bigjdve says: May 22, 2012 12:19 PM

eaglebobby: the teams didn’t get any letters, the league has admitted that there isn’t a written confirmation of any of this, that it is a spoken gentlemen’s agreement. That agreement was to circumvent a poison pill put in the CBA by the players to penalize the owners not getting a new CBA in place.

The Shoeman: to make your analogy more correct. There is a 15mph speed limit for a long time. Then it is known that there is NO speed limit for a year, then it will be back to 15mph the following year but there is NO speed limit for a year. The drivers say well we will all stay at 15 anyway. Then Snyder and Jones decide to drive through at 100mph, then goodell decides to give them a ticket. There wasn’t a speed limit, however they got a ticket for speeding.

That is how it was. The cap was out for a year, period. They decided to use that to their advantage. They are being penalized because they decided to use the non-capped year to their advantage, then got flagged for violating the cap.

How can you violate a cap, when there is no cap?
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Your counter analogy actually works against you. Technically speaking, you can be ticketed even if you’re not exceeding the posted speed limit. How’s that? The posted speed limit is based on average road condition. If the road condition is poor due to snow/ice or a large amount of rain, you can still be ticketed for reckless driving despite the fact that there’s no official posting of what your speed should be under bad conditions. The law considers it an accepted understanding that you shouldn’t be driving any faster than is safe under the current road conditions, even if the posted speed limit doesn’t take them into account.
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Aha! Your counter-counter analogy is flawed. Because it doesn’t factor in the fact that you can only be ticketed for reckless driving if it results in accidental death, bodily injury, or property damage. Otherwise, you can drive in those conditions relative to the posted speed limit(s).

Cowpokers/Dreadskins alleviated themselves of legitimate cap responsibilities by “dumping” those legitmate cap charges into the uncapped year (which is the “spirit of rule”), therefore this action of the Commissioner merely restores those legitimately acquired charges back onto the books & maintains the status quo competitive balance going forward. Both teams end up having legitimate cap charges reinstated which they sought to unburden themselves of through illegitimate means during the uncapped period.

Due to their status of having more revenue than most other teams they had money to burn in this way … they already spent it in this way, so they’re not “losing” that amount, they ALREADY spent it to bail them out for having overspent their way into cap constraints before the uncapped year… just in a way that they thought would allow them to reset with a clean(er) slate to be able to spend the same as everybody else in the capped league when they returned to a capped year.

They sought to clean up their excesses from outside the uncapped year by taking unfair advantage during that uncapped year. This restores that level of excess back on them going forward. They were warned not to do this but they did it anyway.

Technically, it didn’t violate the rules of the uncapped year but it violates the cap balance from previously & which was restored.

And god knows we don’t want to violate spirits!

This reaks of jealousy. Amazing how the Top 2 owners that make the most revenue yearly for a decade manage to get screwed out of 46 million when they do the most revenue sharing every year for the past 10 years. You have 2 owners that had their own team’s stadiums built, they are the biggest in the NFL, you have Mara the greedy, jealous owner sharing revenue with the Jets in a brand new stadium coming off 2 SB’s in the last 4 years. Don’t you find it interesting he promised Osi his money & never paid him? Not only that, the other owner in the NFC EAST in an uncapped year assembled a DREAM TEAM. Did Mara hate on Lurie? Nope. How are the Eagles to this day still like 16 million UNDER the cap? You mean to tell me people are mad at my Redskins for getting rid of McNabb who is washed up, and for Haynesworth who was later cut by 2 teams? Seriously? The NFL approved the guaranteed money 2 both players and now it was wrong? And exactly how did Chicago pay Peppers over 30 million guaranteed in an uncapped year? Interesting alliances.
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1. The Cowboys and Redskins aren’t getting screwed out of $46 million. They’re being deprived of the opportunity to spend $46 million.

2. Mara isn’t jealous because the Giants are hurting for money. The Giants are a rather valuable franchise in their own right. Oh, and they’re not really sharing much stadium revenue with the Jets. It’s mostly costs they’re sharing. Each team has the same number of home games, and each team keeps what they make during those games. Naming rights and such are shared though.

3. You really messed up when talking about the Eagles. The Eagles spent all that money on FAs the season the cap was reinstated, not in the uncapped year. They were able to do so because of years of careful cap management, and because they chose not to keep any of their own FAs that year. So, between those two factors, the Eagles had a lot of cap room to work with, and seeing the unusually high number of quality players in FA that offseason they pounced. Oh, and it wasn’t as costly as it seems. Other than Nnamdi, they got fairly favorable deals with most of the players they picked up, and DRC was still on his rookie contract. As for why they have the available cap space they do now, they traded Asante away to make sure they did. There’s no conspiracy there. Eagles front office has been great at cap management for quite a while. That’s why the Colts chose one of them for their new GM. The Colts have a lot of work to do rebuilding their roster and getting their cap money spent in the right way.

4. McNabb has nothing to do with the Redskins cap penalty. The penalty represents the amount of money the Redskins dumped into the uncapped year when they reworked the contracts of Albert Haynesworth and DeAngelo Hall. In fact, in both cases, teams were penalized not for new contracts (such as FAs), but for reworking the contracts of players already on the roster (Miles Austin for the Cowboys). That’s the only reason I can think of that the Peppers signing wasn’t included. He represented a new contract rather than a reworked contract for a player already on the team.

If there is… no Law[ rule]… there can be no spirit, or letter of that law…period. You either have a rule in place or you do not.There was no cap space rule in place at the time these two clubs acted and said actions were okay-ed by the League. Even my teenage daughter can figure this out ! What Law School did Mr. Burbank attend ?
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I have nothing against the cowboys or the skins but seriously these fans need to quit playing armchair lawyer and take their medicine. The boss (NFL) told you not to do it. In any situation in the real world you would be fired, fined, reprimanded, or whatever for disobeying your boss, supervisor, or director. You guys can say there was no hard and fast rule all you want but in the end they knew what they did would have repercussions. Shut up and take your medicine. It is not as though the exorbitant spending had been helping you guys lately anyway.

For those saying Jones and Snyder should sue the league, you seem to forget that these two (and the teams they own, of course) are a part of the league. Anything that hurts the league as a whole hurts them. Going to court invites the risk of having whatever Judge hears the case put him/herself in a position to oversee various aspects of the league’s inner workings. How? Because the judge would have to find that the league was acting in a way that violated the rights of the owners/teams involved. That’s the exact way that Judge Doty managed to put himself in a position to rule on all future disputes between the owners and the players. The league finally rid itself of Doty with this new CBA. How soon do you think the owners want to risk having a new judge interfere with their business, especially when this one would be in a position to have an impact on pretty much every part of the league’s operations?

As for Goodell, if you want to hate him for how he came down on the Saints, have at it. This isn’t his doing, however. This issue was pushed by the other owners, and Goodell is just carrying out their orders. Goodell won’t be fired or reprimanded in any way for doing what at least 29 of the owners wanted him to do. Ownership loves Goodell, so you might as well get used to him being the commissioner. He’s not going anywhere anytime soon.

The Redskins and Cowboys are not being punished for spending too much money, nor for signing free agents. They’re being punished for reworking the contracts of players already on their rosters in such a way that it dropped a huge amount of their money in the uncapped year. That’s a competitive advantage designed not for the uncapped year, but for when the salary cap is reinstated. If you want to debate something, debate whether or not THAT violates anything, not whether or not these teams spent too much money.

As for collusion, the league operates on collusion. That’s why they need a CBA, so they keep their anti-trust exemption. Oh, and for those saying the Redskins and Cowboys are being punished for not colluding, we’re not talking about innocents here. Jones and Snyder have been a part of numerous collusive activities. In this case, they were part of an agreement that they backed out of as soon as the other owners and the league no longer had the power to enforce it. Furthermore, neither Jones nor Snyder can file a suit claiming collusion. They’re ownership, and only labor can claim collusion…and even they can only do so if there’s no CBA. Besides, even if they could, I’d simply refer you to the reasons why going to court and complaining about how the league is run could blow up in their faces.

a more accurate version would be, ‘take it easy while we remove the sign to determine the new speed.’

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It’s like driving through a school zone,that you have done for years, with a posted 15 M.P.H. speed limit.
Then the police decide to put up a new sign, and tell you 6 times, when we take the sign down, to change it for a new 15 M.P.H. sign, the limit is and always will be 15 M.P.H.

then when Dan and Jerry fly through at 100 m.p.h., and get a ticket .. they argue : there wasn’t a sign .

then when Dan and Jerry fly through at 100 m.p.h., and get a ticket .. they argue : there wasn’t a sign .

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Terrible analogy. There was no “speed limit” idiot. It’s more like the speed limit WAS 55, then they removed the speed limit completely. Then send out a message recommending that you don’t go too fast or too slow. The Cowboys and Redskins received tickets for violating a recommendation not to go too fast. The teams that went too slow didn’t get a ticket for violating this same recommendation. Oh, and a recommendation is not a rule, or law. You could fight that ticket in court and not pay a dime.

This just in, Goodell will from now on decide draft order according to “competitive balance”
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Hey brainiac, the draft is already ordered with an eye on competitive balance. That’s why the team with the worst record gets the first pick and the SB champs get the last pick. Oh, and like most major decisions, it was made by the owners.

Because they are arrogant S.o.B. s ,
who think they own the NFL.

It’s like driving through a school zone,that you have done for years, with a posted 15 M.P.H. speed limit.
Then the police decide to put up a new sign, and tell you 6 times, when we take the sign down, to change it for a new 15 M.P.H. sign, the limit is and always will be 15 M.P.H.

then when Dan and Jerry fly through at 100 m.p.h., and get a ticket .. they argue : there wasn’t a sign .
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Here I’ll help you out in this analogy to make it more accurate:

There was a 15mph speed limit. All of the city officials, law enforcement officers and drivers agreed that if they couldn’t agree on a new speed limit there would be NO SPEED LIMIT for a year.

The Skins, Cowboys, and SEVEN MORE TEAMS requested clearance from the NFL to go through that area at various speeds ranging from 18 to 29 mph (NO ONE went 100 mph). And since there wasn’t any speed limit the police approved their request to exceed the old, now non-existent speed limit.

Several other teams in fact decided to “grandma” it through at 10 mph which would have been illegal under the old speed limit too.

The only two teams that got speeding tickets were in the division of the Mayor of Competition Committee City! (THAT stinks to high heaven!!!)

John Mara and Roger GoDaHell wouldn’t have been able to pull this off without NFPA buy in. And how did they get that… through extortion or bribery, whatever you want to call it!!! They would have kept the cap floor lower than what it was had the NFLPA not agreed to this illegal act of extortion, Grand Larceny, and competitive collusion.

goddell got away with it again. the unions better man up on this guy before he gets completely out of control.

best chance for the skins and boys is to go to court and go after the nfl big time.

eaglebobby: the teams didn’t get any letters, the league has admitted that there isn’t a written confirmation of any of this, that it is a spoken gentlemen’s agreement. That agreement was to circumvent a poison pill put in the CBA by the players to penalize the owners not getting a new CBA in place.

The Shoeman: to make your analogy more correct. There is a 15mph speed limit for a long time. Then it is known that there is NO speed limit for a year, then it will be back to 15mph the following year but there is NO speed limit for a year. The drivers say well we will all stay at 15 anyway. Then Snyder and Jones decide to drive through at 100mph, then goodell decides to give them a ticket. There wasn’t a speed limit, however they got a ticket for speeding.

That is how it was. The cap was out for a year, period. They decided to use that to their advantage. They are being penalized because they decided to use the non-capped year to their advantage, then got flagged for violating the cap.

How can you violate a cap, when there is no cap?
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Your counter analogy actually works against you. Technically speaking, you can be ticketed even if you’re not exceeding the posted speed limit. How’s that? The posted speed limit is based on average road condition. If the road condition is poor due to snow/ice or a large amount of rain, you can still be ticketed for reckless driving despite the fact that there’s no official posting of what your speed should be under bad conditions. The law considers it an accepted understanding that you shouldn’t be driving any faster than is safe under the current road conditions, even if the posted speed limit doesn’t take them into account.

“OH OH New Rule! New Rule!”