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Tomlin is a “win-at-all-costs” guy

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In early 2007, as the Steelers were looking to replace Bill Cowher, I was a huge proponent of Mike Tomlin.  Hidden for years in Tampa because the organization refused to allow position coaches under contract to interview for coordinator jobs, Tomlin proved in one season as Minnesota’s defensive coordinator that he was ready to be great head coach.

And he has been, even if the Rooneys nearly hired Russ Grimm instead.

Per Peter King’s Monday Morning Quarterback, Tomlin was inducted earlier this month into the Hall of Fame at William & Mary, where he started at receiver for three years.  And Tomlin gave a rather eye-opening glimpse into his mindset.

“One of the reasons I work in the National Football League — I’m tired of the NCAA rules,” he said.  “I am a win-at-all-costs kind of guy.  The NFL is just right for me, although I am not a bounty guy in any form or fashion.  Any form or fashion. . . .  What you’ve got to understand about the Pittsburgh Steelers is . . . I ain’t got to offer them anything.  Guys like James Harrison — they’ll do it for nothing.  The men I work with, I’m a blessed person.”

The easy message is that Tomlin has renounced paying defensive players to wreak havoc.  The more subtle message is that Tomlin wants guys who’ll wreak havoc without an extra cash incentive.

“I’m tired of the NCAA rules.”  It’s also clear that he’s tired of the NFL rules.  Every gripe and complaint and piss and moan from Steelers players regarding the league’s rules for hitting offensive players naturally traces to the coaching staff — and ultimately to Tomlin.  Last year, for example, safety Ryan Clark was celebrated in the film room for a hit that got him fined $40,000 by the league office.

The dynamic culminated in the powers-that-be on Park Avenue talking to Tomlin and owner Art Rooney, presumably about the trickle-down effect of the things the coaches say to players behind closed doors.  As the NFL tries to make the game safer, Tomlin needs to realize that his “win-at-all-costs” mindset needs to be tempered by a genuine respect for whatever rules may apply.

Especially when those rules are aimed at allowing the men he works with to be blessed with long, healthy lives.

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  1. vikingamericann says: May 28, 2012 10:35 AM

    Tomlin motivates players with fear. If they don’t try to injury the other teams players they have to spend 10 minutes locked in a small bathroom with Big Ben and little Ben.

  2. johntonioholmes says: May 28, 2012 10:43 AM

    “It’s also clear that he’s tired of the NFL rules. Every gripe and complaint and piss and moan from Steelers players regarding the league’s rules for hitting offensive players naturally traces to the coaching staff — and ultimately to Tomlin.”

    Considering that Lewis made an illegal tackle earlier in that game–with no flag–Tomlin is right to complain.

    It’s not the rules; it’s the inconsistency in the application.

  3. joshuavkidd says: May 28, 2012 10:50 AM

    Speaking of every gripe and complaint… how about all you whining reporters who insist the game is too violent and needs to be watered down to the point of an intramural league? Leave the game to those of us who enjoy it and stop ruining the sport the rest of us love. Soccer and golf are always looking for new viewers.

  4. raiderinva says: May 28, 2012 11:02 AM

    The Rooney’s have set the standard for hiring and retaining coaches in the NFL. Mike Tomlin is only the third head coach since 1969. (Chuck Noll 1969-1991/Bill Cowher 1992-2006/Mike Tomlin 2007-present time)

    Russ Grimm or Ken Whisenhunt, neither one had a hope in becoming the next Steeler staple of an example at head coach for at least a decade to come. Tomlin was hired at the peak of the “Rooney Rule” campaign, and they had to practice what they preached.

    This Steeler team that is now old and experiencing a youth movement was Bill Cowher’s team. You know the team that beat Whisenhunt and the Cardinals and lost to Green Bay. Tomlin’s first player change was Mendenhall, and the additions after that have not really panned out. (yes Mike Wallace has) We are about to see what Mr. Win At All Costs is really made of.

  5. therealbleedcoltsblue says: May 28, 2012 11:04 AM

    Mike Tomlin: “The NFL is just right for me although I am not a bounty guy in any form or fashion. ”

    Does this sound like a quote from a guy who has a problem with NFL rules?

    #youmakethecall

  6. bigbadal21 says: May 28, 2012 11:06 AM

    Ryan Clarks hit was within the rules and should not have been fined. Tomlin had the balls to publicly question the fine after it was announced. Like the previous poster said it is the inconsistency that is disliked.

  7. rubberinnertube says: May 28, 2012 11:07 AM

    I will NEVER forgive the Wilfs for letting Tomlin leave while extending Childress. That alone probably set the franchise back 5 years…

  8. kattykathy says: May 28, 2012 11:07 AM

    well well well

    So Tomlin is a “win at all costs” kind of guy, but not a “bounty” guy in any form or fashion.
    Another nimwit making bounty references when they have nothing to back up their words.

    Yet he is the type of guy who will keep a lowlife like Ben on the team if it helps him “win at all costs”, but he aint no “bounty” guy

    He will keep a guy that continually takes head shots against opposing players on the team , but no no no, he’s not a “bounty” guy whatsoever

    That clown just demostrated that he has zero credibility. And for the record, there has been ZERO proof of a bounty system. ZERO evidence offered. but there have been MULTIPLE strong denials and multiple people that have accused Goodell of lying, fabricating, and making up evidence.

    I don’t like the rules.
    I keep players like Ben on my team.
    I keep players like Harrison on my team.
    But I am not a “bounty” person.

    No class, and even less credibility.

  9. 84sgl says: May 28, 2012 11:18 AM

    Tomlin didn’t say not a single word about being tired of the NFL rules in that speech. You said that Florio. To me it sounds like he is very happy where he is so why are you stirring the pot?

    Tomlin constantly denounces negative things said about the league rules by his players. He never complains to the media about officials. When he had a legitimate issue, he went to league offices and they straightened everything out. There was never a complaint on his part.

  10. themonster49 says: May 28, 2012 11:19 AM

    “I ain’t got to offer them anything.  Guys like James Harrison — they’ll do it for nothing.”

    Nope nope nope. That wasnt a lie I dont think, I think James Harrison actually goes out there intending to injure people, and I used to think Tomlin supported it, now I know he does.

  11. backindasaddle says: May 28, 2012 11:37 AM

    Football is a physical game. As such, physicality will always be intrinsically woven into the fabric of the game. It can not be eradicated. Physical means means tackling, it mean collisions, it means grabbing, ripping, pulling, pushing and hitting with brutal physical violence. It’s all a part of what football is at it’s very essence and it simply can not be taken out of it. The key is too eliminate the intensionally dirty stuff like DBs coming in helmut first like a guided missile and killing unprotected receivers/TEs. Perfect example of what should not be allowed was the hit Brandon Merriweather put on Todd Heap a few years ago where he nearly killed him with a helmut first/guided missile shot to the head. THAT should not be allowed and needs to be heavily penalized. Aside from the obvious intensionally dirty stuff like that…. don’t over officiate/penalize because they’re going to be removing some of the very essence of what football is. Physical violence is a part of the game that can not be removed. We can’t let the lawyers turn the sport into one big fat “liability” and ruin the whole damned thing for everybody.

  12. preston0036 says: May 28, 2012 11:45 AM

    i LOVE being a Steelers fan!!! so much Hate and Jealousy oh and Envy You Jagoffs could have Picked the Steelers as tour Team but tou made tour Choice lol talk Crazy ,hate us all you want but YOU WISH YIUR TEAMS WERE ON OUR LEVEL.HERE WE GO STEELERS

  13. thegreatgabbert says: May 28, 2012 11:48 AM

    Tomlin wreaks havoc on the English language. William & Mary must turn over in their graves when he goes into his nonsensical, disjointed, verbal meanderings.

  14. schmitty2 says: May 28, 2012 11:59 AM

    preston0036 says:
    May 28, 2012 11:45 AM
    i LOVE being a Steelers fan!!! so much Hate and Jealousy oh and Envy You Jagoffs could have Picked the Steelers as tour Team but tou made tour Choice lol talk Crazy ,hate us all you want but YOU WISH YIUR TEAMS WERE ON OUR LEVEL.HERE WE GO STEELERS

    Yes, we are so envious of Steeler fan’s especially ones that can’t spell or put a proper sentence together. You must be related to 7thlombardi and stairwayto7

  15. jimmysee says: May 28, 2012 12:17 PM

    “Win- at-all-costs” is what got the ‘Aints in trouble.

  16. kattykathy says: May 28, 2012 12:17 PM

    preston0036 says:
    May 28, 2012 11:45 AM
    i LOVE being a Steelers fan!!! so much Hate and Jealousy oh and Envy You Jagoffs could have Picked the Steelers as tour Team but tou made tour Choice lol talk Crazy ,hate us all you want but YOU WISH YIUR TEAMS WERE ON OUR LEVEL.HERE WE GO STEELERS

    ***************************************

    I love it when Steeler fans like above show the world their education level with their outstanding spelling and punctuation skills

  17. mclovinib says: May 28, 2012 12:28 PM

    steelers blow

  18. joetoronto says: May 28, 2012 12:38 PM

    Now the Steelers actually NEED good coaching, we’ll see how he does.

  19. steelersmichele says: May 28, 2012 12:46 PM

    The thing with tomlin is that he owns up to his decisions and he never blames the refs or the other team if he loses. His mentality is if one guy can’t play, another guy steps up to take his place and better play just as well. No excuses. And his press conferences are honest. He never gives the press one word, starky answers.

  20. cage12 says: May 28, 2012 1:07 PM

    We are the best organization in all of sports. We have the best front office the best coach the nicest uniforms in the league. one of the largest fan base in the world. The most Lombardi trophies, 8 superbowl appearances. No wonder all you guys hate us!

  21. CKL says: May 28, 2012 1:11 PM

    thegreatgabbert says: May 28, 2012 11:48 AM

    Tomlin wreaks havoc on the English language. William & Mary must turn over in their graves when he goes into his nonsensical, disjointed, verbal meanderings.
    _______________________________
    Truer words have never been spoken. I cannot STAND listening to him. He never uses one word when twenty overly flowery ones in bizarre sentence constructs will do. Look, Tomlin, we realize you are not a dumb man…quit trying to “prove it” with that butchery of language.

  22. mark0226 says: May 28, 2012 1:21 PM

    Win-at-all-costs, and he is blessed to have guys that will injure people for free.

  23. thetooloftools says: May 28, 2012 1:25 PM

    I’m not a Steelers fan, but I Love the way they do not need any motivation to go out on that field and play tough physical ball. Once in a while someone takes a “big hit” (Colt McCoy got KTFO and they never got a flag)… it’s part of the game.
    If people don’t want to play football they can always go flop around on a soccer field like they’ve been shot,until a ref pulls out a little card, and then stay in the game.

  24. latopia says: May 28, 2012 1:44 PM

    “I’m tired of the NCAA rules.” At last count, the D1 rule book was 434 pages long. Faster than Nytol, Nyquil or warm milk.

  25. monctonvike says: May 28, 2012 1:54 PM

    Its Football, and hits are a huge part of the game. If you play football then either you tackle people or a very large angry man is going to try and tackle you. Most times he will try to do it as hard as possible and it might hurt allot. You might get hurt sometimes allot.

    If I am blessed to live until elderly age I think the nfl might be two hand touch by then.

  26. mdavid36 says: May 28, 2012 1:55 PM

    Of course Florio includes how he always knew Mike Tomlin was a great coach….

  27. Deb says: May 28, 2012 1:59 PM

    @kattykathy …

    Why wouldn’t Tomlin keep Harrison and Roethlisberger on his team? One is a former Defensive Player of the Year and the other is a two-time Super Bowl-winning quarterback. Neither has done anything that would warrant removing them from the team. I’m tired of rival fans ranting about players’ off-field issues when, in Roethlisberger’s case, that consisted of false accusations evidence demonstrated were false. The man has never even been arrested–while you have convicted felons on your team. And it’s difficult to take you seriously when you slam another commenter on his punctuation skills after starting your own post with “well well well,” which omitted punctuation entirely.

    As for Tomlin, he’s a brilliant coach who does work within the rules. The issue he has–that many of us have–is the NFL keeps flagging and fining legal plays … sometimes … but not other times. The inconsistency of the league is the problem, not the ferocity of its defenses when they play within the NFL’s own guidelines.

  28. flyeredup says: May 28, 2012 2:02 PM

    Most overrated coach in NFL. His coordinators coach while he makes faces on the sidelines. They dont even run his 4-3 defense. Figurehead, that he is.

  29. londonbengal says: May 28, 2012 2:05 PM

    It has to be slightly worrying in this day and age when an NFL head coach says he wants to win “at ALL costs”…..

    Does that include deliberately injuring opponents coach ?

    We know and accept that NFL teams and their coaches are ultra-competetive, but to “win at ALL costs”……

    That sounds like something Gregg Williams would say……

  30. bray72 says: May 28, 2012 2:13 PM

    Florio, what drivel!!

    There is NO story here. And you know Tomlin is one of the most respected coaches in the league – by friend and foe alike. And that’s because he has one of the great character reputations in the league.

    Your silly inuendos trying to create a NON story, is sickning. If you this type of journalistic non-integrety in the legal profession, good chance of your eventually being disbarred. But a political career might fit you well!
    Bet you don’t allow this post through!!!

  31. Deb says: May 28, 2012 2:43 PM

    flyeredup says:

    Most overrated coach in NFL. His coordinators coach while he makes faces on the sidelines. They dont even run his 4-3 defense. Figurehead, that he is.
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    How did you get in here? When Tomlin was hired, the Steelers had the personnel in place to run a 3-4–and not just any personnel, but Pro Bowl personnel. So why would he turn around and order LeBeau to start running the 4-3? That would make him stupid and he’s not a stupid men. But the Harrison runback in SBXLIII that resulted in a 14-point swing in that game? The scoring drive following the INT on that play was a direct result of specific coaching Tomlin gave the defense in the week leading up to that game. And great as he is, LeBeau hasn’t been able to beat the Pats because he refused to make adjustments to the defense. What changed this year? Tomlin put his stamp on that game.

    Just because a guy ran the 4-3 in his previous job doesn’t mean he should come in and try to force 3-4 players into a 4-3 scheme. Sometimes being the right man means being smart enough to work with what he’s got. As for what he does on the sidelines … what do the other HCs do on the sidelines during games? Crack whips? Turn cartwheels? Except for the few who call offensive plays, they do exactly what Tomlin does.

  32. raiders757 says: May 28, 2012 3:00 PM

    joshuavkidd says: May 28, 2012 10:50 AM

    Speaking of every gripe and complaint… how about all you whining reporters who insist the game is too violent and needs to be watered down to the point of an intramural league? Leave the game to those of us who enjoy it and stop ruining the sport the rest of us love. Soccer and golf are always looking for new viewers.
    —————————————

    Well said!! I’m tired of all these PC soft shells coming out of the wood work crying about the game being too rough, and the media sensationalizing it doesn’t help either. The players know what they’re getting into when they sign on the dotted line and the fans at home know what their getting when they turn on the game. If you don’t like it, go find another sport to ruin.

  33. bullcharger says: May 28, 2012 3:00 PM

    Tomlin is one of the top 5 coaches in the NFL. He didn’t say anything wrong here at all. Stop the witch hunt.

  34. footballisking says: May 28, 2012 3:24 PM

    So you actually believe that there is a single coach in the nfl that doesnt have a “win at all costs” mentality..considering how their is 100% dependent on winning…and tomlin doesnt pushing the envelope of breaking the rules there clearly is no story here…but any1 with a brain knows that the goal of this post wasnt to enlighten us with a story it was to try and stir the pot and generate clicks..keep selling your soul Florio

  35. flyeredup says: May 28, 2012 4:04 PM

    Tebow exposed Figurehead Tomlin. 6-10 this year for the Squealers. Whats Ike Taylor been up to?

  36. flyeredup says: May 28, 2012 4:08 PM

    Figurehead Tomlin won with Cowhers players. McCarthy exposed him in the Super Bowl as well. Squealers are in a free fall! Teeeeeeebow!

  37. joewilliesshnoz says: May 28, 2012 4:33 PM

    Tomlin doesn’t coach as well as his coordinators do on game day .

  38. holeinone09 says: May 28, 2012 4:47 PM

    I had some questions when Tomlin was hired, since we have been blessed with coaches like Noll and Cowher. But Tomlin convinced me he is a wonderful match for the Steelers organization. He has a winning attitude, is not afraid to speak his peace in the right way and motivates his players appropriately. He is a straight talking no-nonsense type of guy.

    For those haters and fans of other teams that don’t like Tomlin, Ben or the Steelers organization, you should be happy since they are not your favorite team. Frankly I don’t understand why you waste your valuable time following and posting on every Steeler story, must be some type of uncontrollable obsession you all have. As a Steeler fan FOREVER, I am quite happy with our team, the entertainment they have given me for over 50 years, and I expect I will get many more years of fun competitive Steeler football.

    GO STEELERS!!

  39. holeinone09 says: May 28, 2012 4:53 PM

    flyeredup, you must be an Eagles fan. What has your team done? What? When was the last time they won the Super Bowl, or even the NFC Championship? Last year your dream team was pathetic and one of the biggest diappointments in the NFL considering the preseason hype. Eagles management has a hate-hate relationship with their players, such as letting Dawkins who was the heart and soul of the team go because they were too cheap to pay him. And he wasn’t the first. Andy Reid never says anything at a press conference of value, and his “we have to do a better job” is so old and stale it makes people sick. Give me Tomlin over Reid any day of the week. Andy is too busy running for the buffet line to be a great head coach. If he doesn’t win it all this year, he will likely be gone. He had a great year with Jackson last year, now didn’t ne, and they still didn’t give him a decent contract. Give me a break with your comments about Tomlin.

  40. johntonioholmes says: May 28, 2012 4:57 PM

    CKL

    How funny that you would complain about Tomlin’s curious language choices and then use a phrase like, “butchery of language.”

    While technically an okay phrase, it’s awkward. If you really cared about clarity, you would have just said, “stop butchering the English language.”

    Instead, you made “butcher” passive by turning it into “butchery.”

    As any good writing instructor would, “Write in the active voice.”

    Basically, I’m saying you have no right to complain about Tomlin’s choice of words when you need help yourself.

  41. aj4569 says: May 28, 2012 4:59 PM

    All of you people that hate the Steelers are mad because they always beat your team. And the reason they lost to the Broncos was because they were putting everybody up at the line to stop Tebow from running the ball. And all you haters are just saying things because your team sucks ass.

  42. Bubby Brister says: May 28, 2012 5:02 PM

    “Tomlin’s first player change was Mendenhall, and the additions after that have not really panned out. (yes Mike Wallace has) We are about to see what Mr. Win At All Costs is really made of.”

    Never mind Antonio Brown (not to mention the rest of one of the best groups of WRs in the league), the great depth at RB, Lawrence Timmons, LaMarr Woodley, Pouncey, giving Ben the reigns to the offense after being shackled as a game manager on Cowher teams, a special teams that has gone from horrific to exceptional in his time here and giving James Harrison a chance to start after Cowher let him rot on the bench for 5 years and cut him twice. The only areas that have regressed are the O and D lines… and it’s looking good to be able to say those have been rebuilt through the draft over the past 3 years.

    Other than that, you know, totally living off of Cowher’s shine.

  43. rajbais says: May 28, 2012 5:03 PM

    I wish that was the case because it’s a damn shame that he had to fire Bruce Arians!!!

    Arians is the most underappreciated Coordinator in the NFL and we will now see the offense underachieve soon (relatively speaking) because Todd Haley was just lucky to have elite talent everywhere he was a passing game coordinator!!!

    Haley’s talent as a passing game coordinator:

    Dallas: Terrell Owens, Terry Glenn, Jason Witten.

    Arizona: Larry Fitzgerald, and Anquan Boldin, Steve Breaston.

    In Kansas City Dwayne Bowe showed that he was a good player, but there were not enough weapons for Kansas City to have a high-octane passing game. Haley got Charlie Weis run out of town and the offense sputtered!!!

  44. stairwayto7 says: May 28, 2012 5:04 PM

    Harrison hit on McCoy last year was…AWESOME!

  45. jh4prez says: May 28, 2012 6:28 PM

    Mikes a great coach.99% of you tools would kill to have him on your teams sideline.

  46. jh4prez says: May 28, 2012 6:29 PM

    Well the smart ones anyway.

  47. clintonportisheadd says: May 28, 2012 7:06 PM

    aj4569 says:
    All of you people that hate the Steelers are mad because they always beat your team.

    ———————–

    They don’t beat mine (Packers).

    What I don’t get is how the words “class” and “respect” seem to be trotted out when Art Rooney is mentioned YET his organization is constantly the place where behaviors both illegal and unethical are condoned. Not only do they have more cheap shot artists on the roster than any team in the league (and thats AFTER Hines Ward retired), they also still carry the stench from the rampant use of steroids during their so-called “Golden Era”. How does he get a pass?

    As far as Tomlin goes, he appears to be a rather unfriendly, angry, and limited person. The “us against the world” tactics he use to motivate his team seem hit and miss at best. He’s due for a fall very soon and I don’t see too many people losing any sleep over it.

  48. bray72 says: May 28, 2012 8:47 PM

    @clintonportisheadd says:
    May 28, 2012 7:06 PM

    What is your problem? The Pack and the Steelers are perhaps two of the most respected franchises in the league. I haven’t seen and Steeler trash talk re: the Pack.

    The comments about illegal behavior is unsupportable. Unethical, all teams have some of that including the Pack. Steelers have less than most.

    And just to be reasonable about championships, most of the Pack’s were in a 12 or less team league with only one playoff game. Try catching up ot the Steelers, in a 32 team league and potentially 4 playoff games to wade through. Not quite so easy.

    But, you have a great window of opportunity to make some more progress. I hope you do! Perhaps we’ll meet again. I hope so.

  49. ravenator says: May 28, 2012 9:24 PM

    Win at all costs, unless of course you’re playing the Jets backup QB

  50. mmmpierogi says: May 28, 2012 11:40 PM

    kattykathy says: May 28, 2012 11:07 AM

    well well well

    So Tomlin is a “win at all costs” kind of guy, but not a “bounty” guy in any form or fashion.
    Another nimwit making bounty references when they have nothing to back up their words.

    Yet he is the type of guy who will keep a lowlife like Ben on the team if it helps him “win at all costs”, but he aint no “bounty” guy

    He will keep a guy that continually takes head shots against opposing players on the team , but no no no, he’s not a “bounty” guy whatsoever

    That clown just demostrated that he has zero credibility. And for the record, there has been ZERO proof of a bounty system. ZERO evidence offered. but there have been MULTIPLE strong denials and multiple people that have accused Goodell of lying, fabricating, and making up evidence.

    I don’t like the rules.
    I keep players like Ben on my team.
    I keep players like Harrison on my team.
    But I am not a “bounty” person.

    No class, and even less credibility.

    **********************************************************

    So, let’s get this straight — you’ll whine about the Saints bounty thing, and you’ll call out Roethlisberger and Harrison, but then in response to the article regarding the legal troubles associated with the Lions players, you’ll chalk up arrests and convictions against players on that team over the past half year to them being “immature punks.” If I didn’t have actual work to do, I’d pick this apart more, but the sheer hypocrisy is laughable.

    Don’t forget that part of what has gotten the Lions their recent garbage rep entails the on-the-field incidents associated with Ndamukong Suh (e.g., stomping guys out in the middle of nationally televised games). But you’ll call out James Harrison purportedly for being dirty (as one would infer from your head shot claim)? And you talk about others losing credibility?

  51. enoughofthatalready says: May 29, 2012 12:52 PM

    LOL. A Ravens fan talking about a backup Jet QB beating the Steelers who were playing without 4 defensive starters and 3 offensive starters in the 2nd Half. Good one. How is your kicker doing? Wah Wah it was the scoreboard’s fault. Wah Wah.

  52. enoughofthatalready says: May 29, 2012 12:56 PM

    Anyway……Tomlin is an overrated coach but he should be given credit for drafing Lamar Woodley, Mike Wallace, Antonio Brown and Maurkice Pouncey. Plus Ziggy Hood, Cameron Heyward and DeCastro will be forces on the line. Besides NO OTHER TEAM in the modern NFL has won 12 games in 3 out of 4 seasons. I guess he is doing something right.

  53. Deb says: May 29, 2012 3:07 PM

    @enoughofthatalready …

    When you put it that way … Tomlin doesn’t seem to be overrated, does he?

  54. sudz28 says: May 30, 2012 6:48 AM

    I’m not sure who’s the more pathetic jealous fan of another team here… ravenator or kattykathy! Both reek of I-wish-I could-be-a-Steeler-fan-itis. Sorry kids, the pool is full.

  55. psychosteeler says: Jun 14, 2012 2:26 PM

    sorry but lebeau has beaten the packers and patriots before.halloween massacre 2004 anyone,steelers 21 patriots 0 834 to go 1st qtr?yeah lebeau beat em before oh and also in 2008 and 2011.and the 2008 game vs gb when ben threw for 500.

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