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You mean, just like the NFL abrogated their right to punish players for all actions prior to the signing of the new CBA in 2011? But they did it anyway.

Perhaps pointing out this hypocricy is exactly the point of the NFLPA’s suit and it just bounced right off of your thick skull?
If the NFL can punish the players, then the NFLPA can sue for collusion. Does that not stand to reason?

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No it doesn’t stand to reason because it’s specifically covered in the CBA that the NFLPA cannot sue on anything prior to August 2011. According to numerous attorney’s commenting on this case, the article in the CBA refers only to the NFLPA being restricted from action going back before Aug 2011 and not the NFL. They said they couldn’t find anything that specifically mentions any restrictions for the NFL.

Now Das may see it differently, but he must rule according to what is written in the CBA. Just because one side is restricted doesn’t automatically mean the other side is as well.

Again, another totally lost soul regarding this issue. The players abrogated their right to assert collusion prior to 2011 by signing the new CBA.

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You mean, just like the NFL abrogated their right to punish players for all actions prior to the signing of the new CBA in 2011? But they did it anyway.

Perhaps pointing out this hypocricy is exactly the point of the NFLPA’s suit and it just bounced right off of your thick skull?
If the NFL can punish the players, then the NFLPA can sue for collusion. Does that not stand to reason?

The implications are simply that Goodell is the proper forum for issuing the punishments, and probably for hearing the appeals. They are probably screwed on this front as Goodell will likely say,”Hmm, I’ve just reviewed all of the one-sided pseudo evidence I gathered or fabricated and…you guys are guilty as sin! Appeal denied.”

Of course, there’s still the outstanding grievance that Goodell signed away his right to even make these punishments because of the CBA and the fact that all strong allegations point to the year 2009.

I don’t see the punishments to Fujita or Hargrove standing because of this technicality, and I would like to think that those for Will Smith and Jon Vilma should only be upheld after proving that the PFP program actually continued into 2010 and 2011, but who am I kidding? It won’t matter if it did or didn’t. Goodell will claim that it did, and that he has evidence of it (read: vague statements that can be percieved as such when it supports what you’re looking for, or testimony from a disgruntled ex-employee…definitely the most reliable source). Goodell’s word is as good as gold to so many other fans – even though he’s already proven to be willing to blatantly lie about what evidence he may actually have (Hargrove statement, Williams’ statement having been rejected and re-written by the NFL to fit whatever their agenda is, threats made to the Saints’ staff to coerce them into capitulating, word games that lead the media into drawing the wrong conclusions without technically lying themselves, etc). I just don’t understand how anyone can still trust him.

So far I haven’t heard anything from the NFL front office to indicate that the Saints did continue the PFP program into 2010 and 2011 (and don’t quote the Ornstein emails), though there may be some innuendo one can use for weak “evidence” if damning the Saints is part of your agenda.

(Please reply with statements or facts I may have forgotten, that would support this)

That name hasn’t been relevant since 1970.

Exactly, @kadeeu!
They can’t have it both ways.
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Apparently, the league can have it both ways. There’s a contractual agreement that says so that was signed by the players who were led by an idiot.

Kadeeu,
… The Dee Smith era has not gone too well for the players. How he allowed the players to lock into a 10 year deal with virtually 0 due process in a situation like Vilma’s is a little amazing to me. The fact that he signed away any rights to take the NFL to court for collusion during the uncapped year when there were signs during that year that something fishy was going on is also strange.
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If I wanted to be imprisoned for a crime that I did not commit, I’d have that p!mp, Maurice Smith represent me. He’s a stingy-brim wearin’, impeddy-dimp street idiot.

Lets see, the league doesn’t want to held accountable for their collusion prior to the new deal with the NFLPA, but they want to hold players accountable for their conduct prior to the new CBA. The NFLPA needs better lawyers.
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Again, another totally lost soul regarding this issue. The players abrogated their right to assert collusion by signing the new CBA.

Special Master. That’s what a girlfriend of mine from years ago used to call me.

Do they get a plaque or something for that? Maybe a banner to hang from the rafters?

To our fans, the NFL and the rest of our league, we offer our sincere apology and take full responsibility for these serious violations. It has always been the goal of the New Orleans Saints to create a model franchise and to impact our league in a positive manner. There is no place for bounties in our league and we reiterate our pledge that this will never happen again.

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In November 2002, a federal court appointed Burbank special master of the National Football League. In that role, he resolves certain categories of disputes between the NFL Players Association and the NFL Management Council under a consent decree and collective bargaining agreement.

If the players don’t like Burbank, maybe they should stop asking the judicial system to get involved at every opportunity. Other than Judge Doty, it hasn’t been very kind to them. It is ridiculous how they always try to get Doty, and only Doty, to hear their cases. Then again the appeals court hasn’t been kind to Judge Doty either.

Gee, when the IRS tries to determine if this is a tax issue in the future, I wonder how THAT will go for these guys. I’m guessing about as well as this did.

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Wow, so some multi-millionaires are going to have to pay 35% of a few thousand dollars (at most) plus penalties and interest after filing an amended return?

Yeah, those guys are screwed!

You hit it right on the nose. The Dee Smith era has not gone too well for the players. How he allowed the players to lock into a 10 year deal with virtually 0 due process in a situation like Vilma’s is a little amazing to me. The fact that he signed away any rights to take the NFL to court for collusion during the uncapped year when there were signs during that year that something fishy was going on is also strange.

The way the NFL handled both the collusion and Saints situation is distasteful and arrogant. But the NFLPA gave them that power. They’re like gold fish trying to swim with sharks.

Hopefully the other one DAS gets his correct as well, or at least if he doesn’t hopefully Art or Ted will make the punishments harder than Goodell so that they players will stop this crap of trying to circumvent their penalties.