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Goodell says bounty proof will be made public, eventually

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At ownership meetings in Atlanta, Commissioner Roger Goodell addressed the media, as he usually does at ownership meetings, wherever they are held.

But these ownership meetings are occurring at a time when the NFL has been reluctant to disclose information regarding the Saints’ bounty investigation, specifically as it relates to the players who were suspended last month.  And in addressing the media on Tuesday, Goodell addressed the issue of making the information public.

In this regard, it’s particularly important to focus on what Goodell said, and on what he didn’t say.  From the official transcript posted at NFLCommunications.com, here’s the exchange:

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On if there is any talk about releasing the proof of payment in Saints bounty scandal:

We released the facts back in early March.  We have met with the union a couple of times.  The union specifically told the players not to cooperate in the investigation.  We are in the midst of challenges on a variety of fronts with respect to the process of these appeals.  So as that plays out and as that is concluded how that process will go forward, we will certainly engage and make sure we are fulfilling every aspect of that; including the appeals process itself.

On if he would expect at some point the proof becomes public:

Yes, I do.

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Contrary to characterizations of these comments elsewhere, Goodell said nothing about when the proof will become public.  He also didn’t say whether the information would be released with or without redaction or other protection of the names of the persons who provided it.

Regardless of whether the NFL officially releases evidence, it’s safe to say that any evidence produced by the league to the suspended players as part of the appeal process could be leaked to the media, by the NFL or the NFLPA.  The question becomes, then, how much evidence the NFL ultimately chooses to give to the NFLPA and the suspended players as part of the appeal process — and whether the NFL will disclose any evidence that reasonably could be interpreted as undermining the conclusion that the players deserve to be suspended.

Goodell separately laid the foundation for a potential reduction in the penalties, pointing to the fact that the players who have been suspended refused to talk to the league before the initial decision was made.  Apparently, there’s a chance that Goodell will change his mind after hearing from them, if/when the efforts to steer the appeal process away from him fail.

“You second-guess yourself because that is what an appeals process is for,” Goodell said.  “You want to hear what the players have to say.  Some of them indicated they wanted to come in and talk before the decision was made.  I invited them in.  They decided not to do that, at the NFLPA’s recommendation, I think.  I understand that.  When we get to the appeals, we will be able to talk about it and we will be able to hear from one another.”

The other benefit from a reduction in the suspensions is that it would make the in-house judge/jury/executioner seem meaningful, likewise making it harder for the players to attack the outcome of the appeals in court.

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  1. ningenito78 says: May 22, 2012 8:13 PM

    Well said Florio. Being an attorney you have been very informative on all this bounty stuff. If it comes out the Saints were doing what the NFL says they were doing I will be disgusted as a Saints fan. Here’s to the NFL being transparent, finally and ending this thing once and for all.

  2. timegambit says: May 22, 2012 8:18 PM

    People gonna be sweatin’ down on the bayou and it ain’t the Cajun cooking.

    You don’t think Goodell would even try to impose severe penalties without the evidence to back it up?

    He’s not stupid and neither is the NFLPA in suggesting no players assist with the investigation.

    Sure he’s positioning himself to reduce the penalties, but he wanted to do that all along; show them you mean business, but don’t totally ruin NO’s market.

  3. lolb23 says: May 22, 2012 8:20 PM

    Honestly, part of me feels a little sorry for the Saints players. Not Vilma, he was clearly a ring leader. But the rest are just dumb football players following the orders of their GM, HC, DC and defensive captain. Now they NFLPA has done them wrong with typical bad union advice. Goodell will be the first person with brains who has ever talked to them about this.

  4. dasportsninja says: May 22, 2012 8:23 PM

    Unless this proof is on the field video evidence, no player should be suspended.

  5. gotampabay52 says: May 22, 2012 8:23 PM

    Brees needs an explanation and the saint player will appeal and their fans will hate Goddell

  6. gotampabay52 says: May 22, 2012 8:24 PM

    I know its Goodell to me he is Goddell

  7. medtxpack says: May 22, 2012 8:24 PM

    People hate him for whatever reasons, but the man is cool, calm, collective and very smart. To have such a position of leadership and power he really does keep a very consistent image. Players should be thankful hes in charge, instead their being hoodwinked by a defunct union.

  8. sfsaintsfan says: May 22, 2012 8:24 PM

    Over the past three years combined I personally received as much in the way of “bounty” payments as the entire Saints Defense Combined for illegal hits that were “knock-outs” and “cart-offs”……..that would be NONE!

  9. cgarsmoker says: May 22, 2012 8:26 PM

    Why would any innocent person refuse to cooperate with the investigation or meet with the commissioner?

  10. jagsfanugh says: May 22, 2012 8:26 PM

    “ningenito78 says:
    May 22, 2012 8:13 PM
    Well said Florio. Being an attorney you have been very informative on all this bounty stuff. If it comes out the Saints were doing what the NFL says they were doing I will be disgusted as a Saints fan. Here’s to the NFL being transparent, finally and ending this thing once and for all.”

    Wow really? If it comes out???? LOL just like “spygate” right? NFL is out to get you so take cover.

  11. drgreenstreak says: May 22, 2012 8:28 PM

    The Commissioner is handling this professionally. Although his name is Roger, it could be Joe, as in blow. Fans will want him to act like a campaign spokesman one minute and the alleged perpetrator of the destruction of his own sport the next.
    The NFL is simply updating. Stay tuned.

  12. lolb23 says: May 22, 2012 8:48 PM

    How does the old saying go? ‘Be careful what you wish for’, Saints fans.

  13. genericuser8888 says: May 22, 2012 9:03 PM

    I like how Goodell refers to the “facts” released back in March. You know, the “facts” that the NFL misrepresented (Hargrove’s statement), wrote themselves (Williams’ apology), and felt the need to threaten the coaches not to discuss publicly.

  14. hairpie says: May 22, 2012 9:13 PM

    one difference between this and Spygate is that the Pats volunteered all the evidence against them… they didnt continuously lie or try to obstruct any investigation. So releasing all that to the public would be unethical because the Pats handed it over in good faith. Joe football fan doesnt have a right to the intellectual property of a team just because they are butt hurt their team lost to them… that and he destroyed it because it implicated other teams doing the same thing.

  15. dfeltz says: May 22, 2012 9:16 PM

    Isn’t the proof pretty evident since Williams hasn’t denied any of this?

  16. jason1980 says: May 22, 2012 9:18 PM

    Hater fans are sweatin’ more than the folks down on the bayou or Who Dat Nation, because at the end of the day, even if the suspensions remain as they are, the Saints are still among the top 10 teams in the NFL. Saints players and fans can’t wait for the season to start. Hell yeah, it’s gonna be a good year, and trust me, we Saints fans are gonna rub it in your faces until it hurts!! Hahahahahaha…

  17. mornelithe says: May 22, 2012 9:19 PM

    cgarsmoker says:
    May 22, 2012 8:26 PM
    Why would any innocent person refuse to cooperate with the investigation or meet with the commissioner?
    ____________________________________

    This part has me confused also, why wouldn’t you speak with Goodell regarding the accusations if you feel you’re wrongly accused. Who’s to say they have to provide any information other than the concerns over the particulars of the accusations? They could simply say they have no memory, recollection etc… of whatever else they asked and the NFL wouldn’t really able to prove them wrong?

    I could only think that the NFLPA tells them not to assist in any way, to minimize the overall scope of the inquiry? What else would there be? Remaining silent if you’re charged with a crime, doesn’t save you from conviction.

  18. themars211 says: May 22, 2012 9:22 PM

    I call bullcrap on Gooddell. He seems to be better at destroying evidence like spygate. So I think Vilma is right by taking him to court to make him release the evidence. He can spin it anyway he wants but if he was so eager to discipline the players he should be just as eager to provide the evidence. To hell with his kangaroo court.

  19. flaccounibrow says: May 22, 2012 9:47 PM

    Yeah right! Just like the spygate stuff was made public. I know, I know “Even the owners who were screwed by spygate say it was no help to know the other teams plays ahead of time” well those owners have a financial intrest in the league. First thing above all else is to stay solvent as a business. Thats what the NFL is. Harbaugh speaks out against spygate and before the ink is dry on the print retracts his statements. Hmm…I wonder how quick he got word from the league on that one. Spygate evidence was destroyed…Why? If it was no big deal, why couldn’t the public see what advantage was gained? So I’ll believe it when I see it regarding the bounty gate proof.

  20. csmit44 says: May 22, 2012 9:48 PM

    “People gonna be sweatin’ down on the bayou and it ain’t the Cajun cooking.”

    LOL….what in the hell is there to sweat about at this point. We’ve lost our Super Bowl winning coach for a freaking year and 2 high drafts picks. The organization has been drug through the mud by anyone associated with the nfl and everyone already assumed guilty. I’d like to see genuine proof of the whole thing at this point.

  21. sdisme says: May 22, 2012 9:52 PM

    “cgarsmoker says:
    May 22, 2012 8:26 PM
    Why would any innocent person refuse to cooperate with the investigation or meet with the commissioner?”

    _______________________________

    The answer to that question is in the timeline of events. And the fact the players are not completly innocent. They did violate the “bounty rule”.

    The NFL has completely clouded what they are accusing the Saints players of doing.

  22. franklamar17 says: May 22, 2012 10:04 PM

    I promise you that the players will not miss any games..

  23. dirtyharry1971 says: May 22, 2012 10:07 PM

    hey roger where was this concern when the Pats got caught cheating? Nooo you didnt want that public, you destroyed all the evidence!! They should get rid of this tool ASAP before he destroys the NFL

  24. bchapman2011 says: May 22, 2012 10:10 PM

    What excuse will Saints fans have when the league releases all of their evidence? Will they steal claim they are being unfairly targeted?
    Drew your explanation is coming soon. Can you handle it?

  25. freedomispopular says: May 22, 2012 10:16 PM

    Bounty proof will be made public…as soon as we pull it out of the trash.

  26. xxwhodatxx says: May 22, 2012 10:21 PM

    As soon as they manufacture some it’ll be out.

  27. cwmorga says: May 22, 2012 10:29 PM

    @lolb23 says: May 22, 2012 8:48 PM

    How does the old saying go? ‘Be careful what you wish for’, Saints fans.
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    No, the old local saying goes, Goodell seems to be “crawfishing”.

    BTW quit posting in every bounty article, Vikes fan. It makes you look pathetic. Your team lost. Deal with it.

  28. mrlaloosh says: May 22, 2012 10:29 PM

    The commish will dangle reduced suspensions to make this all go away. It will work.
    BTW, I find it amusing that so many Tampa fans need to comment on this so negatively. Your great new coach will bring you to the promised land. 3rd in the NFC South. Maybe.

  29. saintvilma says: May 22, 2012 10:29 PM

    And so the back -peddling begins …… Enjoy your time at the superdome mr. God dell I’m sure you’ll be quite welcome come the Super Bowl Who dat guy hiding over there ? Oh it’s the commish

  30. gbditka says: May 22, 2012 10:34 PM

    And we all still believe Obama was born in Hawaii…after it took 2+ years to provide proof!

    Take your time Commish in releasing the proof, no sense in putting this to bed now so we all can move along heading into the season!

    And an innocent man doesn’t say “No Comment” when asked about the Vilma lawsuit today after the Owner’s Meetings — if you have nothing to hide, speak up & bring the proof!

  31. buddybowl69 says: May 22, 2012 10:37 PM

    Well, it looks like this may be the end of the Saints as we know it. Stupid fans and team forced Goodell to bring forth all of the evidence, bringing to light all of the misdeeds that the Saints and administration have been doing. I see in their future a team suspension at least, and a team nullification at worst. You can’t say Goodell didn’t try to help, but you brought it on yourselves. Fools…

  32. besdayz says: May 22, 2012 10:38 PM

    So far the one hiding, concealing, manipulating has been the NFL and Goodell. Talk is cheap. Filing lawsuits and asking for you day in court is louder than talk.

    Do something Goodell but we all know you probably wont. Why. Bc you got caught red handed overplaying your hand. Good luck in court where bluffs and innuendo don’t play well against federal judges.

  33. eyeh8goodell says: May 22, 2012 10:40 PM

    The NFL’s got nothing and they know it. We would have seen any hard evidence at this point if there were any. All they got is heresay and conjecture, and I cannot wait to see Goodell get his butt handed to him in court in Vilma vs. Goodell.

    The letters to the front office say it all, cooperate and we’ll let you back in. Talk, and you’re out. Williams didn’t even write the apology statement. The NFL did.

    The NFL is going to have alot of dirty laundry made public very soon. I cannot wait to see the NFL go down in flames.

  34. LoCoSu@%s says: May 22, 2012 10:41 PM

    Goodell has shown in the past that he will impose penalties based on the flimsiest of evidence.

    I’m not supporting the Saints by any stretch of imagination, but for those that claim Goodell is fair and unbiased – I say you are too naive.

  35. thepftpaperchase says: May 22, 2012 10:43 PM

    lolb23 says:
    Honestly, part of me feels a little sorry for the Saints players. Not Vilma, he was clearly a ring leader. But the rest are just dumb football players following the orders of their GM, HC, DC and defensive captain. Now they NFLPA has done them wrong with typical bad union advice. Goodell will be the first person with brains who has ever talked to them about this.
    _________________________________
    I hardly think that Scott Fujita fits the definition of a “dumb football player”. Obviously, you think differently.

  36. scrapingthefloorioforstorios says: May 22, 2012 10:48 PM

    “booooooo!!
    hooooooo!!”- stains fans

  37. thedudesnotin says: May 22, 2012 10:51 PM

    This process has taken so long one has to wonder if the NFL is funding a Hollywood production of “Wag the Dog” the sequel. The cynic in me would believe that that is exactly what all this is, made up.

  38. silentcount says: May 22, 2012 10:53 PM

    Eventually, he’ll might release what HE THINKS is evidence. It’s becoming clear that Goodell was more concerned about presenting a safety-minded image, than being fair-minded. Fabricate a villain for the public to see and then attack it severely. He jumped to conclussions without the required proof. Then tells the coaches, “Sign this and shut up, or you’ll never coach again.” He can’t do that to the players and right now he’s realizing that most of his evidence was already made public, but no one considered it to be real evidence. Now he’s pretending like he’s got more, when in fact he doesn’t. He’s going to milk as much time as he can until he has to serve his own permanent suspension. Absolute power corrupted him.

  39. nflfan555 says: May 22, 2012 11:01 PM

    I second that boooo hoooo stop crying you lost a crappy lb and an avg DE, big deal. Stop u whining Aints Fans

  40. fsf7 says: May 22, 2012 11:12 PM

    “ningenito78 says:
    May 22, 2012 8:13 PM
    Well said Florio. Being an attorney you have been very informative on all this bounty stuff. If it comes out the Saints were doing what the NFL says they were doing I will be disgusted as a Saints fan. Here’s to the NFL being transparent, finally and ending this thing once and for all.”
    ___________________________________
    Don’t kid yourself. Florio doesn’t want the NFL to show the evidence because it’s the “right thing to do”, he wants to see it because he’s chomping at the bit to put his paralegals to work about what is released and then claim any and all controversial stories before anyone else.

  41. saintsfan83 says: May 22, 2012 11:30 PM

    If u were from Louisiana u would know never cooperate with the authorities. WHO DAT NATION!!!! HATERS GONE HATE

  42. hairpie says: May 22, 2012 11:34 PM

    One difference between this and Spygate is that the Pats volunteered all the evidence against them… they didnt continuously lie or try to obstruct any investigation. So releasing all that to the public would be unethical because the Pats handed it over in good faith. Joe football fan doesnt have a right to the intellectual property of a team just because they are butthurt their team lost to them… that and he destroyed it because it implicated other teams doing the same thing.

  43. vikingsfanintexas says: May 22, 2012 11:37 PM

    cwmorga says:May 22, 2012 10:29 PM

    @lolb23 says: May 22, 2012 8:48 PM

    How does the old saying go? ‘Be careful what you wish for’, Saints fans.
    —————————-

    No, the old local saying goes, Goodell seems to be “crawfishing”.

    BTW quit posting in every bounty article, Vikes fan. It makes you look pathetic. Your team lost. Deal with it.

    ************************************

    As a Vikings fan I agree… And the bounty BS didn’t decide the game. The Vikings fumbles did. They were the better team that day and gave the game away because they couldn’t hold onto the ball.

    Not hard to admit at all. Sometimes the better team doesn’t win, but as they say every play counts… it is what it is.

    What you can’t admit that the cheap shots the Saints put on Favre should have been called as penalties and that could have changed the result of the game.

    Which is why so few people are on your side. You’re not willing to admit the truth about the cheap shots. And you never will.

    And you, like the rest of us, have nothing but an opinion about whether the bounty program really existed.

    Everyone has an opinion… as they say… but only a few people know the truth. One of those people said the Saints are guilty. Good enough for me.

    Good luck in 2012, you’re going to need it without your coach.

  44. geo1113 says: May 22, 2012 11:38 PM

    dasportsninja says:
    May 22, 2012 8:23 PM
    Unless this proof is on the field video evidence, no player should be suspended.

    ————————-

    Nonsense. If I hire you to kill someone and you don’t do it, we have still committed a felony.

  45. vikingsfanintexas says: May 22, 2012 11:46 PM

    eyeh8goodell says:May 22, 2012 10:40 PM

    The NFL’s got nothing and they know it. We would have seen any hard evidence at this point if there were any. All they got is heresay and conjecture, and I cannot wait to see Goodell get his butt handed to him in court in Vilma vs. Goodell.

    The letters to the front office say it all, cooperate and we’ll let you back in. Talk, and you’re out. Williams didn’t even write the apology statement. The NFL did.

    The NFL is going to have alot of dirty laundry made public very soon. I cannot wait to see the NFL go down in flames.

    ******************************************

    Several years down the road all this stuff might play out and perhaps you will turn out to be right… perhaps not. But it will be a long time coming before your position based on nothing but your own opinion is proven right or wrong.

    So unless you have something factual to add, your opinion that the NFL has nothing and is going to have it’s dirty laundry made public is just BS… you don’t know squat.

  46. vikingsfanintexas says: May 22, 2012 11:50 PM

    saintvilma says:May 22, 2012 10:29 PM

    And so the back -peddling begins …… Enjoy your time at the superdome mr. God dell I’m sure you’ll be quite welcome come the Super Bowl Who dat guy hiding over there ? Oh it’s the commish

    ************************************

    There won’t be any Saints fans there… just fans of the teams that are playing…

  47. vikingsfanintexas says: May 23, 2012 12:01 AM

    gbditka says:May 22, 2012 10:34 PM

    And we all still believe Obama was born in Hawaii…after it took 2+ years to provide proof!

    Take your time Commish in releasing the proof, no sense in putting this to bed now so we all can move along heading into the season!

    And an innocent man doesn’t say “No Comment” when asked about the Vilma lawsuit today after the Owner’s Meetings — if you have nothing to hide, speak up & bring the proof!

    **************************************

    Someone filed a lawsuit and the defendant is smart enough to know that he can’t comment until the appeals are heard and the lawsuit is settled.

    You should be smart enough to understand that, despite your opinion that the state of Hawaii faked a birth certificate. Alas, apparently you aren’t…

  48. ilovefoolsball says: May 23, 2012 12:37 AM

    dfeltz says:
    May 22, 2012 9:16 PM
    Isn’t the proof pretty evident since Williams hasn’t denied any of this?
    ____
    Isn’t this proof that you just spout ignorant remarks out of your mouth like a fountain?
    I understand, you don’t know all the info that’s been released. You just read the first thing that comes out and skip over the other articles that are released and go straight to the comments because your opinion is so important.

    As far as GODdell’s response, give the lawyer credit, he keeps his cool, just like a cold blooded snake.

  49. whodatgirl1 says: May 23, 2012 1:22 AM

    “We released the facts back in early March.” An interpretation of evidence is not fact. I know some real facts:
    1) The released version of Hargrove’s statement wasn’t his own and parts were omitted (where’s #6???)
    2) Williams’ apology was written by the NFL and still doesn’t include admittance to a bounty program
    3) The e-mail released that was written by Ornstein that included him stating “Put $5,000 on Rodgers” was a joke. Where exactly would get $5,000 in prison? Was he going to pay it in cigarettes?

  50. ksm31311 says: May 23, 2012 1:36 AM

    LoCoSu@%s says:
    May 22, 2012 10:41 PM
    Goodell has shown in the past that he will impose penalties based on the flimsiest of evidence.

    ——————

    Under the CBA – which that sham of a union known as the NFLPA agreed to – he can pretty much do what he wants…

    That said, does any rational person think that this guy, who has been in the league adminstration for 30 years, is just being arbitrary and capricious?

  51. larryjames836 says: May 23, 2012 1:43 AM

    I don’t care what NFL commissioner Roger Goodell he might win you can’t beat the mob this why they speak boldly about what they don’t have to do or show to a public attorneys. I hope the Saints make Goodell look like a butt cracks but if the Saints don’t beat him on the bounty issues we will beat him with the football in the Super Bowl this is the only way the Saints going to be the Saints.

  52. usedtool says: May 23, 2012 2:01 AM

    The Saints players want to “Lawyer Up” like a bunch of criminals, then they should be treated the same in return.

    The union’s job is to protect the member, regardless of guilt or innocents (sp). Why? Because they can’t pick and choose who to defend or they become a “house organ”.

    The solution to all this is the players telling ownership, via Goodell, the truth. The union and courts are only necessary if Goodell plays games after this.

    BTW: I see know reason the layers should be punished more than owner/managership. A suspension to an owner/manager is a much smaller career percentage than that imposed on a player. Sounds to me like the big guy gets a slap on the wrist while the little guy gets hammered once again.

  53. mrcosio says: May 23, 2012 2:26 AM

    Just like the government will eventually release proof that Lee Harvey Oswald did it?

  54. hedleykow says: May 23, 2012 2:56 AM

    The only thing that could make this more interesting at this point, would be for Goodell to reveal that Vilma was the one who ratted out Williams.

    I’m not sure how that would play into the defamation lawsuit brought by Vilma against Goodell.

    You’ll have to excuse me, I have a headache now.

  55. jimbo75025 says: May 23, 2012 5:44 AM

    @lolb23 says: May 22, 2012 8:48 PM

    How does the old saying go? ‘Be careful what you wish for’, Saints fans.

    _________________

    I am inclined to agree with you.

    The NFL is in a difficult spot here. If they hold onto the info, then the sentiment against Goodell will most likely continue to grow. If there is indeed substantial evidence and it is released, then Goodell is going to be accused of beating the Saints while they are down.

    Personally, I think there is most likely some pretty strong evidence there. Williams/Payton/Loomis all accepted their fates without much of a fight really-it is the players who are fighting and most likely on some shoddy input from the union. If the players had just said sorry, we were just following orders, etc then maybe they would have gotten off lighter. Instead there were apologies and then when penalties came down-whoops we never did anything.

  56. CKL says: May 23, 2012 7:22 AM

    Sigh…”proof” WAS released on cameragate. At least one network (Goodell’s wife’s employer at the time, coincidentally)played portions of the actual tapes. Just because you didn’t SEE that doesn’t mean it didn’t happen.

  57. saintsfan26 says: May 23, 2012 8:31 AM

    Jimbo: Payton said he didnt know about a bounty system, and Goodell said if he didnt know, then he should have. The emails from the prisoner were sent from the prisoner to the team spokesman Greg Bensel, and then from Bensel to Payton. Those emails were a joke and you know it. He is in prison and he writes “p.s put down 5k on Rodgers for me”. That is Goodell’s evidence. Every last bit of Goodell’s evidence has been nothing short of laughable. The Saints did have a pay-for-performance program just like most other teams. Pay for big plays. But that is not what Goodell has punished us for and not what he came out in Public with pitchforks about.

    The NFL and most of the media have spent the last 2 or 3 months completely hammering the Saints. Calling us the scum of the world. All because of this so called “evidence” of us intentionally trying to injure other players that has really turned out to be the worst “evidence” i have ever seen in my life.

    The punishments do not fit the crime. Yes there was cash for big plays, and that may be what Goodell is referring to NOW when he talks about “bounties”. If thats the case, then everything is a bounty. Paying for an interception, bounty. Taking a teammate out for dinner, bounty. Now Goodell is lumping the 2 together when at first he was strictly all about the “pay to injure” program that never existed.

    After Vilma’s lawsuit, Goodell has quickly refrained from mentioning anything about pay to injure. Now he just makes the statement “bounties were paid” because now he is lumping the 2 together. Probably because he realizes that the public sees all of the evidence for the so called pay to injure program, and every last bit of it is a complete joke. Emails from a prisoner, mis-characterized statements, apologies from Payton and Williams written by the NFL and they were both threatened to be blackballed if they dont stay quiet.

    Every last bit of this punishment is the most ridiculous thing i have ever seen in my life other than the wiretapping scandal.

  58. lolb23 says: May 23, 2012 9:23 AM

    thepftpaperchase says: May 22, 2012 10:43 PM

    lolb23 says:
    Honestly, part of me feels a little sorry for the Saints players. Not Vilma, he was clearly a ring leader. But the rest are just dumb football players following the orders of their GM, HC, DC and defensive captain. Now they NFLPA has done them wrong with typical bad union advice. Goodell will be the first person with brains who has ever talked to them about this.
    _________________________________
    I hardly think that Scott Fujita fits the definition of a “dumb football player”. Obviously, you think differently.
    __________________________________

    Maybe “dumb” was the wrong word. I don’t think all players are dumb. “Good soldiers following orders” is maybe more appropriate. Point is, they were just following the orders of the HC, DC and defensive captain, and now they are paying for these guys poor decisions.

    @cwmorga not a Vikes fan. Believe it or not, I don’t have to be a fan of a team in the South, or a team who suffered as the result of the Saints bounty gate to understand what they did was wrong. You’d probably feel the same if you were a fan of any other team other than the one being busted.

  59. gingerkid2000 says: May 23, 2012 9:51 AM

    Just when I believe that the average person is somewhat intelligent and can’t possibly be this irreversibly stupid, I read the comments on these boards and am reminded that I’m horribly wrong.

    The aluminum foil industry must be making a fortune right now. Conspiracy theories are for the feeble minded who are too scared to have their opinions challenged by facts because it will prove that what they want to believe is wrong. It’s easier to place all of the blame on the one entity who you believe has all of the control (whether it is the Pats, Goodell, Obama) so that you or who/what ever you support will be absolved of any responsibility. “Gee, the Pats beat my team so they must have cheated.” “My favorite defensive player got suspended so Goodell must be out to get my team.” “I didn’t vote for Obama and I don’t have a job so it must be his fault that I’m an unemployed looser that can’t get my lazy caboose of the couch and go fill out an application at the Burger King because he’s not a legal Amurrican.”

    Give me a break whiners!

    In other words just because you may not like someone/something that doesn’t automatically make them the one in the wrong. The fact is none of you know what kind of evidence the NFL has and to assume that you DO know if they do or don’t is a lie. And I’m pretty sure that even if Goodell releases all the evidence. Even if the evidence released is of Vilma on video, with the audio blaring, throwing $10,000 on the table while asking teammates to literally break Favre’s neck. You would all scream like children in a Toy’s R’ Us that it’s faked.

    So keep living that lie dummies. The world is not out to get you. That just the self-centered simpleton in your head making you out to be more important than you actually are.

  60. nolarules says: May 23, 2012 9:58 AM

    buddybowl69 says:
    May 22, 2012 10:37 PM
    Well, it looks like this may be the end of the Saints as we know it. Stupid fans and team forced Goodell to bring forth all of the evidence, bringing to light all of the misdeeds that the Saints and administration have been doing. I see in their future a team suspension at least, and a team nullification at worst. You can’t say Goodell didn’t try to help, but you brought it on yourselves. Fools…
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    And the winner of the funniest post of day is…….buddybowl69… NEVER GOING TO HAPPEN. team nullification? YEAH RIGHT. YOU KNOW HOW FAST TOM BENSON WOULD DESTROY THE NFL BY BRINGING EVERY BIT OF EVIDENCE HE HAS OF TEAM COLLUSION WITHIN THE NFL TO

  61. jeff4life says: May 23, 2012 12:08 PM

    The NFL will not release the evidence until they need to because I think everyone is aware by now the evidence is a player and the NFL does not want to make public the source for obvious reasons nor do I blame them.

    At some point you just have to have faith that NFL knows what they are doing.

    Goodell is not just pulling names out of his A$$ these guys are guilty.

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