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Salguero: Great teams steer clear of Hard Knocks

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Our unofficial Dolphins correspondent, Armando Salguero of the Miami Herald, joined PFT Live on Wednesday to discuss the team’s decision to appear on this year’s version of Hard Knocks.

And Armando twice made a fairly important point.

The truly great NFL franchises — the Giants, Steelers, Packers, and Patriots — would never do Hard Knocks.  Ever.

(Feel free to disagree in the comments with the perception that the Giants, Steelers, Packers, and Patriots are the league’s truly great franchises.)

Indeed, no team that has appeared on Hard Knocks has ever made it to the Super Bowl that same year.  The last two franchises that were featured on the series — the Bengals in 2009 and the Jets in 2010 — qualified for the postseason, with the Bengals losing to the Jets in the wild-card round in 2009 and the Jets making it to the AFC title game in 2010.

For more from Armando regarding the Dolphins’ decision to become the darlings of Hard Knocks in 2012, check out the segment from our weekday reality show.

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37 Responses to “Salguero: Great teams steer clear of Hard Knocks”
  1. thegreatgabbert says: May 30, 2012 10:17 PM

    She has that “Sure, he’s a doofus, but at least he’ll be a very rich one soon” look on her face.

  2. Chris Fiorentino says: May 30, 2012 10:21 PM

    I think a team that has had many legends, like Staubach, Dorsett, Irvin, Aikman, Emmitt, etc, etc…oh and 5 rings…should be considered one of the “Truly Great franchises”. But what do I know…I don’t write for the Miami Herald. LOL.

  3. zimaman says: May 30, 2012 10:22 PM

    And that’s why the Dolphin claiming it was a football decision is a crock of pooh pooh

    If it was a football decision it was a real bad one

    New 1st year coach being followed around by HBO. distraction?

    Ross u might be a rich man but this real dumb.

    Coughlin, Tomlin and Belichick it would never happen.

  4. bchapman2011 says: May 30, 2012 10:23 PM

    “Indeed, no team that has appeared on Hard Knocks has ever made it to the Super Bowl that same year”
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    Most intelligent Dolphin fans know that Miami is not going to the Super Bowl this year. This is about building for the future and the front office rebuilding their image and changing public perceptions. This kind of garbage is why I no longer read Salguero’s column. I think that Ozzie Newsome’s Ravens and Jerry Jones’ Cowboys are in the upper echelon of the NFL yet you failed to mention that they both signed up for Hard Knocks.

  5. rc33 says: May 30, 2012 10:39 PM

    A third of the Head Coaches in any given year are on (what amounts to) a one-year contract. Can’t afford to waste any portion of the season. Their jobs are hard to come by, they’d like to keep ‘em awhile and that requres winning now.
    If anything’s going on that might be a distraction…and Hard Knocks would qualify…their first and last instinct is “why bother?”

  6. The Buffer Zone says: May 30, 2012 10:40 PM

    The Ravens were the 1st to do Hard Knocks and they’ve been one of the best franchises on the field, in ownership, & in the draft room…

    Just sayin’…

  7. mataug says: May 30, 2012 10:41 PM

    Ozzie Newsome – Baltimore Ravens – enuf said!

  8. theguywhotoldtimtebowtoshutthefup says: May 30, 2012 10:44 PM

    The day Armando Salguero knows a thing or two about football, is the day I might care about what he has to say.
    A lot like PFT, he breaks the news, & knows little else.

  9. juliusleazer says: May 30, 2012 10:50 PM

    The concept that this isn’t a “football decision” in any respect is flawed: it’s a long-term football decision. By doing Hard Knocks Miami takes an unknown coaching staff, gives them a personality and a reason for players on all teams to want to play for that coach/team/organization. If that isn’t a shrewd football move for a floundering franchise, then I don’t know what is.

  10. ghostofgilchrist says: May 30, 2012 10:52 PM

    From a coach’s perspective, it’s a needless distraction.
    From the owner’s perspective, it’s good exposure.
    From the NFL’s perspective, anything that helps the fans to feel like they know players as people is a good thing.

    Here’s an idea…the team that does Hard Knocks gets tossed a few extra camp or OTA days by the league.

  11. vincentbojackson says: May 30, 2012 10:56 PM

    Chris Fiorentino says:

    I think a team that has had many legends, like Staubach, Dorsett, Irvin, Aikman, Emmitt, etc, etc…oh and 5 rings…should be considered one of the “Truly Great franchises”. But what do I know…I don’t write for the Miami Herald. LOL.

    ——————-

    And they’ve been in the toilet ever since they appeared on Hard Knocks. Kinda proves the authors point don’t you think?

  12. vincentbojackson says: May 30, 2012 11:03 PM

    Raven fan wants to be mentioned with the big boys but they weren’t even in existence before 1995.

    Gotta fill the trophy case before you get asked to sit at the table with the adults.

  13. greedleague says: May 30, 2012 11:07 PM

    If Salguero is your unofficial Dolphins correspondent then this site just lost a lot of credibility in my eyes. Think Joe Theisman without the intelligence.

  14. themonster49 says: May 30, 2012 11:09 PM

    Florio,

    Have you not noticed it yet? I know it’s only 3 years, so it’s kind of hard to really say with any certainty, but:

    First the Bengals did Hard Knocks- They lose to the Jets to end their season

    Then the Jets did Hard Knocks – They lose to the Dolphins to end their season.

    Now the Dolphins are doing Hard Knocks.

  15. randyextry says: May 30, 2012 11:10 PM

    The Patriots didn’t do Hard Knocks, but they did Bill Belichick – A Football Life, which was basically Hard Knocks with another name. Same idea, same access, different network.

  16. arrghmakeitstop says: May 30, 2012 11:32 PM

    “The last two franchises that were featured on the series — the Bengals in 2009 and the Jets in 2010 — qualified for the postseason, with the Bengals losing to the Jets in the wild-card round in 2009 and the Jets making it to the AFC title game in 2010.”

    As a fins fan, I’d be popping the champagne if they accomplished either of the results of either the ’09 Bengals or ’10 Jets…

  17. rodge1 says: May 30, 2012 11:33 PM

    theguywhotoldtimtebowtoshutthefup is correct, Salguero knows little about football.

  18. bullpuppy552 says: May 30, 2012 11:59 PM

    There’s no doubt in my mind that Dolphins owner Stephen Ross is the one who wanted this. He meddles way too much and is clueless when it comes to an NFL franchise.

  19. mikebrownistheworstownerinprosports says: May 31, 2012 12:05 AM

    The reason you do Hard Knocks is to get positive exposure to your team. Why would the Pats, Packers or Giants need that? They are overexposed as it is. Good franchises like the Ravens have done Hard Knocks, and the Bengals and Jets made the playoffs when they did Hard Knocks. Nothing wrong with doing the show.

  20. stampede101 says: May 31, 2012 12:40 AM

    You forgot to mention the San Francisco 49ers, Armando.

  21. saintsfan26 says: May 31, 2012 12:46 AM

    I reallyy dont consider the Giants to be a great franchise. The Giants have been the luckiest team ever. How can you go 9-7 and win the Superbowl twice? Alot of times 9-7 wont even get you in the playoffs. The Giants are so lucky they didnt have to play the Saints in the playoffs. The Saints have completely owned the Giants since 2006.

    2006: Saints 30 Giants 7
    2009: Saints 48 Giants 27
    2011: Saints 49 Giants 24

  22. spfripp says: May 31, 2012 12:59 AM

    LMAO, the one guy florio goes to to obtain information about the Dolphins is also a Dolphin hater…imagine that!

  23. jeff d. says: May 31, 2012 1:06 AM

    The Pats didn’t do Hard Knocks, but they gave open access to NFL Films to be around Bill.. So, why is that so different?

  24. piemasteruk says: May 31, 2012 1:08 AM

    I have no real idea how you got to that list of great franchises. Is it total number of Superbowls? If so where are the 49ers, Redskins and Cowboys? Is it teams that have won multiple Superbowls in recent years? If so what are the Packers doing there? Or if you’re including their 1997 win as ‘recent’ then why aren’t Denver there? Or maybe it’s something more vague like aggregate win/loss record in recent years. If so, then where are the Colts?

    Seems to me your definition of a great franchise is ‘one that has the kind of owner who wouldn’t consent to participate in Hard Knocks’ at which point your argument is obviously circular.

  25. mccudds says: May 31, 2012 2:14 AM

    @vbojackson ravens been in the league since 96 and been winning ever since but what it is really all about is playoff wins and Baltimore is consistently making it to, and winning playoff games something that can’t be said for your chargers who also play in a much weaker division than the ravens, we are feasting at the big boy table one day maybe charters might be able to join us

  26. ksm31311 says: May 31, 2012 3:30 AM

    vincentbojackson says:
    May 30, 2012 10:56 PM
    Chris Fiorentino says:

    I think a team that has had many legends, like Staubach, Dorsett, Irvin, Aikman, Emmitt, etc, etc…oh and 5 rings…should be considered one of the “Truly Great franchises”. But what do I know…I don’t write for the Miami Herald. LOL.

    ——————-

    And they’ve been in the toilet ever since they appeared on Hard Knocks. Kinda proves the authors point don’t you think?

    +++++++++++++++++++

    Bo knows the Cowgirls…

  27. petehemlock says: May 31, 2012 4:01 AM

    How long before Hard Knocks becomes the same thing over and over, just different uniforms? Next season? Last season?

  28. electionconfidential says: May 31, 2012 4:22 AM

    I like the show, but if I was a coach I wouldn’t let them into my training camp. Just a distraction. Oh, and when Philbin says the owner had nothing to do with the decision I think that’s nonsense… There is NO “football reason” to have HBO in your camp.

  29. gemini611 says: May 31, 2012 6:41 AM

    Any and every chance Armando has to bash the ‘Fins he does it. If the ‘Fins aren’t asked they aren’t “interesting”, if they are asked they aren’t “great”. He ALWAYS plays the other side. He is boring on the radio and worse to read.

  30. phillyfinsfan says: May 31, 2012 6:55 AM

    I guess nobody watched Bill Belichick, A Football Life.

  31. august1969 says: May 31, 2012 7:21 AM

    Chris Fiorentino says:May 30, 2012 10:21 PM

    I think a team that has had many legends, like Staubach, Dorsett, Irvin, Aikman, Emmitt, etc, etc…oh and 5 rings…should be considered one of the “Truly Great franchises”. But what do I know…I don’t write for the Miami Herald. LOL.

    I think they mean “currently” great teams.

  32. tomtravis76 says: May 31, 2012 8:03 AM

    Dumb decision, Ross and his goon Dee think this will help in ticket sales, but it is going to continue in making a mockery of a once proud franchise in the Dolphins.

    Just another dumb decision by Ross and his USFL style of ownership.

    You would have a better chance at moving sellouts if you had the Giants, Jets , Steelers or Pats play their other 8 games in Dolphin stadium.
    Almost 80k seat stadium and less than 3ok season ticket base…I would say your sales staff blows aswell.

  33. theralph2012 says: May 31, 2012 9:00 AM

    The only team that would benefit from doing Hard Knocks would be the Jags, to gain more fans across the country. Dolphin fans are always going to be the Pitbull, white collar, fair weather cake eaters that sit behind the bench at Heat games with their chardonnay glasses to pregame before hitting up Club Lava. That will never change. Stay Classy Miami.

  34. Steeley McBeam says: May 31, 2012 9:25 AM

    People dont remember who played in the Conference Championship games, they remember who played in the Super Bowl.

    If you want to be considered an elite franchise you certainly have to have won more than a single Super Bowl.

  35. CKL says: May 31, 2012 9:29 AM

    I doubt the Eagles would do it either. They’ve been a pretty consistently competitive team for a long time as well.

    RE: BB and A Football Life. HBO doing a show is for playing up all the drama/show biz. NFL Films is about letting the action speak for itself drama wise. BB is old school and doubtless trusts that type of access to football legends like the Sabols but to a drama factory like a premium movie channel? Not so much.

  36. nygdriveforfive says: May 31, 2012 9:53 AM

    Congrats Saints fan on your regular season wins over the Giants. I’m sure history will remeber those wins. The Giants are one the great franchises in the league. Your saints are from that. But enjoy your “dominance” over the Giants in the regular season @home. We are going to crush you this year when you leave your dome.

  37. jacobslatter says: May 31, 2012 10:02 AM

    The blond above was all the talk on Yahoo! with her photo, showing her skinny scrawny legs and feet in shorts & sandals. Like tanned twigs they is. This comment is appropriate for posting.

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