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Lions rookies talk about the fun of knocking an opponent out

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Most NFL players have learned by now that the politically correct thing to say in football is that you never want to hurt an opponent. But a couple of Lions rookies demonstrated at this weekend’s minicamp that they haven’t gotten the memo.

Ronnell Lewis and Travis Lewis aren’t related, but they were teammates at Oklahoma and were both drafted by the Lions this year, and they both have a similar attitude toward the enjoyment they get from laying a good lick on someone when they’re flying down the field on special teams. Travis Lewis says it’s a pleasure watching Ronnell hit.

“Call up his highlights on YouTube on kickoffs and you’ll know why we call him the Hammer,” Travis Lewis told Bob Wojnowski of the Detroit News. “The guy straight out flies around to the ball, and on special teams, he’ll be a demon. He’s a load and he hustles.”

Nothing wrong with that, but some eyebrows will surely be raised in the league office about the glee Travis described in seeing Ronnell knock an opponent out.

“We were playing [Texas] A&M and he knocked someone clearly out on kickoff, but the guy tried to get up. If you’ve ever seen a roach or something with its leg cut off and trying to wobble around — the guy tried to get up and fell. He tried to work his way to the huddle and he fell again. Concussions are never funny, but being on the opposite team and witnessing that, it was pretty hilarious, I’m not gonna lie,” Travis Lewis said.

Ronnell Lewis remembers the hit Travis is thinking about and also enjoyed seeing his opponent hurt.

“I believe I gave the [Texas A&M] guy a concussion,” Ronnell Lewis said. “He fell three times before he got to the sideline. It was kind of cool to see. I just want to bring that to this level, that’s the whole reason I feel I’m here. What’s the best part [of special teams]? If your opponent is still laying down on the ground.”

Those aren’t the kinds of comments the NFL wants to hear, but the reality is that most NFL players are hard-wired to relish the contact of the sport, and many of them are pleased with themselves when they hit an opponent hard enough that he has a hard time getting up. Ronnell Lewis knows the NFL is preaching safety, but he has no intention of changing.

“I’m just gonna continue doing what I’ve been doing,” he said. “I’ll learn from it, that’s all I can do. I’m not gonna let up because of some rule. I’m gonna continue to hit harder.”

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  1. footballfanatic1906 says: May 14, 2012 11:54 AM

    Fits right in with Suh-er

  2. acerockefellar says: May 14, 2012 11:54 AM

    What do you expect? its the lions…

  3. mistermayhem7 says: May 14, 2012 11:55 AM

    Idiots

  4. bcb1999 says: May 14, 2012 11:55 AM

    Wow…so, when is that Rookie Symposium? Sounds like they need to go over what not to say to the media.

  5. radrntn says: May 14, 2012 11:55 AM

    sorry commisioner, it’s all part of the game…..i still love suh as well. (I just think he would look better in silver and black, just my opinion)

  6. cali49er707 says: May 14, 2012 11:58 AM

    with suh already on the team, these two should fit right in!!

  7. buzzardpointlookout says: May 14, 2012 11:58 AM

    Shut up, rookies. Both of you.

  8. dfinpds says: May 14, 2012 11:58 AM

    Another example of players that don’t get it……you’re going to the right place guys…….suh…..shwartz……these two mental giants will fit in perfectly with the lions………pathetic……

  9. cardmagnet says: May 14, 2012 11:59 AM

    They’ll fit right in with Ndonkeykong Suh.

  10. bobwhitequail says: May 14, 2012 12:00 PM

    Idiots.

    Now out in paperback by Lewis and Lewis:
    “How to start racking up foolish fines in the NFL from day 1!”

  11. pftcensorssuck says: May 14, 2012 12:00 PM

    “We were playing [Texas] A&M and he knocked someone clearly out on kickoff, but the guy tried to get up. If you’ve ever seen a roach or something with its leg cut off and trying to wobble around — the guy tried to get up and fell. He tried to work his way to the huddle and he fell again. Concussions are never funny, but being on the opposite team and witnessing that, it was pretty hilarious, I’m not gonna lie,” Travis Lewis said
    ———————————————————-
    Let’s see someone knock Travis Lewis that senseless, and see if he’s still laughing.

  12. hulkhogansays says: May 14, 2012 12:00 PM

    The Rooks can thank the wussification of America and all thesde money grubbing ex Jocks in the huge lawsuit for ruining the fun.

  13. smyant says: May 14, 2012 12:01 PM

    “Concussions are never funny, but being on the opposite team and witnessing that, it was pretty hilarious, I’m not gonna lie,” Travis Lewis said.

    That has to be one of the dumbest sentences I have ever heard. Clearly contradicting yourself in one short sentence…. classic

  14. irishgary says: May 14, 2012 12:01 PM

    The next franchise to have multiple players/coaches suspended.

    Amazing how that organization does not learn.

  15. pturner81 says: May 14, 2012 12:02 PM

    people commenting here clearly never played football. Hard hits are awesome and should never leave the game. That is why we love the game

  16. baddegg says: May 14, 2012 12:02 PM

    A-holes…

    Yes, it’s a part of the game to be rough and lay folks out. But to say that it’s “cool” to give a man a concussion, which could seriously reduce the length and quality of his life, is just f-d up.

    It’s because of guys like this that Goddell is trying to “clean the league up.” You don’t like Goddell for what he’s doing, but morons like this don’t exactly help the cause…

  17. JC says: May 14, 2012 12:04 PM

    First of all, anyone criticizing this has never put pads on before. EVERY player wants to deliver that blow, that big hit. What these guys are doing is just talking about it. They even mention how concussions aren’t funny things yet you all buy the headline which isn’t even an accurate reflection of the quotes. Sheep.

  18. nicksabansanahole says: May 14, 2012 12:04 PM

    Its about time. Everybody knows what the risks are. You play to win the game. If you can knock your opponent out legally, then by all means have at it. I expect the NFL to be tougher than the rest of the wusses in the United States these days. Thats why I like it. If you don’t then don’t watch, don’t ruin the best game on the planet for the rest of us with your wimpy crying.

  19. klandon52 says: May 14, 2012 12:05 PM

    Should they keep quiet about this stuff amid the concussion-laden news headlines? Of course . . but, you have to love the attitude mindset of these guys. Every linebacker/special teamer should have this mindset, but they should keep it to themselves and the guys in the lockerroom.

  20. kathyisintheroom says: May 14, 2012 12:05 PM

    The comments from those two players are some of the most heinous I have ever heard. They are more graphic than any comment that escaped Greg Williams mouth.
    I am “sick to my stomach” right now.

    So since Greg Williams, Joe Vitt, Sean Payton and 4 players have been suspended for words less serious, when can we expect suspensions to be handed down against these two?

    Seriously.
    The Saints have been punished for nothing more than ramblings from Greg Williams.
    No penalties against the team.
    No player knocked out of a game.
    No proof of money being paid out.
    No fines for dirty hits.
    No evidence offered by the league(only doctored and altered statements)

    These two rookies should be banned from the league forever then, based on the “evidence” from their own mouths , right?

  21. bearsrulepackdrool says: May 14, 2012 12:06 PM

    I see nothing wrong with the comments. Just as long as the hits were legal. If that opposing player had suffered a concussion, then so be it. It’s their job to block you, on kickoff, so they initiated the contact. That means they didn’t take proper precautions to protect themselves.

  22. imjinbrdgr says: May 14, 2012 12:06 PM

    Brilliant move to alert the officials of this attitude.

  23. Deb says: May 14, 2012 12:08 PM

    They’ve been with the Lions what? Two minutes? They’re Schwartz’s problem now, but that attitude didn’t come from Detroit. Maybe someone should have a chat with Bob Stoops.

  24. crimhollingsworth says: May 14, 2012 12:08 PM

    The Lions need to step their game up. The 49ers beat them at the concussion game as well as on the scoreboard.

  25. uslim2nun says: May 14, 2012 12:08 PM

    WOW….they will learn to keep there mouth shut eventually

  26. burgundyngold4evr says: May 14, 2012 12:09 PM

    I have to say that I like. Football is a collision sport. Sometimes you just enjoy laying someone out.
    For any NFL players, that is paid to just hit people, ever said that they didnt enjoy some of the big hits are flat out lying. Just because most NFL players have a filter on what the say (these guys are rookies and still need to learn) it doesn’t mean its not a enjoyed part of the game to lay someone out

  27. captainwisdom8888 says: May 14, 2012 12:09 PM

    We’re living in an age where social media dominates, and any political incorrectness is magnified to the point where pro players often choose not to speak truthfully to the media.

    These guys are just too young and dumb to properly feed reporters BS with a few clichés mixed in. They’ll learn…maybe.

  28. footballfanatic1906 says: May 14, 2012 12:10 PM

    Wait until he shakes his coach’s hand too hard oh boy he’s in trouble then!!!

  29. hoosiercolts says: May 14, 2012 12:14 PM

    We are talking about football right?!?!? In Pop Warner it was fun to put a really good hit on guys. Hell, even in practice it was fun. If you play defense and don’t like to hit people, you’ll never make it to the NFL. Those of you trashing these guys have probably never played a down of football in your life or you did but you were too busy avoiding contact. Grow a pair and stop being tools. It’s football, not soccer. We love bit hits. A really big hit is worth the price of admission. There’s a reason they wear pads. They never said they were trying to hurt the guy, just hit him so hard he’s blowing snot bubbles.

  30. nflsecurity862 says: May 14, 2012 12:21 PM

    Greg Williams and the Saints are drooling over these two. They would fit very well in a bounty scheme!!

  31. pike573 says: May 14, 2012 12:23 PM

    We can all be PC about and I do appreciate the attempts to protect players but let’s be honest, if these kids didn’t hit like that then they wouldn’t be in the league (or have played at OU). So is their crime playing like that or saying it? If the crime is saying it, then we have a bigger issue.

  32. devildog911 says: May 14, 2012 12:24 PM

    These rookies won’t even last a year. Watch them end the season with concussions.

  33. granadafan says: May 14, 2012 12:30 PM

    It’s football. You’re supposed to hit the guy as hard as you can… legally. He’s a guy you want on your team though he needs to shut his mouth some. Don’t give Roger any more ammo for his draconian desire to avoid more lawsuits.

  34. bbeaman78 says: May 14, 2012 12:30 PM

    Maybe after we put dresses on everyone you liberal pansies will be happy. The physical nature of football is what makes it football. Maybe the people who are replying with “idiots” and they fit in with Suh, I hope your team wins the flag footbal contest that Goodell is creating.

    The game is physical and I can’t believe these athletes get a $100 million and are broke before they retire (TO, Mark Brunelle, Warren Sapp) and it is blamed on concussions. Mismanaging your money and claiming concussions made you spend all your money shouldn’t alter the game of football. Players want more money, less practice, and less contact. Football is trending to be a joke with Hitler…..errrr….Goodell as commissioner.

    You get paid that kind of money, the physical nature of the game is part of it. When everyday people can barely afford to go to the games and these athletes blow their money like they do, no one feels sorry for them.

    The concussions and lawsuits are the ex-players trying to get one last cash-grab after blowing all of their earnings, and ex-players trying to cash-in on the game being 10 times more profitable than when they played.

    Good luck to all your teams, maybe they will start giving defensive points for the softest tackle.

    What a joke! Get over it!

  35. dawgsafety13 says: May 14, 2012 12:31 PM

    Is this intent to injure or an honest reaction to a clean-hits affect?

    You people are beyond irrational.

  36. beastup22 says: May 14, 2012 12:32 PM

    Are we really condemning these kids for talking about laying someone out? Last time I checked that’s what they are supposed to do. I’m secretly hoping the popularity of the NFL decreases to around the level of hockey. Then all the idiots who know nothing about the game will be gone and we can get back to the game. This is the biggest non-story in an era of non-stories that I have ever read. This is a joke!!

  37. hatesycophants says: May 14, 2012 12:37 PM

    Bull. The league has made no mention of not wanting to hear comments about hard hits. That’s your misunderstanding of their position. If you have ever knocked a snot-bubble out of an opposing player, then you know the great satisfaction that comes with it. It doesn’t make you a bad person. It doesn’t make you a dirty player. It makes you a football player.

    Just happened to find comments about college football hits from two Lions rookies?

    Hey kathyisintheroom, please leave.

    Go Lions! Go Badgers!

  38. bbeaman78 says: May 14, 2012 12:40 PM

    The state of game with all you people being offended because another player talks about hitting a guy (cleanly I might add) and knocking him out is part of Football. This game is about being bigger, faster, and stronger. Last I checked “safer” wasn’t a part of that. Raise your hand if you played football at any level and your coach said ” hit ‘em, but don’t hurt him, and maybe give him a hug afterward”

    I tried to knock out other players, cleanly, when I played on a much lower level. It was celebrated. We had a shirt for “Stick of the week”

    HITTING IS PART OF FOOTBALL! I wanna puke.

    These guys are stating what is said at practices and in lockerooms even after the bounty scandal.

    FYI – Every hit Ronnell and Travis made in college was legit and clean. Ronnell’s closing speed and explosion through a tackle is incredible. But yet all of you are mad because he admitted he enjoyed laying out another guy.

    I hope Ronnell or Travis knocks out a player on your team. FYI I’m not a Detroit fan.

  39. mrlaloosh says: May 14, 2012 12:40 PM

    Great attitudes for these rookies. Real passion to play FOOTBALL! Lions will be a real handful this year, especially if Fairley gets his injuries under control.

    WHO DAT! Beaux Saints!

  40. ndallasruss says: May 14, 2012 12:40 PM

    “kathyisintheroom says:
    May 14, 2012 12:05 PM

    The comments from those two players are some of the most heinous I have ever heard. They are more graphic than any comment that escaped Greg Williams mouth.

    I am “sick to my stomach” right now.”

    ————————–

    Kathy – you’re going to want to make sure that your boys are really good at swimming and tennis. You’re also going to want to home school them. Maybe make sure they have a job working from (your) home afterwards.

    The most heinous comments you have EVER heard? SICK TO YOUR STOMACH? Either you’ve mastered the art of hyperbole, or you live in a small artist commune somewhere in New Mexico.

    Football is fun. Part of the reason it’s fun is because it’s allowed, and encouraged, for men to knock the crap out of each other. The hits that make a player the proudest are often the ones that hurt the other player the most. I’m sorry if that offends your peace, love and happiness sensibilities, but it’s the honest truth.

  41. wludford says: May 14, 2012 12:44 PM

    And Lions fans keep wondering why the rest of the League thinks they are a class-less organization….

  42. petersonhandshake says: May 14, 2012 12:48 PM

    What a bunch of sissies calling these guys idiots. Maybe they should click over to ProBaseballTalk.

  43. mullman7675 says: May 14, 2012 12:48 PM

    So, what’s the problem?

    It’s time to realize that what goes on between the lines on a FOOTBALL field can not be applied to “everyday” life. These athletes are wired to play the game this way, that is why they play this VIOLENT game and we go to work on Monday.

    We are getting soft as a society as a whole. We are more worried about hurting feelings and being “PC” instead of calling it like it is.

    The next step is that the Superbowl champ still gets a nice trophy and rings for all- and so nobody gets their feelings hurt, the league will pass out 31 “Participation Ribbons” to every team/players that didn’t win.
    Good on ya’ rookies- go get ‘em… The guys on the other side knowmwhat they signed up for. Hit or be hit, concuss or be concussed- it’s an easy decision ladies….

  44. alaricsrevenge says: May 14, 2012 12:49 PM

    Maybe they were just stoned, like the rest of the Lions roster.

  45. freebird2011 says: May 14, 2012 12:50 PM

    In response to the comments of 2012 7th Rd Lions draft pick Travis Lewis, NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell has decided to abolish kickoffs altogether. Each team will be given the ball at their own 20 yard line to start a possession.

    In other news, the kickoff returners union, led by Josh Cribbs and Stefon Logan, are picketing NFL offices.

  46. petersonhandshake says: May 14, 2012 12:51 PM

    What’s next? Boxing and MMA banning headshots?

  47. 2ndaryinsanity says: May 14, 2012 12:53 PM

    I understand that football is, by it’s very nature, a violent sport. Players still chose to play the game, despite the risk of injury… Concussions, broken bones, torn ligaments/tendons, and in extreme and rare cases- paralysis or even death.
    I understand they get paid to hit/tackle each other and take pride in hitting as hard as they can. I understand this mentality is especially present on special teams.
    I wonder how these rookies would like it if the cleat was on the other foot??? I doubt they would see the humor if an opponent gave them a concussion and laughed about it in the media afterwards.
    I believe it’s in extremely poor taste to make fun of someone you gave a concussion. Maybe they don’t care that after someone suffers a concussion, it puts them at a higher risk to get more concussions in the future. This can threaten/end a player’s career. Their teammate, Javad Best is an example of this. Maybe he can explain the serious nature of concussions to these two immature and thoughtless rookies.

  48. mediasloppy says: May 14, 2012 12:54 PM

    Sounds like a person who takes pleasure in watching car accidents.

  49. mullman7675 says: May 14, 2012 12:57 PM

    @bbeaman78: It has nothig to do with liberal or conservative, you caveman. I thought it was about football? Shake yourself, you conservative delta bravo.

    PS- your boy Romney is cooked- settle in for 4 more years of Obama.

  50. tombrookshire says: May 14, 2012 12:57 PM

    Betcha they are willing to do it with no more extra money than their paychecks. Take that New Orleans.

  51. lks311 says: May 14, 2012 1:02 PM

    Make up your minds folks—either you’re NFL fans or not. No one had a problem with this a year ago, and we all knew people were getting laid out weekly.

    They’re kids, they’ll learn to lie soon enough and then we can all pretend it’s not a violent game all over again.

  52. ikoikofinanay says: May 14, 2012 1:04 PM

    No, it’s not the hard hits that are disturbing. Nor is it the drive to put a man on the ground. It’s the pleasure they take in the PAIN of another living being. Hoping a man is reduced to a headless roach makes these comments veeeery disturbing.

    These are not men they’re boys pulling the wings off flies and kicking a dog for fun. Look for more headlines with a ‘Lewis’ being brought up on charges of abuse and or battery.

  53. easyeddie says: May 14, 2012 1:05 PM

    Don’t fool yourselves, most of you will be up on your feet cheering this September when someone on YOUR team knocks someone senseless.

    By the way mullman7675, Obama and the libtards are destroying our country. Don’t know which is sadder, that fact or you sheep who think he’s some sort of messiah.

  54. hatasgonnahate says: May 14, 2012 1:06 PM

    “Sissies… Put the dresses on em!”

    You idiots ever think of anything new to say?

  55. jaderbear76 says: May 14, 2012 1:07 PM

    After a couple Bong tokes with fairley and leshoure they will be knocked out in no time!

  56. baddegg says: May 14, 2012 1:12 PM

    To all the “tough guys” out there saying that any criticism of these guys is a result of folks being too “liberal,” “sissyfied” or “soft” –> the problem is that you quite honestly can’t grasp the nuanced context of the situation.

    Yes, football is a violent game.
    Yes, you try to hit guys as hard as you can and intimidate them from coming “in your house.”
    Yes, players assume certain risks when they put on the pads and helmets to play.

    But…to go from that…to say, “anything goes” is just ignorant and unrealistic.

    First, the league has ALWAYS legislated play in order to ensure player safety. This is not new. This is part of the game you love. You can’t chop block guys for instance. Or, you can’t take a crow bar onto the field. So, there have always been rules. That is not a question. The question is, where do we draw the line to protect players. I feel like all the tough guys out there think that anything that deviates from the status quo means that the game will be sissyfied. But all you are doing is slavishly adhering to the status quo. In reality, football has always grown and evolved…this is just another episode of that.

    Second, there is a difference between being “tough” and “delighting in another man’s injury.” There is nothing tough about celebrating the injury of another man. I’m sorry, I’ll just flat out disagree with you all on this. What these players said was not a sign of toughness, but a sign that they are punks. I’ve played football too (not professionally), and I can tell you that lots of tough guys play who feel bad if someone else is hurt. All this, “you all have never put on pads” talk is coming from people who do not speak for all ballers…in fact, I don’t assume that YOU guys have put on pads…you are just typing from a keyboard.

    There should be a way to be tough and exciting but to still have some respect for the health, safety and well being of warriors who put their bodies on the line for the love of the game. It’s like war…even in war, you have rules of the game that dictate the treatment of prisoners. You may think this is naive, but there is a long tradition of engaging in violent activities while having honor and respect for your opponents and rules for the game.

    You don’t speak for all athletes and I don’t consider your talk to be evidence of how “tough” you are…

    I’m sure I’ll get flamed for this but someone has to put out the opposing view.

  57. detroitrollin22 says: May 14, 2012 1:12 PM

    First, this happened in college so that crybaby saints fan needs to shut his mouth because he is crying more than a newborn.

    Second, Ronnell’s hit on that guy was legal and he didn’t launch himself or lead with his helmet.

    Third, in the game of football your job is either to tackle, not get tackled, catch the ball, or block. I’m getting so sick and tired of all this sissy crap the media is feeding the fans nowadays.

    If you don’t want to get hit go play soccer. Football is a man’s game. Even when I was in junior high and high school, I wanted to hit my opponets as hard as I could. I didn’t want to injure them, but I wanted them to know next time they came to my side of the field I was going to hit them as hard as I could.

  58. tebowslostvirginity says: May 14, 2012 1:16 PM

    Should of never said it but how many of us played football and felt the same way after laying someone out. It’s like a taboo thing now for defense players to talk about this kind of stuff now with everyone being so sensitive and PC correct ……..IT’S STILL FOOTBALL A VIOLENT SPORT NO MATTER HOW YOU PHRASE IT OR WATER IT DOWN

  59. thraiderskin says: May 14, 2012 1:19 PM

    Watching a guy stand up then collapse to the ground, then do it again, is not nor will it ever be funny. I played ball too and I knocked a guy back nearly ten yeards on a kick-off and at no time did I start laughing when he kept collapsing. In fact, I was terrified for the guy and scared I might have just ruined the dudes life. I dont know what sort of mind-set someone has to have to find a guy incapable of standing up to be funny, but its probably the same type of person who ends up in a max-security prison yard. I love hard hits, I love the “I hit you so hard, you had to lay there and think about it” hits, but watchin a grown man, involuntarly, flopping on the ground is NOT funny. Some of you people need some serious help.

  60. kathyisintheroom says: May 14, 2012 1:19 PM

    @ndallasruss

    Good attempt at being witty and sarcastic, yet you failed terribly.

    Next time you should research what ex-players have said about the comments Greg Williams made. Cause the words “sick to my stomach” and “henious” that I used were actual QUOTES made by said former players in reference to Greg Williams words.

    So maybe their kids should play tennis also?
    Maybe they will need to homeschool their kids also?
    Do those ex-players like Michaeal Irvin live in an art commune in New Mexico like me?

    Thank you for giving me the opportunity to show how assinine, uninformed, and unintelligent you are and why people like you need to be neutered

  61. klunge says: May 14, 2012 1:24 PM

    All the bleeding heart “fans” acting self righteous. Give me a break. If you’ve never jumped off your couch and yelled WHOA!!! after a big hit, there’s really no reason you’re even on this site.

    Also, Kathyisintheroom continues to prove that she is the dumbest person in cyberspace, bar none.

  62. bhindenemylines says: May 14, 2012 1:24 PM

    Growing up in a military family I can gurantee that when the SEAL team finally got Bin Ladin everyone in the command center was hi-fiving, bumping chests, and there was probably even a few shots of liquor that were done that night.

    But then when it came time to get in front of the camera for the announcement to the world, it was done in a reserved, politically correct, professional way with canned responses to the media.

    What would reaction had been if the speaker said “Yeah, we got the mother******. Straight up killed his ***. Blew his GD head right off his shoulders.”

    There’s nothing wrong with thinking what these rookies thought, every athlete does. But saying it to a reporter with all of the concusion/protecting the players issues that are going on right now???

    That’s just plain stupid.

  63. detroitcityryda says: May 14, 2012 1:25 PM

    All the lions haters can line up in front of these dudes bet you wouldn’t say that to their face .and all of you just scared because we will destroy your team this season ,suckas.

  64. kungfubillysims says: May 14, 2012 1:29 PM

    You haters are so funny.
    This is the Lions year and if you don’t fear us you’re just flat out dumb.
    Our guys will knock you out for free too.
    Also your pot jokes are idiotic. We have had two completely inconsequential players get busted for pot this off season. I bet your team has never had any players busted with pot, right?
    NEWSFLASH the majority of players in the NFL smoke pot. You’re just grasping at straws and trying to come up with another reason to spread your hate but, trust me, we really don’t care what you think.

  65. mylionsroaring says: May 14, 2012 1:30 PM

    If you look at the hits they are clean!!!

    I think all players on DEFENSE feel the same way. It sounds worse than it is. The guy hits guy clean, just real frickin hard

  66. mylionsroaring says: May 14, 2012 1:43 PM

    baddegg

    I would agree with most of what you said, but there is a difference in an injury and giving someone some pain. Not to long ago, it was only an injury if they needed to bring out the cart. I remember a guy from Miami playing with a broke leg over half a game. Players play with broken bones almost every game. Is that an injury?? Concussions were not considered injuries for a long time, and if you ask players today most would say they would go right back in after a concussion if they can get away with it. Knocking a guy silly has been a good thing for years. Only now this year because of the lawsuit, Saints Bounty, ect has it all the sudden become an issue. The guy didn’t do anything but say out loud what 99% of all NFL players thought just 2 short years ago.

    I will give you the time of the words may not have been the best, but maybe he don’t watch TV, or maybe he just feels like most do. If you hit someone legal, and they get wobbled it’s not my fault, and after he gets his head back he will be back.

    P.S. You don’t think the guy that sent Javid Best on a trip to concussion had a little excitement in his heart for that hit. Heck he has been on every highlight film in college about concussions. Even if he never makes the NFL he became a star at his school for years. It is what it is

  67. tndiver says: May 14, 2012 1:50 PM

    Yes, if the hit was legal and the guy gets concussed by it, oh well, it happens. It is a fast and violent sport and you have to know that going into it.

    I don’t think I like the aspect of him finding enjoyment with the guy falling down multiple times getting back. The player was trying to get off the field on his own accord and I commend him for that. When does it stop? Is he excited when the ambulance has to come out to take the kid to the hospital? What is the difference? Both will likely have short and long term affects to the player.

    It reminds me of the time when Mike Singletary knocked an opponent out with a vicious hit and was hoping the guy would get up, kept saying “Get up, come on get up.” It shows class and sportsmanship.

  68. gottapoop says: May 14, 2012 1:52 PM

    Hey everyone, THIS IS FOOTBALL!…. Hard hits are part of thegame. These rookies shouldnt speak on this considering its a touchy subject, but they are only being honest. I love seeing hard hits and sure every player loves delivering them. This country is getting too sensitive. Go watch golf if u want a non violent sport

  69. m2karateman says: May 14, 2012 1:53 PM

    So, let me explain this, and tell me if this DOESN’T apply to you.

    You’re watching a football game, and there is a big hit.

    1. Your first reaction is “Oh my God, what a hit!” Some level of excitement, maybe even standing out of your chair. If you are in the stadium and the hit is laid on the player from the opposite team, you cheer. You know you do.

    2. You begin to laugh if the player tried to get up or struggles to maintain his balance. You know you do.

    3. If the player doesn’t get up, or continues to struggle walking, then and ONLY then do you quiet down and become concerned for the player.

    To deny this is the way things happen with you, is a lie to yourself. Big hits are what have made the sport popular. Concussions are not funny. Neither is public drunkeness that results in someone getting hurt or killed in an accident later on. But at the time you witness the struggle to stand or walk, you are thinking it’s funny.

    Admit it, and come to terms with the reality.

  70. armoderate says: May 14, 2012 1:58 PM

    We’ll see if they’re still laughing when they get their first $50,000 fine for head hunting.

  71. footballfanatic2010 says: May 14, 2012 1:58 PM

    …and in 10 or 15 years they’ll sue the NFL for not doing enough to make the game safer.

  72. moagecu says: May 14, 2012 2:11 PM

    No problem with how the players think. The problem with the comments is that they made them in the first place. In a league that is looking out for players safety, these players have made themselves a target for fines in the future. Goddell will remember these comments when these players get their first chance to appeal a fine.

  73. geo1113 says: May 14, 2012 2:26 PM

    Many of you think that people have a problem with hard legal hits. Nobody here thinks that a good legal hit should be criticized. Nor does anyone think that Lewis should change the way he plays. I can even understand the laughter at the time of the incident. It is a natural reaction. However, the criticism of Lewis is the stupidity of saying an opponent stumbling because of a concussion was hilarious. In retrospect, it should never be hilarious that a hit caused a concussion.

  74. beedubyatoo says: May 14, 2012 2:35 PM

    They might be the first two draftees to get suspended by Goodell before they ever play a single down.

  75. baddegg says: May 14, 2012 2:45 PM

    mylionsroaring says:

    Concussions were not considered injuries for a long time, and if you ask players today most would say they would go right back in after a concussion if they can get away with it. Knocking a guy silly has been a good thing for years. Only now this year because of the lawsuit, Saints Bounty, ect has it all the sudden become an issue.
    —————–
    I think you hit the nail on the head in pointing out that player knowledge regarding what an injury really is important in shaping their actions and reactions to a situation. Let me provide an example:

    1. If a guy gets hit and he is laying on the ground not moving at all, you have guys on BOTH SIDES of the field looking concerned and even praying for their recovery. In this case, when it is clear that the man may never walk again, even opposing players do not “rejoice” in the situation, instead choosing to band together to at least hope for a recovery.

    2. I remember when Lawrence Taylor broke Joe Theisman’s leg. Apparently, the bone was sticking out of the leg. Taylor leaped out of the scrum immediately freaking out and asking the doctors to come on the field. Taylor certainly liked to destroy opponents, but at that moment since it was APPARENT that Theisman was in serious danger, he chose not to “celebrate” but rather focus on getting Theisman help.

    Now look at the concussion situation. What is coming out now is that concussions are every bit as serious as these other situations. If you think, “I just stunned him, but he’ll bounce back tomorrow and be back” (like a super hero), then sure, celebrating is not a bad thing. You laid a hit on the guy and rejoice over it, sure. BUT, now the league has ADDITIONAL INFORMATION that these concussions lead to all sorts of effects that can shorten life, cause dementia, cause depression, etc. etc. and so the reaction should CHANGE.

    So, in other words, I don’t really blame guys who don’t have knowledge of concussion affects from rejoicing — if that is your point. But as for the league — they know now the effects — and so the reaction should and will change.

    No one would defend a guy for rejoicing when a man lay paralyzed on the field. But rejoicing when a guy is concussed is ok? Only if you are ignorant as to the long term effects of a concussion.

    All the league is doing is keeping up with additional medical information that has come to light.

  76. rarson says: May 14, 2012 2:52 PM

    @m2karateman

    “You begin to laugh if the player tried to get up or struggles to maintain his balance. You know you do.”

    No, I never do. It’s pretty disturbing to me that not only do you laugh at people struggling to maintain basic motor skills after being concussed, you also think it to be a normal reaction.

    If we were talking about some kind of Three Stooges slapstick that was fake and meant to be funny, then I’d probably laugh, but since I’m a rational human being, I have this thing called “empathy” that makes me actually care about other people.

    “But at the time you witness the struggle to stand or walk, you are thinking it’s funny.”

    Struggling to walk because you’re drunk isn’t even remotely similar to struggling to walk because you’ve been hit in the head.

  77. mullman7675 says: May 14, 2012 2:53 PM

    @easyeddie- Never did I claim the president to be a messiah. I do claim that he is the lesser of two evils. Our choices on election day 2012, and every election previous is broken down simply: We, as Americans, have two choices: A douche bag or a turd sandwich.

    As soon as we, the proletariat, realize that the politicians DO NOT have our best interests in mind the better off we/you will be.

    PS- turn off Fox News, that might help…

  78. gmen1987 says: May 14, 2012 2:58 PM

    These guys need to have a bounty against them.

  79. iseek11 says: May 14, 2012 3:11 PM

    Keep doin’ what your doin’.

    And keep payin’ the fines. And keep gettin suspended without pay. He obviously plays for the love of the hits and not for money, so he wouldn’t mind playing for free.

    Guys like these are doing great things for the charities their salaries go to when they get fined and suspended. Maybe his game checks will help cure cancer or diabetes or some childhood malady. Or better yet, paralysis, dementia, or Alzheimers.

  80. bslions says: May 14, 2012 3:14 PM

    “I don’t want to speak like an obvious defensive lineman, but you’ve got to hit. This is a game of hitting. If you get up, great. If you don’t, great. I’m not here to cheerlead, I’m here to destroy.” – Deacon Jones

    Discussion over, don’t like it? Break out your pom poms and vagisil.

  81. detroitrollin22 says: May 14, 2012 3:29 PM

    @Gmen1987

    you need to move out of your mom’s basement

  82. bmkmd says: May 14, 2012 3:38 PM

    I hate to admit it, but I love to see those big hits.

    I feel guilty that I do. I wish that I didn’t enjoy it so much.

    …but “Don’t Ask. Don’t Tell” doesn’t solve the problem.

    The Sooner guys, Lewis and Lewis, are just saying what is, not necessarily what should be.

    The fun of the game should be preserved, but the safety of players has to be respected also. There isn’t some easy answer, but that’s what negotiations and the fine tuning of rules are all about.

    This is needed to save the brains of the players…and the investments of the owners. (oops. that wasn’t politically correct)

  83. achamarro1 says: May 14, 2012 3:41 PM

    Hitting your opponent as hard as possible “legally” is the goal. You peeps commenting on how horrible this is would stand and cheer if your team knocked the snot out of someone. And 50% of people watch nascar to see accidents. I am a lions fan and as long as he aint out there doing his best james harrison impression (head first tackles ) i am pumped to see the “hammer” drop people as long as it is a “football” play

  84. stavreafavre says: May 14, 2012 3:53 PM

    For some reason I’m thinking about Fred Williamson getting his justs in SB 1.

  85. rarson says: May 14, 2012 4:11 PM

    @baddegg

    “I think you hit the nail on the head in pointing out that player knowledge regarding what an injury really is important in shaping their actions and reactions to a situation.”

    Right on. Perhaps the people who laugh at a player stumbling to try to get to his feet simply aren’t aware of the very serious implications that a career full of concussions can have. Regardless of lawsuits and other garbage, there are guys in all sorts of jobs who have suffered and died young (I’d consider anything under 50 to be “young”) because of damage caused by concussions. My reaction to obvious concussions is so serious because I’m aware of what it can do to a person. I cringe when I think about the various concussion-related stories I’ve read.

    “If you think, ‘I just stunned him, but he’ll bounce back tomorrow and be back’ (like a super hero), then sure, celebrating is not a bad thing.”

    Yeah, the cavalier attitude must be from a lack of awareness. Nobody really thought getting knocked out from time to time was ever a big deal. I hadn’t really considered that before. I guess I’ve seen enough stories in the past couple years to assume that it’s common knowledge how dangerous concussions can be. The NFL could certainly take the initiative to create a program that teaches players about concussions (and while they’re at it, make the players use the proper safety equipment).

    “So, in other words, I don’t really blame guys who don’t have knowledge of concussion affects from rejoicing ”

    I did, but I hadn’t really considered it like that. It’s a very good point.

  86. 2ndaryinsanity says: May 14, 2012 4:19 PM

    I think some of you are missing the point….the issue here isn’t hard hits (legal or otherwise) on the football field. The issue is comments made by these 2 rookies and how they made fun of their opponent being unable to walk off the field because of a concussion. It’s actually pretty sick/twisted that they take so much pleasure in someone who is injured.
    Make no mistake about it…concussions are a big deal. Concussion = a friggin brain injury, folks! Maybe fans take a “no big deal, it’s just a part of football & players know the risk” attitude because concussions happen frequently. There’s nothing funny about brain injuries…PERIOD

  87. ndallasruss says: May 14, 2012 4:21 PM

    @kathyisintheroom

    Do you really not see the difference between these two:

    1. Gregg Williams – a coach/coordinator – telling players to target the injured body parts of other players; and,

    2. Two guys – players – who are excited about LEGAL football plays in which they hit the opposing players much harder than they themselves were hit.

    You really think that these two things are equally heinous and stomach-turning? Further, do you really think that Michael Irvin and any other former/current player would characterize players being excited about legal football contact as heinous or stomach-turning? If so, you really need to learn more about football players.

    There is chasm of difference between players getting excited about what they do for a living – yes, it does entail running into other people as hard as they can, like it or not – and someone who’s not a player offering money to any of his players who injures another player, to the point of specifying which parts of which opposing players should be targeted. Yes, players often already know where they can hit opposing players to limit their effectiveness – still, it’s a long way from a member of the team’s coaching staff instructing and advising the intentional injury of opposing players.

    If you are seriously so offended by even the mention of football-related contact in any context other than discussions on how to ban it and punish those that commit such acts, I think you need to find a different sport to follow. Hard violent hits are always going to be a part of football, and they’re always going to be administered by individuals who REALLY enjoy it. If you don’t have personal experience with family members who’ve played football, or living in an environment where you yourself get really excited and enthusiastic about someone you know being the hitter, you really can’t understand. And yes, I’m guessing the two guys in the original post have also been on the receiving side of big hits before – it’s what gives them that appreciation when they hit someone hard enough to elicit a reaction from other players, fans, etc.

    Otherwise, the only thing I can think of is that you’re a Saints homer who’s trying to use the hyperbole to promote your position that your coaches and players should have been punished. I guess that’s an option: you can’t defend what they got caught doing, so you put your energy into making other players and coaches look just as bad, or worse, in comparison – just to try and minimize the impact of what the Saints have done.

    Anyway, what was that about failing?

  88. blondebombr says: May 14, 2012 4:39 PM

    re: the Jahvis Best hit that put him out this year.

    It actually wasn’t a ‘highlight hit.’

    After a short gain, Bowman of the 49ers tackled him and he hit his head on the ground. That’s where the concussion came from.

    At the time no one thought anything of it. He came out of the game, but it looked like he was just getting rotated out.

    So ‘the guy who laid out Best probably loved it’, it was Bowman and I doubt he had a clue what had happened. Really it was the turf of Ford Field.
    ;)

  89. dumplingsrbrown says: May 14, 2012 4:46 PM

    Remember the days that players simply did their talking on the field?

    Remenber Barry Sanders? He didn’t talk a big game. He just went out and proved himself.

    Players talking to the press seems to be a P.R. nightmare more often than not these days.

  90. detroitlionsnfl says: May 16, 2012 12:57 AM

    GO LIONS! Screw the haters!

  91. peachyc39 says: May 16, 2012 3:15 PM

    I don’t see anything really wrong with this except the timing.

    If you see someone for instance who does something like fall down the stairs you are going to laugh your *** off at first….but if that person does not get back up or breaks a bone or something then you are going to feel bad. Laughter is the first reaction next to Anger. It does not make you a bad person to laugh at someone getting hit in FOOTBALL!! I have been watching football since I was 5 and the NFL since I was 8 and I have seen opposing teams get quiet when someone gets seriously hurt on the field. I have never seen the other side actually laughing at cart-offs. Maybe TV hides these but I’ve never seen it. Maybe I am missing something here but even when I was a cheerleader in school our players and the opposing players would kneel whenever someone did not get back up. This is insane to make such a big deal over their comments since you know in your heart that you want your “D” for your team to be the hardest hitting in the league. Admit that and this will make more sense. What exactly do you think that entails?? A couple of pushes and shoves? My 49ers have what is now being called a “Smash Mouth” defense but that must be because we can sure push the crap out of some folks…lol! This is getting insane now. Welcome to the National FOOTBALL League fellas!

  92. ghouchens says: May 16, 2012 11:26 PM

    Big mistake to say these things to Michael David Smith. He has had a hate thing on the Lions since the 0-16 season.

  93. dafc0n says: May 16, 2012 11:35 PM

    did these guys get any questions on the wunderlich test correct ?

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