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Report: Patriots upset with Wes Welker’s contract talk

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Wes Welker’s decision to sign the franchise tag the Patriots put on him earlier this offseason hasn’t done much to tone down any negative feelings that may have been generated over the last few months.

Welker aired his grievances about the way negotiations were (or weren’t, depending on your point of view) progressing with the Patriots on a new contract. Welker said that the team has dropped their offer from two years and $16 million, a revelation that isn’t sitting well with the team.

Shalise Manza Young of the Boston Globe reports that Welker’s public comments about the state of negotiations have not gone over well with the team. Per Young, the wide receiver’s “words have only increased the chances that 2012 will be his final season with the team.”

The Patriots haven’t had much problem saying goodbye to key players in the past. Richard Seymour, Deion Branch and Asante Samuel were all allowed to seek their fortune elsewhere after getting into contract squabbles with the team. Things don’t always play out that way, however. Logan Mankins wound up with a new deal after a more dramatic fight than we’ve seen from Welker, although he was younger and healthier than Welker when he took his stand.

There are still two months to go until the deadline to sign Welker to a long-term deal so there will surely be further developments on this front. Whether or not they play out publicly is another question after this week’s exchange of fire between the two sides.

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  1. maddog111 says: May 18, 2012 11:31 AM

    Whoever they throw in there to replace Welker produces pretty much as much as he does when he’s out. When Mankins was out, the OL just got manhandled. That’s why he got paid. Welker is gone after this year.

  2. LoCoSu@%s says: May 18, 2012 11:31 AM

    I think Welker made a smart move in signing his tender.
    At some point, the franchise can rescind the tag and lower the salary to 120% of his previous years salary.

    Now Welker is guaranteed 9mil+ AND he gets to play for the Pats, assuming he doesnt get traded of course.

  3. khuxford says: May 18, 2012 11:33 AM

    Shouldn’t have signed the tender.

  4. AlanSaysYo says: May 18, 2012 11:33 AM

    It seems quite Belichickian to lowball a franchise player and then complain to the media that your lowball offer was made public.

  5. flash1283 says: May 18, 2012 11:34 AM

    Blah Blah Blah….

    Didn’t we hear this stuff with Wilfork and Mankins?

    Welker will get a deal done with the Patriots that he is happy with.

  6. ppc50 says: May 18, 2012 11:35 AM

    Dallas needs a #3. Trade for him Jerry!

  7. askbri says: May 18, 2012 11:35 AM

    I’d love for the Pats to let him go…

    They’d never even “sniff” the Super Bowl again (nevermind win it – we already know they’ll never do THAT without cheating!)

    The Patriot Way strikes again!

  8. miriam45 says: May 18, 2012 11:35 AM

    As a Dolphin fan, maybe we’ll take him back for that 2nd round draft pick. LOL (what were the Dolphins thinking in the first place?)

  9. nflmastermind says: May 18, 2012 11:35 AM

    oh no what are they afraid he’s going to expose how cheap they are and how they really don’t care about their players as they say they do

  10. castorcf says: May 18, 2012 11:36 AM

    Patriot Way or Bust.

  11. patsman12 says: May 18, 2012 11:36 AM

    If the 16 million was “G” he should take it, if he gets hurt this year his stock and salary will go way down. Plus the NFL is catching up to slot receiver’s in the NFL by putting 5 and 10 CB’s on them or a free safety.

  12. theashleyguy says: May 18, 2012 11:40 AM

    He led the league in receptions in 2007, 2009, and 2011–every other year. So he can play this year with the Patriots, let another team pick him up and then lead the league again in receptions (only with the new team). I think he is a class act and an outstanding performer. True, he just turned 31, but he seems to keep his body in excellent shape. He probably has 3 to 4 years left. I hope he takes his skills somewhere else. I know we’d love to have him.

  13. steelernationisthepinnacleofexistenceyouarenothing says: May 18, 2012 11:40 AM

    This is why the Steeler Nation continues to show superiority over the league. When will other teams get a clue?

  14. Patskrieg dot com says: May 18, 2012 11:42 AM

    The Patriots have tried their luck emptying their talent pool at WR to save money. It got us a Doug Gabriel / Reche Caldwell passing attack that staggered all the way to the AFC Championship when Caldwell dropped the most wide open TD pass of all time. It was the reason the Pats went out and got Welker and Randy Moss in the first place.

    Pay the man.

  15. brewdogg says: May 18, 2012 11:43 AM

    I’m starting to wonder exactly how crappy an organization the Patriots are when so many players who should be soaking up the stardom are instead focused on the misdeeds of management.

    Then again….considering the face that Belichick wears every day and the uniform support he is given by the fans, maybe it’s not just management that is the problem up there…..

    No, I’m not a Jets fan. Or the fan of an AFC team. Or the fan of a team that has lost a big game to the Pats. I have no personal grudge against the team.

    But apparently their own players do.

  16. delmonte55 says: May 18, 2012 11:44 AM

    I like Welker, but I think he is a product of the system. Not much production at Miami, but get Brady throwing to you……they can plug another slot receiver in there.

  17. madsqgrdn says: May 18, 2012 11:48 AM

    Yeah they’ve done really well since they let seymor go.
    #lastInDefense

  18. solvethepuzzleautism says: May 18, 2012 11:48 AM

    cut him he’s a crying baby

  19. theashleyguy says: May 18, 2012 11:48 AM

    steelernationisthepinnacle..
    You don’t get it do you? This is why the entire country dislikes your team–you take a story about Wes Welker and the Patriots and try to make it about you. Sad…

  20. rc33 says: May 18, 2012 11:50 AM

    steelernationisthepinnacleofexistenceyouarenothing says: May 18, 2012 11:40 AM

    This is why the Steeler Nation continues to show superiority over the league. When will other teams get a clue?
    —————————-

    Uh, OK.
    If you can’t beat Tebow…and you can’t…maybe you should just zip it for now.

  21. ebbycalvinlaloosh says: May 18, 2012 11:51 AM

    Neither player nor team is in the wrong. Welker wants to make as much money as he can, the Pats are shrewd at managing salaries. Both positions are completely justifiable. If they can reach a compromise, he’ll be there next year. If not, he won’t. No villain here, just two parties looking out for their best interest.

  22. buddybowl69 says: May 18, 2012 11:52 AM

    The Giants are a dynasty like no other. They will win every game from here on out, no competition at all. All are welcome to jump on the bandwagon and ride it to eternal victory. All other fans are fools, and will be rooting for substandard teams that will be laid awaste of the mighty Giants dynasty.

  23. jacksaysfu says: May 18, 2012 11:53 AM

    Steelers fans can be such clowns

  24. medialovesthecowboys says: May 18, 2012 11:56 AM

    Let this guy go, cause you know he thinks he’s worth it. And then watch him be exposed for the mediocre receiver he is. (See: Deion Branch)

  25. ras1tafari says: May 18, 2012 11:57 AM

    Misdeeds of management?

    GIVE ME A BREAK.

    Some of you are so footy-pajama obsessed with your team that you lose sight of one simple fact. the NFL is a business. People don’t own teams or make financial decisions based on what Brewdogg from East Bumhole is going to think.

    Team only have so much money to spend. You have ZERO idea what running a franchise means, so pipe down. If the organization places a specific value on your binky that you thin is low-ball, there’s a reason for it.

  26. giselleisasucubus says: May 18, 2012 11:58 AM

    what does he expect? He KNEW what he was doing. You going to tell me that this guy, suspended for a qtr in a playoff game for foot jokes, didnt realize how pissed the Pats would be when he talked about his contract talks? This was calculated, and as Pats fans will remember, this is starting to look like Deion Branch circa 2006 all over again. Thing is, he is replaceable, and Bill knows it. He’ll be traded in March of 2013, after the Pats franchise him for a 2nd straight year.

  27. andrewproughcfe says: May 18, 2012 11:59 AM

    Super Bowl game winning catches:
    Santonio 1
    Hines 1
    Plax 1
    Welker 0

    Tells me all I need to know.

  28. kacapaco says: May 18, 2012 11:59 AM

    It is leverage league, and unfortunately Welker doesn’t have much that. After this season, he will be 32 yrs old Slot and his value will be 8M for 2 yrs at max. He better accept Pats offer now.

  29. weepingjebus says: May 18, 2012 11:59 AM

    It’s a real chicken v. egg quandry. Would he have rated a $9.5 million tender if he played somewhere else? Is he great, or great with Brady? We’ll never know.

    Haha, just joking. Every WR that leaves Brady goes into an immediate and steep decline. Welker should latch onto the Patriots like a lamprey and never let go. Riches and the HOF shall be his reward.

  30. wideright91 says: May 18, 2012 12:02 PM

    Hey Wes,
    Break up with your boyfriend Tom Brady, and come play for the Bills. Us fans, the Bills players, and management will appreciate your hard work and dedication, and pay for it. Ask Fred Jackson.
    Bills = class
    Pats = not class

  31. derrick2020 says: May 18, 2012 12:02 PM

    steelernationisthepinnacleofexistenceyouarenothing says: May 18, 2012 11:40 AM

    This is why the Steeler Nation continues to show superiority over the league. When will other teams get a clue?

    ————————-
    Yeah your team doesn’t have a WR that they’re trying to lowball into signing a 1-year tender.

    Oh, that’s right you have Mike Wallace that they didn’t even franchise; they gave him the RFA tender of $2.7 million.

  32. blue18hutthutt says: May 18, 2012 12:02 PM

    steelernationisthepinnacleofexistenceyouarenothing – are you a special needs kid?

  33. patsfiend says: May 18, 2012 12:06 PM

    Sounds just like the Mankins situation. This will work out just fine. Either he plays one year at 9.5 and then he’s out, or they work something out for a longer-term contract. Pats are ready to roll, either way.

    The problem with the Welker situation is that it’s not possible to establish his value (or lack thereof) on the open market without him actually, you know, playing for another team.

    He’s a great Patriot, and by all accounts a good guy. I hope they keep him (3 years max), but there’s no way he’s close to the top of the league without Brady throwing the ball to him. Maybe they’ll trade him to the Donks, and he can be Peyton’s security blanket.

  34. CKL says: May 18, 2012 12:09 PM

    madsqgrdn says: May 18, 2012 11:48 AM

    Yeah they’ve done really well since they let seymor go.
    #lastInDefense
    ___________________________________
    I usually ignore a lot of eyerolling posts from the usual suspects but this one is too much. There isn’t ONE thing about this statement that is correct.

    They’ve never been last in defense under BB…ever. And Seymour got his money, which is all he cared about (and all he cared about since 05, when the Pats gave him a HUGE contract). He already had rings. Pats have been in the playoffs every year since they traded him and they got their replacement for Matt Light with the pick they got for him. Meanwhile….Oakland looks to be going in the right direction now and I respect that, but they haven’t done much winning with Seymour there. He even gifted my team with an utterly dopey personal foul so he could show off what the Pats were missing when they played last season. Thanks Richard!

    As for SMY, she is saying what I suspected and posted yesterday about Welker. She’s pretty well connected from what I’ve seen over the years so I wouldn’t doubt her info.

  35. morgan420 says: May 18, 2012 12:12 PM

    The patriots are rich greedy basterds

  36. redrew says: May 18, 2012 12:19 PM

    Troy Brown caught 100+ balls from Brady back when Brady was green. Now Wes gets the catches…..big woop. Lets remember, Welker padded his stats this year in the first few games when defenses weren’t up to speed. Half the QBs in the league were chuckin for 350+ in September….Brady had a 500 yd game and 2 400 yarders.
    Wes has a choice…Be WES WELKER for the Pats, or a wealthier slot WR for a crap team. Wes will cave….he likes be Bray’s little buddy.

  37. 6ball says: May 18, 2012 12:23 PM

    .

    All successful businesses have a business model and a budget. Companies are usually strict about sticking to each.

    .

  38. mornelithe says: May 18, 2012 12:30 PM

    As much as I like Welker, he does need to be realistic about his age, and about the Patriots immediate future. He does ‘deserve’ more money, for his performances over the last few years (excluding his knee, which isn’t his fault), but he also has to realize that Gronk and Hernandez are right around the corner. And they are also needed as well.

    He may need to sign with another team, to get all his due, because I really don’t think the Pats have the cap space to be able to pay him as much as he deserves. It would be a shame to see him go, but I could understand that, just as easily as I can see why the Pats can’t afford to spend as much as he (and likely they) would like.

    Either way, he’s a great player, and has at least a couple good years left in him. I hope the Pats and Welker can come to an agreement, but if not, I wish him the best of luck on whatever team he finds himself on.

  39. jimyritz says: May 18, 2012 12:32 PM

    They won’t give Wes a legit 3 yr deal but they gave 3 years to Ochostinko…Please, good QB’s make good receivers and good receivers make good QB’s…If Welker was available in free agency how many teams would be willing to give him a 3yr deal at $27+ million? at least 10…

  40. steeler999 says: May 18, 2012 12:33 PM

    The Patriots know what they’re doing. Subtract Welker, & Brady still has at least 4 other quality receivers to throw to. They’re not going to break the bank for a guy who does most of his damage between the hash marks.

  41. tallguyme says: May 18, 2012 12:33 PM

    I love how people complain about how the Patriots do things. It’s not like they are being “cheap” with Welker in order to put more money in the owner’s pockets. It’s to work within the confines of the salaray cap, and have enough money to field an actual TEAM with above average players at EVERY position. That’s the goal. What should they do, spend 50% of the cap on 2-3 guys then have the rest of the team be a bunch of scrubs? How did that work for Washington back in the day?

  42. lucky5934 says: May 18, 2012 12:36 PM

    Hey Redrew,

    Keep in mind that Welker took what Troy Brown did and did it A LOT better!. Only player in history with four seasons of at least 110 catches. On top of that, no players in the last five years has had as many catches as Welker had last year (122 receptions). So it wasn’t just last year when as you claimed “Defenses weren’t up to speed”, he has been a consistent and intricate part of this offense for a while. The Patriots have shown him a bit of disrespect by taking the offer off the table. I don’t agree with him going public by any means, but if you are going to disrespect a player who has helped maintain this franchise’s success (Not to mention the only reliable WR since in the last few years), then they should expect a little slap in the face in return.

  43. bigjimatch says: May 18, 2012 12:37 PM

    Everyone on the Pats is expected to play for short money, except for Management (which gets to be the highest paid in sports). That the Patriot (Belichick) Way.

  44. truthhurtstoo says: May 18, 2012 12:41 PM

    pats just like to whine…. it’s their thing

  45. careerender56 says: May 18, 2012 12:43 PM

    Kind of interesting, manningham makes a spectacular catch to help win the Super Bowl and get a nice free agent deal from the 9ers. Welker drops the a possible game sealing catch and he is being low-balled.

    its crazy but thats how this league works, all about what have you done lately

  46. Steeley McBeam says: May 18, 2012 12:53 PM

    Ugh when will people learn that steelernationisthepinnacleofexistenceyouarenothing is not a Steelers fan hes just trying to give them a bad name. Reverse-trolling I guess?

  47. cannonballdookie says: May 18, 2012 12:59 PM

    Pay him or move on. I would really like Welker if he played on any other team, I just hope this is his last year here and he can still produce somewhere else to prove everyone wrong yet again.

  48. jolink653 says: May 18, 2012 1:00 PM

    wideright91 says:
    May 18, 2012 12:02 PM
    Hey Wes,
    Break up with your boyfriend Tom Brady, and come play for the Bills. Us fans, the Bills players, and management will appreciate your hard work and dedication, and pay for it. Ask Fred Jackson.
    Bills = class
    Pats = not class

    ____________________________________

    yea because all that “class” your team displays has won them the division every year and three super bowls right?

  49. cannonballdookie says: May 18, 2012 1:04 PM

    theashleyguy says: May 18, 2012 11:48 AM

    steelernationisthepinnacle..
    You don’t get it do you? This is why the entire country dislikes your team–you take a story about Wes Welker and the Patriots and try to make it about you. Sad…
    ———————————-

    That idiot is not representative of Steelers fans.

  50. lawlok says: May 18, 2012 1:04 PM

    Kind of interesting, manningham makes a spectacular catch to help win the Super Bowl and get a nice free agent deal from the 9ers. Welker drops the a possible game sealing catch and he is being low-balled.

    its crazy but thats how this league works, all about what have you done lately

    ————————————————

    Manningham is on a two year contract that’s about as much money total as Welker will make this year under the franchise tag.

  51. hulkhogansays says: May 18, 2012 1:07 PM

    It’s so cute when these Patriot players SEE other teammates get screwed before there own eyes but think when it’s there time to renegotiate they’ll be a special case. Idiot Wes…You SAW how they screwed over Randy who is a BILLION times better than you. WHAT THE HELL DID YOU THINK WOULD HAPPEN TO YOU BROTHER?! I can only laugh LOUDLY!

  52. gisellichek says: May 18, 2012 1:08 PM

    I love this site… seriously… where can you get 50 people commenting on a situation I promise they have no first hand knowledge of and make statements that are in some cases so ridiculous, they are laughable…

    Now that is entertainment… keep up the good work folks…

    BTW… Welker is back next year … The Pats will win the East (Again) … Wes will put up sick numbers … and lastly I really like our chances to get back to the big game!!!

  53. bozosforall says: May 18, 2012 1:09 PM

    This just confirms that fact that New Englanders are the biggest bunch of crybabies on the planet.

  54. rockthered1286 says: May 18, 2012 1:09 PM

    andrewproughcfe says:
    May 18, 2012 11:59 AM
    Super Bowl game winning catches:
    Santonio 1
    Hines 1
    Plax 1
    Welker 0

    Tells me all I need to know.
    ________________________
    Can I qualify you as a moron? You basically just said the Steelers BARELY won 3 SB’s while the Pats pretty much controlled all of their SB’s without almost giving it up. As I Ravens fan I hate both teams, and yet I have no prob defending Welker and Brady here.

    Pat yourself on the back for that one. Pun intended.

  55. mornelithe says: May 18, 2012 1:12 PM

    jimyritz says:
    May 18, 2012 12:32 PM
    They won’t give Wes a legit 3 yr deal but they gave 3 years to Ochostinko…Please, good QB’s make good receivers and good receivers make good QB’s…If Welker was available in free agency how many teams would be willing to give him a 3yr deal at $27+ million? at least 10…
    ——————————————–

    I know if you don’t look at the numbers, that sounds weird. But, Johnson’s contract was originally 3 yrs for 11.5 million. (Earning nearly 6 million in 2011). As of March 2012, his contract was restructured way, way down. His base salary in 2012 was $3 mil, now it’s $1 mil.

    That’s a far, FAR cry from the money Welker gets with the franchise tag, and the money a longer term contract would entail.

    Not that I think Johnson deserves it, obviously he made a killing for doing virtually nothing last year. But still, perspective is warranted in this.

  56. Hammerjacker says: May 18, 2012 1:14 PM

    ebbycalvinlaloosh says:
    May 18, 2012 11:51 AM
    Neither player nor team is in the wrong. Welker wants to make as much money as he can, the Pats are shrewd at managing salaries. Both positions are completely justifiable. If they can reach a compromise, he’ll be there next year. If not, he won’t. No villain here, just two parties looking out for their best interest.
    ————————————————-

    Fact.

  57. bozosforall says: May 18, 2012 1:14 PM

    medialovesthecowboys says:
    May 18, 2012 11:56 AM
    Let this guy go, cause you know he thinks he’s worth it. And then watch him be exposed for the mediocre receiver he is. (See: Deion Branch)

    __
    OR see Stallworth, Watson, Gaffney…all Pats WRs whose career years were with teams that weren’t the Pats.

    Time to put the stupid myth that Brady makes WRs better to rest right now.

  58. bozosforall says: May 18, 2012 1:18 PM

    rockthered1286 says:
    May 18, 2012 1:09 PM
    andrewproughcfe says:
    May 18, 2012 11:59 AM
    Super Bowl game winning catches:
    Santonio 1
    Hines 1
    Plax 1
    Welker 0

    Tells me all I need to know.
    ________________________
    Can I qualify you as a moron? You basically just said the Steelers BARELY won 3 SB’s while the Pats pretty much controlled all of their SB’s without almost giving it up. As I Ravens fan I hate both teams, and yet I have no prob defending Welker and Brady here.

    Pat yourself on the back for that one. Pun intended.

    __
    Winning three titles by three points is hardly “controlling all of their SBs”. The fact that you are a Baltimore fan does explain the idiocy of your comment though.

  59. bozosforall says: May 18, 2012 1:20 PM

    weepingjebus says:
    May 18, 2012 11:59 AM
    It’s a real chicken v. egg quandry. Would he have rated a $9.5 million tender if he played somewhere else? Is he great, or great with Brady? We’ll never know.

    Haha, just joking. Every WR that leaves Brady goes into an immediate and steep decline. Welker should latch onto the Patriots like a lamprey and never let go. Riches and the HOF shall be his reward.

    __
    Ben Watson = career year the year AFTER he left the Patriots

    Jabar Gaffney = career year AFTER he left the Patriots.

    Just two examples that refute your lame analysis.

    Thumbs down if you are in complete denial of what the statistics plainly show.

  60. mullman7675 says: May 18, 2012 1:23 PM

    Matt Cassell proved that in NE, it’s the SYSTEM, not the player that matter. Plus, Belichick and Kraft have a history of “sticking it” to players who have been loyal and intricate to their success over the past 10+ seasons.
    It’s no matter, after of few hours of reviewing opponents practice tapes/ hand signals, the patriots can plug in Edelman or Woodhead and get similar production.

  61. Hammerjacker says: May 18, 2012 1:24 PM

    bozosforall says:
    May 18, 2012 1:14 PM
    medialovesthecowboys says:
    May 18, 2012 11:56 AM
    Let this guy go, cause you know he thinks he’s worth it. And then watch him be exposed for the mediocre receiver he is. (See: Deion Branch)

    __
    OR see Stallworth, Watson, Gaffney…all Pats WRs whose career years were with teams that weren’t the Pats.

    Time to put the stupid myth that Brady makes WRs better to rest right now.

    ————————————————-

    Stallworth’s career year WAS with the Pats.
    Statistically Gaffney’s was last year with the Skins only due to a lack of other talent and options on the offense. Watson was a disappointment most of his time in NE and CLE alike. Oh wait, its bozosforall, nevermind. As you were.

  62. mullman7675 says: May 18, 2012 1:27 PM

    @gissellecheck: But you’re deep on the inside, right bro? Keep spooning that chowder chuckles…

  63. theandy59 says: May 18, 2012 1:28 PM

    You don’t win a lot of championships with a bunch of money tied up in guys on the back side of their careers (QB’s excepted). Soon, Gronkowski, and Hernandez will need to be paid too, but they’re young. I love Welker, and I want New England to work this out. But I trust in the plan they have in place – you know, the one that’s gone 66-14 in the regular season since the start of 2007, including a 16-0 campaign, made the play-offs every year but one (when they finished 11-5), and made two SB appearances. You can poke fun that they lost the two SB’s, but fellas, you gotta get to the game in order to win it. Right Jet’s fans? I’ll take another five year run like that and take my chances again in the Super Bowls…

  64. realtimeeyes says: May 18, 2012 1:28 PM

    The day the check clears the bank I would go to management and say……OK you only offered me 80%…that’s all you’re getting from me this year…bite me bill!

  65. mark0226 says: May 18, 2012 1:33 PM

    This article isn’t about Welker deserving more money or his value to the team. This article is about the Pats crying because their tactics are being discussed in public. Boo-frickin-who. If they thought lowering the offer instead of increasing the offer was a good idea, then they should own up to it. He didn’t accept the first offer, but they thought he would accept a lower offer?

    Anyway, he wasn’t complaining about it or the team. He just stated a fact. They lowered the offer, so he signed his tender and is ready to play one year for $9.5 mil. The ball is in their court if they want to keep him longer, but lowering the offer is not going to make him cave.

  66. trojan33sc says: May 18, 2012 1:36 PM

    statistically he didn’t exist prior to playing for the Patriots. Post his time with the Patriots he will no longer exist, just take the freaking $9M, thank them and sock your $$$$ away. it’s a Business, deal with it and i doubt any corporation is waiting around for Welker to retire so they can pay him a $9M annual salary.

  67. flash1283 says: May 18, 2012 1:40 PM

    bozosforall says: May 18, 2012 1:09 PM

    This just confirms that fact that New Englanders are the biggest bunch of crybabies on the planet.–

    ————-

    And the 30 post per day on anything and everything Patriot related from Blowsforall confirms
    he is the biggest no life loser on the planet.

    Could anyone possibly have more time on there hands?

  68. 69allday says: May 18, 2012 1:42 PM

    Probably a stupid question-can someone tell me why when I post something, it disappears the next time I refresh-kinda new at this. Thanks.

  69. flash1283 says: May 18, 2012 1:43 PM

    mullman7675 says: May 18, 2012 1:23 PM

    Matt Cassell proved that in NE, it’s the SYSTEM, not the player that matter. Plus, Belichick and Kraft have a history of “sticking it” to players who have been loyal and intricate to their success over the past 10+ seasons.
    It’s no matter, after of few hours of reviewing opponents practice tapes/ hand signals, the patriots can plug in Edelman or Woodhead and get similar production.

    ——–

    So by that same logic Steve Young proved that in SF its the System.

  70. beastup22 says: May 18, 2012 1:45 PM

    He should just shut up and take the 9 milly. He is the most overrated receiver in the history of the league. Put him on any other team and his production will drop in half.

  71. lucky5934 says: May 18, 2012 1:50 PM

    Flash1283,

    They have tried Edelman and Woodhead. Those two weren’t adequate in filling Welker’s shoes as the Patriots would have liked. And no it is not the system. It is a combination of the system and having an excellent player that fits that system. They both need each other to maximize their success.

  72. flash1283 says: May 18, 2012 1:54 PM

    bozosforall says: May 18, 2012 1:14 PM

    medialovesthecowboys says:
    May 18, 2012 11:56 AM
    Let this guy go, cause you know he thinks he’s worth it. And then watch him be exposed for the mediocre receiver he is. (See: Deion Branch)

    __
    OR see Stallworth, Watson, Gaffney…all Pats WRs whose career years were with teams that weren’t the Pats.

    Time to put the stupid myth that Brady makes WRs better to rest right now.
    ——-

    Really

    David Patton best season -NE
    David Givens Best season -NE
    Deon Branch Best season -NE
    Randy Moss record breaking season -NE
    Wes Welker best season -NE
    Reche Caldwel best season NE

  73. lucky5934 says: May 18, 2012 1:55 PM

    Beastup22,

    Of course his production would drop on another team. He and Brady are so in sync with each other that they are always on the same page with as a little as a look being necessary to communicate their next move. That chemistry has been developed over time because of the intelligence both players bring to the table. Yes, Welker fits the Patriots system, but you have to have talent as well. Welker is the only player in league history to have four seasons with at least 110 catches. So he is obviously talented. And if it was just the system, other receivers would have stepped up by now. You want to talk about the most overrated WR in the league, try Welker’s teammate who came over from the Bengals. Welker may not deserve top notch money, but he definitely deserves more than he is being offered. And for the record. Welker already signed the 9 million franchise tender. He was smart to do so.

  74. kate773 says: May 18, 2012 2:09 PM

    flash1283 says:
    May 18, 2012 1:40 PM
    bozosforall says: May 18, 2012 1:09 PM

    This just confirms that fact that New Englanders are the biggest bunch of crybabies on the planet.–

    ————-

    And the 30 post per day on anything and everything Patriot related from Blowsforall confirms
    he is the biggest no life loser on the planet.

    Could anyone possibly have more time on there hands?

    _______________________________

    Bozo makes me sad for him. You have to be a special kind of pathetic to derive such joy from trying to annoy people.

  75. nfl1818 says: May 18, 2012 2:12 PM

    Bozosforall – dont forget to take your medicine – I am concerned

  76. xxwhodatxx says: May 18, 2012 2:12 PM

    steelernationisthepinnacleofexistenceyouarenothing says:
    May 18, 2012 11:40 AM
    This is why the Steeler Nation continues to show superiority over the league. When will other teams get a clue?

    —-

    I have to admit this crazy guy is pretty funny.

  77. watermelon1 says: May 18, 2012 2:14 PM

    The patriots don’t need him. Tom Brady made him. Welker would be a non factor on any team with a Mediocre QB and without two huge receiving tight ends.

    Only way Welker leaves the patriots and remains relevant is if he goes to play with Peyton manning or Aaron Rodgers.

  78. gafraidh says: May 18, 2012 2:20 PM

    Quite honestly, from the Shalise Manza Young article, I’m not even sure what this means…

    “According to a team source, Welker’s decision to go public in recent weeks about negotiations has not gone over well with the Patriots; two weeks ago, when he made appearances on various ESPN programs, he made reference to holding out at least through full-team minicamp next month. His words have only increased the chances that 2012 will be his final season with the team.”

    The quotes are mine. She indicates that according to a team source blah, blah, blah. Is that entire paragraph from the team source, or is it speculation on the part of Shalise and the Globe editorial staff?

  79. siaaa says: May 18, 2012 2:21 PM

    losing Richard Seymore was the biggest mistake the Pats ever made. it might have cost them the 2 super bowls. they took the heart right out of that defense. so BB is not as smart as advertised.

  80. trefkennedy says: May 18, 2012 2:23 PM

    Why would anyone wanna join the pats anymore?? They haven’t won a superbowl since Feb 05, until this season hadn’t won a playoff game since 2007-08

  81. dubblelznhell says: May 18, 2012 2:25 PM

    This reminds me of the whole Moss situation before they traded him. I don’t think he was on a tender, but Moss also voiced his displeasure with negotiations (or a lack thereof). Brady ended up looking elsewhere on the field and Moss got traded…twice. And had the worst season of his career. Hopefully, this does not happen to Wes. He’s a good receiver who works hard. He had a decent last year in Miami (600-700 yards) and considering Miami’s notorious and continuous lack of quarterback who can win games, his “lack of production” there should be viewed more as a product of Miami’s system.

  82. EJ says: May 18, 2012 2:29 PM

    I hope the Patriots get bit in the ass for complaining. Ever heard of freedom of speech? Welker apparently wasn’t happy about the fact that the Patriots offered him less than the last contract, can you blame him? I’d be pissed too.

    One thing I just don’t understand about NFL teams is the fact that they will fine a player for not meeting with the press, but then get pissed off when a player actually does speak to them… makes no sense.

    Welker needs to play this season out and then take the first train outta town. Welker may only be an average to good wideout, but the one thing he does have is massive chemistry with their starting QB Brady. Brady knows exactly when and where to throw the ball and Welker knows what Brady wants by just looking at him. When Welker leaves, NE will feel the pain of letting him go. Should have gave the guy what he deserves. Geez, the Pats know how to cheat everything and everyone.

  83. patfaninbflo says: May 18, 2012 2:32 PM

    rockthered1286 says: May 18, 2012 1:09 PM

    andrewproughcfe says:
    May 18, 2012 11:59 AM
    Super Bowl game winning catches:
    Santonio 1
    Hines 1
    Plax 1
    Welker 0

    Tells me all I need to know.
    ________________________
    Can I qualify you as a moron? You basically just said the Steelers BARELY won 3 SB’s while the Pats pretty much controlled all of their SB’s without almost giving it up. As I Ravens fan I hate both teams, and yet I have no prob defending Welker and Brady here.

    Pat yourself on the back for that one. Pun intended.

    —————————————-

    I think the Steelers barely won 2 of those. Plaxico helped the Giants barely win the other, which was unfortunately versus the Pats. At least Ravens and Pats fans can find common ground in their hatred of the Steelers! What are your feelings about the Jets?

  84. 1historian says: May 18, 2012 2:39 PM

    Steelernation – we ALL know that your team, has won the whole thing in 6 different years.

    last year was not one of them.

    We are talking “whathaveyoudoneformelately?” here.

    Patriots – pay the man. Mr. Kraft – put an end to this lousy treatment of one of the MOST popular players on the team and the whole area. If you are looking for a way to piss off – THE FRANCHISE – I can’t think of a better one.

  85. richie500 says: May 18, 2012 2:51 PM

    rc33 says:
    May 18, 2012 11:50 AM
    steelernationisthepinnacleofexistenceyouarenothing says: May 18, 2012 11:40 AM

    This is why the Steeler Nation continues to show superiority over the league. When will other teams get a clue?
    —————————-

    Uh, OK.
    If you can’t beat Tebow…and you can’t…maybe you should just zip it for now.

    And Eli owns you!

  86. dyims says: May 18, 2012 2:51 PM

    And bozosforall is in first place in the race for the biggest idiot posting on these blogs.

  87. jswheeler says: May 18, 2012 2:56 PM

    I love the irony that Bellichick is the highest paid coach while he low balls the players in contracts. How many catches did BB have last year? If he truly feels that the patriot way is to play and get underpaid then he should be more than willing to take a pay cut and lead by example.

  88. 6ball says: May 18, 2012 3:11 PM

    .

    Some have called the Patriots cheap, yet they annually spend to the cap limit.

    Some have said Welker is being treated shabbily, yet be will be paid 9.4 million by the Patriots this year.

    Some have said, ” pay the man”. Okay I agree. But please include how much and for how long?

    5 years – 75 million?

    Also, remember that gronkowski,hernandez et al are on deck. They simply can’t pay everyone top dollar. Sometimes players have to go to another team to get the contract they seek. Benjarvis Green Ellis is such a player.

    .

  89. tdk24 says: May 18, 2012 3:42 PM

    He can’t talk about feet, he can’t talk about contracts. Time to walk away Wes. Go to a team that will let you be a man. Besides, they are only good enough to lose SB’s and soon they won’t even be able to get THAT far.

  90. bozosforall says: May 18, 2012 3:45 PM

    jolink653 says:
    May 18, 2012 1:00 PM
    wideright91 says:
    May 18, 2012 12:02 PM
    Hey Wes,
    Break up with your boyfriend Tom Brady, and come play for the Bills. Us fans, the Bills players, and management will appreciate your hard work and dedication, and pay for it. Ask Fred Jackson.
    Bills = class
    Pats = not class

    ____________________________________

    yea because all that “class” your team displays has won them the division every year and three super bowls right?

    __
    “Class” has nothing to do with winning…the Pats showed that cheating will get the winning part for you…especially if you have a commissioner who will slap you on the wrist once you get caught.

  91. nuclearwarfare says: May 18, 2012 3:50 PM

    You mean to tell me that this man has the absolute NERVE to go against the Patriot Way?

    I thought I had only heard about that in fiction stories…

  92. artvan15 says: May 18, 2012 3:51 PM

    If you would have caught that ball in the SB you would be getting paid.

  93. lucky5934 says: May 18, 2012 4:08 PM

    Artvan15,

    So let me get this straight. In the Superbowl, Welker had a fourth of the team’s rushing yards (As a WR) and over a fifth of it’s receiving yards, yet that one non-catch is the ultimate reason he is not getting a long term contract? Just wondering, because I doubt the Patriots sat down with Wes and said, “” You know we like you Wes. And if it was up to the football Gods, we would pay you what you deserve. But you see, we just can’t get that ONE drop out of our minds. I hope you understand. Oh by the way, we are going to franchise you and then low-ball counter our original offer to you. Hope you understand. PS, don’t talk to the media about this. The “Patriot Way” might be tarnished in the eyes of our fans.””

  94. nspatriot says: May 18, 2012 4:25 PM

    I have been a welker fan for a long time. I say get what you can for him now. Or cut him. There are 9.5 million reasons to.

  95. Steeler's Will says: May 18, 2012 4:30 PM

    rockthered1286 says:
    You basically just said the Steelers BARELY won 3 SB’s while the Pats pretty much controlled all of their SB’s without almost giving it up. As I Ravens fan I hate both teams, and yet I have no prob defending Welker and Brady here.

    Pat yourself on the back for that one. Pun intended.
    ——————–
    Not to defend @andrewproughcfe (although his comment is more in the context of the actual topic than yours) but lolwhat? Not taking anything away from the victories, but Adam V was robbed of the MVP for two of those Patriot SB wins. Hardly controlling the outcome, just spectacular play by Brady et al and a clutch kicker doing his job. Awwww, too soon Ravens fan?

  96. Hammerjacker says: May 18, 2012 4:31 PM

    jswheeler says:
    May 18, 2012 2:56 PM
    I love the irony that Bellichick is the highest paid coach while he low balls the players in contracts. How many catches did BB have last year? If he truly feels that the patriot way is to play and get underpaid then he should be more than willing to take a pay cut and lead by example.
    —————————————————–

    Good idea, with the cap space BB taking a paycut will free up we would be able to.. wait.

  97. nspatriot says: May 18, 2012 4:47 PM

    BB is the highest paid coach because he CAN get players to sign for less. Period.

  98. pastabelly says: May 18, 2012 4:51 PM

    LoCoSu@%s says:May 18, 2012 11:31 AM

    I think Welker made a smart move in signing his tender.
    At some point, the franchise can rescind the tag and lower the salary to 120% of his previous years salary.

    Now Welker is guaranteed 9mil+ AND he gets to play for the Pats, assuming he doesnt get traded of course.
    ==================================
    disagree, he should have signed the two years for $16 million. but i agree that to the extent he didn’t want that deal, that signing tender was the right move. not sure why he is negotiating in public.

  99. lucky5934 says: May 18, 2012 4:54 PM

    I didn’t think coaching staff salaries are tied to the salary cap. Am I mistaken?

  100. lombardisshineinfoxborough says: May 18, 2012 5:12 PM

    I can see both sides of this. Welker’s got the numbers and just played out a contract that was way below market. The Pats are sticking to their formula and have assigned a value to Wes as an over 30 slot receiver that has benefited from playing with Brady…some how some way just hope they can find a way to compromise, it just doesn’t make sense to part ways.

  101. bozosforall says: May 18, 2012 5:16 PM

    lucky5934 says:
    May 18, 2012 4:54 PM
    I didn’t think coaching staff salaries are tied to the salary cap. Am I mistaken?

    __
    Hammerjacker knows this, lucky. He’s just trolling for someone who doesn’t. He misses the point of “leading by example” that the original poster was trying to make, regardless of the fact that the coaching salaries aren’t tied to the salary cap. A typical New England fan jerk move.

  102. pats4everyall says: May 18, 2012 5:41 PM

    Comon guy’s let’s give Bozo a break, after all he is a special needs kid who’s mama works all day and he has no supervision.

    Besides he’s one clown who is kinda funny!

  103. sschmiggles says: May 18, 2012 5:44 PM

    maddog111 says:
    May 18, 2012 11:31 AM
    Whoever they throw in there to replace Welker produces pretty much as much as he does when he’s out. When Mankins was out, the OL just got manhandled. That’s why he got paid. Welker is gone after this year.
    ________________________

    What a joke. Mankins held out for most of 2010 and the Pats posted a 14-2 record behind with one of the better offenses of the decade. Welker tore his ACL and the Pats lost to the Texans in the regular season, and then got destroyed by the Ravens in the playoffs.

    His production has never been replaced when he was missing, save for one game against the Jets when Edelman had a great day, and they lost anyway.

  104. bobhk says: May 18, 2012 5:56 PM

    flash1283 says:
    May 18, 2012 1:43 PM
    mullman7675 says: May 18, 2012 1:23 PM

    Matt Cassell proved that in NE, it’s the SYSTEM, not the player that matter. Plus, Belichick and Kraft have a history of “sticking it” to players who have been loyal and intricate to their success over the past 10+ seasons.
    It’s no matter, after of few hours of reviewing opponents practice tapes/ hand signals, the patriots can plug in Edelman or Woodhead and get similar production.

    ——–

    So by that same logic Steve Young proved that in SF its the System.
    ———–
    Quite possibly you have no clue. Young went to HOF because of his play. He *made* the system players what they were. He made that system.

    He defined the system as it was when he played. It was quite different than how it was under Montana (perhaps you can call him a system QB too).

  105. bobhk says: May 18, 2012 6:01 PM

    Time to put the stupid myth that Brady makes WRs better to rest right now.
    ——-

    Really

    David Patton best season -NE
    David Givens Best season -NE
    Deon Branch Best season -NE
    Randy Moss record breaking season -NE
    Wes Welker best season -NE
    Reche Caldwel best season NE
    ——–
    Brady is definitely the engine behind the Pats O.
    He made most of those guys what they were, except Moss, who was great to begin with (Brady just improved him).
    Great QBs do make the supporting cast better.

  106. knicksukcats says: May 18, 2012 6:24 PM

    Man the Pats better start changing there ways soon or they will continue to go down hill. Just think about it. They got rid of Seymour and Samuels, among others, and they have the worst defense in football now. They went from one of the best to one of the worst. They keep taking this hardline with players and no one will want to play for them either. I am all for being cheap but when you let players go because they disagree with you. Thats ridiculous!!!

  107. TheWizard says: May 18, 2012 6:25 PM

    Yeah they’ve done really well since they let seymor go

    Haven’t seen Seymour in the big game.

    Just sayin.

  108. downhillrider says: May 18, 2012 6:40 PM

    the “patriot way” of getting rid of productive guys because they want to get paid was ok when they were getting rings. its just not working anymore.

  109. bozosforall says: May 18, 2012 6:42 PM

    bobhk says:
    May 18, 2012 6:01 PM
    Time to put the stupid myth that Brady makes WRs better to rest right now.
    ——-

    Really

    David Patton best season -NE
    David Givens Best season -NE
    Deon Branch Best season -NE
    Randy Moss record breaking season -NE
    Wes Welker best season -NE
    Reche Caldwel best season NE
    ——–
    Brady is definitely the engine behind the Pats O.
    He made most of those guys what they were, except Moss, who was great to begin with (Brady just improved him).
    Great QBs do make the supporting cast better.

    __
    Brady hardly “improved” Moss. He has several years with more catches and higher yardage in MIN. Only his TD total was higher (mostly due to the fact that over half of those TDs were from 10 yards or less, while Brady chased the TD record that year).

    Several other receivers that played in NE had their career years elsewhere, further refuting the “Brady makes them better” myth.

  110. dynaco says: May 18, 2012 6:44 PM

    He’s been heard saying he wants to be with the Giants.

  111. bobhk says: May 18, 2012 7:10 PM

    bozosforall says:
    May 18, 2012 6:42 PM
    bobhk says:
    May 18, 2012 6:01 PM
    Time to put the stupid myth that Brady makes WRs better to rest right now.
    ——-

    Really

    David Patton best season -NE
    David Givens Best season -NE
    Deon Branch Best season -NE
    Randy Moss record breaking season -NE
    Wes Welker best season -NE
    Reche Caldwel best season NE
    ——–
    Brady is definitely the engine behind the Pats O.
    He made most of those guys what they were, except Moss, who was great to begin with (Brady just improved him).
    Great QBs do make the supporting cast better.

    __
    Brady hardly “improved” Moss. He has several years with more catches and higher yardage in MIN. Only his TD total was higher (mostly due to the fact that over half of those TDs were from 10 yards or less, while Brady chased the TD record that year).

    Several other receivers that played in NE had their career years elsewhere, further refuting the “Brady makes them better” myth.
    ——-
    I’d be the one of the last people defending Brady but some of these marginal players did play well with Brady.
    You may not like the Pats (I don’t) but c’mon, Brady is the reason why these guys have been winning the last 4 years or so. Without him, they would be a .5oo team (year with Cassel notwithstanding)

  112. lanman11 says: May 18, 2012 7:20 PM

    Does anyone know why Gaffney, Branch, and Stallworth have all returned to the team after seeking fame and fortune elsewhere? Or why Randy Moss also wanted to return if he could?

    I don’t know about the other receivers that have played there, but I bet more than a few would have liked to return as well.

    They will work it out…..

  113. bozosforall says: May 18, 2012 7:24 PM

    bobhk says:
    May 18, 2012 7:10 PM
    bozosforall says:
    May 18, 2012 6:42 PM
    bobhk says:
    May 18, 2012 6:01 PM
    Time to put the stupid myth that Brady makes WRs better to rest right now.
    ——-

    Really

    David Patton best season -NE
    David Givens Best season -NE
    Deon Branch Best season -NE
    Randy Moss record breaking season -NE
    Wes Welker best season -NE
    Reche Caldwel best season NE
    ——–
    Brady is definitely the engine behind the Pats O.
    He made most of those guys what they were, except Moss, who was great to begin with (Brady just improved him).
    Great QBs do make the supporting cast better.

    __
    Brady hardly “improved” Moss. He has several years with more catches and higher yardage in MIN. Only his TD total was higher (mostly due to the fact that over half of those TDs were from 10 yards or less, while Brady chased the TD record that year).

    Several other receivers that played in NE had their career years elsewhere, further refuting the “Brady makes them better” myth.
    ——-
    I’d be the one of the last people defending Brady but some of these marginal players did play well with Brady.
    You may not like the Pats (I don’t) but c’mon, Brady is the reason why these guys have been winning the last 4 years or so. Without him, they would be a .5oo team (year with Cassel notwithstanding)

    __|
    Never said that Brady wasn’t one of the reasons why they are winning games. What I said was that it is proven to be a myth that Brady makes EVERY receiver better (which has been falsely claimed here and elsewhere more times than anyone can count). Also, with the great defenses of the early 2000s, an inexperienced Brady won three rings…without those great defenses, a more prolific Brady lost his shot at two others. Therefore, I give the lion’s share of the credit for the three wins to the defenses, while the regular season records that were set in the later 2000s can be mostly accredited to Brady and the offense. The titles, which are the more important, belong to the defense. Brady was along for the ride, as shown by the fact that with out those defenses, he can’t win a title.

  114. j0esixpack says: May 18, 2012 7:30 PM

    bozosforall says:

    Ben Watson = career year the year AFTER he left the Patriots

    Jabar Gaffney = career year AFTER he left the Patriots.

    Just two examples that refute your lame analysis.
    ———————————————————–

    Wow – talk about proving how little you know about football.

    Watson left the Patriots where he had been an average TE at best (look at what quality TEs can do in NE) serving as the Patriots 5th best receiver.

    When the Patriots 5th best receiver goes to a team who’s best receiver was a friggen RUNNING BACK of course he’s going to be the #1 option of the QB and catch more passes.

    Since that season the Ben’s come back down to what he was with the Patriots – average.

    Then you compare Gaffney leaving the Patriots for Denver (though I wish he hadn’t) as NE’s 4th best WR and put him in a situation where the Broncos only had one other quality WR (who also happened to draw double teams consistently) and once again you’ve got a guy who increased his 38 catches into a whopping 54.

    So if you were out to prove that the Patriots let average players go – you’re correct. Denver didn’t keep Gaffney more than 2 years either.

    My guess is you actually know nothing about football whatsoever – as you’ve just proven.

    The point is, whenever there is a post about the Patriots you’ll make things up in order to engage in smack talk that apparently you think impresses people – yet the thumbs downs in every post you make suggest you should just GTFO of here.

  115. tigerlilac says: May 18, 2012 7:41 PM

    I supported the players in the lockout, love Welker as a player, but can’t understand why posters think he is being mistreated by the Patriots. The have a salary cap. They allocate value to players in a way that allows them to have a deep roster. They offered Welker, based on reports, two years at $16MM and also were willing to pay him $9.5MM guaranteed for one year. How is that mistreating him?

    As for wanting Welker to stop negotiating in public, any successful corporation would expect no less.

  116. backindasaddle says: May 18, 2012 7:56 PM

    Just a bunch of drama. The Pats have a value set for him. That’s how the Pats structure their player spending. If Welker refused to agree to a contract which meshes with the value the Pats have predetermined then he’ll play out his franchise tag and be gone. The Pats are nothing if not rigidly disciplined in their financial management. Remember, they always spend to the cap so they’re not being cheap. They just believe getting maximum value and building a team with depth. They have a fiscal philosophy of balance. They don’t believe in constructing a team with a hand full of hugely compensated players and the rest getting paid vastly less. This is part of the reason they traded down from the 1st round in all the previous drafts. They didn’t want some wet behind the ears rookie coming onto the team and making far more cabbage than nearly everybody else. Now with the rookie salary cap…. they traded UP twice in the 1st round. The Pats are all about very disciplined spending. Frankly, they do an awesome job of it and it’s plain to see they’re successful at it. Sometimes they get into a standoff with a star player (Deion Branch, Vince Wilfork, Logan Mankins) and guess what? They usually work out a deal or they let the guy walk. They don’t let players/agents dictate to them. I enjoy watching these smart people operate to produce sustainable, long term, success and I consider it high admirable.

  117. hulkhogansays says: May 18, 2012 8:38 PM

    Patriots fans say the darndest things brother. It’s going to be sweet to see them revert to the New Engla-whothehellcares that they were for a long time. Tom Bunchen will only decline from now until he retires brother.

  118. eleventyeight says: May 18, 2012 8:58 PM

    theashleyguy says: May 18, 2012 11:48 AM

    steelernationisthepinnacle..
    You don’t get it do you? This is why the entire country dislikes your team–you take a story about Wes Welker and the Patriots and try to make it about you. Sad…
    ———————————————————

    Anyone foolish enough to believe that this guy is a true Steelers fan deserves to be ridiculed; can’t you smell a troll when he’s right in front of you?

    Or do you just WANT to believe actual Steelers fans bother to say things like that?

    Why would we?

    The truth is what it is. Real Steelers fans don’t need to go on about it nonstop.

    This guy is a fraud, and you fall for it every time.

  119. backindasaddle says: May 18, 2012 10:42 PM

    hulkhogansays says:
    May 18, 2012 8:38 PM
    Patriots fans say the darndest things brother. It’s going to be sweet to see them revert to the New Engla-whothehellcares that they were for a long time. Tom Bunchen will only decline from now until he retires brother.
    ______________________________________________________
    The “NewEngla-whothehellcares” were the product of different ownerships which were replaced many years ago….. and then Robert Kraft bought the team. For you to try and pull the franchise back into the past so as to denigrate them now is… I think…. more an indictment of you and your transparent hatred than it is of anything else. Since Robert Kraft took ownership less than 20 years ago, the Patriots have surged to become a model franchise and Mr. Kraft has become universally respected as one of the best owners in all of professional sports. In the past 10 years the Patriots have gone to the Super Bowl 5 times and won it 3 times. Robert Kraft has transformed the Patriots franchise into a perpetual Super Bowl contender and has become an exemplary example of ownership at the highest level. His leadership and integrity was the catalyst which brought the new CBA to fruition. Your post is transparent and it seems very apparent that you’re one of those people that, instead of recognizing success and admiring it, chooses to try and diminish success and successful people because…. somehow???….. it makes you feel better. I guess I just don’t get that.

  120. hulkhogansays says: May 19, 2012 12:32 AM

    My response to that load of crap – *. Simple asterisk. You all cheated red handed and are therefore tainted as far as I’m concerned BROTHER!

  121. godcanfirealdavis says: May 19, 2012 8:28 AM

    Little over-rated p.o.s……

  122. fsf7 says: May 21, 2012 10:34 AM

    Steeley McBeam says:
    May 18, 2012 12:53 PM
    Ugh when will people learn that steelernationisthepinnacleofexistenceyouarenothing is not a Steelers fan hes just trying to give them a bad name. Reverse-trolling I guess?
    ______________________

    I just came to the same conclusion this morning.

    Whoever it is, it isn’t real. No one is possibly this stupid or obnoxious in real life.

  123. bozosforall says: May 21, 2012 10:52 AM

    kate773 says:
    May 18, 2012 2:09 PM
    flash1283 says:
    May 18, 2012 1:40 PM
    bozosforall says: May 18, 2012 1:09 PM

    This just confirms that fact that New Englanders are the biggest bunch of crybabies on the planet.–

    ————-

    And the 30 post per day on anything and everything Patriot related from Blowsforall confirms
    he is the biggest no life loser on the planet.

    Could anyone possibly have more time on there hands?

    _______________________________

    Bozo makes me sad for him. You have to be a special kind of pathetic to derive such joy from trying to annoy people.

    __
    In that case, there are TONS of “special kind of pathetic” people in New England, given all the years that those fans verbally attacked their rivals, particularly the New York Yankees. You might want to start your criticism within your own fan base before going after others, hippo kate.

  124. bozosforall says: May 21, 2012 10:54 AM

    backindasaddle says:
    May 18, 2012 10:42 PM
    hulkhogansays says:
    May 18, 2012 8:38 PM
    Patriots fans say the darndest things brother. It’s going to be sweet to see them revert to the New Engla-whothehellcares that they were for a long time. Tom Bunchen will only decline from now until he retires brother.
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    The “NewEngla-whothehellcares” were the product of different ownerships which were replaced many years ago….. and then Robert Kraft bought the team. For you to try and pull the franchise back into the past so as to denigrate them now is… I think…. more an indictment of you and your transparent hatred than it is of anything else. Since Robert Kraft took ownership less than 20 years ago, the Patriots have surged to become a model franchise and Mr. Kraft has become universally respected as one of the best owners in all of professional sports. In the past 10 years the Patriots have gone to the Super Bowl 5 times and won it 3 times. Robert Kraft has transformed the Patriots franchise into a perpetual Super Bowl contender and has become an exemplary example of ownership at the highest level. His leadership and integrity was the catalyst which brought the new CBA to fruition. Your post is transparent and it seems very apparent that you’re one of those people that, instead of recognizing success and admiring it, chooses to try and diminish success and successful people because…. somehow???….. it makes you feel better. I guess I just don’t get that.

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    You mean how the baseball fans in New England continually tried to diminish the success of the Yankees over most of the last century? I guess you don’t get it after all.

  125. infectorman says: May 24, 2012 7:12 PM

    MLB has no salary cap.

    How can you say ” the success of the Yankees over most of the last century “, when it’s been clear they outspent everyone over the last century.

    What so successful about having more money to spend because your team is located in the largest metropolitan area in the country? If they can afford all the mercenaries money can buy, then of course they’ll be successful Try selling your BS to a Pirates or Royals fan.
    I got news for you Tool-Shed, Boston ain’t the only city that despises the yankees, idiot. They’re neck in neck with the Cowboys and lakers as the most hated team in the country…save their own fan-base.
    Why should you care anyway? YOU’RE not a yankee fan. You’ve never ONCE said who you are a fan of!!
    All your false, transparent bravado and insults over the internet make you look the biggest fool of all, especially since you haven’t ever admitted to being a fan of any team.
    WEAK, internet tough guy. GFY!

  126. lizzzy321 says: May 25, 2012 10:38 AM

    I am not a long time football fan, nor am I an expert on the game, but I have lived in NE all my life and see the Patriots as ‘my’ team. I have casually been a fan over the years and remember a time when teams seemed to be a different animal than they are today. When fans developed fierce loyalty to players and would back them up when it seemed needed. I don’t see that happens much any more. Fans have adopted the football as a ‘business’ mentality and it is a sorry state of affairs. I definitely miss the old days. You could feel a connection to your team and to the players, that is entirely different then I see it today. Today it sounds like a lot of fans are only interested in their team ‘winning’. Of course, everyone wants to win, but most people are not so greedy that they don’t understand that you can’t win all the time. And they understand that if players are playing their best and have a bad day once in awhile, you support them. Today, players are seen as ‘objects’ to that end, winning. You win, they keep you, you stop delivering at peak capacity every second of your career and they drop you and plug in another player. Of course, fans and management don’t usually admit to that. They keep up this pretense they ‘care’ about the players, but, actions speak louder than words.

    As far as Welker goes, I have been watching every Pats game for the past 3 years at least, probably longer and have been impressed with his performance. He is a lot of fun to watch. He has a great work ethic. He keeps himself in great shape for his age. He had that injury and worked so hard to come back, that he was just as amazing after the injury. It would seem he was underpaid with the contract he had. I am really disappointed to see management treat him this way. I think they should have offered him a better contract well before it became a problem to be negotiated. At least a 3 year $8mil for $24mil would have been reasonable and in part would only be paying him retroactively as a reward for the time he was playing above expectations, under a contract that was not paying him enough.

    I almost hope that Welker would get a great contract for 3 years from another team and went and played against us and had an even better season. So…that tells me that what the management of the Patriots is doing, is wrong. It is divisive. It makes a fan choose management or player.

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