:49 AM

    sourdough says:
    May 14, 2012 11:35 AM
    Not really Carson. The Bengals have a long-term answer at QB, got the Raiders 1st round pick and made the playoffs.
    ________________________________

    Alex Smith ….enough said niner nimwit…

    all i can say is yes you can still enjoy and relax playing the rams, cards, and seahawks….but can’t wait to watch you play the giants, pats, packers, saints, jets, bears, and lions…….reality check
    —————————————–
    Here’s your reality check in case u didnt watch last season’s games:
    Lions vs Niners- Niners won
    Giants vs Niners – tied series
    Saints vs Niners – Niners won

    the Jets? really dude? u really think the jets have a chance against the niners? *pass me the pipe*

    out of that list you threw, the packers are probably the only team that will be a challenge and you bet they’ll get a run for their $..

    Reality check for you.. the bronco TWICE!

  70. chipper41 says: May 14, 2012 12:22 PM

    would any other team in the league give the raiders a 1st and a 2nd right now for carson palmer?

    if not scoreboard goes to the bengals

  71. raidersteveo says: May 14, 2012 12:23 PM

    Love how everyone hates the Raiders more than they like their own team

  72. yelix says: May 14, 2012 12:28 PM

    Carson may have the talent of a good NFL quarterback, but he doesn’t have the backbone. This guy has made a career out of choking when it counts. The Raiders may have a decent offense, but I get the feeling that they will be fighting with San Diego for third place in the division.

  73. r81ders says: May 14, 2012 12:32 PM

    okay so the way the RAIDERS been drafting 1st round picks and paying them that much money c-mon man i will always pic a vet over a bust…case closed we needed a QB someone please give me a name that can run that offense with Mac anybody please..

  74. pskotte says: May 14, 2012 12:33 PM

    Carson Quitter has not been a franchise QB since 2005 when he lost his mojo to Kimo Van O. Sorry Raiduh fans you did not get fair value in trade. Actually I hope they do well enough this year (except vs. Bengals) to give Cincy the #1 pick escalator clause, so no hard feelings.

  75. chipper41 says: May 14, 2012 12:36 PM

    Carson Palmer is the Drew Bledsoe of this generation. Only not as good

  76. realskipbayless says: May 14, 2012 12:47 PM

    Hue Jackson got the head coach job for the raiders so he could help the bengals get rid of a quitting washed up bum. Thank you Hue.

  77. Raider-in-PA says: May 14, 2012 12:47 PM

    It’s pretty sad that losing a QB is all the Bengals have to beat their chests about…

    Cant wait for the whipping the Silver & Black will put on you in your own stadium this season… Keep on hating, Raider Nation expects and LOVES it!!

  78. oaklegend says: May 14, 2012 12:49 PM

    Raiders overpaid BUT they still made out better than had they stuck with Jason Campbell. I was sad to see JC go down, but Palmer transforms these receivers where everyone was waiting for Campbell to be transformed.

    As a Raider fan I got very used to wacky trades. There’s no doubt Hue Jackson was a little too pumped about making this one work out. That said, in the end I think Carson’s right.

  79. humb0lt says: May 14, 2012 12:51 PM

    efriedo says:

    “Did you watch a single game last year? He threw the long ball with precision! His arm is fine. He’s accurate down the field and can gun it in there over the middle. Do yourself a favor and watch the guy play before you make a stupid comment.”

    Yeah, I watched Carson throw a game-ending 4th quarter INT to the Chargers’ Antoine Cason with the Raiders’ season on the line.

  80. losraiders says: May 14, 2012 12:54 PM

    I love all the Hate the Raiders get from everybody. You guys are delusional if you think Palmer is washed up. Look at the film from last year, yes he had a ton of Picks but who can blame him? He came off the coach and was thrown into the grid iron the following week..He didn’t know the play book, the receivers, the entire damn team. Our defense was a joke last year. The only reason we didn’t make playoffs was because of our Atrocious Defense…

    The RAIDERS will make playoffs this year….you heard it here first!!

  81. cgalaxy says: May 14, 2012 12:55 PM

    As a Bengals fan, I was ready for Palmer to go and I’m glad people finally started acknowledging that his play had went downhill. People made excuses for his sketchy performances for years, and while it definitely wasn’t all on him (offensive coordinator, player personnel decisions–you know, the typical Mike Brown/Bengals issues), there were too many times when it clearly was him.

    I always liked him, though, and he deserves props for sticking it to Mike Brown. I hope he does revive his career. But the fact that he threw just about as many picks in one-half of a season as Dalton did in his entire rookie season (and Dalton had a condensed offseason due to the strike) would worry me, even if he was learning the Raiders offense. Just don’t make excuses for him forever like people did in Cincy.

  82. beelicker says: May 14, 2012 12:56 PM

    Here’s another thing about Palmer besides the maddeningly consistent penchant for INTs … despite some of the absolutely largest hands in the entire league he’s a fumble factory.

    It’s almost like ball security in the pocket is a foreign concept to him.

    Of course, some of the habitual pick-6 problem was from him being in the same offense (with its emphasis on option reads & throwing to spots) for 10 years. Kurt Warner in St Louis also had the similar problem of high INT totals during his early years in basically the same scheme.

  83. treesloth16 says: May 14, 2012 1:01 PM

    Andy Dalton was a good pick, but I am doubting Kirkpatrick. His 40yrd time was in the low 4.5, and I can’t find his shuttle or cone times. Compare this to Revis, 4.35 40, 4.08 shuttle, 6.56 cone; great numbers. Yeah, sure Dre competed against the best, but his team had/has great talent. He might be a good zone CB, but probably can’t cover #1 receivers like V.Jax, C.Johnson, A.Johnson, etc.

  84. pantherpro says: May 14, 2012 1:06 PM

    Raiders got ripped off again! Looking at another 6-10 season with lots of blackouts. Meanwhile, your friends across the bay continue to dominate the news. Raider fans continue to be angry, bitter and yes stupid!

  85. mullman7675 says: May 14, 2012 1:11 PM

    The true value of the trade will be realized at the end of this season.

    The RAIDERS controlled their own destiny in Week 17 and failed to finish, allowing the broncos to back into the playoffs. The RAIDERS missing the playoffs was more of a result McFadden being injured, not pulling Carson off the couch.

    Say what you want bengal fans, we shall see what happens this year.
    Remember, you are the bengals- empty trophy case- don’t forget that.

  86. 3milelyle says: May 14, 2012 1:13 PM

    Funny how fans of teams with no championships are always the biggest haters. Yeah you got urselves a good trade but we got ourselves a qb. Not a game manager like Campbell, Carson threw for more in the finale than Campbell would have thrown in 2 games.
    For ur guys sake Hopefully Andy doesn’t regress.

  87. mullman7675 says: May 14, 2012 1:17 PM

    @humbolt: …and I’m certain you and your bolt buddies rejoiced as if you won the Superbowl- so happy that the RAIDERS got bumped, relishing yet another regular season win. Falcons, seahawks, panthers, chargers…. That’s your company buddy, the fraternity of 0-1 in the only game that matters…

  88. paul82461 says: May 14, 2012 1:19 PM

    Just remember Campbell, McFadden and a few Raider recievers along the way also went down. Palmer will have more time with the playbook and the weapons will be back.

  89. justwinbaby29 says: May 14, 2012 1:25 PM

    Palmer had some bad games (Kansas City where he was thrown right into action and GB where the Raiders had no chance) but he had some darn good games too.

    At San Diego- 14/200, 299, 2 TDs, 125 QB Rating

    At Minnesota- 17/23, 164, 1 TD, 108, QB Rating

    vs Lions – 32/40, 367, 1 TD, 113 QB Rating

    vs SD – 28/43, 417, 2 TD, 102 QB Rating

    The Raiders lost the Lions/SD games at home because their defense was HORRIBLE.

    Palmer isn’t elite but to say he stinks it just saying I am a Raider hater. He is PLENTY good enough to win with. A SB, maybe not..but a playoff team yes. I’d take him over Tony Romo I’ll tell you that.

  90. cannonballdookie says: May 14, 2012 1:30 PM

    It was a bad trade but Palmer should still be the best QB they’ve had in a while. Yes he turned over the ball a lot last season but he came onto a team midseason and learned everything on the fly and still had a better completion percentage and YPA than he had the past two seasons in Cinci, two very good indicators of his progress at quarterback. The vertical passing game is back in Oakland, Al Davis would be impressed.

  91. war27 says: May 14, 2012 1:32 PM

    humb0lt says: May 14, 2012 12:51 PM

    efriedo says:

    “Did you watch a single game last year? He threw the long ball with precision! His arm is fine. He’s accurate down the field and can gun it in there over the middle. Do yourself a favor and watch the guy play before you make a stupid comment.”

    Yeah, I watched Carson throw a game-ending 4th quarter INT to the Chargers’ Antoine Cason with the Raiders’ season on the line.

    ————

    So you’re saying you didn’t watch the game? if you did you’d know what happened.

  92. samoanjungle says: May 14, 2012 1:51 PM

    First round picks are overrated.

    We got Dre Kirkpatrick so far and prob a second rounder next year. Who knows if they will be good or flat out busts?

    The Raiders got a QB that is good for 3,000 – 4,000 yards/yr. It’s a known commodity vs. potential of the 2 draft picks.

    I don’t think he should be judged by last year’s performance considering being pulled off the couch mid-season and the year before that he had WRs that ran routes however they felt like from play to play. Anyone see Brady completing much to Ocho? Notice Brady is always having to coach Chad on his route?

    If he is healthy, he is a Franchise QB.

  93. ademell1 says: May 14, 2012 2:00 PM

    A lot of haters here, and their logic is not sound.

    It’s so EASY to say the Raiders got fleeced. And you know, they did probably give up too much looking at it now…but if the Raiders are able to challenge for a Superbowl, who cares?

    Palmer and Mcfadden didn’t even play 1 SNAP together last year, and their season still came down to the wire just missing the playoffs because of POOR defensive play.

    Palmer is going to light it up this year and haters are gonna be like, “Oh whatever, he’s still gonna turn 33 this year can’t do it forever..” and blah blah blah.

    I think a lot of people, especially analysts, don’t wanna say the Raiders/Carson Palmer can or will do well in case they fall on their face. But Al is gone.

    The old defensive philosophy is GONE. Palmer is better than Gannon, and Gannon won an MVP or something like that right?

    Gannon also had some full off-seasons with his teammates to help their chances of winning.

    Why don’t we let Palmer get 1 off-season/season together with his new team before we completely write off him and the Raiders and assume they’ll be nothing….when the reality of it all is that ppl know the Raiders can be a very dangerous team with their offensive talent.

    They just don’t want to admit it.

  94. ch8878 says: May 14, 2012 2:04 PM

    First off neither Palmer or Dalton had a year to brag about but Palmer didn’t go to the Raiders till the half way point of the season.

    Second Dre Kirkpatrick is one of these problem players that the Bengals always think they can help get better so more then likely we’ll look back at his career and say he was a bust.

    Third more then likely there won’t be 3 teams from the AFC North again in the playoffs maybe just 1 team from the AFC North will make the playoffs sorry Bungals fans not you guys.

    Forth seeing there has been a new AFC West champ the last 3 years the Raiders will make it 4 years in a row this coming season.

    Finally to even mention Dalton is nuts because he had nothing to do with the Palmer trade the Raiders traded 1 1st round pick (Dre Kirkpatrick) who more then likely won’t pan-out and a 2nd round pick next year this was no doubt a win for the Raiders.

  95. mikebrownistheworstownerinprosports says: May 14, 2012 2:18 PM

    3milelyle says: May 14, 2012 1:13 PM

    Funny how fans of teams with no championships are always the biggest haters. Yeah you got urselves a good trade but we got ourselves a qb. Not a game manager like Campbell, Carson threw for more in the finale than Campbell would have thrown in 2 games.
    For ur guys sake Hopefully Andy doesn’t regress.
    —————————————————

    When was your last championship? 1984? Not many fans are even old enough to remember that anymore. I care about now, and the Bengals are a better team than the Raiders NOW. No doubt about it. November 25th? Can’t wait.

  96. bboysho says: May 14, 2012 2:45 PM

    ONCE mark Davis made that trade not hue for all the hue haters mark Davis alrdy said it was the hardest thing he has ever had todo!

  97. raideralex99 says: May 14, 2012 2:49 PM

    Fact: the last time the Raiders actually had a top 10 QB … they went to the SB.

  98. spinmovr says: May 14, 2012 3:39 PM

    To all of the blabbermouths spouting a QB’s record:

    Don’t attribute team wins and losses to the quarterback’s name.

    QBs run offenses and throw passes.

    They do not cover kicks, rush the passer, pass block, cover deep zones or run bump and run coverage.

    It’s team game full of specialists. QBs are very important but they don’t win or lose games by themselves.

    Stop it.

  99. raideralex7 says: May 14, 2012 4:12 PM

    The Broncos spent a 1st rounder on Tebow.

    The Cardinals traded a high 1st-round talent for Kevin Kolb.

    Palmer is easily worth a mid-low 1st rounder and a 2nd.

    Without him, this is a 4 win team, again. With him, one D stop from the playoffs last year.

  100. enders9 says: May 14, 2012 4:41 PM

    I love how the Raider fans are talking about playoffs and superbowls… you play in the AFC West, which is one of the worst divisions in the NFL (if not THE worst division) and you couldn’t make the playoffs. Try making the playoffs first, right now the Raiders aren’t even close to challenging for a Superbowl. Your defense has taken a step back, and now you have no one to back up McFadden when he gets hurt.

  101. enders9 says: May 14, 2012 4:44 PM

    raideralex99 says: May 14, 2012 2:49 PM

    Fact: the last time the Raiders actually had a top 10 QB … they went to the SB.

    —————————————

    Fact: They don’t have a top 10 QB right now.

  102. johntonioholmes says: May 14, 2012 4:57 PM

    No, the Raiders lost…

  103. cjmoderator says: May 14, 2012 5:54 PM

    all I know… if I’m the Bengals G.M. I’m making this trade 100 out of 100 times, If Campbell doesn’t get hurt do the Raiders make this trade 100 out of 100 times? Didn’t think so…So, Bengals win.

  104. raiderapologist says: May 14, 2012 7:55 PM

    humb0lt says: May 14, 2012 12:51 PM

    Yeah, I watched Carson throw a game-ending 4th quarter INT to the Chargers’ Antoine Cason with the Raiders’ season on the line.

    Palmer didn’t give up 38 points in that game. He threw for over 400 yards and had an unfortunate pick that could be put on the receiver, if you wanted to nitpick. Rivers has been starting for the same team since 2006, and he had 20 picks last season. With San Diego’s season on the line last year, Rivers gave up 2 picks and put up 10 points against the Lions. Those things happen, even to humb0lt’s hero. “I believe in you, Philip.”

  105. slowtoronto says: May 14, 2012 8:42 PM

    Joe Toronto always leaves his mark (mostly because of the anal leakage thing).

  106. commitment2excrement says: May 14, 2012 9:12 PM

    raideralex99 says:
    May 14, 2012 2:49 PM
    Fact: the last time the Raiders actually had a top 10 QB … they went to the SB.

    And tossed a record breaking 5 picks. Now if the Raiders somehow make it back to the superbowl, they will have a QB capable of shattering that record!

  107. raiderapologist says: May 14, 2012 10:51 PM

    slowtoronto says: May 14, 2012 8:42 PM

    Joe Toronto always leaves his mark (mostly because of the anal leakage thing).

    Nobody wants to know about your sex life, but mouthwash might help you forget.

  108. demolition510 says: May 15, 2012 12:28 AM

    So Humdolt- did you watch the 1st game? You know, the Thursday Night one?

    Which QB joined the analysts afterwards?

  109. murfdeezy says: May 15, 2012 10:04 AM

    Look people, I’m not going to pretend that the price wasn’t steep for Palmer…and that Hue Jackson doesn’t have a man crush on him, but the trade is done. Do we make it if Campbell doesn’t get hurt….of course not….but he did get hurt and we were 4-2 and Mcfadden was leading the league in rushing, or pretty damn close…so do we go with Kyle Boller with 10 games to go? I don’t think so.

    For all of you Bengals fans that are yucking it up like you raped us or something and talking about pointless picks….you are as delusional as we supposedly are if you think Andy Dalton is the long term solution after one decent season. There are an awful lot of young QBs in this league that have a good year….one or maybe two. You are getting way ahead of yourselves if you think that Dalton and Kirpatrick make this a landslide win for you.

    Carson Palmer was thrown into a game when he was all of about 2 hours of the freakin couch last year…because Boller proved it would have been suicide for the season if we went with him, and he managed to prove that it one half of football….so I would say our situation was pretty desperate. He also lost his starting RB, the receiving corps was decimated, and his defense was practically the worst in the league…thanks to upchuck bresnahan. The whole world was on Tebow’s jock last year and he was one Raider’s stop away from going home. He was a first rounder…and the Broncos D was damn good.

    I expect Carson Palmer to be very good this year, but I agree that there are no more excuses. I’m not making any predictions but I think we will have a decent look at the post season, if we can hold off Manning and the Donkeys. The Bengals….well….we’ll see, but I wouldn’t be holding my breathe if I was in Cincy…especially since I went home trophyless again last year. We may still be losers here in Oakland…but at least we know it, and we recognized the steps toward improvement are being made, so we are optimistic. The Bengals still think they are a good team after one decent season? We will see who the delusional ones are after this season….I have a feeling it will sort itself out.

  110. cjmoderator says: May 16, 2012 12:57 AM

    @murfdeezy

    I believe it ALREADY has been sorted out…pay attention son…the Bengals are for real

  111. bangitfootball says: May 17, 2012 12:46 PM

    Carson Palmer YOU FUNNY MAN!!!!!!

    Raiders got their pockets picked on that one.

  112. londonbengal says: May 17, 2012 2:11 PM

    @ ‘ch8878′ says…..

    ‘neither Palmer or Dalton had a year to brag about…………..’

    ==================================

    Are you kidding me ?

    Andy Dalton had one of the most successful rookie seasons in NFL history.

    A rookie QB, with a rookie OC, taking a ‘n0-hope’ team to the play-offs without a full training camp…..

    Still, I know one thing for sure, Andy Dalton himself would probably be the last guy to brag about anything………

  113. iknowurider72 says: May 17, 2012 4:05 PM

    Carson’s trying to claim he’s not a quitter. Carson you quit on the city, you quit on your teammates, you quit on the fans. That pretty much sums up your leadership abilities as a QB in the NFL.

    Dalton has a fraction of the natural talent you were blessed with, but he has the intangibles. He’s a leader of men. For the first time in 20+ years I actually believe the Bengals are moving in the right direction.

  114. dino2997 says: May 17, 2012 6:13 PM

    Bengals won the trade. Hands down!

  115. slapyourselfstupid says: May 18, 2012 3:33 PM

    doctorcue says:
    May 14, 2012 12:15 PM

    Super Bowl wins? ZERO.

    Talk about how much the Raiders got made over when/if you can win a ring. Until then know you are still 3 trophies behind.

    Dude, let it GO! The only safety net and last card you can and always will play is the “we have 3 rings” statement. Its a cop out for failing to bring an informative rebuttal to the discussion. We can only assess how good of a quarterback Carson is after this season with a full training camp and preseason to develop. For coming in last year, he did an OK job. But did you expect? He is a Quarterback who we know has the ability to lead a team to the playoffs. Remember, had the Raiders not folded to the Chargers in the finale, the 2011 AFC West championship banner would be hanging in Oakland. It was there for any of those three average teams to have. The Chargers underperformed and were injury plagued. The Raiders were the better team last year in the Division, no doubt. However this year we have to take a wait and see approach to really evaluate where the Raiders are.

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