Brees, Saints playing franchise tender chicken

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As the Saints launch their Organized Team Activities without the man who organized the team’s lockout activities a year ago, league insiders and observers continue to scratch their heads regarding the failure of the Saints and quarterback Drew Brees to work out the details of a long-term deal.

As best we can tell, the current impasse arises from one fundamental disagreement:  the Saints believe that Brees eventually will sign the one-year, $16.371 million exclusive franchise tender, and Brees currently has no plan to do so.

For now, a source with knowledge of the situation tells PFT that the two sides are talking, but that they are making no real progress.

It could be that the Saints are underestimate Brees’ resolve.  It’s easy to assume that, once the July 16 deadline for signing franchise players to long-term deals comes and goes, Brees will take the money and report for camp.

Though Brees’ specific demands remain unclear, the break-even point for the Saints when it comes to simply using the franchise tag in 2012 ($16.371 million), 2013 ($19.645 million), and 2014 ($28.289 million) is a long-term deal with a three-year average of $21.435 million.

And if Brees wants more than guaranteed money than the combined franchise tenders for 2012 and 2013 (i.e., $36.016 million), it’s all the more reason for the team to take it year to year.

If, of course, Brees eventually will sign the one-year tender.  The Saints likely are banking on the fact that he will, at some point after July 16 and before Week One.  Brees currently doesn’t plan to do it.  But plans can change, especially when alternatives are limited.

56 responses to “Brees, Saints playing franchise tender chicken

  1. jagsfanugh says:
    May 22, 2012 2:14 PM
    Brees wants an explanation of this article.

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    The explanation joke it really tired. The NFL still hasn’t shown any evidence. The evidence that was leaked did not show what the NFL said it showed. Why don’t you want an explanation for that? You could also just be pissed that your team is terrible and is showing no signs of not being terrible for a long time, which is cool I guess.

  2. if a team will give up 2 first round picks for an unproven RG3, why wont anyone give up two first round picks for a proven commodity?

  3. When you are already rich, sitting out one year is not a terrible option. You can play QB for alot longer than other positions. Brees holds all the cards and the Saints need to pay him. Simple as that.

    btw – all the comments saying “brees needs and explanation” are super lame and un-original.

  4. Who Dat Nation is completely on Brees’s side. He deserves a franchise QB-range salary of $20+ million annually, and we understand him holding out until the Saunts give him a contract within that range.

  5. Mmmmm…chicken tenders.

    $21M buys a boatload of them…so does $16M. Nice problem to have.

  6. “Brees wants an explanation of this article.”
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    Dude, its getting old real fast!!

  7. I can’t believe the Saints are dicking him around. He’s your best player, made your team relevant for the first time ever and brought you a SUPER BOWL

    What a joke of an organization

  8. Dennis Allen used Brees as an example of a “Raider” in his presser, Palmer and a pick to N.O. for Brees. Heard it here first.

  9. Just pay the guy , he’s the best player on your football team !
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    And the best player in the NFL, period!!

  10. The Saints have everything to lose; as it applies to Brees. If Brees doesn’t sign then they go into the year with nothing at QB. Brees would have no shortage of teams wanting him, even if he sat out a year. Yes, the Saints could play hardball and say you don’t sign fine, we franchise you again next year. They could also demand too much in compensation for him to be traded. Ultimately though, the Saints only hurt themselves by not having Brees on the playing field for this year or even two years before they realize they are cutting their nose off to spite their face.

  11. Man, every day that goes by… every article that is written… I lose more and more respect for Brees. I used to like the dude, I really did. Not a Saints fan… but he seemed like he’d put others first, before himself.

    Then the season ends and he says he’ll take a lower amount to stay with the team and keep his teammates all together.

    I’m like, “Wow! Class act…”

    But then the real Drew comes out. Not only does he decline the $18-19M/yr contract… but he forces his team to use the franchise tag on him, eating up ALL of the space… so that by the time this is all said and done, the Saints lose some key players.

    …to top it all off…

    “What bounty?”

  12. Maybe the owner thinks his team has been knocked back into the stone age and needs to cut his losses and start over. Although I don’t know why he wouldn’t start by fireing the entire coaching staff and players involved first.

  13. Explain to me how Brees’s “alternatives are limited.”?

    Isn’t he a Free agent? Are there not teams that would take him? Have there been any offers made to him?

    Now that would be a story to report on. “Who has contacted Breese, Who have made Brees an offer and what is included in it?”

  14. Tikki is flabbergasted that people are still doing “Brees wants an explanation” jokes.

  15. staugslugga says:
    May 22, 2012 2:19 PM
    jagsfanugh says:
    May 22, 2012 2:14 PM
    Brees wants an explanation of this article.

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    The explanation joke it really tired. The NFL still hasn’t shown any evidence. The evidence that was leaked did not show what the NFL said it showed. Why don’t you want an explanation for that? You could also just be pissed that your team is terrible and is showing no signs of not being terrible for a long time, which is cool I guess.

    I want an explanation of your sense of humor
     

  16. Loomis is smart enough to know that having a pissed off Brees playing under the franchise tag is not best for the team, and that a happy Brees with a long term deal is what’s best.

  17. Unreal!!! The leader Brees has been a LEADER on and off the field for NO…nothing short of Amazing!!! QB’s like him come around once in a blue moon. I understand the tag game, but leaders of your team need to get their due….i.e. Fitzgerald getting 120 million from AZ.
    It pays off for the team in the long run. AZ tagged Campbell this year…at least we got him to a contract. Brees can still play strong for another 3-4 years.
    NO brass…ya’ll suck!

  18. Brees is a first class jerk but the guy can play football…..He deserves to be on a better team than that toilet of an organization known as the Saints.

    Leave it to the Saints to alienate the best player on the team….. Brees is the primary reason the Saints have had any credibility on the field so I’m sure you wanna go cheap on that guy. Brees should hold out and demand a trade – that’s what that classless organization deserves.

  19. DCBlueStar says:
    May 22, 2012 2:33 PM
    Man, every day that goes by… every article that is written… I lose more and more respect for Brees.
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    If I only had a dollar every time I heard this “I had a lot of respect” crap.
    Get real dude, you hate the Saints. You’re a cowboys fan. You don’t have to lie and say you liked him and now he’s worked hard to lose your respect. Even if that was the case, who cares about what you think? You’re a nobody!

  20. Brees is the cornerstone of the franchise. They can’t let him be on a 1 yr deal. He deserves Brady/Manning level money and will eventually get it if his play stays at the current level. Just imagine what he would get on the open market. The Saints should just pay the man and not have to worry about QB for 5 years.

  21. This is what happens with out-of-control professional sports salaries. One player–whether it be Brees or Kobe Bryant with the Lakers who’s due $27m next season–really straps a team. If they command 25% of the salary cap, what about the other 52 players in the NFL and 14 players on an NBA team? This one player can’t do it all alone. And don’t ask your supporting team members to come in for peanuts–unsalted at that!

    I hope the Saints and Brees come an agreement soon. Imagine when Cam Newton becomes a free agent. If he continues to progress at the rate of his rookie season, in his next contract he could ask for $40m per season. Okay. Then the other 52 players will scrap for the remaining $60m or so of the salary cap. The fans will pay the ultimate price.

    I have much respect for the Denver Nuggets of the NBA. They took my Lakers to the brink! And they have NO superstars or monster salaries; just a bunch of young, hungry guys. How refreshing!

  22. I have to agree with the Saints on this one. You have to take the emotion out and look at this from a dollars and sense perspective. The Saints have no reason to give him a long term deal. If Brees is able to play the next three years, then great! He will make as much or even MORE with the franchise tag than he would get if he signed a long term deal. And if he has a major drop in performance or gets a major injury, they (the Saints) won’t be on the hook for anything. And 3 years from now-it’s likely that the Saints will have even more leverage to offer him “market value” for older QBs, as he will be at an age where most QB’s are passed their prime. Yes, he’s the face of the franchise. But that’s no reason to let him put the team over the barrel.

  23. Mikea311,

    The skins gave up 3 first rounders (next two years and the one they picked him with) and a 2nd rounder for unproven RG3.

  24. As if the Bountygate penalties weren’t enough, Brees is trying to hurt the Saints’ ability to sign players in the future……

  25. mikea311 says:
    May 22, 2012 2:20 PM
    if a team will give up 2 first round picks for an unproven RG3, why wont anyone give up two first round picks for a proven commodity?
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    Drew Brees for the exclusive franchise tag. Exclusive franchise players cannot negotiate with other teams. The player’s team has all the negotiating rights to the exclusive player.

    So basically, no one else can sign him even if they wanted to.

  26. To all Saints fans tired of the “Drew Brees explanation joke”:

    If you stop with the “Dream-Team-Tiki-is-flabberghasted-Cincinatti-criminal-Patriots-Spygate-Mike-Vick-Dog-Killer” maybe you will hear the end of the Drew Brees joke.

    Probably not though.

  27. As a Panther fan, I hope this drags on through September – especially week 2: Saints crawl into Charlotte with their best O-lineman in Tampa, Ralph the Equipment Guy as coach, Chase Daniel at QB and Jon Beason and Luke Kuechly bearing down on him. Oh, yeah, Cam Newton and the 40-point-per-game offense as well.

    Geaux Saints. And take the Hornets with you.

    PANTHERS 2012 NFC SOUTH CHAMPS

  28. Check for grammar before you post something for the world. Wow! That was a horrendously written article… I couldn’t even keep reading at times because I stumbling over the incorrect use of words and grammatical errors… Wow!

  29. I can’t help but chuckle at the ego of people who say, “I would do X for millions of dollars” as if they are comparably elite, world-class talented as professional athletes.

  30. Mikea311 & Stiller43:

    Brees was designated with the exclusive franchise tender, which not only guarantees more money than the regular franchise tender but also prevents the player from negotiating with other teams.

    Thus, the comparison to what WAS gave up for RG3 is irrelevant.

  31. I don’t agree the Saints can just keep franchising Brees for the simple reason that the salary is a hard number against the cap, while a signing bonus is prorated over the term of the contract saving the team valuable cap space. Sign him Loomis.

  32. The “Brees wants an explanation” line has to be used over and over because it his decision to talk about the bounty situation and defend it was insanity. The coach admitted it you homers.

    Jesus Saints fans, Brees could kill your family and you’d find a way to defend it.

  33. Something to keep in mind is that the last time Brees played under a 1-year franchise tag, he was severely injured in the last game of the season and he lost all negotiating leverage as a free agent. Even the Dolphins, desperate for a QB, didn’t want him. Only one team would give him a chance, so he had to take the deal that was put on the table.

    He doesn’t want that to happen again. He wants a long term deal and may never sign the franchise offer.

  34. Clarification. The Dolphins wanted him, but gave him a low ball offer. as did the Chargers.

  35. craigkleinpeter says:
    May 22, 2012 2:21 PM
    Who Dat Nation is completely on Brees’s side. He deserves a franchise QB-range salary of $20+ million annually, and we understand him holding out until the Saunts give him a contract within that range.

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    Uh no Who Dat Nation is not completely on his side. Drew should get paid tops in the game. By all accounts that was offered already and he turned it down. For all Who Dats and others who have such an opinion 1 question… To pay him the 23+ that he wants (currently 16 against the cap), which 2-3 starters are you ready to cut? Yes I know that signing bonuses are prorated but you still have to pay the piper and in this case in the next 3 years or so.

    Also, no Drew doesn’t “hold the cards.” kathleenturnersoverdrive, pretty sure that he has to report sometime before week 10 or so to get an accrued season which means if he sits out – year 1 of the tag all over again next year. Let’s assume you are accurate though – if he does sit out and the Saints can tag him for 3 years. A 36 year old QB who hasn’t played in 3 years doesn’t have the same value.

    In any event it’ll get done in the $21 mil per year range and everyone will hug and say that it was always going to get done. Remember a couple of days ago, the Saints aren’t returning his calls now there are talks but little progress… ever changing story.

  36. If this is franchise tender chicken ( mmmm, chicken ), then Brees is driving a 18-wheel tractor trailer, and Loomis is riding a 10-speed.

  37. How does RGIII get dragged into a conversation about a contract dispute between the Saints and Drew Brees?!

    You crying-@ZZ haters are puting in overtime.

    HTTR!!!

    * BTW, the Saints organization is a joke for not already having backed up a Brinks truck into Brees’s front yard. Take it from a Skins fan, he’s the best player at the most important position in football…pay the man!

  38. biggiesmallsthecondomfilla says:
    May 22, 2012 2:30 PM
    I need brees to come out with the number he wants. Stop the chicken bs. My guess he wants 25/yr, and the saints are telling him to pound sand.

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    The reports are he wants $23 mill. At that number, the Saints Should tell him to pound sand. Theyshould offer him $1/year more than Manning gets and be done with it.

  39. Don’t expect Brees to sign the Franchise (Chicken) tender. He did that when he was with San Diego and in the last game of the season he blew his shoulder out and was given a 25% chance of playing again. He wants to be protected for more then one year. The Saints are making a mistake if they think he will sign anything other then a multi-year contract. Maybe we will get to see how good Chase Daniel is.

  40. Give the guy his money, he has certainly earned it. Holding out wont solve anything.If you think Chase is the answer think again.

  41. jgedgar70 says:
    May 22, 2012 3:16 PM

    As a Panther fan, I hope this drags on through September – especially week 2: Saints crawl into Charlotte with their best O-lineman in Tampa, Ralph the Equipment Guy as coach, Chase Daniel at QB and Jon Beason and Luke Kuechly bearing down on him. Oh, yeah, Cam Newton and the 40-point-per-game offense as well.

    Geaux Saints. And take the Hornets with you.

    PANTHERS 2012 NFC SOUTH CHAMPS
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    after you puff and toke… pass it along cause that is some strong sh#t you smoking dude

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