Getty ImagesOn the day that Giants defensive end Justin Tuck got his second Super Bowl ring, he made a bold proclamation about his thoughts on getting a few more.
Tuck said the goal of the players who were on the Giants’ 2007 and the 2011 championship Giants is to be remembered as one of the all-time great teams in NFL history.
“You get that first time and you’re in awe, like, ‘Oh God, this might not ever happen again,’” Tuck said, via the Star-Ledger. “You win a second one and you’re like, ‘Hey, maybe we can do something here.’ Our thing now is we want to make it a dynasty.”
To be remembered as a dynasty, the Giants would need to win at least one more Super Bowl, and maybe two more Super Bowls, with a nucleus that includes Tom Coughlin, Eli Manning, Tuck and some of the other players from both Super Bowl teams.
“You think about how lucky you are to be in this situation,” Tuck said. “There are a lot of great players who didn’t have an opportunity to win playoff games let alone Super Bowl wins, and I have two. I’m definitely thankful for that.”
And he’ll be even more thankful if he gets a third Super Bowl ring.
Fat chance.
sounds great! If only they could unfairly penalize other teams in the giants division and take away there cap space then the giants would be well on there way!!!
Good job on your your two supers bowls but no more superbowls for awhile
Getting hot at the right time doesn’t make a dynasty…..
How is this a “bold proclamation”? Is there any player that only wants to win it all once?
Giants fans will pile up the ‘thumbs down’ here, but you don’t make it a dynasty by winning SBs after 9-7 regular seasons. Yes, all that matters in the end is the SB, but ‘dynasty’ refers to ‘legacy’ and you have to be dominant.
To do that in this day and age would be something to behold in awe.
Having Osi Umenyiora around makes the Giants like the TV show “Dynasty”. Meow.
rc33
May 17, 2012, 7:08 AM PDT
Fat chance.
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Although your comment is both exceptionally witty and well thought-out I must disagree.
With having the most clutch QB in the NFL as well as all the young players that will be moulded into top players in their position ie Eli JPP Cruz Prince ect….
I would say that the chances are good REALLY EFFIN GOOD!!!!
Ps
Once Eli wins another SB there will be zero doubt who the best Manning is.
This is news how? Um, isn’t it the goal of every team to win year after year thus having a dynasty? Admittedly a rare feat but that is what 32 teams are trying to accomplish.
Everyone forgets that after the 2007 Super Bowl win, the Giants started out the following year something like 11-1 and by that time of the season were favorite to repeat. Then Burress when and shot himself and the team folded.
They lost their first playoff game that year after getting the #1 seed. Very similar to last years Packers. The 2007 Gaints and 2010 Packers were both Wild Card Super Bowl winners. By mid-year the following year, both teams were rolling and consider the best in the league. Later they both lost their first home playoff game.
I’m just saying that this current group could get on a roll too, it has happen twice before falling apart late.
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I’m having a hard time catching my breath now after laughing so hard.
The two they recently won were not earned. The first was obviously a fixed game (don’t try to argue people, it was what it was and if you don’t know that, you don’t know the game as well as you think you do). The second they were lucky that the opposing team decided not to show up or play.
dfinpds says:
May 17, 2012 10:11 AM
Getting hot at the right time doesn’t make a dynasty…..
—-Exactly. There were a host of teams that were better. The Eagles were 5-1 in the division, and should have beaten the Giants the first time they played. The Giants were 9-7 on the year. That doesn’t mean I don’t give them full credit, but you’re talking about building a dynasty? LOL.
As a Giant fan I hope he’s right. Having seen what they’ve done the year after their past Superbowls I’m hopeful, but not very optimistic.
Obviously. It’s not easy in today’s NFL, but the G-Men are well on their way and Tuck could very easily get his wish.
Getting hot at the right time 4 times in a few years DOES make a dynasty!
The Giants want to win again this year? That’s crazy. I never would have guess that.
As a Skins fan…The Giants are the Example that of a true Dynasty…all it takes is one more Ring…they already beat the patriots twice in the superbowl….the same way..The Giants are IT….True Champions…
And I want to be King of the World brother.
it already is.
Hardly headline news, but they obviously will qualify as one if they can pull it off again this year.
Whatever keep dreaming..
Wouldn’t a “bold proclamation” be something along the lines of him guaranteeing they would become a dynasty? All he said was the team wants to become a dynasty and that’s their goal.
There’s a big difference saying something will happen and saying you have the desire to make something happen.
Giants are very much overrated..nothing dominating about them 9-7 record backs that up, but they did get that momentum going in playoffs to carry them…dynasty? won’t happen Giants schedule is brutal this season
dfinpds says:
May 17, 2012 10:11 AM
Getting hot at the right time doesn’t make a dynasty…..
the statement itself is correct…..but it doesnt apply to the giants. they lost more combined games by their starters last year than any other team; they got HEALTHY at the right time. if…big if, i know…..they are healthy this year, they are winning more than 9 regular season games.
and why in the world there would be anyone out there who thinks the giants dont have the talent to repeat is beyond me.
And this dynasty wont be video taping superbowl walk throughs!!!!! How bout them apples!
Pretty sure they will repeat this year and will complete the dynasty. They are stacked.
jdandcoke says:
May 17, 2012 10:30 AM
dfinpds says:
May 17, 2012 10:11 AM
Getting hot at the right time doesn’t make a dynasty…..
the statement itself is correct…..but it doesnt apply to the giants. they lost more combined games by their starters last year than any other team; they got HEALTHY at the right time. if…big if, i know…..they are healthy this year, they are winning more than 9 regular season games.
and why in the world there would be anyone out there who thinks the giants dont have the talent to repeat is beyond me.
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Same thing was said about the Packers last year.
I think people forget how good this team was in 2008 after winning it all in 2007. They were the #1 seed in the NFC and were one bullet through the thigh away from making another deep playoff run.
I can see another similar follow-up performance. The nucleus of this Superbowl winning squad remains in tact. Manning, Nicks, Cruz, Tuck, JPP, Osi…
Tuck is only hoping, not predicting, but the idea doesn’t seem too far-fetched.
Every time a team wins a SB, they’re the next big thing. People said the Saints would be a dynasty. Then the Packers. Now the Giants. Same stuff every year, right up until you lose.
Give credit where credit is due. The Giants are winning SBs at about the same rate as the Redskins did [I’m a ‘Skins fan] from 1982-1991. In my book, that’s pretty darn good.
pftwstbshmc
Are you serious? Please explain how that first super bowl win was fixed! Tyree couldn’t make that catch EVER again! How can you fix something like that?
You are just a hater.
I agree that they did get hot at the right time but it will be interesting to see how they deal with the NFC East conference once again. They’re have been significant upgrades !!!!
dfinpds says:
May 17, 2012 10:11 AM
Getting hot at the right time doesn’t make a dynasty…..
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Correct, but wining SB’s does. Let the trolls chime in. I love the Giants when the back on the ropes and then they answer with knock out blows. Everyone seems to forget that they had alot of injuries at the beginning of the season including Tuck who missed 4 games and Osi. Its ok though, cant wait to see them wipe the floor with there opponents this season. With a healthy team and an upgraded backfield things will be alot different. They got at least 2 more SB’s in them if not 3. Keep on hatin’ though, it makes for good sh!t talkin on here.
dfinpds says:
May 17, 2012 10:11 AM
Getting hot at the right time doesn’t make a dynasty…..
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No but winning 2 Superbowl’s in 4 years does help their chances. All these “haters” that are posting on this article fail to realize the 9-7 record was with a injury riddled team. When the Giants finally got healthy (in the playoffs) they showed how well they can play.
What’s all this 9-7 garbage talk in the comments. Last I checked, the Giants wen 13-7!
one more super bowl win would make them a dynasty. that’s the bar.
As long as the Giants stay away from the Saints(with Brees) in the playoffs (if they make the playoffs)they will have a chance to repeat otherwise they are in trouble. For some reason they don’t match up well with them at all.
After they won the 1st one they lost in the div playoffs and then didn’t even make the playoffs for 2 yrs. Dynastys are in the hunt every year and are a pain to other teams. Giants disappeared for three years. Good chance Giants will not make the playoffs again this year. Not a dynasty
You guys can hate in the giants all you want. But when you look at what they had to do to win these past two super bowls, it is damn impressive. And before you idiots say it was fixed, go watch the past green bay playoff game again. If it wasn’t for bill levy the giants would have won by 30 that game.
I have to admit, after the first Super Bowl win against the Pats, the trolls annoyed me. But after the second, man, this is soooo sweet. Two Lombardis in five years AND driving the basement dwellers insane with jealousy is just a fan’s dream. We got to enjoy the Super Bowl parades and made 30 year old virgins all around Philly, DC, and Dallas suffer. Win – Win. Please – hulk, pftwst, buddybowl, rc33, and all the rest, feed us more. Your tears make this so much more enjoyable. The fact that it makes you assclowns so miserable, just makes my day just fly by.
Fat chance! Eli is the worst QB in the history of the NFL to win 2 SB rings. If he didn’t have a very strong defense, he wouldn’t even have one.
They’ll need to win more than 9 games this year, me thinks…
The Giants have the talent to do it, but back-to-back titles is not something this team could handle. The Packers are a more talented team overall, but weren’t playing well on D when it counted and couldn’t repeat.
The Giants caught a wave and rode it – hats off to them, they deserved it. Lets not forget Eli Manning – the two-faced QB. The guy led the NFL the year before in INT’s and Giants fans wanted him OUT. When Manning is on, he’s a top 5 QB, but there is a reason he’s not in the class of Brady, Manning or Rodgers – he just doesn’t play at an elite level as consistently as the best QB’s in the game.
It’s going to be a slug fest between the Giants, Packers, and Niners in the NFC and should be fun to watch. The Niners have improved their offense in the offseason, the Packers improved their D, and it generally comes down to who is the hungriest at crunch time because they all have the talent to do it. Packers are still the scariest because they went 15-1 after winning a super bowl and having the target on their backs – not to mention with a non-existent D and no one is playing at the level of Rodgers right now at QB.
daknight93 says:
May 17, 2012 10:30 AM
Giants are very much overrated..nothing dominating about them 9-7 record backs that up, but they did get that momentum going in playoffs to carry them…dynasty? won’t happen Giants schedule is brutal this season
I thought the Giants had the toughest Schedule in the league last year. Saints, Packers twice, Niners twice, The NFC east. Adversity either builds a team or breaks them apart.
On job well done. A dynasty is not a team that wins two super bowls in five years but rather team the wins three super Bowls in the four-year. Such as the Cowboys or the 49ers or the Steelers. The Giants are good but I do not think they have the talent to become a dynasty.
Anybody that thinks Eli is better than Peyton, is absolutely right. The proof is in the stats. Wow, Peyton has more 12 win seasons of anyone. Compare the twos playoff records, laughable. Anyone saying you have to dominate in the regular season to be considered a dynasty is on syrup. I would have taken barely getting in the playoffs and winning superbowls over 12-4 14-2 regular season records any day. Championships are championships, regardless of regular season record. As a matter of fact, beating the top ranked teams on the road is far more impressive… Hmmmm green bay at home, San Fran at home… Seems pretty tough to me… Don’t like giants, just calling it how I see it
My Packers were saying the same things this time last year. That was fun while it lasted….
for the fan who compared the packers and giants:
the packers defense took a GIGANTIC step backwards the year after they won the superbowl.
the giants defense lost only aaron ross and dave tollefson (who in reality were both second teamers; ross started but wouldnt have had TT not been injured all year)…but added terrell thomas and marvin austin who are coming back from injuries and keith rivers in a trade.
the giants defense should be even better than it was last year during the playoff run.
“daknight93 says: Giants are very much overrated..nothing dominating about them 9-7 record backs ”
I agree with you the Giants have a brutal schedule this year, but they had a brutal schedule last year. Which included New England, San Fran, New Orleans, and Green Bay. New England was beaten twice and San Fran and Green bay we beat in the playoffs after barely losing to them during regular season. There was only 3 games where they did not play well last year, New Orleans, and both Washington games to the skins credit.
If anything the Giants are underrated at minimum 13 guys on IR they started 3 different rookie LB’s through out the year before calling Blackburn & they had multiple changes in the O line..The Giants also started a new TE, fullback, and various WR’s before Cruz emerged. Osi, Tuck, Bradshaw, Nicks, Boley, Akumura, & Manningham all missed multiple games last year and despite all these guys missing time and their rather large IR list the Giants are not even picked to win the division this year either. They are underrated and with all those players getting experience they have depth.
ALLLLLL ABOOOOAAARRRRDDDD!!!!!
sorry to derail the hype train giant fans but, with free agency & injury from year to year its not gonna happen, as well as 31 other cities are looking to beat your @$$e$ this very second as im typing, congrats & enjoy because the ride is coming to an end. go ahead & thumbs down homers!!!!
07 & 11 teams had legendary playoff runs! both years had classic championship games ( 07 vs pack, 11 vs 49ers). Giants did not get lucky both times against the pats. The gmen have beaten the pats the last 3 outings so hows that lucky? You have to make PLAYS to win the game!!! Giants showed that! Pats didnt! same thing against niners and pack!
Historically, winning 2 Super Bowls in 5 years is already quite an accomplishment. If the same core of players win a 3rd then they’ll go down as one of the great teams ever… I don’t really like the word dynasty though… Teams like the Yankees that win it all over a period of decades deserve that title more than teams that dominate for 8 or 9 years…
they’ll get it if they play the Pats again.
Gee, and here I thought that all they wanted to do was win two and then fade into the woodwork. Who knew?
Giants are a well run organization, and could very well be a dynasty, but the NFC East is extremely competitive, and I believe there will be a SB champion out of this division this year again, and years to come. My skins have another year before becoming consistently competitive, but it will be sweet to start talking sh*t to all of the haters. You can say whatever you want, but Shanny and Allen are quietly building a young talented team. See you at the top. HTTR!
jiggy3198 says:
May 17, 2012 11:12 AM
On job well done. A dynasty is not a team that wins two super bowls in five years but rather team the wins three super Bowls in the four-year. Such as the Cowboys or the 49ers or the Steelers. The Giants are good but I do not think they have the talent to become a dynasty.
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What dictionary defines “dynasty” as such? None that I have ever seen. Only idiots think that the 3 in 4 is carved in stone.
BTW, the Steelers won 4 in 6, not 3 in 4…there was a two-year gap between the first two and the last two.
whatthehellisgoingonoutthere says:
May 17, 2012 11:01 AM
Fat chance! Eli is the worst QB in the history of the NFL to win 2 SB rings. If he didn’t have a very strong defense, he wouldn’t even have one.
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Neither would Tom Brady have a ring, since it was the defense that won those three titles. Same for Terry Bradshaw and the Steelers defense.
one thing that hasnt been mentioned: the giants have one of, if not the, best gm’s in the game in jerry reese. right off the bat he and his assistant mark ross give the giants organization the edge over a lot of other teams.
Redskins fan here,
I love all the comments about how much the Giants suck during the regular season, because at the end of the day, it doesn’t matter who was in the fight, you’re only going to remember the winner.
If the Skins got into the playoffs with a 8-8 record and won the Super Bowl, would I really care how their regular season was? No.
Lucky for us Cowboys fans we’ve already seen a true dynasty. Feel free to thumbs down, cry babies. 3 rings; 4 years.
Dynasties don’t get swept by the Redskins.
Whether you are a hater or a homer, all NFL fans must admit that in the modern Goodell NFL, teams that can fill the big 3 elements have the best shot at the SB.
1) stud QB
2) stellar WRs
3) pass rush
If you don’t have all 3, you will likely get exposed at some point. The Giants have all 3 and for that reason will be a tough out. The other big time teams are missing one of the crucial elements and will have to overcome that deficiency with better than great play from the other factors.
GB – missing pass rush. Rodgers/WRs better be good for 400+4tds per game
SF – missing QB / WRs. D better play lights out
NO – pass rush
NE – pass rush
Philly – actually comes closest to NYG as having all 3 elements as long as Vick stays healthy (which never happens so…)
Hou – had all 3 factors until Schaub went down. Lets see this year if D takes a step back.
And there you go. Based upon my IBM computer calculations. NYG-24 HOU-16
Repeat. Dynasty.
Let me get this right……….as an example only……the Steelers win 2 Super Bowls in 4 years, they appear in 3 Super Bowls in 6 years, they win 12 games in 3 out of 4 years, however, the Giants are talked about as a dynasty while the Steelers are considered to be…..nothing? If the Niners PR did not fumble twice, the tumbleweeds would be tumbling. Everyone knows that between the parity in the league now and the high seed bye weeks, the teams that squeak into the playoffs now have a chance to win it all. Just look at those Steelers in 2005, those Giants in 2007 and 2011 and the Packers of 2010. Dynasty? Not yet and I am not holding my breath.
dvdman123 says: May 17, 2012 10:51 AM
As long as the Giants stay away from the Saints(with Brees) in the playoffs (if they make the playoffs)they will have a chance to repeat otherwise they are in trouble. For some reason they don’t match up well with them at all.
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Depends on where they play them. I don’t recall the Giants playing this incarnation (Drew Brees) of the Saints in NY. The Giants have played them twice in NO, and have admittedly been trounced.
Improbably lucky team, 2x. Both SBs were absolutely gift wrapped.
Relax bozos for all. I’m giving them props I just don’t think they are a dynasty. I am saying that Dallas the 49ers and the Steelers are all considered dynasties. Even New England is considered a dynasty. This is based on their accomplishments. I’m not downplaying with the Giants did I just don’t think they go down as one of the greatest teams in history. So relax don’t call people idiots I’m just stating an opinion. The Giants are a very good team with a great coach a very good quarterback and a good defense. But when it comes down to saying one of the greatest teams ever I do not think the Giants from 2007 to 2012 will be in the mix.
jakek2….do not count out Detroit, Chicago or Atlanta this year in the NFC this year. Detroit just needs more experience, Chicago needs to stay healthy and Atlanta needs to play better on the road.
No guns = very good shot at repeating. No pun intended.
No one was beating us in 2008 before Burress.
And we’re even better this year than any Giants team has been since 1990. I’ll take those odds.
Being dominant in the playoffs is all that matters. The giants are dominant in the playoffs. Case closed.
whatthehellisgoingonoutthere
May 17, 2012, 8:01 AM PDT
Fat chance! Eli is the worst QB in the history of the NFL to win 2 SB rings. If he didn’t have a very strong defense, he wouldn’t even have one.
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Worst QB to win 2 SUPERBOWLS! LOL!!
thanks I needed that laugh. I love all the hate it makes winning a game in Feb feel good all year long!!!
For the worst QB to win a couple SBs he sure has a great resume including a TON of NFL all-time records…
-2× Pro Bowl (2008, 2011)
-2× Super Bowl champion (XLII, XLVI)
-2× Super Bowl MVP (XLII, XLVI)
-2× NFC Champion (2007, 2011)
-NFL Record most 4th quarter touchdown passes in a season (15)
-Tied NFL Record longest pass completion and touchdown (99 yards)
-NFL Record most road playoff wins by a quarterback (5)
-Tied NFL Record most game-winning drives in a season (8)
-Most road wins in a single regular season and postseason by a starting quarterback (10)
-Most passing yards in a single postseason (1219 yards)
WHOS BETTER!?!?!?!?!
unitedstateoftexas
May 17, 2012, 9:12 AM PDT
Lucky for us Cowboys fans we’ve already seen a true dynasty. Feel free to thumbs down, cry babies. 3 rings; 4 years.
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Hahaha
Yup 3 outta 4.
How sweet was your 1 playoff win in the last 16 years?!?!
If the Giants won two in a row plus the 2007 superbowl I’m sure everyone would consider them a dynasty. Miami wasn’t considered a dynasty after winning two in a row, but the 3rd trophy within the last 5 years would qualify them.
There isn’t a great chance they will win it again though. They will have a hard time winning the division, just like last year. If they do win it they will be 3rd or 4th seed again because their schedule is too tough to have a great record. I don’t think the NFC East will get a wildcard this year either. I also don’t think a team that had to play 4 games in the playoffs could pull off two in a row that way. I’m not sure that no team has done that before, but I don’t think so.
bigbluecott says:
May 17, 2012 10:22 AM
Getting hot at the right time 4 times in a few years DOES make a dynasty!
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No, it doesn’t.
enoughofthatalready says:
May 17, 2012 12:27 PM
re: Steelers / Giants
re: Detroit, Chicago, Atlanta
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As a Steeler fan, you should know that just making it doesn’t count. If you would have beaten GB, then yes…you’d have your second dynasty. (Although, if you’re gonna say SF’s punt returner gift wrapped the game for us…I can equally say that your two SB wins against the powerhouse Seahawks and Cardinals [the Sea game being terribly officiated], there is a small argument that the Steelers SB wins are rather weak].
As for Det, Chi and Atl….Det, yes. They have the 3 factors. But sooner or later, they will have to play outside vs. GB, SF, NYG. Atl-feh. Ryan’s overrated and they have zero pass rush. Chi-maybe but Cutler is a wildcard and their WRs are bunk once BM is doubled.
I don’t see how they’re a dynasty unless they really dominate the next few years and win at least another Super Bowl. Standards are getting pretty low, I mean they lucked their way into the playoffs after playing like crap for the first 10 weeks. They have all the potential in the world to be dominant, but they have to make the playoffs next season and it won’t be that easy with three very hungry teams in their division who’ve all spent the offseason upgrading their team properly.
bigbluecrew420 says: May 17, 2012 10:16 AM
“Ps Once Eli wins another SB there will be zero doubt who the best Manning is. ”
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Not a fan of either Manning but under absolutely no circumstance does Eli surpass Peyton as a QB. Maybe he wins 1 or 2 more super bowls than Peyton. To a guy like Peyton that would probably be the worst feeling, but to the rest of the football world Peyton Manning is in the conversation with only a handful of others as the best QB of all time. His numbers show it, his value is seen clearly in the fall of the Colts after only one year of injury. Peyton is the better QB in the family, Eli is the bigger winner because Eli’s teams had a defense. Winning more big games in this TEAM sport is not the singular determining factor for greatness.
Yeah, umm……. that whole “Dynasty” thing is a little trickier than it seems.
Get back to me on that.
Signed,
T. Brady
bigbluecrew420 says:May 17, 2012 12:45 PM
whatthehellisgoingonoutthere
May 17, 2012, 8:01 AM PDT
Fat chance! Eli is the worst QB in the history of the NFL to win 2 SB rings. If he didn’t have a very strong defense, he wouldn’t even have one.
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Worst QB to win 2 SUPERBOWLS! LOL!!
thanks I needed that laugh. I love all the hate it makes winning a game in Feb feel good all year long!!!
For the worst QB to win a couple SBs he sure has a great resume including a TON of NFL all-time records…
-2× Pro Bowl (2008, 2011)
-2× Super Bowl champion (XLII, XLVI)
-2× Super Bowl MVP (XLII, XLVI)
-2× NFC Champion (2007, 2011)
-NFL Record most 4th quarter touchdown passes in a season (15)
-Tied NFL Record longest pass completion and touchdown (99 yards)
-NFL Record most road playoff wins by a quarterback (5)
-Tied NFL Record most game-winning drives in a season (8)
-Most road wins in a single regular season and postseason by a starting quarterback (10)
-Most passing yards in a single postseason (1219 yards)
WHOS BETTER!?!?!?!?!
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Brady, Brees, Peyton, Rodgers. All of them are better. Also, that list of records isn’t impressive. The Superbowls are impressive and maybe the post season passing yards, but the other ones aren’t records anyone cares about. The other guys I listed all have much better career stats and all hold at least 1 great all time record. Only Brady has more Super Bowls of course.
Eli isn’t the worst QB to win two superbowls though. That is Bob Griese for sure. Plunket was also worse than Eli. Roethlisberger is debatable.
Enjoy your year of gloating!
As a Giants fan I will admit they weren’t a dominate team during the first 14 games of the season but once all the pieces were fully healthy, Tuck, Osi, Boley, Bradshaw, Hynoski (the fullback) they dominated down the stretch. The defense shut down every one they faced holding teams to less then 17 a game over the last 2 regular season games and playoffs.
No team in the league dealt with as many injuries as the Giants did and when they finally got healthy no one could handle them. They embarrssed Atlanta and Green Bay. Two busted plays by the Giants secondary kept San Fran in the game and they shut down Brady and the Pats.
When Boley went down in the first San Fran game the defense fell apart. We were playing two rookies at linebacker and had Antrel Rolle playing outside linebacker in some games. But once everyone was healty playing the defense dominated.
With or without Osi this year they will have the best front four in football. Marvin Austin (2nd round pick in ’11) didn’t even play. That guy is going to be a beast. Kiawanuka will move back down to DE giving them 4 DEs that can dominate a game. Terrell Thompson, Prince, Webster and throw in the rookie Hosel gives them four very good corners. Plus the Giants might have the best safety combo in the league with Rolle and Phillips.
We already know how good the offense is with Nicks, Cruz and Eli. Now they have added Wilson, Bennett and Randle. WOW!!!
weepingjebus says:
May 17, 2012 12:13 PM
Dynasties don’t get swept by the Redskins.
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Dynasties don’t get caught cheating either.
@jm91ers – go back and look at the year Peyton won the Super Bowl. Colts defense was ranked #1 in the league. They gave up the least points and was second in total yards. Seems to me the only reason Peyton won a super bowl that year may have been the defense. Peyton had one of his worse years statically that year.
The Giants was one of the worse defensives in the league for almost the entire season and in 2008 they were middle of the pack.
jakek2 says:
May 17, 2012 12:14 PM
Whether you are a hater or a homer, all NFL fans must admit that in the modern Goodell NFL, teams that can fill the big 3 elements have the best shot at the SB.
1) stud QB
2) stellar WRs
3) pass rush
If you don’t have all 3, you will likely get exposed at some point. The Giants have all 3 and for that reason will be a tough out. The other big time teams are missing one of the crucial elements and will have to overcome that deficiency with better than great play from the other factors.
GB – missing pass rush. Rodgers/WRs better be good for 400+4tds per game
SF – missing QB / WRs. D better play lights out
NO – pass rush
NE – pass rush
Philly – actually comes closest to NYG as having all 3 elements as long as Vick stays healthy (which never happens so…)
Hou – had all 3 factors until Schaub went down. Lets see this year if D takes a step back.
And there you go. Based upon my IBM computer calculations. NYG-24 HOU-16
Repeat. Dynasty.
I disagree with your conclusion but like the post if you added Steelers and Ravens to analysis, it would be complete.
On Pats rush, that hole may have been filled.
On Eli, as a Pats fan, I’ll say the boy is insane, future HOF at this point, assuming trend continues. Best mix of scrambling, short memory, long ball, and use of outlets in the game right now. It looks like 50% luck, but I think its 98% skill, only 2% luck.
This year’s “Dream Team” comment?
pftcensorssuck says:
May 17, 2012 1:06 PM
Yeah, umm……. that whole “Dynasty” thing is a little trickier than it seems.
Get back to me on that.
Signed,
T. Brady
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Yeah, real tough when the QB no longer knows the defensive signals in advance.
There is a solid chance they could be more consistent, focused, stronger, and skilled than last year. They had as good a chance as anyone last season, and maybe a better chance this season. You know you’ll be watching the Giants this season.
they’re already on pace for it, 2 super bowls in four seasons ain’t two shabby
I love the Giants hatred/jealousy spewed from the mouths of Eagles/Cowboy/Redskins fans on this comment section. The Giants are clearly the class of the NFL right now and I love it.
Freakin joke. Good luck winning your division, it’s the only way you make the playoffs … Eli (aka Kazoo) is not Elite, he’s above average, but please don’t try and say he’s #1 in the league. Outside of NY and ESPN, no one thinks he’s even top 5.
If holding records many great quarterback here’s a few records for you. The most games one by quarterback in the first four years of his career. The first quarterback to take his team to the playoffs for years in a row and when. The highest winning percentage among quarterbacks in the last four years. These are all records who holds them Joe Flacco. Is he considered a leak I don’t think so
bullcharger says:
May 17, 2012 1:18 PM
bigbluecrew420 says:May 17, 2012 12:45 PM
whatthehellisgoingonoutthere
May 17, 2012, 8:01 AM PDT
Fat chance! Eli is the worst QB in the history of the NFL to win 2 SB rings. If he didn’t have a very strong defense, he wouldn’t even have one.
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Worst QB to win 2 SUPERBOWLS! LOL!!
thanks I needed that laugh. I love all the hate it makes winning a game in Feb feel good all year long!!!
For the worst QB to win a couple SBs he sure has a great resume including a TON of NFL all-time records…
-2× Pro Bowl (2008, 2011)
-2× Super Bowl champion (XLII, XLVI)
-2× Super Bowl MVP (XLII, XLVI)
-2× NFC Champion (2007, 2011)
-NFL Record most 4th quarter touchdown passes in a season (15)
-Tied NFL Record longest pass completion and touchdown (99 yards)
-NFL Record most road playoff wins by a quarterback (5)
-Tied NFL Record most game-winning drives in a season (8)
-Most road wins in a single regular season and postseason by a starting quarterback (10)
-Most passing yards in a single postseason (1219 yards)
WHOS BETTER!?!?!?!?!
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Brady, Brees, Peyton, Rodgers. All of them are better. Also, that list of records isn’t impressive. The Superbowls are impressive and maybe the post season passing yards, but the other ones aren’t records anyone cares about. The other guys I listed all have much better career stats and all hold at least 1 great all time record. Only Brady has more Super Bowls of course.
Eli isn’t the worst QB to win two superbowls though. That is Bob Griese for sure. Plunket was also worse than Eli. Roethlisberger is debatable.
Enjoy your year of gloating!
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Plunkett only suffers from having to play for the craptastic Patriots in his early career. As it was, Brady hardly carried any of the Super Bowl teams that he won a ring with, being outpassed by all three opposing QBs in those game, relying on his defense to keep him in the game.
And compared to the over-the-top gloating that Bostonians do whenever their teams win anything, New Yorkers are sedate by comparison.
bozosforall says: May 17, 2012 1:19 PM
weepingjebus says:
May 17, 2012 12:13 PM
Dynasties don’t get swept by the Redskins.
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Dynasties don’t get caught cheating either.
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Ahh…..spoken like a true Giants fan backing their shady owner. You just had to put that inaccurate statement in there to justify getting swept last year. I will put not my skins in your category just yet, but in a year it will be sweet to throw this back down your throat, even with having that illegal cap penalty being issue by Mara. Karma’s a bitch.
The niners gave away 10 free points. The giants shouldn’t have made it to the Super Bowl so dynasty I think not. They should still be in awe and thanking THE Kyle Williams. Hard to believe Tedd ginn jr. Injury could keep the niners from number 6 but that’s exactly what it was. If they were to become a dynasty it would be the weakest dynasty ever.
@nfl1818 –
Steelers – pass rush slipped. Plus, Ben was exposed once running game broke down and he saw less man to man…scramble around for 7 seconds until someone finally shakes free.
Ravens – no WRs whatsoever. Jury is also out on Flacco. Also not sold on the thought they can overcome loss of Suggs.
I actually see these teams finally coming back to the pack this year. Wouldn’t be surprised at all if they both finished 9-7 and the gals’ took the division at 10-6.
If Williams doesn’t fumble the kicks in the NFC Championship game, NYG wouldn’t even have been there. Let alone “Dynasty” .. c’mon..
Bullcharger….
Brady, Brees, Peyton, Rodgers. All of them are better.
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Hmmmmm
Brady- yup Eli beat him TWICE last season
Rogers- Yup, Eli sent him home this year too.
Also u think those records don’t mean squat? Yeah your right. Who wants to have the CLUTCHEST QB in NFL history anyways?
Eli battles back better than any QB ever just look at the stats bud!
cowboyhater says:
May 17, 2012 1:51 PM
bozosforall says: May 17, 2012 1:19 PM
weepingjebus says:
May 17, 2012 12:13 PM
Dynasties don’t get swept by the Redskins.
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Dynasties don’t get caught cheating either.
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Ahh…..spoken like a true Giants fan backing their shady owner. You just had to put that inaccurate statement in there to justify getting swept last year. I will put not my skins in your category just yet, but in a year it will be sweet to throw this back down your throat, even with having that illegal cap penalty being issue by Mara. Karma’s a bitch.
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Ahh…spoken like a true idiot. I’m not a Giants fan, doofus. And dissing ANY owner when your owner is Dan “Infant Terribile” Snyder is an even bigger joke.
I must have missed the part where Mara was ever commissioner…must have been just after Robert Kraft stepped down in 2007 (after destroying all of the Spygate video evidence).
cassrangers says:
May 17, 2012 2:05 PM
If Williams doesn’t fumble the kicks in the NFC Championship game, NYG wouldn’t even have been there. Let alone “Dynasty” .. c’mon..
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Tuck Rule game and Spygate…Pats aren’t there either.
News flash…fumbles and interceptions happen in football. Part of the game.
pftwstbshmc says:
May 17, 2012 10:19 AM
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
I’m having a hard time catching my breath now after laughing so hard.
The two they recently won were not earned. The first was obviously a fixed game (don’t try to argue people, it was what it was and if you don’t know that, you don’t know the game as well as you think you do). The second they were lucky that the opposing team decided not to show up or play.
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Oh I get it. So you present NO FACTS to back up what you say and then declare that if we don’t agree with your mindless summation, we don’t know football. HMMM. Let me take a stab at this.
Everyone knows that you could fly by flapping your arms when you jump off of a building. If you try to say anything different, you clearly have no knowledge of aerodynamics and are an idiot.
How’d I do?
Please try to use your brain for something other than a seat cushion. As long as the Giants have NASCAR, one of the best receiving corps in the league, a clutch QB, starters on both sides of the ball returning from injury, we have at the very least a puncher’s chance. I will agree that dynasty is a strong word, but 2 SB’s if 5 years is not a fluke. Deal with it! Go Giants!
jakek2 says:
May 17, 2012 1:52 PM
@nfl1818 –
Steelers – pass rush slipped. Plus, Ben was exposed once running game broke down and he saw less man to man…scramble around for 7 seconds until someone finally shakes free.
Ravens – no WRs whatsoever. Jury is also out on Flacco. Also not sold on the thought they can overcome loss of Suggs.
I actually see these teams finally coming back to the pack this year. Wouldn’t be surprised at all if they both finished 9-7 and the gals’ took the division at 10-6.
Ty for completing the analysis !
cant argue your points and agree that the SB is just a matter of evaluating 6-7 teams
First off im gonna ignore all comments by fans of team who havent won a Super Bowl EVER (Eagles). Next i ignore the fans of teams who havent won a SB since zubaz pants and flat tops were cool (Cowboys & Redskins). You can all sit around and knock the Giants chances all you want, but the painful truth is they have a better chance of getting another ring that 80% of the teams in the NFL right now. So im sorry your teams either came up short last year or really never had a shot, but try taking a break from being haters for a minute and realize JT was just saying what everybody there was thinking. Dude wasnt making any guarantees. So stop hating and check out those cool ass rings!
@kingcarlbanks – way to jam a reference to zubaz pants into your comment!
Since the Pats did it no team has won back to back Super Bowls since. And given the Giants history they usually miss the playoffs the next year after winning a Super Bowl. We shall see.
Props to the Giants, they got hot at the right time. However they now have a huge target on their back so repeating will be especially difficult. They appear to be a well rounded team so it would not surprise me to see them in the hunt every year. Consistently in the play-offs and 1 more Super Bowl win before we start talking dynasty.
To the dude who said its fixed, really? You must be a Pats fan. The only team Goodell fixes is the Pats, by throwing away their cheat sheet tapes and giving them the easiest schedule in the NFL AFTER they just played in a super bowl. My god, it’s supposed to be based on the previous years standings, well throw that out the window. One of the best records in the nfl and a SB appearance and they get the #1 easiest schedule, and you say the Giants superbowls were fixed?? Really? Just wow, maybe lucky but not fixed, the idiocy amazes me.
To the dude who said its fixed, really? You must be a Pats fan. The only team Goodell fixes is the Pats, by throwing away their cheatsheets and giving them the easiest schedule in the NFL AFTER they just played in a super bowl. My god, it’s supposed to be based on the previous years standings, well throw that out the window. One of the best records in the nfl and a SB appearance and they get the #1 easiest schedule, and you say the Giants superbowls were fixed?? Really? Just wow, maybe lucky but not fixed, the idiocy amazes me.
That’s twice you said that
bigbluecrew420 says:May 17, 2012 2:07 PM
“Brady- yup Eli beat him TWICE last season
Rogers- Yup, Eli sent him home this year too.
Also u think those records don’t mean squat? Yeah your right. Who wants to have the CLUTCHEST QB in NFL history anyways?
Eli battles back better than any QB ever just look at the stats bud!”
Not hard to beat Brady & Rodgers when your defense is sacking them 5 times a game, not hard to beat ‘em when their defenses are the 31st & 32nd ranked…
And if the Giants are so talented and Eli is so elite, why is they always trail late in games against garbage teams like the Cowboys/Seahawks(who they lost to) ?
This is the NFL children, winning is all that matters. If you disagree, look up the opinion of Mr. Lombardi, Mr. Landry, or Mr. Walsh on the subject.
Continue dreaming, and hoping saying ‘ maybe this’ll be our year ‘.
Play the blame game. Say that it was fixed. Call Eli out, say he’s not the same caliber a QB as Rogers, Brees or Brady.
Now call the ownership and mgmt shady, and underhanded.
We’ll keep winning, and fueling the victory parade vehicles with your tears.
See you in New Orleans for XLVII.
Last year I was all like “Aaron Rodgers is my savior”, but this year I’m all like “I wonder if Eli’s d*** tastes salty or sweet? Bet it tastes better than Mr. Discount Double Check’s… even without the special sauce.” Anyway, god does it feels good being a bandwagon fan like half of this thread…. stickin’ like glue to Big Blue, am I right guys?
brb, trading my Jennings jersey in for a Cruz jersey.
dynasties are usually started by 9-7 teams lol G-Men will be 8-8 and finish third in the division if they are lucky
bigbluelou says:
May 17, 2012 5:21 PM
Since the Pats did it no team has won back to back Super Bowls since. And given the Giants history they usually miss the playoffs the next year after winning a Super Bowl. We shall see.
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Giants made the playoffs as the #1 seed in 2008. They were bounced in their first game, but they DID make the playoffs.
I doubt it. The 2 times they have won they had to fight to get in the playoffs and narrowly won their games. Not to mention they were not dominant between Superbowls seasons. Heck between the 2 SB winning seasons they had a double digit 1st round playoff exit and missed the playoffs the next 2 years…
They have a long way to go to be a dynasty.
Even if the Giants win another 2 in 4 years, the whole dynasty thing won’t fit. I’m a huge Giants fan & bleed blue, but winning only 1 division title at 9-7, and 1 Wild Card at 10-6 doesn’t equate to a dynasty. When I think of dynasty, I think of the old Steelers’ Steel Curtain; I think of Lombardi’s Packers; I think of the 90’s Yankees; and I most certainly think of the 80’s NY Islanders. A dynasty is a team that is there every year, wins division titles every year (with or without Super Bowl) & dominates. I’m not even sure the Patriots with Brady & BB qualify as a dynasty, but they are the closest we will get to seeing one in today’s NFL with parity. On the other hand, I wouldn’t mind a couple more titles coming to town. While it may not make a dynasty, those titles would make Eli Manning one of the greatest QB’s in NFL history & finally take him out of Peyton’s shadow.
The “Dynasty” recap videos would be hilarious. They would feature more losses than wins.