Gap between Saints, Brees smaller than reported

AP

As the Saints and quarterback Drew Brees continue to engage in a stare-down that may or may not result in a multi-year deal by the franchise-tag deadline of July 16, there’s reason for hope that the gap between the two sides will be closed.

The hope comes from the fact that the gap is far smaller than previously reported.

Widespread reports over the past several months have pegged the Saints’ offer at $18 million per year, with Brees’ demands north of $21 million.  Some accounts have put Brees’ expectations at $23 million annually.

Per a source with knowledge of the situation, that’s not the case.  Brees, we’re told, has never asked for $21 million.  And the Saints are believed to be offering more than $18 million, possibly closer to $19 million than $18 million.

Last month, Brees hinted that the demands attributed to him have been overstated.  “I would say that the numbers that have been thrown around by ESPN and some of these other places, at times, have been pretty heavily inflated,” Brees said, expressing frustration at a perceived lack of urgency on the part of the Saints.

So if the gap is closer than reported, why hasn’t the deal gotten done?  It could be that the Saints are pushing the bigger numbers, in the hopes of creating the impression that, once they move toward Brees’ real bottom line, it will be perceived that the final number is much closer to what the Saints had offered than to what Brees had wanted, which in turn will result in a belief that the Saints “won” the tug-o-war.

Even if that’s the strategy, it makes no sense for the Saints to sacrifice Brees’ involvement in the offseason program during an offseason of so much upheaval and uncertainty.  While Brees may not need the extra work in order to pick up where he left off in 2011, the Saints need Brees.

Apparently, the Saints don’t believe they need him enough to close the gap now.

54 responses to “Gap between Saints, Brees smaller than reported

  1. They need to do whatever they can to get him signed. If the Saints have any sort of success this season, it will be because of Brees.

  2. This whole situation is nonsense. Brees is obviously going to sign a new deal…it’s not a matter of if, but when. And that talk of him sitting out for a season or whatever is hogwash. He’ll be starting week 1 and will be looking to to punish the other team immediately (no pun intended).

  3. We’ve been hearing the back and fourth between Brees and the Saints* for months now. I don’t think any of these “sources” really have any clue where the negotiations are at presently.

  4. Maybe the Saints are not that worried about the offense since they are returning 10 of 11 starters (really about 14 of 15 starters) and want the Brees signing to be a goodwill / motivational push going into the season.

    I would say maybe waiting for all the Bounty talk to be gone, but it don’t look like that will go away unless Goodell releases evidence, and I don’t think any of us sees that happening.

    Don’t get me wrong I don’t think the Saints would turn down a decent extension, but I also don’t think they are quite ready to cave just yet.

  5. OK. That settles it then. All they have to do is thoroughly explain this to Brees and we’re all set.

  6. Guaranteed money being frontloaded into the contract is the main holdup, according to sources.

  7. Benson and Loomis are scrubs for not taking care of Brees. He is the face of the franchise and lead the team to a much needed/deserved SB victory.

    The franchise is relevant because of Brees. Benson has pocketed tons of $$$ on the back of Brees. Make no mistake, one man can not win alone- Brees has some very good players on both sides of the ball to help him, but Brees is THE Alpha dog in a room full of a-dogs.

    He has earned it.

    Pay the man.

  8. I think they are waiting to find out more about Vilma.

    If Vilma ends up playing some games in 2012 it will make the Saints go over the cap limit.

  9. Seriously Drew, WTF are you going to do with $19 or $20 mil/ yr that you couldn’t do with $18 million??

    Sign the stupid day. These guys greed makes me sick… I never thought Id see the day where someone has been offered $18M / yr to throw a football around to some dudes, and they are “insulted” by the offer. These guys greed makes me sick…

  10. If Drew Brees don’t ask for $21 million then it must be his agent sometimes Drew Brees must standup to his agent and let him know that he was not asking for $21 million. No $21 million is no money for Tom Benson and Drew Brees knows that, but a man must be able to speak to his agent if this not what he had planned. So if they are short of $2 million so the Saints are offering Drew Brees round about $19 million then his agent want $21 million this not good for Brees because his agent calling the shots. So who should be blamed for Drew Brees sitting out this season Brees and his agent. We want to talk about what Tom Benson and Mickey Loomis need to do sign Brees up what we fail to look at Sean Payton, Mickey Loomis, and Tom Benson bought Brees in when he were broke down no other team wanted him. But the New Orleans Saints organization took him in put $60 million in his pocket injury and all Sean Payton made him what he is today. Drew Brees need to do better if he says he love his teammates show love for your team and your hometown but Tom Benson & Mickey Loomis gave they word that Drew Brees will be in BLACK N GOLD but they don’t say when but it will be before July 16, if Brees agent don’t get under they skin. Because Chase Daniel can be trained the same way Drew Brees were trained buy Sean Payton.

  11. 18,19 c’mon you act like you don’t have money. Did you win the superbowl last year????? NO so sign the freagin contract already. Some people don’t get it these days

  12. Drew Brees will get his payday. He should be the highest paid qb ever when its all said and done. The saints would not be a yearly super bowl contender without him.

    And this is coming from a Panther fan. Much respect to Brees.

  13. You mean like 2 or 3 million dollars means nothing in the negotiations. I wonder why I get the feeling that the NFL is losing its grip on the available American dollar spent on recreation.

  14. The only people who doubt a deal will get done are hopeful NFC rivals. 🙂

    Unfortunately for you, Drew will be back in the black&gold ripping apart your defenses again in ’12.

  15. Just get the contract signed, gosh! This off season for real NFL fans have been exhausting! Wow!!! Never ever in the history of this league, besides last offseason, have been so messy like this one. Come on August!!!!!

  16. I have a feeling that Drew will be holding the Superbowl Trophy in the Superdome at the end of this season. But, I don’t think Goodell will be there to hand it to him. Wouldn’t it be weird if the Saints played the Broncos and Brees beat Peyton Manning again?

  17. I am getting tired of anything Saints related. Brees needs the Saints and they need him. Get a deal done and get it over with-we all know he is going to make more in one year than most of us will make in our lifetimes.

  18. Brees is the face of that Franchise and if the Saints don’t realize it, then let him go, see how well you fair.

  19. Since this is an NFL contract I believe there’s more to it than merely a difference of yearly salary average. How much gaurantees does Breed want and how much is the team offering? Is the contract backloaded or frontloaded? How will the bonuses be structured? How many years are both parties demanding the contract cover? As a side note it still amazes me that the Saints let this contract situation with their all pro QB who finished 2nd in MVP voting, was integral in bringing the team its first Super bowl, and statistically had one of the best season ever for a QB deterioate to

  20. Hope this classless piece of garbage signs soon. I can’t wait till the Eagles go to the filthiest city in the U.S. and Trent Cole and Jason Babin end Drew’s career by inflicting an injury on him.

    Eagles = Super Bowl 47 Champions….. Bet on it BEYOTCH

  21. It’s getting pretty old how every time a player who is arguably top 5 or 10 at his position is due for a contract, that player feels as though their next contract must set the new standard for players at the top of their position.

    Brees should be happy that the Saints are willing to pay him what Brady makes.

    Not everybody gets to be the best or highest paid at what they do. That’s just life.

  22. bathroombenlovemachine says: Jun 6, 2012 7:03 AM

    Hope this classless piece of garbage signs soon. I can’t wait till the Eagles go to the filthiest city in the U.S. and Trent Cole and Jason Babin end Drew’s career by inflicting an injury on him.

    Eagles = Super Bowl 47 Champions….. Bet on it BEYOTCH

    And you call Brees a classless piece of garbage. You sound like a true Philadelphian. What a jerk!

  23. Not a Saints fan but I wouldn’t pay Brees huge money because he’s anything but money out of the dome.

  24. I think what has gotten lost in memory is that this is still the same owner that wanted to sneak out of NO in the middle of the night after Katrina. Benson was a hated man a few years ago and for good reason. So I wouldn’t so quickly jump to support the team and demonize the player. The devil is always in the details when it comes to player contracts as Florio has proven time and time again. This may be a situation where Brees wants a long term commitment and the Saints are willing to do year to year leases disguised as a long term deal.

  25. Everyone is worried about Drew Brees signing his contract right now. I’m here to tell you, it won’t happen at this point in time. And to be honest with you, I think the deal is done already. Let’s just think about this for a second. Who right now in the Saints organization is the only person that can have any conversations with Sean Payton? Drew Brees! He is not under contract, so he and Payton can get together about plans for the upcoming season. Why would he sign his contract if he is the only person that can relate things that the caoch would want to get done to the other coaches and players? The Saints know what they are doing. It’s just no one else is looking at it from this prosective. Brees and Payton are probably sitting down right now over coffee talking about things they would like to establish in training camp! So until that point in time, Brees will stay unsigned. Besides, it’s good for Chase Daniels to get those reps in. Brees has mastered the offense. He can establish a repore with the new comers in training camp.

  26. “Seriously Drew, WTF are you going to do with $19 or $20 mil/ yr that you couldn’t do with $18 million??”

    That’s not the point. Its not the money, but ego and bragging rights with these professional athletes. They’re not thinking like you or I would. Its all about being “top dog”, and that is defined by money in pro sports.

  27. Why doesn’t Brees just say his number instead of this entire retarded sentence?

    “I would say that the numbers that have been thrown around by ESPN and some of these other places, at times, have been pretty heavily inflated,”

  28. @EJ says: Jun 6, 2012 5:45 AM

    Brees is the face of that Franchise and if the Saints don’t realize it, then let him go, see how well you fair.
    ———————-

    I think everyone, including Loomis, realizes Brees is the face of the franchise and is the main reason for the Saints recent success. Loomis also realizes that without a solid supporting cast, Brees will continue to put up Tecmo Bowl numbers but on a 7-9 or 8-8 team as he did in 2007 and 2008 when the Saints defense was among the worst in the league.

    The deal will get done, but Loomis isn’t going to offer a contract that will cripple the team for the next 6 years.

  29. @laeaglefan says: Jun 6, 2012 9:47 AM

    The Saints 2012 season will be dubbed “Katrina 2″
    —————–

    And the Eagles 2012 season will be dubbed “Dream Team 2”

  30. Brees won’t sign the franchise tag because (according to him) of what happened when he was injured while on the tag in San Diego. What that means is that Brees doesn’t want a one year deal because if he gets hurt he’ll not be paid for FOOTBALL HE DOESN’T PLAY.

    With that mindset, it’s probably not so much about whether it’s 19 million or 21, it’s about how much of that money is guaranteed. Brees wants to know that if he’s knocked out of football for good this year that the Saints will still have to pay him year after year for football he doesn’t play. That’s where the big money is.

  31. bathroombenlovemachine says:
    Jun 6, 2012 7:03 AM
    Hope this classless piece of garbage signs soon. I can’t wait till the Eagles go to the filthiest city in the U.S. and Trent Cole and Jason Babin end Drew’s career by inflicting an injury on him.

    Eagles = Super Bowl 47 Champions….. Bet on it BEYOTCH

    ————————————————-
    LOL – you can tell the ignorance of some people. I am born and raised in New Orleans and my wife in Philly. We don’t live in either place not but we went to New Orleans shortly after Katrina to check on some family and then a few months later to Philly to check on her family. The funny thing is that my kids were able to see the devastation by Katrina and then a few months later driving through Philly my then 6 year old asked in a very curious and innocent tone – Daddy did a Hurricane hit here also. LOL!!! So yep New Orleans is dirty in many areas, some of it exaggerated by a natural disaster but hey bathroombenlovemachine what’s the excuse in Philly? Not that you know – you’ve likely been to neither and are clearly not old enough to travel alone anyway. How do I know? Only an idiot would represent a team that has underachieved for years by saying…

    Eagles = Super Bowl 47 Champions….. Bet on it BEYOTCH

  32. Not a Saints fan but I wouldn’t pay Brees huge money because he’s anything but money out of the dome.
    ———————————
    Um…. He did win a superbowl in Miami Sherlock!

  33. Brees likely wants to be the top paid QB and after seeing what P. Manning got coming off a year he didn’t play a single snap (among other reasons) I can’t blame him for feeling that way, though I don’t agree with him. The other part of the equation is that Condon is a very tough agent to deal with (see what he got for P.Manning for example). Add them up & that =majority of this stalemate IMO.

  34. Before the season begins, Brees will have his money & a long term deal, Vilma will have won his lawsuit & be back on the field, Goodell will no longer be the head of the NFL, and all the talk will be old news.

  35. Wrong!!! It’s all about being in the news… Maintaining that relevance in the media…keeps u logged on, staying tuned in, keeps u interested which makes——->$$$$. The deal is already done, and signed just not sealed and reported. I’m just telling you…it’s good entertainment though to read the post, all of you guys are interesting and very knowledgeable. Shout out to sports fans everywhere!!!

  36. Anything but money away from the dome? I am so sick of hearing this. Over the last three seasons, including the playoffs, the Saints are 41-13. Over the last 6 seasons, Brees has been better statistically than any quarterback in history, and its not even close. Brees either owns or has threatened every major passing record. You don’t do all of this by just being good at home, so check your facts before you start repeating that nonsense. Brees deserves to be the highest paid player in the league because he is the best player in the league.

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