treesloth16 says: Jun 4, 2012 2:52 PM

These idiots who think unions are bad for the country/NFL: Unions are there to prevent large corporations from egregiously exploiting employees. That is the nature of for-profit corporations. The shareholders (in this case, owners) want to make as much money as possible. The employees (NFL players, NFL referees) want to make money that is commensurate with their position. If players and refs don’t have unions to fight for them, the owners would just as soon charge the same amount of money for tickets, but pay the players and refs next to nothing.

And if you don’t agree with me, you obviously haven’t had your job out-sourced or in-sourced to China or India YET. Don’t be lapdogs to greedy businessmen/republicans. You can trace back all our economic woes to republican policies (including the Great Depression).
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Many jobs are being outsourced because unions have demanded artificially high wages and benefits for manual oabor that a trained chimp can do. When it becomes too costly to do business in the US, thats when they outsource.

Would you want to be forced to pay someone to cut your grass for $100 when there’s 20 people lined up to do it for only $30??? That is why employers leave the US.
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The percentage of private sector workers in union hit an all time low of 6.9% in 2011. So how the hell are you going to blame unions for jobs getting outsourced. Maybe….just maybe greedy corporations think it’s cheaper to pay someone in China $1 an hour to put together shoes, computers, or cars than the living wage they would have to pay here in the US.

This is a global world filled with cheap labor and business is always trying to save a buck. Back in the 50s and 60s when unions were waaaaay stronger and more prevalant than today there were plenty of jobs to go around so to lay the blame on Unions today is simple minded at best. But you go on and keep believing that nonsense.

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Yea, those Refs don’t fly anywhere at all.

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Here we go, let’s get political and blame republicans for this farce. Shame on those businessmen for wanting to make money, darn you corporate America. We’re all trying to get as much as we can without doing any work and you’re messing it up!

The refs have a right to a union. They have a right to demand better wages and conditions. Just as the NFL has the right to send them packing.

Players unions remain strong because the players are irreplaceable. Refs are not irreplaceable, and therefore I say go ahead and replace them with someone that will do the same job for the right price. Big time SEC / PAC 12 / Big 10 refs would do just fine in the job.

Don’t talk to me about republicans and the great depression (seriously, on a football website you bring that up?). This is an issue with some well paid refs wanting to be better paid. If the NFL goes for that then great, if not I hope the refs are prepared to be former NFL refs. Unions serve a purpose, but don’t tell me about working conditions with this one. Flying around the country and getting paid well to work weekends isn’t a bad gig and the autoworker/firefighter/policeman/etc unions will laugh at the plight of an NFL referee.

These idiots who think unions are bad for the country/NFL: Unions are there to prevent large corporations from egregiously exploiting employees. That is the nature of for-profit corporations. The shareholders (in this case, owners) want to make as much money as possible. The employees (NFL players, NFL referees) want to make money that is commensurate with their position. If players and refs don’t have unions to fight for them, the owners would just as soon charge the same amount of money for tickets, but pay the players and refs next to nothing.

And if you don’t agree with me, you obviously haven’t had your job out-sourced or in-sourced to China or India YET. Don’t be lapdogs to greedy businessmen/republicans. You can trace back all our economic woes to republican policies (including the Great Depression).
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Many jobs are being outsourced because unions have demanded artificially high wages and benefits for manual oabor that a trained chimp can do. When it becomes too costly to do business in the US, thats when they outsource.

Would you want to be forced to pay someone to cut your grass for $100 when there’s 20 people lined up to do it for only $30??? That is why employers leave the US.
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Actually they left the US because they could save 25 cents on producing a tape measure in China. I bet you feel that child labor laws are archaic and should be abolished Mr. Mugatu?

“You know NFL refs don’t even make enough to make refereeing their full-time job? Many, if not all of them, have to work in the offseason. ”

Floppy, the referees work sixteen days a year. Sixteen days. They should all have real jobs.

I want them to get paid, and get travel money, and a good prescription eyecare plan with the benefit package, but full professional salary for sixteen days work a year? Too much…

And if you don’t agree with me, you obviously haven’t had your job out-sourced or in-sourced to China or India YET. Don’t be lapdogs to greedy businessmen/republicans. You can trace back all our economic woes to republican policies (including the Great Depression).
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Unions and their members are overcharging our cities and states to the brink of collapse. Teachers retire with full benefits after minimal service. But it’s the corporations that are the bad guys.
Where do you think the money comes from? Here’s a hint, it doesn’t grow on trees. In a perfect world everyone would live like the Greek people, early retirement, no taxes, government pays for everything…right up until it goes broke. Get a clue.

These idiots who think unions are bad for the country/NFL: Unions are there to prevent large corporations from egregiously exploiting employees. That is the nature of for-profit corporations. The shareholders (in this case, owners) want to make as much money as possible. The employees (NFL players, NFL referees) want to make money that is commensurate with their position. If players and refs don’t have unions to fight for them, the owners would just as soon charge the same amount of money for tickets, but pay the players and refs next to nothing.

And if you don’t agree with me, you obviously haven’t had your job out-sourced or in-sourced to China or India YET. Don’t be lapdogs to greedy businessmen/republicans. You can trace back all our economic woes to republican policies (including the Great Depression).
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Many jobs are being outsourced because unions have demanded artificially high wages and benefits for manual oabor that a trained chimp can do. When it becomes too costly to do business in the US, thats when they outsource.

Would you want to be forced to pay someone to cut your grass for $100 when there’s 20 people lined up to do it for only $30??? That is why employers leave the US.

And if you don’t agree with me, you obviously haven’t had your job out-sourced or in-sourced to China or India YET. Don’t be lapdogs to greedy businessmen/republicans. You can trace back all our economic woes to republican policies (including the Great Depression).

His job has become yet more complicated…
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Maybe he’s made his own job more complicated by being such an a-hole who can’t deal fairly with ANYBODY!

You must be kidding me. NFL refs are not full-time professionals – they only work during the season and often have vastly different jobs in the off-season. They are part-time amateurs in a league of full-time pros and are significantly easier to replace.

And on that note, I’d like to see the league keep pushing for the ‘professionalization’ of the refs by making it a full-time profession and not just a hobby. Let’s not forget that in the early days of the league even star players had a job in the offseason. That time has long past and the only amateur holdovers from that era are the refs. Professionalizing their ranks benefits all parties and it’s long over due.

Yeah, now they’ll have to keep BOTH eyes open during the game.

Sorry refs, you can only truly negotiate when you actually have bargaing power. In this case you have virtually none.

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Hard to take you seriously when you can’t even spell bargain!

But before Roger actually thinks about putting these guys in real games he may want to go across the street and have a chat with David Stern. The NBA tried to actually use “replacement refs” in 2009 because they thought the refs had no “bargaining power”. History will show that after a month of the worst games anyone could remember and fans, coaches, and players demanding first class officiating the league made a deal.

Yeah, boo these refs and unions! God forbid they actually want to get paid decently and have good working conditions! Just ruining the machine of corporate America!

You know NFL refs don’t even make enough to make refereeing their full-time job? Many, if not all of them, have to work in the offseason …
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Yeah, poor souls have to go back from a Sunday part-time gig to a dreary humdrum job as an attorney, doctor or judge. Get a clue. If it was a bad job they wouldn’t be standing in line to get in like they are now.