Comments on: Packers plan to wait a year or two before retiring Favre’s number

By: frostysouth

frostysouth — Wed, 29 Aug 2012 20:31:01 +0000

As a gun slinger Farve was great and tough as nails, did he add excitement to the Packers? Yes! Did he also lead the NFL in interceptions and fumbles? Yes. You have to admire his work ethic but we do not see the fact that the Packers had a signed contract with Rogers that made him the starter after Farve retired the first time. When he retired again they had already implemented the new contract along with structuring the whole offense to Aaron Rogers. The Packers could not go thru training camp and into the pre season practicing and setting up for the change then switch it all back to Farve to make him the starter. Green Bay had their hand tied and offered several option to Farve that he would not except.
This was not about running Farve out of town it was about signed contracts that now looks like the Packers were right in honoring what they had with Aaron Rogers.
Don’t make this about the organization and Farve was playing Russian roulette and trying to force Green Bay to break the contract with Rogers. Not only did he not assist in Rogers’s development he was trying to get him mad at the Packers.
We need to let this retiring of the number be put on a waiting period like the hall of fame then see how we see it then. (5 Years) Time heals things!

By: rodgers4ever

rodgers4ever — Sun, 19 Aug 2012 22:55:23 +0000

Favre will be remembered as the third best Packers QB ever. He could have retired a god in Green Bay but he chose to go to the Jets which was fine by me and still would have been a God but he crossed the Border and played for the Vikes and now whenever you mention Brett Favre all Packer fans think about is how he betrayed the Packers and went to the Vikes.

By: RedRuffensor

RedRuffensor — Sat, 26 May 2012 03:05:36 +0000

Hell hath no fury like a Packers fan scorned.

To the immature Packers fans who feel “betrayed” by Favre, GET OVER IT!

It’s not Benedict Arnold betraying a nation during wartime, it’s the NFL, where free agency exists and players are mercenaries who hire-out their services to the highest bidders.

Favre had every right to change his mind about retiring, and, when the Packers front office told him that he couldn’t compete for the QB (McCarthy: “that train has left the station”), to insist on a trade. If you were in Favre’s position — still having the talent to be a top-flight QB and having a passion to complete and play the game (which Favre proved in 2009) — you would have done the same thing.

By: rockashar

rockashar — Fri, 25 May 2012 16:35:30 +0000

Im from Canada and went to watch Brett Favres last game at Lambeau….I would never concieve of ever going to Green Bay other than seeing Brett Favre….He was the only reason the Packers were primetime and relevant for 16 years…Its too bad Brett Favre wasted his legendary career in the backwaters of Green Bay.
If I was Favre I would never step foot in wisconsin again.

By: rudedog36

rudedog36 — Fri, 25 May 2012 12:42:35 +0000

Okay i’ll say this one last time for you idiots. Favre quit! He said he was going to retire. MANY TIMES! The packers took his word ( along with everyone else) when he cried on tv. “All good things must come to an end”….Remember? …..Moved on. Then he wanted back…again. He was p.o.’ed. That the packers didn’t take him back for the 1000th time. He wanted to be released at that time to go to the vikings. No way the packers were going to do that. No team would. So off to NY. Us packer fans were fine with that. Matter of fact we all rooted for him. Then the off season he retired AGAIN. Only because he wanted to be released and “stick it to the Packers”. Thats when packer fans got p.o.ed at him. He – Bret Favre – took it personal! He had a vendetta against packer nation. How dare they do that to me attitude.
Now some of you dorks are too young to understand, but some teams have bitter rivals. Us it’s the bears and the viking. For him to go to the vikings for one reason, and one reason alone. Just doesnt sit right. IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH A “BUSINESS” DECISION” like you all say. He was mad at the packers plain and simple.
Again, it would be like “name your favorite player”. Walter payton “retiring” and then going to play for the packers to stick it to the bears. ….Troy Aikman – “retiring” then going to play for the skin’s to stick it to the cowboys. Joe Montana going to the chiefs….then retiring ….then coming back to play for the cowboys, just to stick it to the 49ers.
You see, this hasnt happened before! Ever! So take it from me. I loved the guy, i loved what he did for us. But what he did at the end…..Just P..ses me off!
I’m sure i’ll get over it, but it will take a long time.
Not every packer fan feels that way, but the majority does. So say what you want about Packer fans. Maybe we bleed green and gold, but we arn’t dumb enough to know that most of our players will play for other teams. But when Favre did what he did? He basically flipped us all off.

By: greatfootballmind

greatfootballmind — Thu, 24 May 2012 11:57:50 +0000

Whenever they do decide to do this it will be like inviting your ex-wife who cheated on you over to your house for the afternoon to honor her for all the “good years she gave you” in front of all of your friends while your new more attractive and faithful wife is standing by your side. It will always be awkward. That won’t go away no matter how long they wait.

By: mavajo

mavajo — Wed, 23 May 2012 16:22:31 +0000

The Montana/Favre comparison isn’t apt. Favre said he was done playing, so the Packers moved on to his successor. Montana never said he was done.

I also don’t remember Montana going on FOX News and doing an interview about how the 49′ers were mistreating him. Maybe Favre was just a victim of the new media age. But considering the way Favre used the media to his attention-whoring advantage throughout his career, I have difficult thinking of Favre as a victim to the media.

By: mikebrownistheworstownerinprosports

mikebrownistheworstownerinprosports — Tue, 22 May 2012 19:22:51 +0000

Montana hated Steve Young in SF and barely spoke to him. He asked for a trade to KC, then beat the 49ers and loved every second of it. Do 49ers fans hate Joe Montana? No.

Michael Jordan retired to play baseball. Then he came back. Then he retired again. Then he came back again and played for the Wizards, beating the Bulls several times. Chicago still loves him.

Heck, here in Cincinnati, some Bengals fans still love Carson Palmer after he turned his back on our team and fans. Palmer couldn’t hold Favre’s jock strap. Some of you Packers fans act pretty spoiled and entitled. I wish Brett Favre had been a Bengal.

By: tdelwalk1970

tdelwalk1970 — Tue, 22 May 2012 02:20:38 +0000

His post-season record as a starter is 13-11. 12 playoff appearances, 1 championship. Good, but not “wow”.

By: aaronoverrate

aaronoverrate — Mon, 21 May 2012 23:06:21 +0000

Last I heard being a “perfectionist” was never wanting to make a mistake, therefore I didn’t need to consult Mr Rodgers. You also forget that the gunslinger’s ‘go for it’ plays kept sometimes poor Pack teams in games they had no right to be in.

Tarnished legacy, grow up. I guess Joe Montana tarnished his too as he was no fan of being replaced by Steve Young. This is a business and when you are great and feel you can still play you go where you have to go to play. Favre did that with the Vikings when both teams were equal he kicked Aaron’s and the Packs ass twice at the age of 40.

I find it amusing that fans show their passion towards Favre with the same passion he played the game. Admit it, we all miss him, those that don’t are in denial.

By: hodag54501

hodag54501 — Sun, 20 May 2012 22:03:25 +0000

As a Packers fan since 1961, and having seen many of the greats, it’s fairly easy to see when to retire his number. He’ll be in the Hall of Fame in, what, three years?
That will happen in August.
The first home game in September that year would be the best time.
It also gives both Favre and the organization more time to heal things up.
I’ve moved on. I’m not sure Brett has, but the chances of that happening are more likely with more time.
Oddly enough, the Packers are also facing another possible cut of a very popular player: Donald Driver. There are many quality receivers waiting for time and the ax might fall. By the way, Driver is the Packers all-time leading receiver, having helped put Favre in the postition he’s in. But Driver will handle it differently, and I’m hoping Donald will help Brett come back into the fold.

By: lambeauandlombardi

lambeauandlombardi — Sun, 20 May 2012 17:05:58 +0000

aaronoverrate says:
May 19, 2012 4:41 PM

…..He takes his chances as gunslingers do and way more often than not succeeded but we focus on the times he didn’t. He doesn’t try to be a perfectionist like his successor, which will be his undoing eventually as he is scared to throw INTs by taking chances…too worried about his stats.

GB fans that bash #4 are more of a traitor than they perceive Favre to be. Oh, the irony.

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Wow, I am impressed. You apparently have one on one conversations with Aaron Rodgers, and he divulged to you that he is so worried about his stats that he won`t take chances. More like he is worried about what stupid, bone-headed plays might mean to his team`s chances. Favre equaled Me. Rodgers equals We. I would say give #4 to a rookie long snapper, but why offend the poor guy. If Favre does get his number retired, he will be the only one in that group who tarnished his legacy as a Green Bay Packer, and you ONLY retire the numbers of those who don`t do that.

By: aaronoverrate

aaronoverrate — Sat, 19 May 2012 23:41:00 +0000

Fair comments cornerblitz. I think a lot of young fans follow a trend of bashing as they think that is what is popular to do. Critical thinking basing opinions on sheer emotions instead of understanding all the variables is lost on this generation.

By: cornerblitz

cornerblitz — Sat, 19 May 2012 22:05:44 +0000

Guys, Favre’s bahavior was basically that he wanted this reaction. There are some who really don’t get what Favre contributed on an enormous scale to Packer Nation, but he did leave town acting like a pizzy little girl. Favre built himself up to be somebody (characterwise) he didn’t live up to in the end, and that’s going to take a long time to recover from. But make no mistake about it, Brett was one badass QB and sometimes, literally, unstoppable. 299 consecutive starts? Right? Come on! I think some of you might just be a wee bit too young to really understand because you weren’t there for all of them.

By: dwhitehurst

dwhitehurst — Sat, 19 May 2012 21:54:54 +0000

Let’s retire #4. Then let’s un-retire it 2 weeks later. Then let’s retire it again, but then un-retire it again 3months later.

By: aaronoverrate

aaronoverrate — Sat, 19 May 2012 20:41:47 +0000

The negative comments towards Favre are so tiring and old and childish. Let it go, the man brought excitement and drama to the game and the media ate up how he played good or bad. He takes his chances as gunslingers do and way more often than not succeeded but we focus on the times he didn’t. He doesn’t try to be a perfectionist like his successor, which will be his undoing eventually as he is scared to throw INTs by taking chances…too worried about his stats.

GB fans that bash #4 are more of a traitor than they perceive Favre to be. Oh, the irony.

By: packerzman

packerzman — Sat, 19 May 2012 17:23:53 +0000

If the Packers had let Favre “ride off into the sunset” in GB Aaron Rodgers would be playing for another team (bears or Vikings?) and HE would be the one thats booed and hated among Packer fans..the Packers knew what they had in Rodgers and knew how good he was so they made the tough decision to let Favre go and traded him to the Jets. In hindsight Favre is finally retired after the embarrasing Jenn Sterger scandal and the Packers are still winning and more importantly have a SB trophy…so looking back who actually made out better? ALL Pro sports fans always have a tendency to forget just how good someone was in their prime..Packer fans need to remember just how special Favre was in HIS prime…a 3X MVP and SB champion. That being said it was a fantastic decision and a no-brainer to let him walk when they did.

By: longtymefan

longtymefan — Sat, 19 May 2012 15:27:42 +0000

patsaintsbroncoscheat says: May 18, 2012 9:41 PM

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I am not a fan but you have to give credit where it is due. If you take the total number of ints and the total number of attempts you would find Favre’s int per attempts lower than Fran Tarkenton and right on par with Elway, and Marino.

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Brett= .033
Marino= .030
Elway=.031
Fran= .041

Wonder why you mentioned those names? Interesting..

So lets use the qbs that are mentioned in same breath as him

Peyton = .027
Young= .025
Montana=.025

Big difference

By: stellarperformance

stellarperformance — Sat, 19 May 2012 11:18:28 +0000

It wasn’t the fact that he waffled on retirement. That was annoying but forgivable.

No, what he did was much worse. He orchestrated his own departure by identifying the Vikings as a better chance to win a SuperBowl than his own teammates. To make it happen he tried to gain his unconditional release by pretending to retire, but Ted wasn’t born yesterday.

The circus act that followed was by his own doing. Nobody was fooled (except for some diehard Favre worshippers.) The boos are deserved. His longevity only means he has been a self-centered egomaniac longer than any of the others like him in the NFL…and there are a lot of them. He’s their King.

Tell me all about how you would still respect Adrian Peterson if he pulled the same stunt this summer, and tried to land on the Packers. Sounds inconceivable doesn’t it? That’s what we thought.

Now go get a life.

By: fbismylife

fbismylife — Sat, 19 May 2012 11:12:15 +0000

Undoubtably Brett was an amazing and gifted QB. He was extremely fun to watch – and the love of the game exuded from him all-the-time! Aaron is also amazing and his stats have been better in some respects (so far) because of less interceptions. He hasnt played for 17 years yet…. so dont make the comparisons until then. Lets not forget that back in the day the great QB’s like Favre and Marino didnt have the protection rules the QB’s of today have, and they took bigger beatings – and they still played for 17 years. pure toughness. pure heart.
Its so annoying that you still try to put the blame on Favre and not the Packer org. They all handled it poorly. When you have a QB who is that great and you want to move in a new one (who is also gonna be a great one) its never gonna go smoothly…. but remember, HE DIDNT WANT TO QUIT. thats it. And when you are as great as he was, yeah, you might be a little conceited. There are lots of players like that. Did he make some mistakes? yes – he’s human. Should he be bashed and hated for those mistakes -hell no. I am a life long Packer fan who knows all the good he did and all the amazing, fantastic games he played, and I cant forget any of that or blame him for wanting to play. He was GREAT and should be honored and respected for that.
If the team was so great without him, you shouldnt have cared if he played somewhere else – anywhere else. Packer fans need to show some class and respect the man that gave them everything until the team pushed him out.

By: teamnorsecore

teamnorsecore — Sat, 19 May 2012 05:42:56 +0000

mavajo says:
May 18, 2012 10:58 AM
“You can’t blame the guy for wanting to keep playing. ”

Packer fans don’t blame him for wanting to play. Packer fans blame him for going to the Vikings specifically.

Packer fans have a great, merciless rivalry with the Bears. But we have a certain disdain and disgust for the Vikings. For an ex-Packer to go to Minnesota…it’s like a stink that you can’t get off of you. And what compounds it is that a large part of Favre’s motive for going there was to stick it to the Packers.

So yeah. Don’t simplify this into “Packer fans can’t blame Favre for wanting to play!” We don’t. We blame him for being a vindictive egotistical tool that did everything he could to stick it to the Packers…all because they tried to move on as an organization in the wake of his retirement.
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Hey mavajo,
The feelings of disdain, disgust and downright hatred for your favorite team is mutual.

Sincerely,
All Minnesota Vikings fans

P.S……that “stink that you can’t get off of you” you speak of from The Vikings / fans is called soap…..you should try it sometime…..it makes you clean and will clean the stains out of your Osh Kosh Overalls you wear to the meat raffle at the VFW everyday.

By: longtymefan

longtymefan — Sat, 19 May 2012 05:02:09 +0000

Ok..I am going to respond to each one individually..

Wisconsin77 says: May 18, 2012 3:21 PM

1. TT hired the same guy who orchestrated the PR campaign of WMDs in Iraq to orchestrate a smear campaign against Frave. —-

Ok..So that makes it a smear job?? That example doesnt even fly,..

2. Inaccurate and smeared timeling.—–

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Show me proof of said timeline that is smeared..Back then on his message board the BIGDOG replied to the time line and really didnt say it was a smear job..Just some technicalities

I do happen to have copy of his reply to the time line if you wish to see it.. Actually hereit is

http://www.packerforum.com/threads/time-line-explained-by-brett.17050/#post-254960 I really hope you read it and get back to us
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3. Ari Fleshier using his contacts at the WSJ to write a story on Favre calling him a Diva (he was never referred to as a Diva before this article). btw, WSJ never writes sports stories. Funny how they started with that one.—–

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Even Bus Cook called him a diva, so this is bad why??

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4. Lied about the “packers issued cell phone” that Favre supposedly called the vikings on.—

This I could believe..However the NFL did investigate it and they dont just investigate every claim..there must be solid evidence that it could be an issue..

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Those are just a few, we to go on? Because the list is a long one. —
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Yes go on…I only got one out of those that MIGHT be considered smear stuff…

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In the meantime I suggest you read this article by Christl, a long time and respected sports reporter from the MJS: Google “Christl: No expense spared by team in Favre PR war”

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How about the fact Brett went on Greta and called out coaches and blasted the entire office?

I’ll look forward to more of your smearing examples

By: leroysbutler

leroysbutler — Sat, 19 May 2012 04:57:46 +0000

Teams and year of last blackout/non-sell outPackers (1959)†
Redskins (1965)†
Broncos (1969)†
Steelers (1972)†
Giants (1975)
Jets (1977)
49ers (1981)
Bears (1984)
Cowboys (1990)
Patriots (1993)
Browns (1995)‡
Titans (1997)
Vikings (1997)
Dolphins (1998)
Eagles (1999)
Colts (2002)
Panthers (2002)
Seahawks (2002)
Saints (2004)
Cardinals (2005)
Falcons (2006)
Chiefs (2009)
Jaguars (2009)
Rams (2009)
Lions (2010)
Raiders (2010)
Bengals (2011)
Buccaneers (2011)
Bills (2011)
Chargers (2011)

By: leroysbutler

leroysbutler — Sat, 19 May 2012 04:52:41 +0000

Just so you know: the current NFL blackout policy started in 1972.

By: leroysbutler

leroysbutler — Sat, 19 May 2012 04:47:19 +0000

This is to the morons who said the Packers have had pre-Favre blackouts.

Per Wikipedia: . However, blackouts have never been required: the Packers’ home stadium, Lambeau Field, boasts a five-decade long streak of sellouts. The Denver Broncos, Pittsburgh Steelers, and Washington Redskins also have sellout streaks that predate the current blackout rules, and so have not had any of their home games blacked out since 1972 (each of these teams also have long waiting lists for season tickets).

By: bigjim50010

bigjim50010 — Sat, 19 May 2012 03:42:36 +0000

if it was all favre that brought the team back from the dismal years…. why did they even have to field a team…. just have favre and a center. ppl forget there was a historic change in management of the team… ron wolf…. holmgren…. reggie white and the new mindset got it done.

my issues with favre were the multiple retirement thoughts…. but that was forgiven

having a hissy fit if his GM moves for the team werent heard… forgiven

going to the Jets.. hell everyone still watched him…

it was the going to the vikes.. the calling matt millen… the julius peppers “beat the pack”… the fake enthusiasm you saw him do when with the vikes that he never did when with the pack…

what does Uncle Ted do with most vets on the Pack? it is a business… to extend the life of the program..not an all out for this year and leave things in ruin for 5 years following

it breaks down to one simple thing… he confused Honor thy pack with Honor thy favre

having said all that his number should be retired… the first game after the next packer superbowl win

By: puppypack

puppypack — Sat, 19 May 2012 03:41:19 +0000

HELLO people, Brett Favre was not let go like Peyton Manning, DUH! He CHOSE to retire. Pack went ahead with Aaron Rodgers, they did know he was better at that point, and the ego-maniac Favre wanted back in. To qoute the Mike McCarthy ” the train has left the station.” That’s what Favre could never understand, it wasn’t about him, it was about the future of the organization. The Packers chose correctly. Get over it.

Hey I have an autographed football by Favre, I’m selling, any buyers?

By: jomochiefsfan84

jomochiefsfan84 — Sat, 19 May 2012 03:17:54 +0000

All you packers fans are idiots!!! The packers offered to keep farve only to backup Aaron Rodgers… Why the hell would he do that when he had plenty of football left in him to play? If I were him I would have come back to play for a division rival too if I got dissed by a team that HE made as your franchise & if it wasn’t for him I can guarantee you Rodgers wouldn’t be the QB today if it wasn’t for Farve

By: shaggytoodle

shaggytoodle — Sat, 19 May 2012 03:07:54 +0000

myopinionisrighterthanyours says:May 18, 2012 3:25 PM

how many Conference title games has Rodgers been too? Oh right, one less than Mark.
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How many conference title games has Mark won?

By: vincelombardisghost

vincelombardisghost — Sat, 19 May 2012 03:06:57 +0000

Fabre racked up great stats and was both fun and infuriating to watch (I.e. a long laser-like TD pass followed by a boneheaded ridiculous interception). Ted Thompson saw Favre’s skills declining and knew for the good of team’s future he would need to find a replacement. Favre was irked TT had the audacity to draft a successor. Favre acted entitled. And when his father died he started making decisions on his own and lost his sounding board. Old Irv Favre helped Brett keep his head on straight. Left to his own Brett made decisions like a child.