Eagles QB coach says Michael Vick tries to do too much

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Michael Vick has the talent to make plays like few other quarterbacks in NFL history, but Eagles quarterbacks coach Doug Pederson sees a down side in that.

Pederson says that one of the things he’s going to emphasize with Vick as organized team activities begin today is that Vick needs to cut down on the mistakes he makes when he tries to make a play that isn’t there.

He gets caught sometimes doing too much, trying to do too much, and that’s where he gets in trouble,” Pederson told the Philadelphia Inquirer. “We eliminate those and keep him within our system, and positive things are going to happen.”

Vick had 10 fumbles and a career-high 14 interceptions last season, and those are the plays Pederson and Vick are reviewing.

“I’ve had a chance to sit down with Mike, one-on-one, in the room, by ourselves, watch the good, watch the bad, and for me not only to teach off of that but just to watch his expression, see how he reacts to the negative,” Pederson said. “He’s learned from that. I think it makes him a better quarterback going forward, obviously. If we cut those two areas down, be more efficient in the red zone, don’t turn the ball over as much . . . your chances of success obviously go up.”

Pederson said Vick is hard on himself when watching those plays, asking, “What was I thinking?” and “Why did I do that?” A lot of the time the answer is he’s thinking that he can rely on his natural athleticism to make plays when things break down. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn’t.

“Bottom line is he’s faster than everybody else, pretty much, except the secondary,” Pederson said. “It’s tough because you want him to stay there, but yet again he gets so many positive yards for us that we’re not going to take that away from him.”

Pederson’s job is to help Vick cut down on the mistakes, without taking away from the big plays he makes when he improvises.

42 responses to “Eagles QB coach says Michael Vick tries to do too much

  1. He’s always been a turnover machine, between his fumbles and picks.

    I can’t see him changing now that he’s in his 30’s.

  2. Pederson said Vick is hard on himself when watching those plays, asking, “What was I thinking?” and “Why did I do that?” A lot of the time the answer is he’s thinking that he can rely on his natural athleticism to make plays when things break down. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn’t.
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    Relying on his natural athleticism is what made him the 1st overall pick. Relying on his natural athleticism is what got him his last bloated contract.

    If he has to rely on his brain he’s not a starting QB. He still can’t read defenses very well and relies on his feet to buy him time to recognize the defenses and create big plays. His feet get him out of some very bad decisions.

    His feet also lead to his injuries. You can’t have it both ways. His running is his main strength at QB if you take that away you may have him for 16 games but he’s not going to make the ESPN play or you can have him for 10-12 games and see him on the ESPN highlights.

  3. If putting a moron with speed under center was the prototype in the NFL, every team would do it.

    IT DOESN’T WORK in December / January.

  4. hahahahahah. That’s one way of putting it. The more telling way of saying it was, ““He gets caught sometimes doing too much, trying to do too much, and that’s where he gets in trouble,” Pederson told the Philadelphia Inquirer. “We eliminate those and keep him within our system, and positive things are going to happen.”

    Seriously?? That’s not trying to do to much, that’s doing things wrong. They should just say, he doesn’t do what he’s supposed to do and instead turns the ball over. It’s called being a bad QB.

  5. I see the self righteous hypocrites have found their way on the forum. Those casting verbal stones should perhaps look at themselves in the mirror. In the interest of full disclosure, maybe those who are quick to condemn others should list their moral transgressions…..then maybe one could have at least a modicum of respect for your opinions.

  6. It’s crazy how Vick’s narrative went from being one of a feel good comeback player to a player in a make or break situation in just a year, but that’s how it is in the NFLtoday. With the rumors about the Eagles trying to trade up for RG3 and Virginia Tech’s current QB Logan Thomas drawing comparisons to a young Donavan McNabb, Vick’s either going to flourish or flop on this year’s “Redeem Team”.

  7. He’s nothing more than another over rated black QB that likes to run more than stay in the pocket and make a good pass. He’s no better than any other black QB and will never win anything. Vince young anybody and I’m not sold on that RGIII kid who thinks he’s the best thing since sliced bread when luck would eat him for lunch

  8. drmonkeyarmy says:May 22, 2012 9:01 AM

    I see the self righteous hypocrites have found their way on the forum. Those casting verbal stones should perhaps look at themselves in the mirror. In the interest of full disclosure, maybe those who are quick to condemn others should list their moral transgressions…..then maybe one could have at least a modicum of respect for your opinions.

    Well, lets see…. I have tried illegal drugs, I cheated on a girlfriend when I was in high school, I watched porn numerous times.. I am NOT a convicted felon, I DON’t have an STD, and I don’t have an alias name like Ron Mexico. How’s that?

  9. imforbigblue:

    You’re nothing but a mental nebbish and a foolish troglodyte.

    You were probably the same rocket scientist that thought Cam Newton was going to fail because of his “fake smile.”

  10. drmonkeyarmy says:
    May 22, 2012 9:01 AM
    I see the self righteous hypocrites have found their way on the forum. Those casting verbal stones should perhaps look at themselves in the mirror. In the interest of full disclosure, maybe those who are quick to condemn others should list their moral transgressions…..then maybe one could have at least a modicum of respect for your opinions.

     ——-

    I don’t think the time I asked for a water cup and really got diet coke compares to Vicks “moral transgressions”.

  11. Hi, imforbigblue. Is there any particular significance to the fact that not only do you think that Vick is “over rated” (overrated) but also that he’s black? The rest of the folks here were just talking about our opinions of his playing skills. And what, other than the fact that he’s also black, does RG3 have to do with any part of this discussion? Just another nice opportunity to interject race into a discussion that had nothing to do with it? Vick is also left-handed in case you want to go on a verbal tirade about “over rated” left-handed quarterbacks too.

  12. Note to Eagle coaches: The reason why you have Michael Vick is his ability to make plays when they break down. That’s what makes him so difficult to defend. You gotta take the good with the bad. If you want a pocket passer, you should have kept Kevin Kolb.

  13. Michael Vick’s 3 biggest weaknesses

    1. Tries too hard
    2. Too athletically gifted
    3. Does too much

    Sounds like an interview answer from a narcissist

  14. The Eagles are wasting valuable years on this highlight-reel artificial quarterback.

  15. I think if you look closely at the plays where Vick turns the ball over, you’ll find that on most of those he was not scrambling, but still in the pocket. Also, a lot of his interceptions were on tipped balls by his own receivers, where they just had the misfortune of the ball tipped right into the hands of the defender. Of course, there were also several drops by defenders that should have been clean interceptions, so that kind of evens it out.

  16. I don’t know what some of you folks are watching, but I’ve seen Mike Vick become a very different QB over the past several years. I HATED him in Atlanta and thought that while he was exciting, he also sucked. But he’s been much different in Philly, both on an off the the field.

    I agree 100% with Pederson…if Vick can know that his limits are real and need to be followed, he can be an excellent QB. His arm and accuracy have improved greatly. All that said, I’m worried that the Eagles may go to far with Vick. It’s always been my thought that they tried to make McNabb into the pocket passer…something he wasn’t. I hope the same doesn’t happen with Vick.

  17. I’m a long suffering Eagles fan. I’m sick of Mike Vick though. Its great that he’s constantly trying to make plays, etc….but all this extra effort just leads to TURNOVERS and INJURIES.

    Vick can be an excellent QB if he learns to SLIDE and stay HEALTHY for a full season.

  18. Re: Doug Pederson Being the QB coach…

    He has been with Reid and his system since he was with Green Bay (almost 20years), and he has played quarterback in the NFL. Got a better resume?

  19. “Eagles QB coach says Michael Vick tries to do too much”

    Thank you, Captain Obvious.

  20. I don’t think it’s a matter of Vick progressing into a better QB, as it is Andy Reid’s offense being a QB friendly system. I think Vick appears like a better QB because he is better, but he also is in a much easier place to throw the ball. They label it as a west coast offense but its not. It’s a 4 wr, vertical offense that has a 20 TD running back in the backfield. To be honest, Vick should be better than he was last year. His ability to extend plays is actually beginning to hurt him more than help because he doesn’t slide, and he doesn’t throw the ball away. You’ll never win much if your QB turns the ball over and sustains injuries for 4+ games per season because he wants to make plays.

  21. Vick is injury prone and hasn’t played a full season healthy his entire career…now, he’s in his 30’s…don’t expect this to change cause he will get hurt at some point this season with his style of quarterback play, scrambling and running loose holding the football like a loaf of bread with one hand..a bad habit he hasn’t changed=turnover machine

  22. Vick’s biggest issues are that his running style and his size leads to him getting injured alot and backups have to play at least in 2 games. if he stays healthy for a full year, then he should be a fine QB.

  23. What an opening THAT line provides!

    Example: He tries to do too much, like when he kept throwing a dog on the ground for a half hour after he was already dead.

  24. Vick is an average NFL QB at best. He will give you the Sportscenter highlight every week but when it comes down to making plays QBs need to make to win games he is average at best.

    Just look at his career stats. He is just barely over 50% completion percentage. QB rating is not very good. TD to INTs is almost identical. He has two playoff wins since entering the league. Since coming back from suspension if you take away the game against Washington on Monday night in which he accounted for 6 TDs his numbers are terrible.

    Only two QBs in the modern NFL that could run and move in the pocket have won Super Bowls. Elway and Young but they could also read a defense and make plays at the snap. Vick still can’t do that as a 10 year vet.

    One of the most exciting players but I would prefer my QB to be boring like Brady, the Mannings, Breese and Rodgers. Guys that can get it done in the pocket and not have to run around until receivers get open.

  25. n0hopeleft says:
    May 22, 2012 8:40 AM
    If putting a moron with speed under center was the prototype in the NFL, every team would do it.

    IT DOESN’T WORK in December / January

    nohopeleft…….., allowing an idiot such as yourself to post doesn’t bode very well the other 10 months either…..just saying.

  26. Vick’s biggest problem is he still doesn’t climb the pocket. When he faces pressure he always tries to break the pocket to the outside and it often leads to sacks. He needs to learn to step up and slide in the pocket instead of trying to outrun everything to the perimeter.

    If he doesn’t have a good year he’s gone when the season’s over.

  27. To Eaglenose…..I guess Pederson will teach him to be as good a QB as he was? Reid’s stubborn opinions are what’s hurting. Example his opinion of the starting (on to the Super Bowl) LB’s Honest question: How many games did that combinationm cost us? Nothing against doug but, I have absolutely zero confidence in his teaching Vic. He was a horrible QB

  28. How many excuses are we going to have to listen to about why Vick has never been better than average (or below maybe) in the passing game? He had one fluke year a couple years ago. Other than that all I ever see is excuses. How about we just tell it like it is. Vick just isnt that good. Why not just say “We have to put in a system that Vick can handle. We need to hand the ball off 65% of the time and just hope Vick isnt required to carry the team, or we’ll lose”. That is the gist of it from how I see it.

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