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Collusion suit directly resulted from Redskins, Cowboys cap penalties

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The lawsuit filed Wednesday by the NFLPA against the NFL for collusion in the uncapped year technically is framed as a petition to “reopen and enforce” the agreement that finally settled the Reggie White litigation.  And it’s clear upon reviewing the 20-page document that the claim flows directly from the NFL’s effort to remove $46 million in combined cap space from the Cowboys and Redskins.

Setting aside for now the impact of the NFLPA’s agreement to those cap penalties upon the new action, it’s clear that the claims wouldn’t have been made at all if the NFL hadn’t tried to impose the cap charges on the Cowboys and Redskins for their behavior in the uncapped year.

Paragraph 2 of the petition explains that the NFLPA became first aware of the alleged “conspiracy” to limit spending in the uncapped year to $123 million per team via the disclosure on March 12 that four teams (the Cowboys, Redskins, Saints, and Raiders) failed to “abide by secret NFL rules to suppress player salaries.”

The petition explains that the Redskins exceeded the secret cap by more than $102 million, the Cowboys by more than $52 million, the Raiders by more than $41 million, and the Saints by more than $36 million.  (No cap penalties were imposed on the Raiders and Saints, but those teams were barred from participating in the reallocated cap space that had been stripped from the Redskins and Cowboys.)

The petition alleges actual damages of “up to $1 billion, if not substantially more,” and the NFLPA contends that treble damages are in order, putting the potential bill at more than $3 billion.

In support of the claims, the NFLPA cites comments from Giants co-owner John Mara (who said the issue “came up several times in [ownership-level] meetings,” that the teams in question “attempted to take advantage of a one-year loophole, and quite frankly, I think they’re lucky they didn’t lose draft picks,” and that the teams knew “full well there would be consequences”), quotes from Commissioner Roger Goodell (who said, “[T]he rules were articulated. . . .  [T]he rules were quite clear”), and even a PFT report that teams were warned “at least six times” against dumping cap dollars into the uncapped year.  (Maybe I’ll finally get to refuse to identify a source on the witness stand and go to jail . . . and get shanked.)

The point for now is that, if the NFL simply hadn’t gone after the Redskins and Cowboys, the NFL wouldn’t currently be dealing with the present claim, which makes abundantly clear that the next nine years of labor peace will entail plenty of labor but not much peace.

Moreover, the fact that the Cowboys and Redskins aggressively fought the penalties served only to highlight the story and generate many of the quotes the NFLPA is now using against the league.  And while the NFLPA doesn’t explain how it knows that a secret $123 million per-team cap applied in 2010, it’s not a major stretch to conclude that someone from the Cowboys or the Redskins made that disclosure to the union in a fit of frustration and/or rage in discussions that occurred after the cap penalties hit the fan.

Of course, the bigger question is whether the NFLPA has the ability to make these claims, in light of the settlement agreement and the later agreement to impose the cap penalties against the Cowboys and Redskins.  We’ll address that issue separately.

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87 Responses to “Collusion suit directly resulted from Redskins, Cowboys cap penalties”
  1. skinspop102 says: May 23, 2012 1:49 PM

    Congrats Mara, your petty obsession with screwing two division rivals just effed the whole league.

    WELL DONE SIR!!!

  2. butthatmakestoomuchsense says: May 23, 2012 1:50 PM

    Even the most brainwashed, pro-owner yahoo has to admit it’s obvious that the owners colluded, and thus cheated the players out of tens of millions of dollars.

    THE OWNERS THEMSELVES ADMITTED IT when they sanctioned the Cowboys and Redskins for “not following the spirit of the rules” and spent more money than they were supposed to when the CBA clearly called for an uncapped year.

    Do you guys know how much three billion dollars is? Picture an envelope with a million dollars in it. Now picture three thousand of those envelopes. That’s what the NFL is looking at paying.

    Nice job, Goodell!

  3. dldove77 says: May 23, 2012 1:51 PM

    The NFLPA is driving me to hate the NFL. Great job, players!

  4. dowhatifeellike says: May 23, 2012 1:52 PM

    It always seemed kind of fishy from the start… having an “uncapped year” and then retroactively penalizing teams for spending above a cap that didn’t exist.

    Doesn’t the league office have to sign off on all contracts? If so, the league was complicit in allowing teams to exceed this fictional salary cap.

  5. thingamajig says: May 23, 2012 1:53 PM

    For a league and a union thats pretty much run by alot of lawyers, somebody sure doesn’t know what they’re doing.

  6. butthatmakestoomuchsense says: May 23, 2012 1:55 PM

    Am I the only one that thinks that, for the first time in history, the value of the NFL franchises are not only going down but are plummeting?

    Between this and the concussion suits the owners have a lot to be worried about, and all that risk has to be scaring off potential buyers.

  7. mn2long says: May 23, 2012 1:55 PM

    So, for the record, if the rest of the owners would have just followed Jerry and Dan’s lead, they would not have this problem. I don’t believe the NFLPA should be able to sue the NFL as that would directly affect the Skins and Cowboys when they clearly were not party to the collusion between the other owners. This should be a suit against the owner directly, not the NFL as a whole.

  8. ashburninsider says: May 23, 2012 1:57 PM

    Bravo John Mara and Roger GODell. I hope the NFLPA sticks it to you. You imposed an unfair punishemnt when your office signed off on every move.

  9. purpleguy says: May 23, 2012 1:58 PM

    This should be interesting, to the extent CBA junk is ever interesting. If the union settled all claims pre-dating the CBA last fall in the litigation and union processes, and also agreed to the cap action against the Cowboys and Skins after the CBA was signed, its hard to see how they haven’t waived, or at least limited any claims.

  10. blackqbwhiterb says: May 23, 2012 1:59 PM

    It’s obvious this was bound to happen…….Sooner or later the U.S. Congress will simply not be able to keep their hands off this business and attempt to pass some new rules for them to follow, which will ruin it like so many other wonderful capitalist enterprises in the country. Watch and see……….Snyder and Jones are INNOCENT!!HAIL

  11. stealthjunk says: May 23, 2012 2:00 PM

    NFL = National Football Litigators? These guys are becoming experts.

  12. rajbais says: May 23, 2012 2:01 PM

    I knew it and that’s why I feel the Redskins and Cowboys are quietly rooting for the NFLPA.

    Players, Daniel Snyder and Jerry Jones won’t be saving money for a while!!!

  13. therealjr says: May 23, 2012 2:02 PM

    Would anyone from the NFLPA care to explain how agreeing to the sanctions was in line with their claim that collusion hurt them? So they agree to let the league punish those who refused to collude and then file this suit. What a bunch of hypocrites.

  14. wtfru2 says: May 23, 2012 2:03 PM

    And now the only ones to get anything out of this are the attorneys.

    Vultures!

  15. txxxchief says: May 23, 2012 2:05 PM

    Well, the vicious greedheads in the NFLPA are at it again, enabled by a couple of owners who wanted to try to gain an unfair competitive advantage over other clubs in the league.

    I don’t believe for a second that the goal of trying to hold down expenses in the uncapped year was to “suppress player earnings.” NFL players are already paid incredibly high salaries for their services. I believe the owners of the NFL wanted to maintain competitveness, and not allow certain high revenue teams to “buy” championships.

    The NFL really needs to find a way to reorganize as a single business entity to avoid these kinds of legal hassles. They could then truly get control of their labor issues.

  16. spartan822 says: May 23, 2012 2:05 PM

    I don’t care if there was a “conspiracy” to limit spending in the uncapped year. Player salaries were already out of control, especially for rookies, and something needed to be done. The cost of being an NFL fan is getting ridiculous. Bunch of greedy bastards, all of them, owners, players, agents, and of course the lawyers.

    /rant

  17. thegreatgabbert says: May 23, 2012 2:06 PM

    There was some delay in the procedures after DeMaurice Smith misspelled “Collusion” on the application, and it ended up in Traffic Court.

  18. santolonius says: May 23, 2012 2:07 PM

    hey lawyer dude – a lawsuit would have the immediate effect of preventing the nfl from destroying any memos and notes, etc that could be used as evidence, right? that could make for some interesting reading at some point.

  19. paulsmith107 says: May 23, 2012 2:08 PM

    Between the concussion lawsuits and now this the nfl is in gonna be in big financial trouble. It’s sad that this arrogant pompous idiot GODdel is running this league into the ground. I’m not sure if anyone quite understands what the nfl could lose besides billions of dollars if collusion is proven there goes your cba and salary cap. Thank you marra you jack ass

  20. koolrepetoire says: May 23, 2012 2:08 PM

    I love it! And my Redskins got to dump $102 million over the $123 million supposed cap. GM Bruce Allen cleaned up the incompetent Vinny Cerato’s glaring blunders in 1 uncapped year. Yes! Settle out of court NFL & just give back the $36 million so my Redskins can make it rain with brains! HTTR!

  21. butthatmakestoomuchsense says: May 23, 2012 2:09 PM

    dldove77 says: The NFLPA is driving me to hate the NFL. Great job, players!

    Forced to choose between THREE BILLION DOLLARS and your affection, I think the NFLPA is going to take the money. :)

  22. commonsensedude says: May 23, 2012 2:09 PM

    I’ll bet all you guys your choice of beer that Roger Goodell doesn’t survive until the end of the 2013 season. What a mess!!!

    And, wow … we’re actually talking about a “secret cap?” Maybe the Skins and the Cowboys forgot to sign the contracts with their super secret decoder ring.

  23. bucngator says: May 23, 2012 2:10 PM

    In my lifetime, I’ve never seen a union more stupid than the NFLPA.

    If they’re gonna play the lawsuit game, which is in effect, biting off the hand that feeds it…

    ….then the NFL should file a lawsuit regarding the decertification of the union, which everyone knows was also a scam.

    This is yet another money grab by De Smith and the union leadership. What a disgusting and ungrateful pack of wolves….. which means that Florio will be leading their charge!!

  24. istateyourname says: May 23, 2012 2:11 PM

    Sounds like NFLPA would have had a slam dunk case if they didn’t bargain it away…

  25. 805_9er says: May 23, 2012 2:14 PM

    I guess this case just illustrates the tremendous arrogance of the owners.

    For them to collude and set their own cap in the uncapped year is really stupid based on what happened to the baseball owners for doing the same thing some years back.

  26. kacapaco says: May 23, 2012 2:14 PM

    League said ‘boys & ‘skins violated 2010 and NFLPA come at the league for collusion. That is what they call ‘be careful 4 what u wish.’ the league has to conceded tones of things behind doors or will b in big trouble.

  27. hendawg21 says: May 23, 2012 2:14 PM

    So is this coming to a “Lets make a deal” matter to avoid the courts and embarrassment for all the other owners and the commish’s office??? I think giving back $46 million is a far better deal than to have to pay out $3 billion or so give or take…

  28. superdanlp says: May 23, 2012 2:15 PM

    Didn’t I read that the NFLPA approved of these 2 cap penalties? makes no sense

  29. deathtoromo says: May 23, 2012 2:16 PM

    This is what happens when someone like Mara , who was handed daddys business, is the head of the Executive Committee that handed down these penalties. Irsay would have just made Jerry and Dan buy him an 8 ball and a case of Budweiser.

  30. butthatmakestoomuchsense says: May 23, 2012 2:18 PM

    therealjr says: Would anyone from the NFLPA care to explain how agreeing to the sanctions was in line with their claim that collusion hurt them? So they agree to let the league punish those who refused to collude and then file this suit. What a bunch of hypocrites.

    They are separate issues.

    In fact, by not objecting to the Cowboys and Redskins being punished by the NFL the NFPLA may have given the owners enough rope to hang themselves.

  31. cliffordc05 says: May 23, 2012 2:20 PM

    Things are now pretty clear:
    1) The NFL owners engaged in collusion to limit salaries during the uncapped year.
    2) The Redskins, Cowboys, Saints, and Raiders were all aware of the salary agreement and did not abide by the agreement.
    3) The players were clearly harmed by the agreement among the teams to hold down salaries.

    What is not clear:
    1) Do the players now have the right to sue the NFL or did they bargain away that right under the new CBA. This will be the primary issue for the court to decide.
    2) Did the teams that broke the illegal agreement do so after sitting in a meeting with the other owners and agreeing to the terms of the agreement then seek an unfair advantage over their co-conspirators.

    If Jones and Snyder made their objection to an illegal salary cap known during the meetings with the league and other owners then they have a reason to complain about their treatment. If they agreed with the other owners to engage in an illegal conspiracy to hold down salaries and then reneged on their word then they are scumbags.

  32. redskinsroost says: May 23, 2012 2:21 PM

    ” (Maybe I’ll finally get to refuse to identify a source on the witness stand and go to jail . . . and get shanked.)”

    Yeah, if you’re lucky, that’s the ONLY thing you’ll
    have thrust in you….

  33. thraiderskin says: May 23, 2012 2:23 PM

    haha morons…

  34. rex1979 says: May 23, 2012 2:25 PM

    Between this, the concussion crisis, the lock-out, and the bounty scandals, the NFL is being exposed – and it’s pretty damn ugly to look at.

    The great new American pastime.

  35. nfceastfan says: May 23, 2012 2:27 PM

    Just to play long and make believe there was any merit to this suit, wouldn’t it be funny if the NFLPA won??

    The Redskins and Cowboys would actually be losing millions of real revenue plus the meaningless cap space “that part actually saved them money” What’s that tell you? Jerry Jones had nothing to do with tipping the NFLPA off, but on the other hand, Snyder’s lack of business savvy, and overall business smarts points right to him. Jones is way too smart to cut his nose off to spite his face. Snyder isn’t.

  36. tinkletinkleonyourstar says: May 23, 2012 2:27 PM

    ‘collusion’… i’ll be that word was invented by lawyers representing ‘clients’ (and i use that term loosely) who were, at a previous time, suing their employers for some assinine reason or another.
    i know it’s not gonna happen anytime soon (at least 9 years) but i would still love to see the owners pull a ‘ronald reagan’ on the players and fire their asses.

    i got your union right here! (crotch grab)

  37. all32 says: May 23, 2012 2:28 PM

    Anytime Lawyers are put in charge of anything it is destroyed. Take a look at the Fed., State, and Local Governments.

  38. butthatmakestoomuchsense says: May 23, 2012 2:29 PM

    wtfru2 says: May 23, 2012 2:03 PM

    And now the only ones to get anything out of this are the attorneys.

    Vultures!

    When the baseball players successfully charged the owners with collusion in the 90′s, the injured parties (individual players) walked away with a lot of money. Don’t kid your self that it’ll end up any other way this time.

    Don’t blame lawyers, unions, or boogeymen- the owners promised the players an uncapped year, and through lies, treachery and deceit, did not deliver one.

    Hold the owners accountable for their cheating.

  39. koolrepetoire says: May 23, 2012 2:29 PM

    You have to wonder if the NFLPA DeMaurice Smith & them always had this ace up their sleeve after the lockout to make sure the players & Explayers get what they deserve of the $9 billion annual pie. And that $9 billion is projected to more than double in 10 years. Pay up NFL. Just when they celebrated beating the Redskins & Cowboys, oops pump yo’ brakes.

  40. dscol715 says: May 23, 2012 2:29 PM

    The union didnt have to be told what the secret cap was they probably just calculated it based on the Redskins and Cowboys actual cap charge that year minus whatever they were penalized. Not exact but close enough probably.

  41. rickastleydancemoves says: May 23, 2012 2:30 PM

    Someone name me 1 lawsuit that someone has won against the NFL? I’ll wait.

  42. canesgiants says: May 23, 2012 2:32 PM

    so the nflpa signed off on it but is now trying to file a suit??

  43. dvdman123 says: May 23, 2012 2:33 PM

    Can I sue the NFL too? Anyway I just can’t see Goodell surviving all of this when all is said and done. All of this Spygate,Bountygate,Capgate and concussion lawsuit mess have taken place under HIS watch.

  44. JaminJake says: May 23, 2012 2:33 PM

    stealthjunk says:
    May 23, 2012 2:00 PM
    NFL = National Football Litigators? These guys are becoming experts.

    ________________________

    The only league I could play for *insert rolling smiley emoticon.

  45. all32 says: May 23, 2012 2:36 PM

    Anytime lawyers are put in charge of anything it is destroyed. Look at the Fed., and most State Governments.

  46. jgedgar70 says: May 23, 2012 2:36 PM

    “…it’s not a major stretch to conclude that someone from the Cowboys or the Redskins made that disclosure to the union in a fit of frustration and/or rage in discussions that occurred after the cap penalties hit the fan.”

    Oh, please let this be the case. The idea that Jerry Jones and/or Dan Snyder, two of the most hated owners in sports, spilled the beans on the collusion? The jokes write themselves.

    “The NFLPA and Teamsters have announced they have captured Jerry Jones and Dan Snyder and are holding them hostage. If the NFL does not meet their demands, the NFLPA will release them to speak in public.”

    Memo to state bars: “Are your members having trouble finding work? Book Jerry Jones and Dan Snyder as keynote speakers at your next conference. Place them behind microphones and in front of cameras and ask them questions. Your members will be awash in billable hours in no time.”

    Headline: “Jones, Snyder to testify CIA did assist Lee Harvey Oswald”

    Leno and Letterman will have a field day.

  47. solomon151 says: May 23, 2012 2:42 PM

    txxxchief says:
    May 23, 2012 2:05 PM
    Well, the vicious greedheads in the NFLPA are at it again, enabled by a couple of owners who wanted to try to gain an unfair competitive advantage over other clubs in the league.

    I don’t believe for a second that the goal of trying to hold down expenses in the uncapped year was to “suppress player earnings.” NFL players are already paid incredibly high salaries for their services. I believe the owners of the NFL wanted to maintain competitveness, and not allow certain high revenue teams to “buy” championships.

    The NFL really needs to find a way to reorganize as a single business entity to avoid these kinds of legal hassles. They could then truly get control of their labor issues.
    ————————————————–
    Dude, you are clueless!!!!!!!! That is all, Carry on with your day..

  48. koolrepetoire says: May 23, 2012 2:51 PM

    Why do these uninformed Redskins haters keep assuming Daniel Snyder is the Redskins GM? Jerry Jones has no GM, he runs the Cowboys, Al Davis as the owner ran the Raiders, Bruce Allen is the Redskins GM, Mike Shanahan is VP to Football Operations, this is the 3rd straight NFL season Daniel Snyder fell back. Even when you folks speak on Snyder you fail to grasp that Vinny Cerrato made those decisions. Every NFL owner signs the checks. Zoiks!

  49. jakek2 says: May 23, 2012 2:52 PM

    Lawsuit posts sure highlight how sadly uneducated the average NFL fan is.

  50. xinellum says: May 23, 2012 2:55 PM

    I am sorry for all you union supporters out there but at some point in time you have to say, it is their team, the owners can do what they want, if they want to agree to an informal cap then what is the difference if they agree to a formal cap. There was no contract between the NFL and the NFLPA regarding the cap and so they can do what they want. What I think the NFLPA and its members needs to do is to make enough money to buy your own team and then you can do what YOU want. But until you pony up the bucks to buy a team, then shut up and be glad you have a job playing a game and getting paid more than any human being has a right to expect. Ray Rice asking for $50 million is a joke along with any other player. Honestly in the last CBA, the owners should have drastically cut salaries and said you want to play then play but your not making $50 million you are only making $10 mnillion and if you don’t like it, there are literally thousands of kids coming out of college that will play for less, the last CBA proved that. Right now veteran players think they have leverage because they feel they are the face of the NFL. They need to learn in 5 years time the owners could have cut salaries by 200% and still have college kids lining up to play pro football. So, for 3 or 4 years the play isnt as good as it was, but after that, we will still be drawing the best college prospects and they will be playing for a lot less. NFL players are spoiled crybabies who make too much money and their egos are bigger than their salaries. Proof is all the criminal arrests for stupidity, DWI and drugs that NFL players have been in court over. Most of these cases are NFL egos driving 125 mph through time while drunk with a joint in their hands and a pound in their trunk. They are seriously overpaid and definitely overeducated.

  51. butthatmakestoomuchsense says: May 23, 2012 2:56 PM

    tinkletinkleonyourstar says: ‘collusion’… i’ll be that word was invented by lawyers representing ‘clients’ (and i use that term loosely) who were, at a previous time, suing their employers for some assinine reason or another.

    You guys are aware that it was originally a group of OWNERS that wanted a “no collusion” clause in the CBA, right?

  52. butthatmakestoomuchsense says: May 23, 2012 2:57 PM

    rickastleydancemoves says: Someone name me 1 lawsuit that someone has won against the NFL? I’ll wait.

    Reggie White and the city of Houston, just to name two.

  53. koolrepetoire says: May 23, 2012 3:03 PM

    Collusionists are illusionists sued by Unionists & former head contusionists so stay tuned to this.

  54. gweez76 says: May 23, 2012 3:05 PM

    Is that funnier than say Mara going on National TV and essentially explaining the conspiracy in detail to the press?

    I mean could you be anymore stupid?

  55. axespray says: May 23, 2012 3:05 PM

    tbh, I’m glad the league went with the whole “handshake” salary cap thing during an uncapped year…. at least they’re trying to even the playing field instead of letting guys like Jerry Jones and Synder go yankee spending on everyone’s best players.

  56. musicman495 says: May 23, 2012 3:05 PM

    rickastleydancemoves says: May 23, 2012 2:30 PM

    Someone name me 1 lawsuit that someone has won against the NFL? I’ll wait.
    ——————————-
    Al Davis was long considered one of the most controversial owners in the NFL and was involved in multiple lawsuits involving Los Angeles, Oakland, Irwindale and the NFL. In 1980 he attempted to move the Raiders to Los Angeles but was blocked by a court injunction. In response Davis filed an anti-trust lawsuit against the NFL. In June 1982 a federal district court ruled in Davis’ favor and the team officially relocated to Los Angeles for the 1982 NFL season.

  57. dryzzt23 says: May 23, 2012 3:07 PM

    Bust the union I say!

    I am so done with the players and their union representation.

    I will sue every RB in the NFL for every time they fumble and cause me emotional anguish, and every QB who throws an INT. Let’s see how they like being sued and paying a lawyer to defend themselves.

  58. gweez76 says: May 23, 2012 3:08 PM

    Trust me off the record admission by Danny or Jerry didn’t bring this lawsuit to bear.

    It was hubris and pettiness by owners to think that they could penalize teams for nothing.

    And most importantly (and if you don’t believe me, just go read the suit) Mara explaining the entire conspiracy on natl. tv

  59. phillyphan83 says: May 23, 2012 3:10 PM

    Does everyone forget WHY there was no cap that year? It was NOT in the old CBA, the old CBA had expired and a new agreement was not met in time for the start of the league year, thus resulting in an uncapped year. In the interest of fairness but more so integrity, an off the record agreement was reached by ALL the owners. Call it collusion or whatever you like, it was the right thing to do. After agreeing to this and being warned not to go against it(6 times! allegedly) and then breaching the agreement anyway…you reap what you sow. The penalties are deserved and warranted. Everyone is just trying to make excuses based on technicalities.

  60. CKL says: May 23, 2012 3:11 PM

    Good grief…if the NFL and the NFLPA were children in the back seat of my car I’d be hollering, “KNOCK IT OFF, both of you, don’t make me come back there.”

  61. leonbryte says: May 23, 2012 3:14 PM

    Here’s $100 bucks says De Smith has already had the wool pulled over his eyes(again) by Goodell, and the owners get this thing thrown out. Guarantee the NFLPA signed some release without reading it first when they signed the CBA. Go get your fedora, De.

  62. trollaikman8 says: May 23, 2012 3:17 PM

    @xinellum.

    Thank you Mitt Gingrich.

    I’d like to subscribe to your newsletter or blog if you have one.

  63. eagleswin says: May 23, 2012 3:17 PM

    Many posters still do not understand that the Cowboys and skins WERE NOT punished for violating a secret salary cap, they were punished for FRONT LOADING longterm contracts. Contracts that extended past the uncapped year into the capped years.

    There is no proof that’s been presented in this or any previous articles in relation to a $123 mill salary cap. Nor is there any evidence of any team being punished for it.

    The NFLPA is going to have to come up with some proof (but then again they are trying to get this heard by Judge Doty). Worst case scenerio is the NFL goes over Doty’s head again and get the ruling overturned, again.

  64. billsin20xx says: May 23, 2012 3:19 PM

    “(Maybe I’ll finally get to refuse to identify a source on the witness stand and go to jail . . . and get shanked.)”
    Instead of getting ‘shanked’ you are probably more likely to get …. while in jail!

  65. siriusred67 says: May 23, 2012 3:25 PM

    I don’t see how there was collusion that cost players money. What the four teams did was essentially *overpay* players for the one year in an effort to circumvent the rules that they knew would be in place the following year.

  66. camiller85 says: May 23, 2012 3:27 PM

    “Chickens coming home to roost”

  67. erod22 says: May 23, 2012 3:28 PM

    eagleswin, that doesn’t change the fact that the league approved the contracts as they were written.

    It’s collusion no matter what.

  68. zaggs says: May 23, 2012 3:32 PM

    Unless all the contracts in question were only 1 year long contracts for last year, not seeing the NFLPA having a case. To further Eagleswin’s point, this is the crux of the matter:
    “According to several people familiar with the case, the league found that the Redskins and Cowboys technically violated no salary cap rules but sought to gain an unfair competitive advantage when the salary cap went back into effect. The two teams, according to those people familiar with the case, paid money to players during the uncapped year that otherwise would have been paid in subsequent years with the salary cap back in place. That way, the money never counted against the cap and the teams cleared salary cap space in future seasons.”
    It how the teams are skirting the cap NOW and in later seasons. Not last year.

  69. jimw81 says: May 23, 2012 3:32 PM

    thingamajig says:
    May 23, 2012 1:53 PM
    For a league and a union thats pretty much run by alot of lawyers, somebody sure doesn’t know what they’re doing.
    —————–

    Look at the NHL, they are run by lawyers and look how popular they are…….

  70. steelcitywhitty says: May 23, 2012 3:33 PM

    however the year that they front loaded those contract they exceeded the alleged agreed upon salary cap. NFLPA could not agree to waive something that did not officially happen. Only when the NFL punished the teams did an official action happen. The $46million in punishment represents the basis for the claim.

  71. steelcitywhitty says: May 23, 2012 3:35 PM

    you have to remember the Cowboys and the Redskins were not the only teams to front load contracts during the expired CBA. They were just 4 of the teams that were punished for exceeding the cap.

  72. koolrepetoire says: May 23, 2012 3:37 PM

    Suddenly the Jeff Saturday & Bob Kraft hugging & giving pleasantries image has changed to Snyder & Jones giving the bird with NFLPA standing behind them giving the bird to 29 owners, Goodell, & Burbank. And still I say this is the Greatest NFL Off-season ever!

  73. butthatmakestoomuchsense says: May 23, 2012 3:39 PM

    xinellum says: I am sorry for all you union supporters out there but at some point in time you have to say, it is their team, the owners can do what they want, if they want to agree to an informal cap then what is the difference if they agree to a formal cap.

    What’s it like living in a world where you believe in fairy tales?

    The owners have to live up to the agreements they make with the players union. If you don’t believe me, go ask one of the guys that owned a baseball team 20 years ago. They had to pay the players $280 million in damages after they colluded.

  74. therealsmiley says: May 23, 2012 4:31 PM

    nfceastfan says

    Daniel Snyder owns a $1.6B sports franchise. You calling him out for his lack of business savy is hilarious. Hail dopus!

  75. hystoracle says: May 23, 2012 4:34 PM

    Can’t we just play football? All this crap with lawsuits for getting injured playing the game (who would of thought that could happen?), collusion, and bounties are really starting to turn me off from the NFL. Can we get back to playing the actual game? all this crap is going to do nothing but destroy the NFL.

    What happens if the 2500 players with head injuries actually win? Are they going to get $3 a piece?

    The only way to avoid injuries playing football is Not to play. (And no one wants that!)

  76. unitedstateoftexas says: May 23, 2012 4:47 PM

    @phillyphan83

    Hey, idiot. If there was no CBA there wouldn’t have been ANY football. The old CBA had an uncapped year built in to ensure that another CBA would be quickly decided upon. Stop trying to sound smart and do some research before you make dumb claims.

  77. heathshuler says: May 23, 2012 4:48 PM

    What does no salary cap mean?

  78. realdeal12 says: May 23, 2012 4:57 PM

    Just like I said yesterday.

    Messed with the wrong rich dudes.

    I hope Mara and Goodell get run out of town.

  79. butthatmakestoomuchsense says: May 23, 2012 5:01 PM

    According to several people familiar with the case, the league found that the Redskins and Cowboys technically violated no salary cap rules but sought to gain an unfair competitive advantage when the salary cap went back into effect. The two teams, according to those people familiar with the case, paid money to players during the uncapped year that otherwise would have been paid in subsequent years with the salary cap back in place. That way, the money never counted against the cap and the teams cleared salary cap space in future seasons.”
    It how the teams are skirting the cap NOW and in later seasons. Not last year.

    The problem here is that when signed those deals were signed there was no way of knowing how the cap in the next CBA would work, or if there would be one at all.

    The Cowboys and Redskins followed all of the rules as they were written in 2010.

  80. ilovefoolsball says: May 23, 2012 5:03 PM

    I yearn for the day that Goodell is on 60 minutes talking about what went wrong in his administration. He’ll be as smug as ever and never take any of the blame.

  81. mullman7675 says: May 23, 2012 6:14 PM

    The league is shady and does not bother to hide it. Goodell is obviously in the pocket of a select few owners.

    Namely- Rooney, Mara and Kraft. The Rooneys and Maras have a long history of making things hard on maverick owners, just ask Al Davis (RIP).

    Add Kraft to the mix of “owners with an agenda” and substitute Snyder and Jones for the late, great Al Davis and you have the current situation.

    I hope the league gets exposed. Eventually it will all come out.

    Unless Roger burns it all. You know, like SpyGate…

  82. gadzod says: May 23, 2012 6:35 PM

    NFL owners collude, and the NFLPA desertifies when they don’t get their way, and resertifies when they do get what they wanted. Both are scams. Hopefully the judge throws it out and tells both to quit wasting American taxpayer money on these stupid lawsuits. These judges have more important things to resolve.

  83. elifan4life says: May 23, 2012 7:08 PM

    this is a retaliatory move bye Jerry crack pot Jones for being hit with the fines. how else would we know that there was a “supposedly 123 million dollar secret cap in 2010 that all the owners were in on?? he leaked it out to the press, if anybody put his foot in his mouth and let out the dirty little secret it was Jerry Jones people.

  84. ajpurp says: May 23, 2012 10:42 PM

    It amazes me how ignorant people are about the law on these message boards, I always can read it for a kick. Btw steel city, your completely right on a few things but the problem with your argument is that wherever the suit arises from there are issues for the NFLPA, if it’s over the punishment handed out they signed off on it, that’s why they’re claiming they didn’t know what it was for (bc you can’t sign away rights w/o being informed) but that’s exceptionally hard to prove because it relies on proving the actual faux cap that year which will require testimony or documentation which there obviously is none. Of course, they can also argue that the punishments prove the faux cap but again it’s the issue that the NFL (who has intelligent lawyers) handed down punishments because of future impact not that year. Then the argument of the league approving the contract is likely the one that will be most useful but the issue with that is they didn’t know what actual cap they would be acting under and if the new CBA contains anything on this point that’s dead in the water too, they can say they simply approved everything until the new CBA. Best argument is other teams under faux cap that front loaded didn’t get punished, but again I’m sure the league has thought of that because it is the most obvious one. This all likely comes down to the union signing away their rights, even with Mara’s statement. And people all 29 owners did this, not Goodell and not Mara, the executive chair of labor issues does not get to decide punishments it always takes unanimous agreement to proceed with any action, no one owner gets to do this. I know you need a face for your hate but it’s the entire league and the entire union because they both want things their way and both use coercion and legal maneuvering. It’s all crap, and everyone’s greed is to blame, it’s the same every where in the country and Goodell is only doing the owners bidding. Mara, Jones, Snyder, Rooney, they’re all to blame for all the bs that invades the sport.

  85. hlmatty1 says: May 24, 2012 3:32 PM

    Wallace says he wants to sign a $12 million a year contract and you criticize teams not willing to pay it but, instead, taking a rookie at a $1 million @ year 5 year contract?? Under the new CBA, draft picks are gold, so why would someone take a restricted free agent?

  86. macwomack says: May 25, 2012 11:37 AM

    John Mara is much better than Dan Snyder…

    All Snyder can do is ruin the Redskins… Mara just effed the whole league.

  87. dcbronco says: May 27, 2012 10:47 AM

    I hope the players get a honest judge and not anymore bought and paid for political clowns. It’s obvious the league committed a violation of anti-trust laws. But they have gotten away with this in the past and could again. The players need to spend less on making it rain and more on protecting themselves.

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