Comments on: Goal of Winslow trade may have been helping Freeman

By: rajbais

rajbais — Wed, 23 May 2012 12:51:16 +0000

All these commentators and QB sycophants are the reason why football being a team sport is the biggest lie in sports today!!!!!

Even teams like the Falcons can’t wait to much about their quarterback instead of the rest of the team!!!! The defense was not scary, they never had a coach or quarterback with the kind of success that one needs before going to the Super Bowl, and they gave up way too much for Julio Jones (without hindsight)!!!

By: bucforever

bucforever — Wed, 23 May 2012 12:45:11 +0000

Looks like Coach Sciano thought Winslow was just not a “Buccaneer Man” . So look out for Talib to be next out the door.

By: steeelfann

steeelfann — Wed, 23 May 2012 12:20:05 +0000

Little surprised Terrell Owens name was not brought up in this article. He was a classic at this.

By: rajbais

rajbais — Wed, 23 May 2012 12:14:39 +0000

That’s a load of crap because Mike Williams had more targeted balls than Winslow!!!

Plus, Freeman is responsible for his own play; not KII!!!

By: 1historian

1historian — Wed, 23 May 2012 11:59:05 +0000

‘Messing up a young QB’ implies that a young QB can be ‘messed up’. That is NOT the kind of QB you want.

Read about Unitas, Montana, Manning, Brady – any of the great QBs. They all shared one trait – in the huddle they RULED, and you did NOT challenge their authority.

By: jkaflagg

jkaflagg — Wed, 23 May 2012 08:23:58 +0000

All sounds a little too contrived for me…..If Winslow was really a problem, Freeman should have enough leadership ability to handle it himself….And by the way, ALL receivers want the ball all the time; you really wouldn’t want a guy that does not….

That said, if Clark works out there will be no ill effects…..assuming he doesn’t demand the ball !

By: raqaiw

raqaiw — Wed, 23 May 2012 07:10:18 +0000

I really hate the offseason. This could be said about any team getting rid of a player,as in: “Goal of cutting Jacoby Jones may have been helping Schaub”, or: “Goal of cutting Evans may have been helping Flacco”.

By: tbtrojan

tbtrojan — Wed, 23 May 2012 06:09:22 +0000

You have to also remember who the Bucs new OC is, where he came from and the roles he had there.
He would know first hand how Shockey effected Mannings play.

By: dino2997

dino2997 — Wed, 23 May 2012 04:59:32 +0000

swankel says:
May 22, 2012 10:20 PM
And this is why Brandon Marshall is in Chicago. Dolphins did not want the “me first” personality messing up the young QB.

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Having a bunch of no name receivers to throw to instead as a young QB makes more sense right?

The T.B situation is not the same as the Miami situation. T.B now has Vincent Jackson.

By: usedtool

usedtool — Wed, 23 May 2012 04:32:21 +0000

Never been a Bucs fan. But have followed the black and blue (where they started) my whole life and am a displaced KCKS resident. As such I’m all for what helps Josh Freeman become the Army guy (all he can be). As for Winslow, he came in the league spouting off about being better than everyone. Screw him. A wasted talent.

By: thespeaker08

thespeaker08 — Wed, 23 May 2012 04:31:03 +0000

Makes sense. Especially since Winslow was also on the Bucs when Freeman had a decent year two years ago….

Not.

By: usedtool

usedtool — Wed, 23 May 2012 04:26:45 +0000

gotampabay52:

Is English a second language to you? Save that twitter crap for those that enjoy the deciphering. On here, just (try to) be normal.

By: tacoslinger619

tacoslinger619 — Wed, 23 May 2012 04:24:14 +0000

Winslow is a terd wrapped in tattoo’s……

By: cover2blitz0

cover2blitz0 — Wed, 23 May 2012 03:37:33 +0000

its all about 5

By: the1truebuc

the1truebuc — Wed, 23 May 2012 03:20:23 +0000

K2 is a solid player, he just got into Freeman’s head and had the Shockey effect. was a good move, will force 5 to open up and read the feild not just force feed K2

By: audient

audient — Wed, 23 May 2012 03:15:02 +0000

Clowns writing comments yet again about K2 being a “soldier” are why comments ought to be banned from decent publications.

That all said, I think PFT offered a reasonable explanation as to why the Bucs would move on from K2 despite his production.

I thought the Browns made a mistake in getting rid of him, but that was Mangini cleaning house of anyone who posed a threat to his authority.

Good luck, K2, hope things work out for the best for you in Seattle.

By: gsatt2112

gsatt2112 — Wed, 23 May 2012 03:10:10 +0000

It’s not that intriguing of a theory. Team gets rid of someone who’s not a great teAm player

By: raiderinva

raiderinva — Wed, 23 May 2012 02:49:11 +0000

Bill Parcells would come in and cut the go to player of his new team to send a message and get everyone on the same level.

Kellen Winslow is notorious for basically being the Allen “Were talking practice” Iverson of NFL players.

Taking a page from the Bill Parcells playbook, Greg Schiano has sent a message to the team and set the example for what is expected from everyone.

As a Raider fan I hope that Dennis Allen and Reggie McKenzie follow suit with Rolando McClain.

By: gotampabay52

gotampabay52 — Wed, 23 May 2012 02:48:17 +0000

Where are all the comments oh winslow so good they gave a 7th he is tebow heart but a back up v jackson with williams will help clark puts up better numbers then winslow this yr bet on it

By: kraigk1

kraigk1 — Wed, 23 May 2012 02:44:37 +0000

Tampa Bay has enough fans to support a blog?

By: bucrightoff

bucrightoff — Wed, 23 May 2012 02:44:33 +0000

Many of Freeman’s picks last year were when he either went across the middle late or was forcing it to Winslow. I certainly think (hope?) the former can be corrected, and eliminating the other portion should in theory also help. Essentially now its all on Freeman, he’s gotta have a season that shows he’s worthy of being considered a franchise QB.

By: mediasloppy

mediasloppy — Wed, 23 May 2012 02:43:14 +0000

That’s just silly season talk.

By: thegreatgabbert

thegreatgabbert — Wed, 23 May 2012 02:42:31 +0000

Either that or he was expensive to employ, and had a bad knee that could put him out indefinitely at any given moment.

By: cordae

cordae — Wed, 23 May 2012 02:41:48 +0000

Hundred bucks to the first person who can tell me what “politicking” means…

By: nomoreseasontix

nomoreseasontix — Wed, 23 May 2012 02:40:23 +0000

Sounds sensible.
A demanding Diva helps no one but himself.
Probably a good move..

By: sledgehorn

sledgehorn — Wed, 23 May 2012 02:39:44 +0000

Obviously none of us know what really goes on in an NFL locker-room or practice field, but I get the feeling Kellen Winslow Jr was a jerk.
I feel like he probably felt some sense of entitlement, with his dad being a revolutionary Hall Of Fame TE, being a high draft pick, and one of the most talented players on both the teams he played on.
When Greg Schiano showed up and saw that a player like Kellen who didn’t want to practice and had an overall negative attitude was one of the veteran leaders on the team, he wanted to make a change and a statement.

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That or he just is a washed up hurt TE that truly just isn’t that good…

By: tigershark49

tigershark49 — Wed, 23 May 2012 02:34:33 +0000

Winslow has wasted his potential since joining the league. A solid player who could have been great. What a disappointment.

By: vincentbojackson

vincentbojackson — Wed, 23 May 2012 02:28:14 +0000

Sounds to me like the “soldier” just got transferred to another unit.

By: kylewild

kylewild — Wed, 23 May 2012 02:27:11 +0000

100% agree. Anybody who watched Freeman closely, you saw most of his INT’s were due to him forcing the ball to Winslow. Whenever the passing offense was struggling, Winslow would always be in Freeman’s ear complaining.

By: milkmandanimal

milkmandanimal — Wed, 23 May 2012 02:24:30 +0000

Yeah, this, totally. Freeman threw a bunch of picks last year, forcing the ball to Winslow. In 2010, he spread it around more (largely because in 2010 the rest of the offense was AWAKE), but last year nobody seemed to be trying, so he seemed to just force it into K2 over and over.

I’m surprised it took this long into the offseason to send Winslow packing; the guy played hard, but, while he’s physically gifted, he’s not vaguely as physically gifted as he thinks he is. He wants the ball constantly, and he’s just not good enough to be open often enough to justify it.