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Numbers don’t support Alex Smith’s claims about Cam Newton

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But for the lawsuits and arrests, last week’s back-and-forth from players on franchises that used to be division rivals would have gotten a lot more interest and attention.  Still, the comments from 49ers quarterback Alex Smith about the perceived reason for Panthers rookie Cam Newton’s uncanny stats in 2011 were noticed by key players from each team.  Panthers linebacker Jon Beason verbally smacked Smith down, and 49ers linebacker Patrick Willis defended his quarterback.

The numbers seem to cut against Smith’s theory, according to Peter King of SI.com.

“I could absolutely care less on yards per game,” Smith said last week, to get the controversy rolling. “I think that is a totally overblown stat because if you’re losing games in the second half, guess what, you’re like the Carolina Panthers and you’re going no-huddle the entire second half.  Yeah, Cam Newton threw for a lot of 300-yard games.  That’s great.  You’re not winning, though.”

As King points out, Newton threw for more yards last season in the first half of games than in the final two quarters, with 2,071 and 1,980 yards, respectively.  Also, Newton threw for only 523 of his rookie-record 4,051 yards when they Panthers trailed by between nine and 16 points.

There’s another relevant reality that doesn’t arise from the numbers.  Attaching any member of the 49ers’ front office, coaching staff, roster (except for Smith), and fan base to a lie-detector and asking whether they’d prefer the first overall pick from 2005 or 2011 to be the San Francisco quarterback, and the answer would be unanimous.

The same outcome would happen in Carolina, and perhaps the best news for Panthers fans is that Newton has taken the high road, saying nothing in response to Smith’s assessment.

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  1. drewbreeswants says: May 28, 2012 2:08 PM

    Drew Brees wants an explanation

  2. sportsnut62 says: May 28, 2012 2:10 PM

    Are you kidding me???….Alex Smith has one good year and now he thinks he can bash Cam lol…in this case it was your Defense that won games you moron….if you had no defense you surely wouldn’t of even made the playoffs…and that’s a fact that 99.9999 would take cam over smith with smith being the only one picking himself lol.

  3. tennis22drew says: May 28, 2012 2:11 PM

    49er fan- I DEFINITELY do not want Cam as the face of my franchise with his track record

  4. jibanez0810 says: May 28, 2012 2:11 PM

    What about the 13-3 number?

  5. nlombardi117 says: May 28, 2012 2:11 PM

    smith < newton

  6. canadianvikingfaniii says: May 28, 2012 2:18 PM

    Smith is piggy backing a great Defence and running back. Of corse he would not have to throw for as many yards. One good season and Alex Smith lets it go to his head.

  7. thegreatgabbert says: May 28, 2012 2:19 PM

    Myeeh, they said the same things about the top drafted quarterback a year after Smith was taken. Vince Young was OROTY and a Pro Bowl Alternate in 2006, the same as Newton last year. Five years ago if they asked whether fans preferred the top drafted QB in 2005 or the top drafted QB in 2006, the answer would have been equally unanimous.

  8. khoff17 says: May 28, 2012 2:20 PM

    ZzzzZZzzzz

  9. jwayne111 says: May 28, 2012 2:22 PM

    this year will tell the truth on Smiths ability to lead with his passing game. 49er’s have a monster schedule and needy WR’s…the #’s will be looked at – comments like those will not be forgotten.

  10. tangeuray says: May 28, 2012 2:31 PM

    If you exclude Rodgers,Brady and Drew the numbers make perfect sense.

  11. jibanez0810 says: May 28, 2012 2:32 PM

    At the end of the day the only numbers that matter are wins. Ask Dan Marino.

  12. footballgod87 says: May 28, 2012 2:34 PM

    2 years ago most 49ers fans wanted Alex Smith gone. Now they are acting like they would rather have him than a guy that broke all kinds of rookie records. Hilarious. Why can’t folks see all teams aren’t created equal. San Fran has a great team, but Alex Smith is in no way elite

  13. teal379 says: May 28, 2012 2:34 PM

    Love the irony in those saying “Smith had one good year and he’s calling out Cam!?”

    How many yearS exactly did Cam have?

  14. gogoniners says: May 28, 2012 2:35 PM

    Newton’s YPG in wins: 190.8
    Newton’s YPG in losses: 290.5

    Great journalism King, this is far more relevant than blanket statistics over all games.

    Irregardless, it doesn’t even matter. Smith is right, because his point was very simple. It has been overblown and misinterpreted in a pathetic effort to create juvenile and absurd drama during a rather tepid period of the offseason. Nothing more.

  15. mezter says: May 28, 2012 2:36 PM

    Bottom line, the 49ers are better then the Panthers.

  16. billb49 says: May 28, 2012 2:49 PM

    I know this will seem like blasphemy to many, but I would rather have Alex Smith as QB for the Niners this year than Cam Newton. And, by the end of the season, I think most people will understand why.

  17. thegreatgabbert says: May 28, 2012 2:55 PM

    Roethlisber went 13-0 as a rookie and threw less than 300 passes that year. Around 2500 yards. Orton was 10-5 as a rookie starter the following year and threw even less.

  18. deetrain11 says: May 28, 2012 2:57 PM

    7.thegreatgabbert says: May 28, 2012 2:19 PM

    Myeeh, they said the same things about the top drafted quarterback a year after Smith was taken. Vince Young was OROTY and a Pro Bowl Alternate in 2006, the same as Newton last year. Five years ago if they asked whether fans preferred the top drafted QB in 2005 or the top drafted QB in 2006,
    the answer would have been equally unanimous

    ___________________________________
    VY didn’t break Peyton’s passing record like Cam did, and Cam also didn’t break Peyton’s int record.
    Alex Smith had 1 td to 11 int’s his 8 game rookie season. So yeah people would’ve said VY or ANY other QB…..including teams back-up. SF brought Troy Smith to win the job from the great alex.

  19. mullman7675 says: May 28, 2012 2:58 PM

    It is always better to shut up and play. Respect is accrued at a much faster rate that way. Smith has been in the league a long time with limited success. He should know better. I hope Harbaugh told him to keep his trap closed and win football games.

  20. sea3369 says: May 28, 2012 3:02 PM

    Alex ur still an idiot ur deffinetly not as good as u think u are no matter what ur record or ur cornholing coach tell u

  21. gcsuk says: May 28, 2012 3:03 PM

    teal379 says:
    May 28, 2012 2:34 PM
    Love the irony in those saying “Smith had one good year and he’s calling out Cam!?”

    How many yearS exactly did Cam have?
    ———————————————————-

    How many “yearS” did it take Alex Smith to have that “one good year”? How many “yearS” did it take Newton? There’s your answer. And I am not a Panthers fan.

  22. sea3369 says: May 28, 2012 3:05 PM

    Billb49 the niners will crumble this year last yr was a fluke (blind squirrel found a nut) mark my words under alex smith u go 9-7 this yr

  23. unkleruckus says: May 28, 2012 3:06 PM

    Love the irony in those saying “Smith had one good year and he’s calling out Cam!?”

    How many yearS exactly did Cam have

    OK, would it make you feel better if he said, Smith has had one good year in the 6 he’s been in the NFL, while Newton has had a good year EVERY year he’s been in the NFL.
    And for all you that say wins are all that matters, of course it does when you have no numbers to fall back on.
    Brandon Jacobs had more wins than Adrian Peterson last year.
    Cedric Benson more than Steven Jackson
    Michael Crabtree more than Calvin Johnson
    Alex Smith more than Tony Romo
    Tim Tebow more than Philip Rivers….
    I hope you get the point!

  24. robf2010 says: May 28, 2012 3:07 PM

    With apologies to Casablanca, Alex Smith will always have 2011. He’s got a point but I think he maybe should have kept it to himself because, with apologies to Cinderella, when he turns back into a pumpkin this season …

  25. prmpft says: May 28, 2012 3:09 PM

    smith is horrible – lucky at best – and would be holding a clipboard in miami if Peyton liked the west coast. So a hack making unsubstantiated claims to try and recover what little bit of dignity he has is not a surprise.

  26. rdly49ers says: May 28, 2012 3:10 PM

    And the 6 comeback wins Alex Smith had last season.how many did cam newton have …..it wasn’t all the defense, Alex did win those games. Now this year Alex could relaxe a lil since he don’t have to learn a new playbook..learning a new playbook every season the last 5 years will halt anybodys progress…. Go Niners

  27. bullcharger says: May 28, 2012 3:15 PM

    gogoniners says:May 28, 2012 2:35 PM

    Newton’s YPG in wins: 190.8
    Newton’s YPG in losses: 290.5

    Great journalism King, this is far more relevant than blanket statistics over all games.

    Irregardless, it doesn’t even matter. Smith is right, because his point was very simple. It has been overblown and misinterpreted in a pathetic effort to create juvenile and absurd drama during a rather tepid period of the offseason. Nothing more.

    ———————–

    Smith’s point was simple but he could have said it without throwing Newton’s name into the mix.

    He’s right that wins matter more then yards, but yards are still a good measuring stick to some extent.

    Instead of looking at Newton’s numbers, look at the number of Super Bowl winning QBs that only have had two 300 yard performances in their career. It’s not many. Smith isn’t likely to take the 49ers to the promised land unless he get’s better.

  28. jwayne111 says: May 28, 2012 3:16 PM

    Alex and Flacco basically want some media attention – you guys givem attention and the true #’s are not the attention they wanted. Ooops!

  29. donterrelli says: May 28, 2012 3:16 PM

    gogoniners says:
    May 28, 2012 2:35 PM

    “Irregardless, it doesn’t even matter. ”

    I gave you a thumbs down just for that, buddy.

  30. jh500 says: May 28, 2012 3:16 PM

    Cam Newton is the greatest NFL rookie of all time (be it at any position). Smith threw one TD in his rookie year. He should shut up.

  31. andymannfl says: May 28, 2012 3:21 PM

    billb49 said:

    “I know this will seem like blasphemy to many, but I would rather have Alex Smith as QB for the Niners this year than Cam Newton. And, by the end of the season, I think most people will understand why.”

    That’s not blasphemy but it is crazy. I think it far more likely by season’s end the niners will be ‘understanding why’ they need a new QB.

  32. kepickle says: May 28, 2012 3:21 PM

    I would rather have Cam Newton Because all he’s been saying all off season is I need to get better Unlike Alex Smith who seems to be blaming everyone else for his problems

    Jake Delhomme was one of the best game Mangers around a few yrs ago Maybe ALex should call him up & Jake could help him get used to his Job as GAME MANGER

  33. schmitty2 says: May 28, 2012 3:27 PM

    Got to love the Niner homers. The same ones who were calling for David Carr prior to last season. When are you going to realize it was the defense was the main reason they had such a good record. If management had so much faith in him why did they push for Manning?

  34. billb49 says: May 28, 2012 3:30 PM

    Bitter Seahawks fans are funny. But, of course, if I were stuck in the same division with a team like what the Niners have become, I’d be a little bitter too.

    Hey sea3369! You needed Patrick Willis to be injured and not on the field to eek out a win last year. This year, have fun watching your team get swept.

  35. metalhead65 says: May 28, 2012 3:31 PM

    what exactly did he say that was wrong? how is saying newton threw for a lot yards but did not win trashing him? he was just stating a fact while defending himself. the fact is newton threw for more yards but did not win as many games as smith. this year based on the 49er’s off season personal moves smith should have more passing yards than last year but that will be up to the coaching staff and not him. same as with newton,if he does not have the gaudy stats this season as he did last year but the panthers win more games does that mean he will have sucked? it is not newton’s fault the panthers sucked but smith gets no credit because the 49er’s won? I am not a 49er’s fan but that is just stupid and somebody trying to cause trouble over nothing.

  36. 49erstim says: May 28, 2012 3:32 PM

    Are we still overblowing this “story”? Smith was merely commenting that Cam HAD to make plays near the end of games and that may have led to some inflated stats. I have always liked Alex. Not all of his struggles could be placed squarely on him. The 49ers went through some DARK offensive years. Maybe Cam didn’t respond because he didn’t see any disrespect…..

  37. pantherpro says: May 28, 2012 3:36 PM

    Cam MVP! Smith wins Super Bowl!!! They are both studs!!

  38. ninerdynasty says: May 28, 2012 3:37 PM

    This is coming from a niner fan.. Alex smith will never be as good as Cam was in his rookie season.. Smith is just full of excuses.. from not having WRs, to changing coaches every year to being hurt.. blah blah.. keep an on the kid in St Louis.. he seems to be going in the same path..

  39. CKL says: May 28, 2012 3:44 PM

    @ bullcharger, I respect your point, but I am not sure I can agree re: 300 yard games being that important in and of themselves. I think you are a Pats fan also and TB had exactly 2 300 yd games, one in the playoffs, the year the Pats won SB 36 (which would have been his career # at that points well). What TB was way back then was an efficient & smart QB executing a well tailored offense and that’s all you need when you have a great defense. Pats’ D wasn’t great by the #s in 01, but they were pretty good.

    I did a spreadsheet a few years back (08, so in the so called “passing era” post 04 emphasis rule)on 300 yd and/or 30+ attempt passers and their win correlation and every single one whose team had a winning record when they threw for over 300 yards/+30 attempts, maybe minus 1 guy had a top 10 defense in points allowed. The key is the 300 yd/30+ game must be due to the fact the offense is dictating and not reacting to being down a bunch. The former position is made possible by a good defense, usually.

  40. 3000ft2glory says: May 28, 2012 3:52 PM

    gogoniners says:
    May 28, 2012 2:35 PM
    Newton’s YPG in wins: 190.8
    Newton’s YPG in losses: 290.5

    ‘Great journalism King, this is far more relevant than blanket statistics over all games.

    Irregardless, it doesn’t even matter. Smith is right, because his point was very simple. It has been overblown and misinterpreted in a pathetic effort to create juvenile and absurd drama during a rather tepid period of the offseason. Nothing more.’

     Wait, did u just criticize a journalist and then write the word ‘irregardless’?

  41. aces79 says: May 28, 2012 3:52 PM

    I LOVE THE NINERS BUT ALEX SMITH SHOULD SHUT HIS MOUTH AND WORRY ABOUT HIS OWN TEAM ALEX WHAT DID YOU DO LAST YEAR TO WIN THOUGHS GAMES THE QUESTION IS WHAT YOU DIDNT DO WON THOUGHS GAMES 13-3 RECORD WAS THE DEFENSE NOT YOU ALEX SO SHUT YOUR FACE AND LEARN HOW TO THROW FOR NEXT SEASON YA FIRST ROUND BUST

  42. rdly49ers says: May 28, 2012 3:54 PM

    Hey niner dynasyt ur full of it ..what did Alex have to work with his rookie season what receivers did he have what coaches did he have u have to look at the whole picture before u judge someone .coaching has a big part of how a player turns out look at Steve Young before MY Niners got him how was he doing before he arrived in San Fran..Ima Niner 4 Life….Go Niners

  43. ninergold says: May 28, 2012 3:56 PM

    Hey America how about these numbers San Francisco 5 Super Bowl wins! carolina panthers absolute zero super bowl wins!

  44. sob2324 says: May 28, 2012 4:00 PM

    Its funny how Everyone OUTSIDE of sports can talk about Alex, But He ( a professional NFL QB) cant speak his mind. All he said was Stats are meaningless. Anyone who cant understand that probably thinks Yahoo Fantasy Football is Real Football. Give me Cam for Fantasy Football. Give me ______ to win my team a Super Bowl!

  45. kgbdk says: May 28, 2012 4:05 PM

    How about this number:

    Cam Newton 21 TD’s 17 INT’s – 4 TD-INT differential

    Alex Smith 17 TD’s, 5 INT’s – 12 TD-INT differential

    I don’t know about you, but averaging a little more than an INT a game is a lot more damaging to a team than throwing a little more than 1 TD a game. This seems like a far more relevant number than any amount of yardage and has nothing to do with either team’s defense. And these numbers indisputably support Alex’s argument.

  46. jvibottomline says: May 28, 2012 4:07 PM

    Ahhh, there is One Huge reason you would take Alex Smith over Cam Newton and it has to do with your odds of winning a Super Bowl

  47. darrelb says: May 28, 2012 4:11 PM

    Troy Aikman averaged 199 YPG passing over his career.

    Smith wasn’t bashing Newton personally so get your little girly emotions under control. He probably wouldn’t mention Newton again if he had it to do over but get over it. Keep your ridiculous venom to yourself. Poor little Camy will just have to take some time off from his shoe commercials and win some games. Nice defense, Beason.

  48. tucson9er says: May 28, 2012 4:12 PM

    Alex is full of excuses? Really? Because in recent memory he doesn’t throw his team under the bus, takes responsibility for his short comings, and the teams losses. Secondly, if you’re thinking, bring Cam in right now and he’d have to adjust to the team, a new coach, system, terminology, and venue. So Alex is the guy you’d want. Lastly, somebody show me where Alex says he’s a better QB than Cam- oh wait, that never happened. Y’all need to actually read what was written. It’s nice that one paragraph gets everyone’s panties in a bunch. Most of you aren’t worth sharing a beer with and talking football because you reply have no idea about the game. Sad really.

  49. hitit49 says: May 28, 2012 4:24 PM

    Looks like both have had ONE good year. Watch it play out with the coaching staffs that each have and character concerns one might have. The best judge will be their next contracts.

  50. pixelito says: May 28, 2012 4:27 PM

    He used an example and made a point, I get it… It’s not necessarily a knock on anyone.

  51. cgarsmoker says: May 28, 2012 4:40 PM

    49er fans trying to defend Alex Freaking Smith is ridiculous….. You’ll go back to calling for his head by week 5. Bank on it.

  52. ninerfanrich says: May 28, 2012 4:41 PM

    This was a rip on the ypg stat being overblown, not Cam Newton. Why can’t people understand that?! Sheesh!!

  53. rajbais says: May 28, 2012 4:47 PM

    Alex Smith let his insecurity affect thinking and opinion!!!!

    He needs to accept his place in the NFL and he will be fine!!!

  54. GhostoftheBay says: May 28, 2012 4:59 PM

    17 ints to 5 ints, I want the guy with only 5 ints! Yards don’t matter if you turn the ball over 17 times.

  55. deetrain11 says: May 28, 2012 5:05 PM

    gogoniners says:May 28, 2012 2:35 PM

    Newton’s YPG in wins: 190.8
    Newton’s YPG in losses: 290.5

    Misleading stats…..Cam HAD to throw much more at the beginning of season. Panther fans D Williams and J Stewart both run out of town, for not producing. The running game didn’t start producing until the 2nd half of the season. Why? Because teams had to RESPECT Cam’s ARM, and that meant teams couldn’t stack the box. Panthers
    TRIED to run 1st part of season and team finally got run game figured out…..and that meant that Cam didn’t need to pass as much! Balanced offense opened door for the team producing BIG PLAYS and wins in the final 5 or 6 games.

  56. unkleruckus says: May 28, 2012 5:12 PM

    Troy Aikman averaged 199 YPG passing over his career.

    Smith wasn’t bashing Newton personally so get your little girly emotions under control. He probably wouldn’t mention Newton again if he had it to do over but get over it. Keep your ridiculous venom to yourself. Poor little Camy will just have to take some time off from his shoe commercials and win some games. Nice defense, Beason.

    Nice try, but you fail to mention that Aikman played when averaging 200ypg wasn’t too shabby. In today’s passer friendly NFL, not averaging 200yds/GM blows. How come nobody wants to discuss Smiths previous 6 years in the league? Last year could’ve been a fluke. The NFC west is arguably the weakest division in the league.

  57. unkleruckus says: May 28, 2012 5:15 PM

    GhostoftheBay says:
    May 28, 2012 4:59 PM
    17 ints to 5 ints, I want the guy with only 5 ints! Yards don’t matter if you turn the ball over 17 times.

    What about the rushing touchdowns? Which, you know, kinda contribute to points on the scoreboard, which is kinda the goal of the offense, correct?

  58. hippiedriver2 says: May 28, 2012 5:20 PM

    sounds like they all have the same problem that rex ryan has can keep your mouth shut syndrome

  59. rickdawg52 says: May 28, 2012 5:38 PM

    when the steelers won the Super Bowl in 05, Big Ben threw for 2,300 yds and 17 TDs….so i said Mr. Smith is dead on

  60. shlort says: May 28, 2012 5:41 PM

    Maybe they both tank this season, who knows? The NFL has seen a ton of one hit wonders over the years. The NFL is more about marketing players than it is about statistics. The stats dont hurt the marketing effort, but they arent neccessary. Onr good year doesnt make a career, but it will sell millions in Merch.

  61. shawnc16 says: May 28, 2012 6:01 PM

    deetrain11 says:May 28, 2012 5:05 PM

    gogoniners says:May 28, 2012 2:35 PM

    Newton’s YPG in wins: 190.8
    Newton’s YPG in losses: 290.5

    Misleading stats…..Cam HAD to throw much more at the beginning of season. Panther fans D Williams and J Stewart both run out of town, for not producing. The running game didn’t start producing until the 2nd half of the season. Why? Because teams had to RESPECT Cam’s ARM, and that meant teams couldn’t stack the box. Panthers
    TRIED to run 1st part of season and team finally got run game figured out…..and that meant that Cam didn’t need to pass as much! Balanced offense opened door for the team producing BIG PLAYS and wins in the final 5 or 6 games.
    —————————————————–

    You are proving Alex’s statement to be true, he was only saying that passing yards per game is a misleading stat. What you just stated agrees with what Alex said.

  62. blkmanwtan says: May 28, 2012 6:03 PM

    Alex Smith should be thinking David Akers. The 49ers offense and red zone offense sucked. If the 49er had Mare, then Alex would have kept his mouth shut

  63. wso2hi says: May 28, 2012 6:32 PM

    Still can’t understand why Smith chose Newton out of all the QB’s in the league. Why even pick on anyone. very disconcerting.
    maybe it was the last gasp to vent his feelings about the 49ers openly going after Manning.
    that must have been painful. luckily, Harbaugh’s career as a back up gives him a very supportive frame of mind to back his players.
    The back up QB’s make better coaches: they spent their whole careers, preparing against all odds and understand all the things that can go wrong.
    the guys that started didn’t have to think about those things- and those are what coaches coach up.

  64. scalfor3 says: May 28, 2012 6:58 PM

    sam bradford? i havent heard him make one excuse, and he was a better qb as a rookie than alex smith is now.

    this whole thing is stupid though. smith wasnt “trashing” cam, but making the “yards don’t matter, wins do” argument sounds a whole lot like an attempt to justify your lackluster performance

  65. randallflagg52 says: May 28, 2012 7:04 PM

    Love these 9er fans, talking like they own the NFL after one good season after like a decade of being an easy win on everyone’s schedule.

    I’d be worried about Seattle if I were you 9er fans, they are quietly and quickly assembling a lot of young talent up there. Lets not forget you barely eeked out 2 wins against them, and they had freakin’ T-Jax at QB. Matt Flynn will be an upgrade, pretty much by default so I’d concentrate on beating them before you start proclaiming “Superbowl”.

    Oh and I’m a Ravens fan BTW, so I’m just calling it like I see it.

  66. discosucs2005 says: May 28, 2012 7:05 PM

    From a team perspective Smith is totally correct, and if you disagree you either don’t understand or you’re stupid. From a player perspective Cam is obviously much more talented than Smith. I’m a huge 49er fan, but that’s obvious. I would trade smith for cam in a second, but I would trade wins for ypg (which is smith’s point).

    From Smith’s point of view, people are bashing him for not having a lot of yards, and his point is, who cares? The 49ers win games, that’s all that matters.

    I’m not a mind reader, but if Alex Smith truly believes that he’s better than Cam I would be shocked, and he would be wrong.

  67. dumplingsrbrown says: May 28, 2012 7:12 PM

    There’s a whole bunch of nitpicking about numbers going on, but I think the whole point Alex was trying to make was the numbers that count the most are wins vs losses.

    Cam Newton will likely have a better athletic and statistical career than Alex Smith, but when they are 60 years old I think they both would rather remember winning seasons rather than how many yards they threw for.

  68. panamon says: May 28, 2012 7:13 PM

    Wow what a terrible piece of journalism. To make the title accurate it would have to say “[Two cherrypicked and oddly specific] numbers don’t support…”. No additional research or even any sort of mention that the huge conclusion you just drew might not align with the mass of other data that exists (as proven in the comments). YPG in losses/wins was the main point and Alex Smith was 100% correct.

  69. mrlynch33 says: May 28, 2012 7:35 PM

    I would take Alex Smith. Only 5 picks last year. Ohh, And let’s not forget about his performance against the Saints in the playoffs last year….Cam is good but he hasn’t played as well as Alex did that last 5 minutes.

  70. chrismatthewsucks says: May 28, 2012 7:42 PM

    hahaha Alex Smith is one of the biggests busts in recent history.

    28 other NFL Qb’s > A. Smith.

    Smith Shut up, you are garbage!!! hell Patrick Willis could have more yards then you.

  71. ceadderman says: May 28, 2012 7:45 PM

    People need to chill. Smith wasn’t picking on Newton. He was picking on the Panthers season record is what he was picking on.

    He gave Newton the credit the kid deserves. But the truth is would you rather have stats or Wins? Give me the latter every day of the week and twice on Sundays.

    Funny thing about stats though, the QBs’ who threw for over 4k yards? Not a single one of their Defenses ranked over 23. Only ONE of those QBs’ had less than 10 Picks on the season as well. The odds are that the more you throw the ball the more Interceptions you throw too. Interceptions that put your Defense back out on the field. The longer a Defense is on the field the likelihood that the Opponent will score. The more the Opponent scores your QB has to answer.

    It’s great for Fantasy Football, but if you wish to be successful it’s best not to throw more than 40 times a game if you can help it.

    3400 yds is nothing but look at what the 9er Defense ranked last year? 4th. The 9ers didn’t need Smith to throw a lot. Regardless of 3rd down stats Smith got it done when he needed to and a 13-3 Regular season record to show for his troubles.

    Even Newton would give up the stats to get a shot at the prize. Anyone that thinks differently, well their elevator doesn’t go to the top.

  72. ceadderman says: May 28, 2012 8:00 PM

    deetrain11… Smith also only Started 9 games and please show us the All Pro Receiver that Smith had in his Rookie season?

    I’m pretty sure that Newton was throwing bombs to Steve Smith. Bet Alex Smith would have personally hacked off his left nut to have an All Pro Receiver to throw to in his rookie year and woulda given up his right one for a Line that would give him an average of 3 seconds a snap.

    But yeah Superman Cam is just so much better. :/

  73. rexryansfork says: May 28, 2012 8:46 PM

    Alex’s point was right but he shouldn’t have brought Cam into this. But since he did he should think about one thing:

    If it was Cam playing qb for the niners, it’s them in the super bowl, not the giants. Game managers should not be talking about game changers.

  74. capitaloffense says: May 28, 2012 9:08 PM

    @ceadderman

    You make some great points. Unfortunately defenses are ranked by yards, not points or turnover ratio. Just to play devil’s advocate to your point:

    1.) The Pats for example had a terrible defense when measured by yards, however I recall them leading the league in takeaways. So while giving up many yards, they were putting the ball back in their QB’s hands more allowing Brady to rack up more yards.

    2.) Another way to look at is, a great offense with a short passing game and/or running game is able to keep their defense off the field and rested. So if a defense’s rank is measured by yards, an average defense may look great due to opposing offenses not getting the opportunity due to a great time of possession strategy.

    What you speak of is just the ebb and flow of the game. Situations can play out differently based on the random occurences in a series of games. Offense begets Defense and vice versa. Not to mention Special Teams contributions. This kind of lessens the importance of stats, which are still quite important.

    What we can go by, is what we see over the long haul of a season visually and use stats to bolster our visual analysis. Honestly, to me it’s a no brainer to crown Newton as “better” than Smith by LOOKING and ASSESSING. Not having an all pro receiver doesn’t necessarily excuse Alex Smith. Steve Smith had plenty of QBs throw to him and they weren’t producing like Cam was. Hell, most people thought S. Smith was done. On the other side of the coin, who did Sam Bradford have in his rookie year? When you are good and it is visually represented by your play it will show in the numbers. Alex Smith doesn’t stack up to Cam when visually assessed and his numbers quite frankly show that. When Newton gets more years under his belt we will have a better view of this picture. As of now, clearly it’s Newton > Smith, as football player despite win/loss record. No one is questioning that wins are what really matters though.

    As a side note: While I somewhat agree with the point Alex Smith was trying to make I think rexryansfork’s quote sums it up best: “Game managers should not be talking about game changers.” Simple, yet eloquent. Keep another man’s name out of your mouth and we wouldn’t be having this discussion.

  75. sonoco says: May 28, 2012 9:11 PM

    All Alex needed to say is stats don’t matter when you’re 13-3 and parked it right there. He didn’t need to bring Cam’s name ore anybody else for that matter . . . and since Alex Smith doesn’t do twitter my guess is that you’ll hear Smith say something close to that sometime after Tuesday’s OTA’s. This is a big yawn.

  76. latchbeam says: May 28, 2012 9:13 PM

    13-3… That’s his point.

  77. christopher5777 says: May 28, 2012 9:34 PM

    Put Alex Smith on the Panthers, Clausen is starting by week 8. Put Cam on the 49ers and they are hoisting the Lombardi trophy.

  78. gadgetdawg says: May 28, 2012 10:22 PM

    Has anyone even looked at Smith’s record before this season? I really don’t think this is the man that should be boasting about wins to anyone. Considering Newton was responsible for 35 TDs this year and Alex has been good for 72 (reg season) over 6 years makes it a bit worse for Mr Smith.

    I’d compare their rookie seasons to be fair.

    Newton- 35TD, 17int and 2 fumbles
    VS
    Smith- 1TD, 11int and 2 fumbles.

    I do agree that there is no comparing who the better QB is but the 9er homers won’t like the answer. . .

  79. jbl429 says: May 28, 2012 11:18 PM

    Who cares about 1st vs. 2nd half stats. Look at passing numbers while ahead vs. behind. I’m not an Alex Smith fan, but I’m sure Cam Newton was playing from behind most of the entire season. Smith has a valid point, but at the same time, you can’t discount the season Cam Newton had.

  80. jf49ers says: May 28, 2012 11:50 PM

    Could it be that the defenses in the NFC South are garbage? I mean, the 49ers scored 45 and 36 against the two teams that they faced. Not bad for a weak offense and quarterback.

  81. 49er4life says: May 29, 2012 3:43 AM

    I just want to remind all you, “if Cam was on the 9ers, it would have been Super Bowl,” of one thing. The 49ers lost to the Giants because of 2 costly turnovers by the special teams unit, NOT because of Alex Smith’s poor play. In fact, it was Alex Smith’s efficient play that not only got them there past the Saints, but also had them leading the game until the 2nd turnover occurred.

    Frankly speaking, though I will be the first to praise Cam for his outstanding year, I would not have wanted the additional 12 turnovers, as they most definitely would have cost us a few wins.

  82. raideralex99 says: May 29, 2012 4:04 AM

    Wow this story just will not go away.

    “Attaching any member of the 49ers’ front office, coaching staff, roster (except for Smith), and fan base to a lie-detector and asking whether they’d prefer the first overall pick from 2005 or 2011 to be the San Francisco quarterback, and the answer would be unanimous.”

    Really one good year … what happens if he gets a career ending injury?
    WOW … that’s all it takes to be a HOFer … I guess Josh Freeman is a HOFer too because he had one good year also … seriously let Cam play afew years and then you can put him in the Hall of Fame.

  83. raideralex99 says: May 29, 2012 4:15 AM

    Will people stop comparing Alex Smith rookie stats to Cam Newton … it’s pointless.

    You want stats here you go …
    2005 … only 2 QBs threw for 4,000+ yds.
    2011 … 10 QBs threw for 4,000+ yds with 3 of them throwing for over 5,000 yds.

    The league is changing the passing game has taken over and this is why the RBs are not getting the big contracts.

  84. axespray says: May 29, 2012 6:53 AM

    jibanez0810 says:May 28, 2012 2:32 PM
    “At the end of the day the only numbers that matter are wins. Ask Dan Marino.”

    Dan Marino won a lot of games buddy… just happened to be on a lot of teams that weren’t anywhere near as loaded as the 2011 49ers or the ’70s steelers.

    If Alex Smith & Terry Bradshaw played on some of those Dolphin’s teams, they’re out of the league faster than Brian Brohm.

  85. briank1ne says: May 29, 2012 8:00 AM

    People are really making a big.deal of this. On audio it didn’t sound Like smith was talking smack but just defending himself. Looks like he’s finally in the spotlight.

  86. 49erstim says: May 29, 2012 8:01 AM

    Hate on Alex all you want because you are entitled to your opinion and his career can bear that out, but to suggest that Cam Newton would’ve taken the 49ers to the SB and won is ludicrous and you should be ashamed to take that stance, even sarcastically. I like Cam,, but he has a little way to go before he can overcome great teams in the playoffs.

  87. a9erfaithful says: May 29, 2012 9:00 AM

    The problem with the majority of these comments that express vitriol for Alex is that they miss the whole point. The point is, passing yards (and passing touchdowns) have a strong inverse relationship with the quality of your team’s defense and ST. Beason, and not Newton, SHOULD be the one to take offense to Alex’s comment. With the exception of N.O. and the classless way in which they run up the score, last year’s passing stats were a direct result of defensive play. Sure some of those prolific passers had gaudy stats, but the stats reflect a need as much as a ability. Whether its playing from behind, trying to keep up, or playing to stay ahead, it’s all on the defense. The Niners had a monster D last year and a ST squad that was equally monstrous. They had the best starting field position last year and a game plan that called for controlling the tempo of the game, which correlated to the 2nd lowest pass attempts in the league. What I’m getting at is exactly what Alex was getting at, stats are not a perfect reflector of the effectiveness or the value of a QB. And if it comes down to choosing between W’s and stats, Alex and I would choose W’s every time. Alex did not suggest that he is a better QB than Cam as the article and most commenters are suggesting, only that the systems and situations called for different styles of QBing. But it sure does make for overblown journalism and good reason for chest thumbing by super fans to pretend that he did make those claims…

  88. briank1ne says: May 29, 2012 9:49 AM

    I see Alex smith throwing for less yardage than Aaron rodgers in week 1 and still winning the game. Just sayin…

  89. mrseaballs says: May 29, 2012 10:50 AM

    I don’t think Smith was trying to insult anybody at all. It’s to bad players at that level need to be so careful when they speak. But they do. There’s a media person sneaking around trying to catch you saying something they can twist 24/7.

  90. inallsincerity says: May 29, 2012 1:10 PM

    Alex should compare his second season (first as a starter) to Cam’s rookie year. Numbers don’t lie…

  91. whatswiththehate says: May 29, 2012 2:09 PM

    Not only is the sports media making way to much out of this Alex and Cam story but even worst is when Skip Bayless desparately tries to find some way of comparing Cam to Tim Tebow. I will officially say that our media have jumped the shark as far as objective and fair journalism when it comes to what they feed us.

    Tim showing up 5 minutes before the end of a game and gets the praise for every win, isn’t the same as a young rookie carrying his team without any OTA or pre-season work-out for 55 minutes.

    Cam exerts his energy for 55 minutes to help his team as much as he can. Tim over-exerts his defense and offense so they can keep down the score until he feels like showing up 5 minutes before the end of the game.

  92. stealthjunk says: May 29, 2012 2:23 PM

    Who cares how many yards Newton threw for when his team was behind “between nine and 16 points”? Why the heck was 9-16 points chosen as the relevant statistic? That’s just number manipulation at its finest right there.

  93. regulator01 says: May 29, 2012 3:05 PM

    alot has been made about the panthers won lost record as it relate to cams stats. jon beason is more important to panthers number of wins than cam is,beason gives the defense a nasty streak, he went down in week one the d never found a leader to replace him

  94. nochiefsonlyindians says: May 30, 2012 3:22 AM

    At least most of us have a clue about the context of Smitty’s statements….

    Alex haters….. Alex Smith is a better QB than ALL of you. So until you beat him in a real football game, go back to waxing your own genitalia. Don’t let some feeble reply dribble off of your lip. Show some proof with pictures and video… proof you are better….

    (crickets…chirp… chirp…)

  95. birwin2537 says: May 30, 2012 9:26 PM

    That’s why the 49ers considered picking up Peyton Manning, but the Panhers are happy with Cam, right?

  96. benchwarmer69 says: Jun 2, 2012 3:48 PM

    Cam is a selfish egomaniac. And as pitiful as Alex’s career has been, he’s right about this.

    Same thing with the Bucs too, they received a TON of prevent towards the end of games, which in turn, allowed them to throw under all day, thus, boosting Freeman’s stats a bit.

    There is an ebb and flow to the game. Some guys like Vick and Cam will never understand the idea that it’s a team sport.

    It’s also why guys like Dilfer (of all people) have a superbowl ring. It’s also why P.Manning (for all his worth) will never be as good as his brother after it’s all said and done. And it’s also why Alex did well last season.

    There are other people out there that can help the QB. It’s not all about him.

  97. fsf7 says: Jun 4, 2012 1:20 PM

    rickdawg52 says:May 28, 2012 5:38 PM

    when the steelers won the Super Bowl in 05, Big Ben threw for 2,300 yds and 17 TDs….so i said Mr. Smith is dead on
    —————
    Ben missed 4 regular season games to injury and had 803 yards, 7 TDs (+2 rushing), 3 INTs. B.R. was huge in the 2005 playoffs.
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    ninergold says:May 28, 2012 3:56 PM

    Hey America how about these numbers San Francisco 5 Super Bowl wins! carolina panthers absolute zero super bowl wins!
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    This is relevant to Newton vs. Smith in what way?
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    jibanez0810 says:May 28, 2012 2:32 PM
    “At the end of the day the only numbers that matter are wins. Ask Dan Marino.”

    What was the biggest difference between Marino and Elway?

    When Mike Shanahan and Jimmy Johnson took over the Broncos and Dolphins in 95/96 respectively – Elway bought 100% into Shanahan’s philosophy of an offense that saw the run being used to set up the pass. Marino fought Johnson on it (despite the success Aikman had with it). It’s not about statistics, it’s about efficiency and making plays when called on.

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    axespray says:May 29, 2012 6:53 AM

    Dan Marino won a lot of games buddy… just happened to be on a lot of teams that weren’t anywhere near as loaded as the 2011 49ers or the ’70s steelers.

    If Alex Smith & Terry Bradshaw played on some of those Dolphin’s teams, they’re out of the league faster than Brian Brohm.

    Don’t kid yourself. Bradshaw played in a completely different era with a completely different set of rules. But Bradshaw was the difference in winning 3 Super Bowls – particular in 78 and 79 when the Steelers Defense was beaten in the SB and Franco couldn’t run – Bradshaw stepped it up then. Marino played on some great Dolphins teams (reaching 3 AFCCGs) but he was very stubborn, refusing to run the ball. In the end, that is what kept Miami behind Buffalo and Marino from a ring.

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