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St. Louis rejects Rams proposal for upgrading stadium

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In a move that will leave no one flabbergasted, shocked, perplexed, and/or needing an explanation, the St. Louis Convention and Visitors Commission has rejected the Rams’ proposal for sweeping upgrades to the Edward Jones Dome.

According to the St. Louis Post-Dispatch, the “no” came Friday morning.

Next, the two sides will take the matter to arbitration, if an agreement can’t be reached by June 15.  Ultimate failure to strike a deal on the effort to move the stadium into the “first tier” of all NFL venues will allow the Rams to relocate after the 2014 season.

The CVC proposed earlier this year upgrades that would cost $124 million, with the Rams sharing in the expenses.  The Rams’ counteroffer detailed no expenses and made no suggestion regarding whether the team would kick in any cash.

The CVC pegged the price of the Rams’ proposal at $700 million.

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69 Responses to “St. Louis rejects Rams proposal for upgrading stadium”
  1. medtxpack says: Jun 1, 2012 10:29 AM

    Hi! Im St Louis and im not interested in bringing positive change to my city….ever!
    Population is declining and has been, crime is up, St Louis better get its act together or the Rams are gone.

  2. jrock3x8 says: Jun 1, 2012 10:31 AM

    this is like welcome back kotter, nfl style…

    Oakland -> LA -> Oakland

    LA -> St Louis -> LA

  3. spartan822 says: Jun 1, 2012 10:34 AM

    I hope they can get something worked out. I don’t want to see the Rams go back to LA. Let them have the Chargers instead.

  4. kane337 says: Jun 1, 2012 10:36 AM

    Welcome back Los Angeles Rams

  5. suhnum1fan says: Jun 1, 2012 10:38 AM

    Good for St. Louis..Time for these cities to stop allowing crappy teams to hold them hostage

  6. rollteal says: Jun 1, 2012 10:40 AM

    Yes because clearly 700 Million was just a drop in the bucket. Especially when the team didn’t even get proper estimates on how much it would cost and also how much they would pitch in for stadium that’s not even 20 years old.

  7. sj39 says: Jun 1, 2012 10:41 AM

    All the Rams did was let the CVC know what it would take to bring the facility up to “top tier” status in 15 categories as defined it their lease. There is no way the CVC will do it and no way Kroenke is going to invest in a building that he does not own. It will allow him to change the lease to a yearly one after 2015. For all of you that think any team wants to move to LA especially under the current AEG proposal let me explain that Kroenke will probably exercise his right to go to a yearly lease and build his own facility right here in the St. Louis area. He collects sports franchises and turns them into winners. He does not sell majorities of them to other billionaire wanna-be-owners so they can move them to a city where NFL teams go to die.

  8. nolahxc says: Jun 1, 2012 10:47 AM

    As Hawk Harrelson would say, “They Gawn!”

  9. AlohaMrHand says: Jun 1, 2012 10:47 AM

    The Los Angeles Rams redux.

  10. briggsisbrokeagain says: Jun 1, 2012 10:50 AM

    So now where do the nomads of the NFL go?

  11. skolvikesskol says: Jun 1, 2012 10:50 AM

    Does Brandon Marshall need an apology? I couldn’t resist, I just trolled. But it won’t be worse than 100′s of stupid LA Rams comments…

    Sincerely,

    the MINNESOTA Vikings

  12. bigdawg24 says: Jun 1, 2012 10:52 AM

    St Louis is sure a fickle town.

    The “Greatest Show on Turf” seems like so long ago already.

  13. desertviking64 says: Jun 1, 2012 10:53 AM

    L.A. Rams has a better ring to it.

  14. lolb23 says: Jun 1, 2012 10:55 AM

    St. Louis is a baseball town anyways. LA or London will appreciate them more.

  15. desertviking64 says: Jun 1, 2012 10:55 AM

    As a Viking fan I just love that the monkey swam the Mississippi south to St. Louis.

  16. shackdelrio says: Jun 1, 2012 10:57 AM

    If they move, I wonder how Nelly will handle it.

  17. seatown12 says: Jun 1, 2012 10:58 AM

    That pic looks absolutely nothing like a football stadium. It looks like an Arena.

  18. gdive says: Jun 1, 2012 10:58 AM

    As crazy as this sounds they’re only $576MM apart which is half the cost of a new stadium. If Stan is willing to kick in whatever in his mattress right now, STL and the Rams can probably work this out if Stan wants to keep the Rams in STL.

  19. lolb23 says: Jun 1, 2012 10:59 AM

    Why would anyone spend 700 million dollars on a team who hasn’t has a winning season on over a decade?

    Do the Washington Generals get a new stadium too?

  20. dirtysouthironmen says: Jun 1, 2012 10:59 AM

    I am not even a Rams fan yet I don’t need to see the troll LA Rams posts….oh wait, too late.

  21. wtfru2 says: Jun 1, 2012 11:02 AM

    The Vikings led the way and now the NFL goes to work on the Rams. With the threat of LA all the cities that need upgrades will get them…..

  22. mizzouram says: Jun 1, 2012 11:08 AM

    Now the real negotiations can start.

  23. ihnen0840 says: Jun 1, 2012 11:10 AM

    Coming from a Vikings fan, I feel for the Rams fans…

  24. trollhammer20 says: Jun 1, 2012 11:26 AM

    OK, so no one was flabbergasted, shocked, perplexed, and/or needing an explanation.

    Will they be evaluating, pursuing, or flirting with other options?

  25. beavertonsteve says: Jun 1, 2012 11:29 AM

    The formula for keeping the Rams is St Louis is somewhere around – St Louis 300m – NFL Stadium Loan 150m – Stan K 75m or under.

    People may not like it, but that’s the owner kicking in money he’s not even required to by the current lease agreement. Don’t think he’d have to fork over a bunch of money to move the team. Even relocation fees would be picked up by the new city.

  26. purpleguy says: Jun 1, 2012 11:29 AM

    Hang in their Rams fans. As a fan that has been through this process, here’s what you can expect: (1) team proposes stadium/stadium upgrades; (2) politicians fiddle-fart around for a couple years; (3) the anti-stadium/anti-tax crowd blusters against public subsidies for rich dudes; (4) fans rally for the stadium; (5) multiple options are proposed, rejected and re-proposed; (6) fans, Florio and eventually the commish observe the threat to move; (7) much hand-wrining and consternation ensues until everyone is sick of the issue; and (8) the stadium gets upgraded/built and attention returns to San Diego, Jacksonville and Oakland.

  27. truths4all says: Jun 1, 2012 11:43 AM

    Looks like St Louis just gave the NFL and the city of Los Angeles the opening they need to justify moving the Rams back to LA where they belong.

  28. mybrunoblog says: Jun 1, 2012 11:50 AM

    I hope when the rams go back to LA they return to those awesome blue and gold uniforms.

  29. crisper57 says: Jun 1, 2012 11:54 AM

    Good.

    As a fan of a different NFC West team, I am counting down the days until the Cardinals no longer has to travel halfway across the country for a division game in the crappiest stadium in the NFL.

  30. rajbais says: Jun 1, 2012 12:06 PM

    L.A. L.A. L.A. L.A.!!!!!

  31. purpleman527 says: Jun 1, 2012 12:12 PM

    As a die-hard Vikings fan, I cherish this opportunity to point out two things.

    1. LA Rams here we come !!!!!!!!!!!

    2. No public money for MILLIONAIRES AND BILLIONAIRES !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Bwhahahahahahahahahhahahahahah !!!!!!!!!

  32. realitypolice says: Jun 1, 2012 12:20 PM

    medtxpack says:
    Jun 1, 2012 10:29 AM
    Hi! Im St Louis and im not interested in bringing positive change to my city….ever!
    Population is declining and has been, crime is up, St Louis better get its act together or the Rams are gone.
    ==========

    Maybe they feel that 700 million dollars can be better spent elsewhere instead of using it to appease an 8 weekend a year tenant.

  33. jimmysee says: Jun 1, 2012 12:21 PM

    Sell naming rights to local hero Chuck Berry.

    Berry Park.

    Financing complete!

  34. GG Eden says: Jun 1, 2012 12:25 PM

    I think one team in LA suffices, at least for a long while, pending Jacksonville.

    Team in Oakland
    Team in Santa Clara
    Team in LA
    Team in San Diego

    That’s surely the best situation for California, two Norcal teams and two Socal teams. Taking the Raiders out of Oakland would skew the Californian balance, ostracizing the passionate Norcal football fans.

  35. realitypolice says: Jun 1, 2012 12:28 PM

    To everyone who gets tired of people bringing up LA every time something like this happens:

    The “NFL to LA” thing is not a joke. AEG is going to build a stadium down town- it’s already funded, preliminarily approved, the environmental impact report is done, and they’ve already sold the naming rights.

    AEG is a very, very, smart company. The have completely revitalized downtown LA and have turned the Staples Center into the most profitable sports venue IN THE WORLD.

    They have already spent 10′s of millions of dollars on this. They would not have done that if a) they didn’t think they could build it, and b) they haven’t been promised a team.

    So SOMEONE is going there. The next question is: Is Stan Kroenke a stupid business man? The value of his team, his game day revenue, and his national exposure all increase exponentially the day a move to LA is announced.

    Not saying they are going, but if you think he is going to play that card as hard as he can, you’re the one that’s crazy, not the people saying he could move the team.

  36. thermalito says: Jun 1, 2012 12:45 PM

    Bring the Rams back to LA where they belong!

  37. AlohaMrHand says: Jun 1, 2012 12:46 PM

    The San Antonio Rams.They can play at alamodome a couple seasons until an NFL viable stadium is built.And Ozzy Osbourne can serve as the honorary coin flipper.

  38. riverhorsey says: Jun 1, 2012 12:52 PM

    Rams to Arizona and Cardinals back to St. Louie where they belong. Problem solved.

  39. thermalito says: Jun 1, 2012 12:53 PM

    The Rams are moving back to LA its a done deal. What possible reason could Kroenke have for remaining in St. Louis? The team is ranked 30th in revenue, 31st in attendance and the City is broke. Moving the Rams back to LA where they belong could more than double the value of the franchise and increase revenues by more than $100 million annually according to Forbes. There is simply no advantage to keeping the team in St. Louis. Look for a settlement agreement which buys out the last few years of the lease until 2015 and the Rams back in LA next season.

  40. mikebrownbears30 says: Jun 1, 2012 1:02 PM

    sj39 got it right. AEG’s desire to own a team will kill this project in the end, unless it becomes a buyers market. St. Louis, you will keep your Rams.

  41. docboss says: Jun 1, 2012 1:05 PM

    Of course Kroenke and Anschutz are both smart businessmen. That is why they will not make a deal to move the Rams. 1. Anschutz will never see a return on investment on a stadium unless he owns a team. He will just expand the convention center without a football facility if he cannot get a team on the “cheap”. Convention centers make money. Football stadiums do not. There is no ROI on a stadium with the kind of deal an NFL owner like Kroenke would demand such as low rent, plus concessions, parking, club seat and box revenues. 2. Kroenke’s not selling without a fabulous offer that Anschutz will not make.See http://www.fieldofschemes. I think sj39 is right on. There is a big chunk of redevelopment land just south of STL (Fenton) that would be perfect.

  42. kivory2 says: Jun 1, 2012 1:25 PM

    And once again, the JAGS are not moving!!!!!!!

  43. thermalito says: Jun 1, 2012 1:26 PM

    @mikebrownbears30: You are aware Kroenke and AEG currently co-own three other sports franchises together right? AEG has agreed to a minority ownership which Kroenke would do in a heartbeat. The Rams could be a $2 billion dollar franchise playing in a new stadium in LA.
    St. Louis doesn’t have a prayer at keeping the Rams.

  44. thermalito says: Jun 1, 2012 1:30 PM

    @docboss: Fenton??? LMAO. The Rams are currently ranked 30th in revenue playing in the horrid St. Louis football market. There is no way they are staying in that area period.
    A team playing in a new stadium in Los Angeles would be worth nearly $2 billion for starters and see more than $100 million in new revenue. If your big hope is that long time friends and business partners AEG and Stan Kroenke won’t be able to work out a deal you’re in for a big disappointment.

  45. hedleykow says: Jun 1, 2012 1:37 PM

    Corporations screw over tax payers same as the mob shakes down store owners for protection money. The icing on the cake is that taxpayers also pick up the bill for the 100 trillion dollar military that protects their US based operations. So as they shake us down, we pay for their private security force that gives them the power to do so. That’s a pretty nice setup.

  46. thermalito says: Jun 1, 2012 1:38 PM

    so tell me docboss, who is going to pay for a new stadium in this “perfect” spot nobody has ever heard of called Fenton? LOL. Do you seriously think Kroenke would rather have his team play in a rural Missouri highway rest stop than the nation’s second largest media market?

  47. greatminnesotasportsmind says: Jun 1, 2012 1:45 PM

    Actually I think Drew Brees needs an explanation

  48. yo28adrian says: Jun 1, 2012 1:50 PM

    suhnum1fan says:
    Jun 1, 2012 10:38 AM
    Good for St. Louis..Time for these cities to stop allowing crappy teams to hold them hostage

    You mean like the Lions did?

  49. granadafan says: Jun 1, 2012 1:52 PM

    There has to be a method behind the madness of the Rams. They are holding the poor city of St Louis hostage with an outrageous demand to renovate an already very nice stadium that’s less than 20 years old to the tune of almost 3/4 of a BILLION dollars in a terrible recession.

    Either the billionaire owners of the Rams in a league worth over a hundred billion dollars really are that pathetically greedy or they really want to move. I suspect it’s both.

  50. dublindemonszfl says: Jun 1, 2012 1:55 PM

    sj39 says:
    Jun 1, 2012 10:41 AM

    *****************************************
    Nicely said, When will LA understand that the rest of the country has no respect for them.

  51. schmitty2 says: Jun 1, 2012 1:58 PM

    realitypolice says:Jun 1, 2012 12:20 PM

    medtxpack says:
    Jun 1, 2012 10:29 AM
    Hi! Im St Louis and im not interested in bringing positive change to my city….ever!
    Population is declining and has been, crime is up, St Louis better get its act together or the Rams are gone.
    ==========

    Maybe they feel that 700 million dollars can be better spent elsewhere instead of using it to appease an 8 weekend a year tenant.

    8 weekends a year—-WRONG!!! First of all add 2 pre season games not to mention Final Fours, Motocross, rodeos etc

  52. hedleykow says: Jun 1, 2012 2:00 PM

    I especially like the dirt colored stain in the foreground of the architectural rendering. I suppose it is hard to conceptualize anything related to St. Louis without giving proper treatment to a gigantic skid-mark.

  53. NoHomeTeam says: Jun 1, 2012 2:04 PM

    spartan822 says: I hope they can get something worked out. I don’t want to see the Rams go back to LA. Let them have the Chargers instead.

    No thanks, we don’t really want ‘em up here.
    When we want to see the Chargers play, we just drive down for a nice weekend in San Diego.

  54. NoHomeTeam says: Jun 1, 2012 2:07 PM

    ihnen0840 says: “Coming from a Vikings fan, I feel for the Rams fans…”

    Which ones? The ones who are going to get shafted on this now, or the ones who got shafted 18 years ago?

  55. kansacity88 says: Jun 1, 2012 2:22 PM

    realitypolice says:Jun 1, 2012 12:20 PM

    medtxpack says:
    Jun 1, 2012 10:29 AM
    Hi! Im St Louis and im not interested in bringing positive change to my city….ever!
    Population is declining and has been, crime is up, St Louis better get its act together or the Rams are gone.
    ==========

    Maybe they feel that 700 million dollars can be better spent elsewhere instead of using it to appease an 8 weekend a year tenant.

    8 weekends a year—-WRONG!!! First of all add 2 pre season games not to mention Final Fours, Motocross, rodeos etc
    ==============

    *gasp*

    B-b-but what about the monster trucks???

  56. clawledge says: Jun 1, 2012 3:06 PM

    If St. Louis loses yet another football team, would they ever get another team? Unless… St. Louis Jaguars?

  57. Robert says: Jun 1, 2012 3:13 PM

    The search for a NFL team in Los Angeles is over.

    Welcome Home Los Angeles Rams!!!!

    Anaheim Stadium days were great. Farmers Field days are even better!!!

    Chargers: Nixed

    Raiders: Nixed

    Rams: Accepted

  58. ndnut says: Jun 1, 2012 3:15 PM

    So LA is a better football market than StL?

  59. jmak79 says: Jun 1, 2012 3:20 PM

    LA Rams, it’s perfect for the division, the owner, players and the fair weather fans of St Louis…stick to baseball.

  60. ezmagic says: Jun 1, 2012 3:21 PM

    Why would the NFL give LA another team??!! It’s baffling.. It’s failed twice already. Give someone else a chance for an nfl team.

  61. pcoisma says: Jun 1, 2012 3:41 PM

    Is there a roof over the new and improved “LA” Not even a dovel of ssh-it has been swung for “LA’ HINT YOU ARE A TOOL BEING USED…

  62. ramsinmissouri says: Jun 1, 2012 3:57 PM

    NOBODY in St. Louis, including the Rams, expected the CVC to agree to the Rams counteroffer! The CVC started low and their president admitted they did not expect it to be agreed to. Rams, of course, started high with everything AND the kitchen sink. It was rejected, of course. Now the negotiations begin.

    As for revenue, two things: one, the revenue during the GSOT was great! At one time sales records were set and top in the NFL in 2003 or so. Two, gross revenue or value does not equate to net income/profit. The Rams have an exceptional lease and almost everything is profit! You could move to L.A. and perhaps see higher gross profit (most likely) but that in no way guarantees higher net income/profit. The Rams have just completed THE WORST FIVE YEAR WINNING % IN NFL HISTORY.

    The process has just begun and things will get done here.

  63. ramsinmissouri says: Jun 1, 2012 3:58 PM

    As for population, the metro is 18th in the nation and bigger than 13 other NFL markets and, I might add, grew again via the official census from 2000 to 2010. Some people need to get their facts straight.

  64. laeaglefan says: Jun 1, 2012 4:15 PM

    It would make total sense for the Rams to move back to LA. They should never have left in the first place.
    I live in LA and was never for the Rams when they were here, and I won’t be for them if they return, but I do think that they belong here more than in St. Louis or anywhere else.

  65. corvusrex96 says: Jun 1, 2012 4:46 PM

    If you return the Rams to where they came from they would be called the Cleveland Rams.

    The owner forced a move to L.A. ….sounds familiar

  66. SparkyGump says: Jun 1, 2012 4:50 PM

    Ok so we don’t want to raise taxes one dime to improve schools, repair roads & bridges or cut debt but cities and states are supposed to raise taxes and go even deeper in debt to improve a stadium for a privately owned team. That just doesn’t make sense. If the Rams want to improve their house, let them pay for it. If I want to put a new roof on my house do you think the city’s going to pay for it? I don’t think so.

  67. jomochiefsfan84 says: Jun 1, 2012 6:23 PM

    There’s no room for 2 teams in Missouri because everybody knows that Missouri is home of the CHIEFS!!! Goodbye STL looks like your going back where you came from!

  68. brianbosworthisstonecold says: Jun 1, 2012 9:02 PM

    L.a. Rams. Sgt. Rick Hunter can be head of security.

  69. ramsinmissouri says: Jun 1, 2012 9:05 PM

    Who cares about the Chiefs. When was your last Super Bowl? I know I heckuva lot of people who could care less about the Chiefs and their overrated fans. Under Demoff the Rams have finally started to market to the entire state and preseason will be reaching into 8 states this year, one of the largest networks in the NFL. Of course the Chiefs have more fans overall in the state as they have been here much longer. East of Columbia and Springfield MO the shift to pro Rams is very noticeable. West of Columbia, Rolla and Springfield is more Chiefs territory.

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