That would STILL be a felony crime, I believe.

meccaho says: Jun 2, 2012 3:32 PM

Talk about misdirection. Goodell claimed that Vilma was dirty and trying to injure players, everyone on the Saints has denied it. What they have admitted to is a pay for performance system.

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That is still illegal. Any money that is given for performance outside of their contract is illegal pay and is circumventing the cap system.

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Just curious:

A) Does the amount of money that exchanged hands push the Saints above the salary cap for 2009?

B) If the money received did not come directly from the Saints’ organization, how is this covered by salary cap rules?

C) If the pool is funded by player monies (fines and such for mental errors), and players are getting paid out from this pool, is this not a zero-sum game?

D) Finally, despite the high value of the pools, do we know if there was anything left at the end of the season?

I know right. No way Goodell has any incriminating evidence. He just made it up like a fairy tail and that is how he got that high profile job too. No way he worked hard …that doesn’t compute to your agenda.

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Goodell created this himself. He needs to find something called “consistency.” You know, that thing NFL players have to have if they want to keep their job?

Talk about misdirection. Goodell claimed that Vilma was dirty and trying to injure players, everyone on the Saints has denied it. What they have admitted to is a pay for performance system.

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That is still illegal. Any money that is given for performance outside of their contract is illegal pay and is circumventing the cap system.

Here is what we know are facts and what we are guilty of:

1. We had a pay for performance program that paid for big plays. 2. Gregg Williams has a foul mouth.

Here is what we are being punished for: 1. We had a pay for performance program that paid for big plays. 2. Gregg Williams has a foul mouth 3. An anonymous source said we placed 10,000 to injure Kurt Warner (heresay and no proof has been provided) 4. An Anonymous source said we placed 10,000 to injure Brett Favre (heresay and no proof has been provided) 5. A prisoner placed a bounty on Cam Newton. (A joke left in the post script) 6. A prisoner placed a bounty on Aaron Rodgers. (A joke left in the post script) 7. We lied to Goodell and attempted to cover it up. (I dont even think we really lied to him. I think what happened is Goodell really believed those emails from Ornstein were a legit bounty being placed on opponents. Goodell questioned Payton about those emails, and Payton told the truth, they were a joke or he didnt even see them. Goodell didnt believe Payton and thats why he thinks we lied to him. Goodell was wrong.)

I might be missing a few things still, but for the most part i made my point.

So now what we are dealing with is an arrogant Commissioner who is too proud to admit he was wrong. It is too late for him to turn back now and admit he was wrong. We are guilty of some things, but not most of it. We are however being punished for ALL of it. If Goodell ever wanted to gain respect back from Saints fans, the only thing he could do to make us feel like it was a fair punishment is to cut every single punishment he made in half. Even then it would still be too harsh, but at least it shows that he is willing to admit to his mistake and would gain some respect back from us.

I would be happy if he reduced the punishments to this:

Payton 8 games Loomis 4 games Vitt 3 games Vilma 4 games Smith 2 games Fujita 2 games Hargrove 4 games Give us back our 2nd rounder next year

I know this wont happen, and i also still believe that even those penalties would still be too harsh. But it is the only way Goodell could gain any respect back from Saints fans while at the same time still make his statement that bounty programs are unacceptable. _

Ladies and gentlemen, we have the pot of all pots calling an egg black.

“To our fans, the NFL and the rest of our league, we offer our sincere APOLOGY and take FULL RESPONSIBILITY for these SERIOUS VIOLATIONS…There is no place for BOUNTIES in our league and we reiterate our pledge that THIS WILL NEVER HAPPEN AGAIN.”

No denial or qualification. The Saints apologized for running a bounty program and pledged it would never happen again.

nineroutsider says:
“Oh, I’m sorry…poor bitter Skins fan…was big mean Goodell (and the rest of the owners) too harsh on your cheating team too?”

Another internet retard. What rules did the Skins break? Oh right, only nonexistant ones, unlike Carmen Policy in 1997. Me thinks the 9ers might be in order for an * considering they had a super bowl team with secret contracts….
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Thank you, taintedlombardis. I love it when sanctimonious 49er fans with their rich history of a convicted felon for an owner decide to lecture the rest of us on sports integrity.

What all the fans don’t realize is YOu are not entitled to see the evidence. This isn’t show and tell. You already know its true anyway. Williams ADMITTED IT!!!!!! what part of that don’t you understand?
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Read Greg Williams statement, genius – for the 5,000th time no one has admitted to a pay for injury program, which is the reason the players and coaches have been suspended. What part of that don’t YOU understand.

As for who is entitled to see the evidence, no one is saying that fans are entitled. But the players and their lawyers and union sure as hell are, before players are denied millions in salary on a commissioner’s whim. Last time I look this was not Cuba.

Please get a clue, “catquick.”

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Are you inebriated?

Besides Vilma making this ridiculous defamation lawsuit which won’t holdup.

Everyone on here thinks that Goodell has to abide by due process. Guess what folks, it’s a private fricken business. There only due process is Goodell saying — no more of this type of behavior, I have enough innuendo to punish the whole lot of you.

The legal thing Goodell really has to contend with is all the ex-players and their concussion lawsuits. If he were to do nothing, this could get a whole lot worse.

Someone said that Goodell will not weather this storm, well as much as I can’t stand to think it — the NFL is likely to start going through some bad storms it might not be able to withstand.

Another internet retard. What rules did the Skins break? Oh right, only nonexistant ones, unlike Carmen Policy in 1997. Me thinks the 9ers might be in order for an * considering they had a super bowl team with secret contracts….

The Saints restructured almost every big money contract this season. They’re up against the salary cap and are trying to sign Drew Brees. Will Smith and Jabari Greer also restructured. It worked out nicely for Vilma but it also benefited the Saints. There’s nothing here.

What you might have asked is why they didn’t release him outright. That’s the mystery to me.

OK this makes 100% sense, but what percentage of the time do the innocent like the judge that wrongfully convicts them?

Payton and Loomis issued a joint statement on March 6 taking full responsibility for the problems in New Orleans.

“We acknowledge that the violations disclosed by the NFL during their investigation of our club happened under our watch,” they said in a statement. “These are serious violations and we understand the negative impact it has had on our game. Both of us have made it clear within our organization that this will never happen again, and make that same promise to the NFL and most importantly to all of our fans.”

Let’s not pretend it didn’t happen. Let’s not pretend Vilma is innocent. This is a big stink over a closed issue where SOME PEOPLE won’t man up and accept their punishment.